Any word on when we will have a detailed write-up for MassFX? What about information on the 25R-diol ingredient? Since MassFX is now on-sale I'm sure people would like to know how it works.
Any word on when we will have a detailed write-up for MassFX? What about information on the 25R-diol ingredient? Since MassFX is now on-sale I'm sure people would like to know how it works.
I demand the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow, quit messing around and give them to me! I am a customer you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its Coming!
Umm... yes. Everybody knows how the 3,4-DVTHF works. As for the 25R-diol that I asked about, all I could find from AX reps was that it's "going to create a lot of testosterone". I was hoping to receive actual information on how this occurs. I apologize if this was already discussed in another thread and I missed it... perhaps you could point me in the right direction?Got search?
I guess I assumed wrong.I just assumed now that MassFX is on sale, somebody at AX besides Dr. D would actually know something about the main ingredient.
Thank you for the clarification. It is good to know that the silence of the AX reps on 25R-diol is due to contractual obligation, not ignorance. (I'm still amazed that people actually buy a product without any information on its main ingredient... but that's on them, not you.)Savage...........You just have to wait. We have an agreement with Dr.D that when HE develops a product any info will come from HIM. I could go run my mouth about the compound and it would not be 100% accurate. No one at AX besides D is a chemist. We all have a 10,000 foot understanding about how this works. We have agreed to let him get the details out. Relax, take a deep breath, it's coming. I promise.
You know how many companies sell products like that? :ntome:(I'm still amazed that people actually buy a product without any information on its main ingredient
No offense taken, Savage! :afro:I guess I assumed wrong.
It just blows my mind that people are climbing all over themselves to buy MassFX when even the AX reps have absolutely no information on the main ingredient. No offense intended to either of you, Mace and FnF. You're doing your best and waiting on Dr. D, and I'm not trying to take a shot at you two or AX in general. I'm just dumbfounded that people have been told absolutely nothing about 25R-diol and are still willing to buy it. :blink:
In any case, I am curious about this 25R-diol ingredient and will now shutup and wait patiently for Dr. D to educate us.
Sure let's hear itam i allowed to guess the metabolites of mass fx
Savage...........You just have to wait. We have an agreement with Dr.D that when HE develops a product any info will come from HIM. I could go run my mouth about the compound and it would not be 100% accurate. No one at AX besides D is a chemist. We all have a 10,000 foot understanding about how this works. We have agreed to let him get the details out. Relax, take a deep breath, it's coming. I promise.
AX has one goal. To release amazing products. This is our first venture into doing everything internally (normally we license and materials are provided). It's a learning process and we are doing our best.
KHAN! YOU CAN NOT MENTION ANY OF OUR PREVIOUS PROHORMONE PRODUCTS IN OUR SECTION! I have warned you ONCE BEFORE! I WILL HAVE TO TAKE EXTREME MEASURES IF IT CONTINUES!HEY GUYS!!! i went to arizona and stole the write up from ax. the write up says that its actually leftover superdrol, its just manufactured as mass fx so when the write up comes out in 8 weeks and people are done with their cycle dr.d will highly recommened post cycle therapy.:thumbsup:
Since always...D is a chemist? Since when?
I'll be checking it out too - looks almost too good to be true, boost total test, increase endogenous test, activate receptors but not cause any disruption of the HPTA...savage, now that they have the official write up and questions with dr.d, i'd like to know what your thoughts on this product are as you seem to a smart guy and your not affiliated.
Thanks... definitely not affiliated. I read it once and it certainly sounds good, but just about everything sounds good in the official write-up. I'm going to reread it and then ask Dr. D for clarification and research on a few points. Once I get his answers, I will let you know what I think.savage, now that they have the official write up and questions with dr.d, i'd like to know what your thoughts on this product are as you seem to a smart guy and your not affiliated.
<Sigh>NO!
AX claimed that MassFX, not specifically that 25R-Diol, would increase your test!
Nettle is the ingredient that raises test!
