CountryLiftin
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mattrag said:
I read an article the other day about doin lay raises with shoulders rotates outward a to prevent damage and inflammation to the shoulders. How do you do yours ?
Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH
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I read an article the other day about doin lay raises with shoulders rotates outward a to prevent damage and inflammation to the shoulders. How do you do yours ?
Nickmort
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Dude... I know what you mean.. I have a full on weight set in my house now. I have a 3 bedroom apartment which is ready to fall apart (actually a few friend's who live in the area have had their apts condemned already...mine is in no better condition..lol)
Do you like Japanese TV? Anime? Me and my brother actually learned/solidified the language by watching and translating anime lol. Granted our "slang" ain't very polite and anime is not really looked upon as a good hobby to have as an adult but hey... it works.
May seem weird but, as far as training you might wanna do some contracting stuff. Like immovable weights/structures and pull/pull for time/force. And for legs pull some sleds (through the snow even, seeing its so cold up there), and do some sprints
btw, I'd never sprint or pull sleds through the snow... but I know that it is sound training lol, just not for me.
Yups, Im glad as I have quite a bit of experience in the department of supplements that include oral PHs, Natty Testboosters, pre workouts and the works.
Haha that's sick. Wish I could have my own weight room in my place but with two kids definitely no room. And not too down with the anime. Japanese porn i could do tho but then again i already know all the bad words. Probably gonna try Rosseta Stone when I get back to Oahu in February based on some friends recommendations and see how that goes.
As for the sleds thats not really up my alley either. Been doing incline walking as of late(trying to maintain as much muscle as possible) because I'm gonna start my katana cutting cycle in two weeks.
Might have to get some help with my PCT being this will be my first PH cycle(tried Transaderm a few months back and loved it)
mattrag
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CountryLiftin said:
Hmm. I have my thumbs inward and try to focus my shoulders to contract out to the tips of the rear delts by raising my pinky as I reach the end of the rep. I also don't go above my traps. So I don't hit a weak point in the structure of my shoulder. Like the part where it's mainly moving versus contracting (if that makes sense...)
Nickmort
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Haha nice man. Wish I could have my own weight room in my house but with two kids no room for it. As for the sled cardio that's not up my alley(currently only doing incline walking to keep as much muscle as possible) because I'm about to start my Katana cutting cycle in two weeks. I might have to hit you up for advice being that this will be my first PH I'm going to run(not really counting the transdermal I ran a few months back)
mattrag
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Nickmort said:
Hehe. I've been living the bodybuilding lifestyle for almost three years here. I will do my best to be of assistance
I am also married. No kids yet though. I can see how the weights will be a problem haha. Katana plus some full body bodyweight stuff will lean you out pretty good.
mattrag
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AaronJP1 said:
Yeps. Eat and eat. Man. I think on a cheat day I end up with something like 500g protein.
I eat my five normal meals and the 6th is anything. And usually it's something like 2 chicken breasts, 2 cups of rice, 4 eggs, and a triple serving of protein powder. Then eat some popcorn probably. Well that's the plan anyway. Unless it's a fat refeed... Then its pretty ridiculous on the amount of almonds and coconut milk I drink.
Normal days I tend to hit the same 300g protein, 150-300g cars, and 60-80g fat.
thetinyguy
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Fck yeah man, i know i'm late but i'll catch up on this!
thetinyguy
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That's what it's about, growing into pct ftw!
Srt4Muscle
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i asked a bodybuilder at the gym the other day and thats pretty much exactly what he said, try and rotate your pinky up and feel the contraction at the top of the set, when i did it correctly my sets of smaller and smaller haha
looking forward to you PCT matt, wanna see those PR's continue bro
thetinyguy
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I just tried lying laterals for rear delts and it is an EXPERIENCE, i got up to 30's or 35's and i have never had that type of isolation until now. Great pump and is a great exercise because it forces you to take your time.
