Marijuana and Bodybuilding
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chocolatemilk
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Any single thing in this world in excess that we put into our body will probably affect our endocrine system and hormones in some way. "EXCESS"
TheDarkHalf
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I only smoke on the weekends
chocolatemilk
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Then you my friend do not fall into the Excess category.... same with me
jfgordon1
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I also moved to vape (over a year ago)... i have the herbalaire and it's the greatest high ever... however, i still enjoy the smoking aspect of weed... it's more "fun"...
for the paranoia... i use to get it pretty bad. I think it's half mind control half tolerence... i use to always find myself smoking with everyday smokers.. (best friends :bigeyes: )... when i was high... they weren't. So we'd still be smoking. ( shoulda passed...but com'on
) As of now.. i smoke atleast once a day, so my tolerance can keep up with my buddies... paranoia gone.Oh, and whoever said "stay away from indica"... they are exactly right. If you have a choice... smoke a more sativa dominant strain. It'll keep you off the couch
... however, i know it's tough for non-medical states to know what they're smoking.jfgordon1
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Ironically, you posted this at 4:20. (my time) :silly:
edit: btw, you're 5'7" 240? God damn, son.. you're a square
Mrbobcat
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It may be a little off-topic, but have any of you tried "legal bud" such a Salvia? I found a couple sites on the net that sell it. One site has some stuff that looks very close to the real thing. Not all their varieties list the ingredients, but one of them lists: poppy flowers,chesteya bud, hybrid strains of wild dagga buds, flowers, leonurus sibiricus extract for something called Dutch Haze. It says the stuff is very similar to the real thing, but of course they will say that to sell it. I have talked to one person that has tried something similar and they said it worked pretty good, but did'nt seem to last very long. Its not very cheap either. Its been many years since I smoked anything and don't want to do anything illegal.
btw, I see up in MI they have medical marijuana now. That has me curious as I hear you can make decent money being a "caretaker" and can grow up to 12 plants per patient and can have 5 patients, but you have to buy some fairly expensive equipment and go to a growing university to do it right. Then you have to find your patients, but I'm sure that would'nt be hard once your up and running. To bad I don't live in MI, but I'm not that far away from the border...
btw, I see up in MI they have medical marijuana now. That has me curious as I hear you can make decent money being a "caretaker" and can grow up to 12 plants per patient and can have 5 patients, but you have to buy some fairly expensive equipment and go to a growing university to do it right. Then you have to find your patients, but I'm sure that would'nt be hard once your up and running. To bad I don't live in MI, but I'm not that far away from the border...
chocolatemilk
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salvia is very potent. its an intense 10 min trip which if used properly induces visuals. its no joke all other legals are balls
TheDarkHalf
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That's completely false. Do some research on K2 and order yourself some....that $h!t got me super high. It's contains no THC but acts on the same receptors that THC acts on and is much more potent. Also, you can't fail a drug test for this either as it's not tested for and isn't banned by the fed.
chocolatemilk
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Seriously? I've tried quite a few legals and they do nothing but headaches. Salvia is straight up way intense. I'll take your word for the k2 when my bud stash dries out haha. Hows the price on it? Tolerance?
Mrbobcat
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Yeah, I've heard reports of it lasting anywhere from 15 min. to several hours (big difference there). I suppose it depends on how potent it is and where it comes from (just like mj). It does'nt look too expensive for Saliva, but the "blends" look more like the real thing (buds) and they are a little more, but not sure how well they really work. The main ingredient seems to be Wild Dagga. It seems like this legal bud stuff would be more popular if it really worked good. Of course I'm not in the "party crowd" or teens and younger adults anymore either...
TheDarkHalf
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Nah man. I got the 'summit' kind...I guess it's the strongest one you can buy. It's a little harsh smoking it out of a pipe...best used for a tea or water bong or bubbler or something of that sort.
Never gotten sick...always gotten high....just about as good if not better than the weed i normally get and around here it's 50-70 an 1/8th no seeds.
Vegking
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Woa!!! Be very careful with this stuff. K2 just caused someone to commit suicide last week. Just 18 years old. People that knew him said no way would have he done it without being on the K2. For reasons unknown, some people just don't handle this at all. We really don't have any history with this substance. At least with weed there is over 40 years of pretty widespread usage, and no one was ever know to kill themselves on it.
TheDarkHalf
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clearly this kid had problems.....sorry i've smoked K2 ALOT and my friends and I have never wanted to do that
kingdong
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More like 230. No six pack, but Im no fatty either. The ladies like me, so Im happy.
Vegking
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no, the kid did not have a lot problems. Not at all. The news paper did some research on it and apparently some people just freak on this stuff, most don't. I'm just saying be careful. Now I know people get panic attacks and paranoia on weed, but this stuff in a different animal when people freak on it. Again, all I'm saying if it turns on you be careful, try and be around other people.
OrganicShadow
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I mean there's some obvious negative effects to your immediate health: carcinogenic compounds, lethargy, brain cell damage, etc. You know the works - a vaporizer can eliminate any negatives to "smoking" as it's not actually burning the plant rather than straight THC.
For the biochemistry here's what I know:
THC will first cause an increase in testosterone from stimulus from the hypothalamu's vassopressin secretion. Your vessels dialate and a small increase of test is in occurance - it's also why you get the "munchies" because your body thinks its low in blood glucose.
b unit posted a nice blurb about the effects of LH and test being secreted simultaneously with higher concentrations and causing a serious drop - 24 hours if I remember correctly.
I know for a fact that the high experienced from blazing is directly associated with an increase in dopamine. Levels of dopamine like that inhibit cAMP activity in adipose tissue so if your trying to cut weight then this is going to slow you down hard.