Actually it will make you pump out more "juice". Although it is not the main mode of action it does help LH. The statement the reps posted came right from Dr.D. Our agreement is we do not post anything science wise unless it comes from D. (Hence the delay in releasing the full mode of action)Well according to the write-up, 25R-diol definitely will not make you pump out more man juice. AX previously stated that 25R-diol would increase testosterone, but apparently they were confused because the write-up speaks of a completely different mechanism (which is a little hazy, hence the need to ask Dr. D for clarification and supporting research).
The DVTHM will free up some man juice, though.
I've asked Dr. D questions here:savage, now that they have the official write up and questions with dr.d, i'd like to know what your thoughts on this product are as you seem to a smart guy and your not affiliated.
Good deal. #1 he will not answer and I explained. The rest he can answer.I've asked Dr. D questions here:
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It is amusing how the write-up wasn't proofread or even run through spellcheck and grammar check before being released.
Ahh I respect your sarcasm, but please understand that due the hounding of some people and the recent release of certain compounds similar to our own, we had to put a rush on the write-up. Granted a spell check would have caught certain things, we are not perfect, and since day one you and other members have been on our ass like feces on a baby's diaper about how it works. So now that you have a write up, you are complaining its not up to your grammatical standard, well I am sorry your standards are so high and cannot overlook certain errors and pose questions in our forum without a condescending tone. So there you have it I hope my write-up and answer is up to your expectation, as Savagery gets you a long way...Bashing? I am just trying to get some answers... that's it.
And yes, I am amused that the write-up wasn't proofread. It's not "a spelling error". The whole thing is riddled with stuff that a cursory proofread or even grammar check would have caught. I'm not saying this means that MassFX isn't a good product. But in general, that sort of sloppiness doesn't reflect well on a product.
As I said, I just want answers. The write-up is quite sketchy about how 25R-diol works. It makes interesting claims but doesn't provide evidence or even explanation of how the claimed benefits occur. Hopefully Dr. D's response on your board will help to clarify my confusion.
But it's extremely disappointing that the write-up mentions numerous studies but, according to your response on 'Ask Dr. D', you're unwilling to provide them.
Savate................Enough we get your point.You are essentially saying "Trust us" with your promotion of the product. You are making claims, but the customer has to take a leap-of-faith to believe these claims and buy the product. Quality supplements are not the results of sloppiness. Did the company check out the raw material supplier? Did the company have the raw material independently analyzed? Is the company using a GMP-certified, Drug Licensed manufacturing facility? Did the company thoroughly review the supporting research, or did they just glance at a few abstracts? When a write-up is riddled with simple spelling and grammar errors, it signals sloppiness. If a company is sloppy with something like a write-up, this suggests they may also be sloppy in other, more complex (and more important) areas of the process.
I actually own a supplement company that sells over 80,000 bottles a year (completely unrelated to bodybuilding/weightlifting), so I understand how the industry works. I fail to see why simply referencing the studies would make it easier for someone to steal the product. The compound is known, and that's all that's needed to clone the product. Why would a competing company need the supporting research in order to have the chemical manufactured? They wouldn't.why would we publish every single detail so any other company in the industry can steal the product? YOU OBVIOUSLY don't understand the industry. There are so many copy-cats and people willing to make a buck out there that sound science and research go out the door! You wanna know how it ALL works and ALL the references? Guess what there is a library on practically every corner in this country!
If the research behind the compound is solid then that will silence my skepticism. If the mechanism can be sufficiently explained then that will also go a long way. I am not trying to stir sh!t here. I have no quarrel with AX. I'm simply trying to learn about 25R-diol, I'm simply trying to get answers. And no, I will not be satisfied with an answer of "It does X and Y, and you'll just have to trust us."We provided what was asked for. We will answer any and all questions that we legally can. If you are dissatisfied then go somewhere else. I have a feeling that even after releasing reference after reference and article after article you would still be a skeptic. So either use the product or don't!
All of the references that matter discuss the synth or the source of the material. Yes that is handing the compound out on a silver platter. Come on your smarter than that. Take the nettle extract for example. Just because you know what it is does not mean you are going to get a quality extraction process. You know how many junk samples we have tested. For 25R-diol if the other companies do not know the base materials and extraction/synth process they are going to get junk.I fail to see why simply referencing the studies would make it easier for someone to steal the product.