LiveToLift
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I'm you tubing this right now not sure I've ever done this workout, sounds interesting.
CountryLiftin
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thetinyguy said:
I like them.
Srt4Muscle
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i do them sitting down also so you cant cheat, bet you cant do 35's sitting down and turning your pinkys up lol talk about isolation, i used to do them laying on a incline too but i find a rear delt fly machine more benificial now.
NuclearLaunch
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I don't get this exercise. Can it be found on you tube?
Srt4Muscle
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Lol foot in mouth cause I think lying is much harder for sure haha that's a hell of a lift!!!
As far as i was taught elbows should be conpletely straight and arms brought out in line with your eyes(slightly forward, not out from the shoulder) and pinkys up. Its very difficult to do such heavy weight with a straight arm, but im a liytle guy ; )
I still prefer the machine right now because I can't get a good contraction at the top of the exercise.
As far as i was taught elbows should be conpletely straight and arms brought out in line with your eyes(slightly forward, not out from the shoulder) and pinkys up. Its very difficult to do such heavy weight with a straight arm, but im a liytle guy ; )
I still prefer the machine right now because I can't get a good contraction at the top of the exercise.
Srt4Muscle
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NuclearLaunch said:
Prone incline reverse fly, thats laying down on incline
All the videos show bent elbows and coming out straight laterally, maybe I was miss informed. I will say when I did it like these videos I felt it in my back more not in the rear delt, the target area.
NuclearLaunch
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Srt4Muscle said:
Thanks man. I'll look at it.
LiveToLift
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yea its just shoulder side raises but you are laying down is all. I had to youtube it myself.
mattrag
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Hey you're a little guy, but you are damn strong and lean!
I think to keep the arm up in this position with heavy weight it's more trap/upper back activation than shoulder as it enters a very weak posture
Good advice here.
mattrag
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Okay yesterday was my last workout on AndroHardv2... Went for ONE more rep on each exercise.
Side note, took out craze as my pre workout... as much as I love it... I can't sleep on it... at all. Took maximize last night before my workout... was asleep 4 hours later...
Shoulder press
45x10
115x8
135x5
155x3
175x5
175x6 (got the rep up)
Drop set 135x8
Bent over rows
135x15
225x10
315x5
315x6
SLDL
135x10
205x5
205x6
Drop Set 135x8
Shrugs
135x10
175x10
265x10
345x5
345x6
Drop set
265x10
EZ bar curl
70x15
90x5
90x6
Tricep extention
70x10
70x10
Tricep Kick back
20x10
20x10
Front/side/bent lateral
20x11
20x11
Sumo squats
135x10
225x5
315x5
315x6
Got in all my reps and weight felt good.
Side note, took out craze as my pre workout... as much as I love it... I can't sleep on it... at all. Took maximize last night before my workout... was asleep 4 hours later...
Shoulder press
45x10
115x8
135x5
155x3
175x5
175x6 (got the rep up)
Drop set 135x8
Bent over rows
135x15
225x10
315x5
315x6
SLDL
135x10
205x5
205x6
Drop Set 135x8
Shrugs
135x10
175x10
265x10
345x5
345x6
Drop set
265x10
EZ bar curl
70x15
90x5
90x6
Tricep extention
70x10
70x10
Tricep Kick back
20x10
20x10
Front/side/bent lateral
20x11
20x11
Sumo squats
135x10
225x5
315x5
315x6
Got in all my reps and weight felt good.
mattrag
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Mdrol/AH cycle Final thoughts.
OH YES SUPERDROL IS BEAST!! (At 20mgs that is)
Okay so I figure cause this whole things is not a sponsored log and what not I would just give the low down w/o using numbers or anything... but well if I did probably everything would be 11s... haha!
After upping the dose to 20mgs I noticed EVERYTHING getting better. Cept maybe my nipple, which was looking a bit more puffy than i'd like it. No pain, or itching so I decided just to let it go... never went away, but never got worse. kept me nice and lubed while I ran the dry AndroHard with it. Was able to put on some MEAN strength and size gains.
RESULTS!!!
17lb increase in overall bodyweight. After dropping androhard I was at 97.2kgs. Up just about 8kgs (17.6lbs). Strength stalled after the drop of Mdrol but still stayed with me. Noticed that my joints started to hurt more though. Donno how SERMs are with joint pain but I am hoping for some minor bloating so I can still lift lol.
Body comp. Well I went from a cut to a bulk.. lol. Cut was horrible.... never doing that again, bulk though...well i'm up 17lbs so I guess it went well. I will be aiming to protect these gains over the next 8 weeks. Before accessing my plans. I figure I gained about 8lbs in muscle over all and maybe 5lbs in fat and perhaps around 4-5lbs in water (Hopefully less fat though.. I'm just being harsh). Pics will show. I think I will take another one tomorrow to see. Make sure PCT doesn't fail me.
Interesting notes from cycle....
I started off feeling like my Blood pressure was high... but it was actually lowered. I used TT33 to battle lethargy (Well i didn't notice it was there but when I dropped both mdrol and TT33 I got lethargy from the AH). Took some energy pills/caffeine just because i'm a stim junkie. Kept my pre workout drink in most workouts. Pumps all day.... Only sides were the shrinking nuts... lol. Joints felt better (till the last week).
OH YES SUPERDROL IS BEAST!! (At 20mgs that is)
Okay so I figure cause this whole things is not a sponsored log and what not I would just give the low down w/o using numbers or anything... but well if I did probably everything would be 11s... haha!
After upping the dose to 20mgs I noticed EVERYTHING getting better. Cept maybe my nipple, which was looking a bit more puffy than i'd like it. No pain, or itching so I decided just to let it go... never went away, but never got worse. kept me nice and lubed while I ran the dry AndroHard with it. Was able to put on some MEAN strength and size gains.
RESULTS!!!
17lb increase in overall bodyweight. After dropping androhard I was at 97.2kgs. Up just about 8kgs (17.6lbs). Strength stalled after the drop of Mdrol but still stayed with me. Noticed that my joints started to hurt more though. Donno how SERMs are with joint pain but I am hoping for some minor bloating so I can still lift lol.
Body comp. Well I went from a cut to a bulk.. lol. Cut was horrible.... never doing that again, bulk though...well i'm up 17lbs so I guess it went well. I will be aiming to protect these gains over the next 8 weeks. Before accessing my plans. I figure I gained about 8lbs in muscle over all and maybe 5lbs in fat and perhaps around 4-5lbs in water (Hopefully less fat though.. I'm just being harsh). Pics will show. I think I will take another one tomorrow to see. Make sure PCT doesn't fail me.
Interesting notes from cycle....
I started off feeling like my Blood pressure was high... but it was actually lowered. I used TT33 to battle lethargy (Well i didn't notice it was there but when I dropped both mdrol and TT33 I got lethargy from the AH). Took some energy pills/caffeine just because i'm a stim junkie. Kept my pre workout drink in most workouts. Pumps all day.... Only sides were the shrinking nuts... lol. Joints felt better (till the last week).
mattrag
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PCT Plan
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
20/20/10/10
Ostarine
20/20/20/20
TUCDA
500/500/500/500
Daa
3/3/3/3/3
VidaTest
3/3/3/3/3
Calcium D-glucarate
2 pills a day
Cabergolean
8/8/8/8/8 (5 on 2 off)
P5P (NOW brand)
2 pills a day
Hemavol
1 scoop a day with breakfast for increased glycogen uptake
Glycobol
2 caps with carb meals
That's about it? I think. I will update this post if I find out I am taking more stuff...