Thank you for the answer. So you're saying that the two studies I asked about (regarding libido and LH) both also discuss the synthesis or extraction of the compound?All of the references that matter discuss the synth or the source of the material. Yes that is handing the compound out on a silver platter. Common your smarter than that. Take the nettle extract for example. Just because you know what it is does not mean you are going to get a quality extraction process. You know how many junk samples we have tested. For 25R-diol if the other companies do not know the base materials and extraction/synth process they are going to get junk.
Yes the three non English articles discuss the synth and base material. I can guarantee they are different from the articles you have (I know which articles they are). This is THE reason Mass FX works so well.Thank you for the answer. So you're saying that the two studies I asked about (regarding libido and LH) both also discuss the synthesis or extraction of the compound?
I've already read a lengthy, English-language article that discusses source and extraction. The information is no secret. The beneficial effects of the compound are the secret, but it seems like that's a secret you'd want out.
In any case, I'm eager to read Dr. D's answers regarding the mechanism.
I am asking about a specific compound: 25R-diol.AND NO PROOF? How about 30+ logs all of which had favorable results!?!??!
Dead horse :whip: SavageI am asking about a specific compound: 25R-diol.
You are referring the logs that virtually all utilized two different products, MassFX and Hyperdrol, that contain a combined seven different compounds. This makes it impossible to determine what reported benefits were caused by 25R-diol
Moreover, MassFX contains DVTHM, and Hyperdrol contains an anti-aromatase. In other words, the NHA stack. People have reported favorable, significant results using these alone. This makes it even more impossible to determine the effect of 25R-diol.
Finally, it is a mistake to underestimate the placebo effect and the impact it has on logs. How many glowing logs have been written about products that were later found to be ineffective? Thousands. Maybe tens-of-thousands.
Do these logs tell us about MassFX+Hyperdrol? Yes (although placebo shouldn't be ignored). Do these logs inform us about 25R-diol specifically? Absolutely not. They tell us nada, zero, zilch, nothing, about the effects of 25R-diol.
Do you now see why these logs do not satisfy my curiosity and skepticism about this compound, and why I'm interested in actually understanding the mechanism and reviewing research?
I think it i svaluable to be able to have the references presented that substantiate the safety and possible efficacy of this compound. Otherwise many individuals are introducing a product into their bodies without any knowledge of its mode of action and potential adverse effects.I am asking about a specific compound: 25R-diol.
You are referring the logs that virtually all utilized two different products, MassFX and Hyperdrol, that contain a combined seven different compounds. This makes it impossible to determine what reported benefits were caused by 25R-diol
Moreover, MassFX contains DVTHM, and Hyperdrol contains an anti-aromatase. In other words, the NHA stack. People have reported favorable, significant results using these alone. This makes it even more impossible to determine the effect of 25R-diol.
Finally, it is a mistake to underestimate the placebo effect and the impact it has on logs. How many glowing logs have been written about products that were later found to be ineffective? Thousands. Maybe tens-of-thousands.
Do these logs tell us about MassFX+Hyperdrol? Yes (although placebo shouldn't be ignored). Do these logs inform us about 25R-diol specifically? Absolutely not. They tell us nada, zero, zilch, nothing, about the effects of 25R-diol.
Do you now see why these logs do not satisfy my curiosity and skepticism about this compound, and why I'm interested in actually understanding the mechanism and reviewing research?
I don't think abyone wants any proprietary info. All I think is being asked is that data on the studies and simple references be provided rather than uncontrolled, unsupervised , and alledged unbiased logs as reference material.Dead horse :whip: Savage
We have been over this many a time now. You have access to our chemist to ask all of the question you want short of proprietary info.
From a company standpoint, I would be worried that I would lost much more than 5 sales because of the inability to demonstrate anyhting along the lines of safety and data to substantiate the claims - doing so would actually boost sales - atleast provide excerpts or something along those lines.As I have said before our company will not be releasing the references. The references give away the information that makes Mass FX what it is. In the future? Possibly. If this causes us to lose a sale or five then we will have to live with that. It will help keep our formula safe in the end. It is a company decision from the top and will not be changed. Time to move on from the references it is a dead horse.
It is possible that ALRI has the three non english docs for their BAM product. If they decide to release these references (which I doubt they will it is a gold mine) then it will be out.
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