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
20/20/10/10
Ostarine
20/20/20/20
TUCDA
500/500/500/500
Daa
3/3/3/3/3
VidaTest
3/3/3/3/3
Calcium D-glucarate
2 pills a day
Cabergolean
8/8/8/8/8 (5 on 2 off)
P5P (NOW brand)
2 pills a day
Hemavol
1 scoop a day with breakfast for increased glycogen uptake
Glycobol
2 caps with carb meals
That's about it? I think. I will update this post if I find out I am taking more stuff...
FL3X MAGNUM
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Clomid=emotional little girlscout lol.
Glad u got everything else in line.
I bought some Cabergolean myself...does it state to do 5 on 2 off or is this just your way of using it?
Glad u got everything else in line.
I bought some Cabergolean myself...does it state to do 5 on 2 off or is this just your way of using it?
mattrag
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I believe it said that somewhere...or I read it here on a cabergolean log done by the reps of ergo. If not... I'm just gonna run it straight lol.
Clomid is really that bad eh? hmm... Well if I feel like I wanna be MWB next adopted daughter I'll see if I can get away with Torem....
LiveToLift
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Good substance here man, and good strength on those lifts! Nice work. Sad to be ending a cycle though I bet... :grumpy:
mattrag
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Im so sad I feel like a lost little girl... (OH NOES CLOMI SIDES?!?!?!)
LiveToLift
Legend
Lmao ur a trip!
RickRock13
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I've never had emotional sides from Clomid. I think it affects some people differently
Srt4Muscle
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Good log bro, I think you should keep most of that strength through post. That's a hell of a pct by the way, looks expensive haha.
FL3X MAGNUM
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Yeah clomid really makes me that way if I'm already in a bad state. Normally something that would hurt my feelings I would be like "no sweat off my back" but on clomid it would make me say "why did you say that? You're a mean person!!!" Lol.
Might not affect you, but the DAA should keep your masculinity in check.
Might not affect you, but the DAA should keep your masculinity in check.
NuclearLaunch
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Won't the DAA raise the estro also? Or is he on a blocker. I don't get how clomid does makes people emotional. I haven't used it yet, still planning my first real cycle, but isn't it higher test = less emotional?
NuclearLaunch
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Sourdough said:
I thought people used the serm (clomid in this case) to block estro and raise test to solidify gains. I know, noob questions but I'm just trying to work all this out before I start my cycle.
Sourdough
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No worries....
SERMS are actually chemically estrogens... just selectively activating the ER though... so yes all SERMS can actually make you a bit emotional from time to time, and some do better at boostin HTPA while others are better at competing for the ER and actually negating all estrogenic effects. Depending on the compounds used in the cycle one can pick and choose their SERMS but personally I ALWAYS go with Toremifene... just feels so much better, cleaner and like I rebound in days, not weeks... my nuts inflate immediately. Its also the best for your lipids and least toxic for the liver...
Everyone has their own preference though, youll have to start somewhere and just decide what you want to use, but I do suggest starting with torem of course.
SERMS are actually chemically estrogens... just selectively activating the ER though... so yes all SERMS can actually make you a bit emotional from time to time, and some do better at boostin HTPA while others are better at competing for the ER and actually negating all estrogenic effects. Depending on the compounds used in the cycle one can pick and choose their SERMS but personally I ALWAYS go with Toremifene... just feels so much better, cleaner and like I rebound in days, not weeks... my nuts inflate immediately. Its also the best for your lipids and least toxic for the liver...
Everyone has their own preference though, youll have to start somewhere and just decide what you want to use, but I do suggest starting with torem of course.
bigdavid
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lol thats why i chose nolva over clomid i didnt want to turn all emotional :X
mattrag
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Haha! Good laugh here and there keeps me sane! lol
I just remember Clomid being really rough on me, plus it was my first year away from home (living in Japan), first time experiencing snow... my god I was in hell... I actually stopped taking the clomid. But I found out it was from the ATD I stupidly stacked on.... Never taking that again.. Libido and mood were basically in the crapper all day...
Yea, PCT was kinda pricey... but then again I don't wanna destroy my poor body and then not retain anything afterwards. I'm in it for the long run
I know I feeling a cold coming on, Oddly. So I better up my fruits and veggies and get that rest in.
Really? Flex you care? awww... how about a hug now? c'm'er (or however you say it all mushy)
I donno, currently I feel horny but at the same time I feel like if someone pissed me off I'd beat them to a pulp... haha
Yea, but it will do so by stimulating the body to raise LH. SourDough explained it VERY well.
I actually do have an AI, I'm running PCT black (did I not add that into my PCT list?), oh yea and srt4muscle, I won this one here so it was free
I would have gone with torem but when I bought these the torem either wasnt' carried by the company or it was OOS.... I have torem though... enough for 2 cycles
never using Nolva again though... the liver toxicity is pretty bad...so unless I become god on nolva/clomid I don't think I'm ever buying um again.
Nolva is good, but clomid supposidly restarts the system faster. I donno really though... so little research out on steroid/serm/sarm usage... if only they'd legalize the stuff ppl would be lining up to be testers...
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
I was about to go for the hug until you mentioned you are horny...that's awkward lol
mattrag
Legend
Wow, thanks FL3X. No horny hugs I guess... I better keep this libido up... it can assist me when lifting. Interestingly, the hornier I feel usually equals a better day at the gym....
(bring on the fire...lol)
farmtireguy
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mattrag said:
Uuuuuuhhhhhhhh. Note to self don't go to gym with Matt 0.0
bigdavid
Well-known member
libido and aggression are pretty tied together for me prob for you also
mattrag
Legend
RIGHT!
And CL, don't worry, the libido if focused on the opposite sex.... And I am not desperate lol. If I ever hit the gym with one of you bro's I'd be some beast mode in the gym!
CountryLiftin
Well-known member
Matt your such a badA now...
Oh after reading about you being one of those horny weirdos at the gym I take it back...
Nice cycle though. Reminds me of my old bulks. End of the month I should be back at it. Got a good little cycle I should gain from. It's what added 120 pounds to my dead lift last year plus some extra! If it doesn't I'll have to hit some more. Also gona do a cut an start lg diet.
Goodluck on your pct man. You really killed it and put in the hard work at the gym. Inspirational really...(sounds like yo will on clom) hahahaha
Oh after reading about you being one of those horny weirdos at the gym I take it back...
Nice cycle though. Reminds me of my old bulks. End of the month I should be back at it. Got a good little cycle I should gain from. It's what added 120 pounds to my dead lift last year
plus some extra! If it doesn't I'll have to hit some more. Also gona do a cut an start lg diet. Goodluck on your pct man. You really killed it and put in the hard work at the gym. Inspirational really...(sounds like yo will on clom) hahahaha
thetinyguy
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I feel like such a child in the thread vast full of knowledge an experience, i'm loving my wimpy D-AA right now haha xD
CountryLiftin
Well-known member
thetinyguy said:
Lol I'm pretty sure I have tht title. You can be my "older brother"
Daa makes me weird...
mattrag
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Matt your such a badA now...
Oh after reading about you being one of those horny weirdos at the gym I take it back...
Nice cycle though. Reminds me of my old bulks. End of the month I should be back at it. Got a good little cycle I should gain from. It's what added 120 pounds to my dead lift last year
Goodluck on your pct man. You really killed it and put in the hard work at the gym. Inspirational really...(sounds like yo will on clom) hahahaha
Haha! I'm no badass. You sir are damn strong! I wish I started lifting when I was in High School... Started in College and my god it's not easy making gains lol.
Hey, DAA is GOOD STUFF! I like it. DAA + Erase was pretty much a sideless PH stack for me. Ran it on bulk calories and my goodness I was strong. Probably over trained too, but strong nonetheless (I Was doing 2 a days, everyday.... The arnold contest prep program... haha! )