My opinion: it's a better option than the alternatives. I would just say don't smoke. If you do rip a bong on an off night with some old friends then dont freak out just dont make it a habit.
For the biochemistry here's what I know:
THC will first cause an increase in testosterone from stimulus from the hypothalamu's vassopressin secretion. Your vessels dialate and a small increase of test is in occurance - it's also why you get the "munchies" because your body thinks its low in blood glucose.
b unit posted a nice blurb about the effects of LH and test being secreted simultaneously with higher concentrations and causing a serious drop - 24 hours if I remember correctly.
I know for a fact that the high experienced from blazing is directly associated with an increase in dopamine. Levels of dopamine like that inhibit cAMP activity in adipose tissue so if your trying to cut weight then this is going to slow you down hard.
My opinion: it's a better option than the alternatives. I would just say don't smoke. If you do rip a bong on an off night with some old friends then dont freak out just dont make it a habit.
TheDarkHalf
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Yeah it's a different animal because it's more potent than marijuana. So therefore if it's more potent and smoke more, than yes you will probably freak out. To me something just doesn't seem right....and for all you and everyone else knows that kid really could of had problems regardless of what people say. You never know what's going on inside someone's head.
Thanks for your concern but I'm a professional
Vegking
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Okay, so lets say the kid really did have problems, even thought this one did not fit the profile. Lots of people who use pot have problems too, and they don't kill themselves under the influence. The story was in the Des Moines Register, they did a pretty comprehensive job of covering the case.
alwaysgaining
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well guys i have postd befor in here saying that weed has helpd me and its has as far as eating gose, but after smoking alot like 4g aday i have relised that it reduces alethic performance and argression and makes me sother looking and leads me twards unhealther foods and on top of it all the smoke imean smoke going into my lungs regaurdless is bad!
Vegking
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aaah, why in this day and age is anyone "smoking" cannabis? My goodness, move to a vape and only use about 3 times per week. You will get all the benefits without most of the drawbacks. If you can't do it this way or something similar, this drug will bite you in the @$S one way or another.
jfgordon1
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Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. It was actually a compliment. I figured you were built well since you're on this forum.
Vegking
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^ It's just like anything though... cheeseburgers, caffiene, vitamin e... it can ALL be abused. Just be smart about it peeps
indeed, the problem or the issue is the degree of the abuse and the speed in which the abusive behavior can manifest problems. MJ if abused, will manifest it quicker than cheeseburgers for example. The irony is one of the ways in which mj can 'bite you in the @$$" is it can cause you to eat more cheeseburgers or crap food like that. Now some people can use everyday, still keep their motivation for workouts and their occupation, and stick to their diet. If you are one of those people you are lucky. However, the physical sides still could be doing a number on you without you even knowing it. For example, your neurotransmitters will be way out of balance once you subside usage and then you may be dealing with the nasty sides until your body/mind get back into homeostasis.
jfgordon1
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^ I agree to an extent. However, i'm not sure what you mean by "nasty sides". When i take tolerence breaks, i have trouble sleeping. That's it. And that lasts for a few days tops.
It's all in the individual. Some can smoke everyday and get what they need to do, done. However, if you're lazy to begin with, and smoke.... it's not going to help. Just like being lazy and drinking. It's all in one's mind set.
It's all in the individual. Some can smoke everyday and get what they need to do, done. However, if you're lazy to begin with, and smoke.... it's not going to help. Just like being lazy and drinking. It's all in one's mind set.
kingdong
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Alot of people kill themselves sober. For arguments sake, maby we should just stick up for natural marijuana. I really don't think the "make K2 more available" argument is really gonna go anywhere. The legalize God made weed argument is making some progress though.(referring to the politicle world)
HereToStudy
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Heh, I will Chime in...
Went through a dry spot about a month back, decided **** it, Ill grab some K2. I had smoked it previously (or similar synthetics) with success.
Me and the girl hit it, got high and relaxed. It is a strong high. Very physical feeling. The actual smoke sucks (this is summit btw), harsher then the pleasant green and not as tasty. The high is quick coming, intense, but more or less similar to marijuna.
Now it did after a week/week and a half of use make me miss the old thing. The flavor, the smoothness, the better high, and overall the sense that marijuana is natural. When I grabbed an 8th of the real deal, I remembered what I missed. So much better, and healthier.
TL;DR:
Weed > K2. But, in a dry spell, K2 will get you feelin' good.
Went through a dry spot about a month back, decided **** it, Ill grab some K2. I had smoked it previously (or similar synthetics) with success.
Me and the girl hit it, got high and relaxed. It is a strong high. Very physical feeling. The actual smoke sucks (this is summit btw), harsher then the pleasant green and not as tasty. The high is quick coming, intense, but more or less similar to marijuna.
Now it did after a week/week and a half of use make me miss the old thing. The flavor, the smoothness, the better high, and overall the sense that marijuana is natural. When I grabbed an 8th of the real deal, I remembered what I missed. So much better, and healthier.
TL;DR:
Weed > K2. But, in a dry spell, K2 will get you feelin' good.
KingLouisXXIV
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Haha that **** came from my school! A clemson professor was doing research on THC mimickers and created it. Somehow (I wonder how, college students everywhere and everything) it got out of the lab
chocolatemilk
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Well I'll give K2 or Spice a shot when:
A) dry spell for the weed
B) I could get it for a better price than weed
C) someone hands me a pipe and says take a hit of this sh*t lol
A) dry spell for the weed
B) I could get it for a better price than weed
C) someone hands me a pipe and says take a hit of this sh*t lol
HereToStudy
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I would say the dryspell and or if it is passed to you should be the time to grab it. Option B, it already is a better price (depending on your area/quality of weed). For example, ill usually grab dank, and it is 20/g or 60/8th. The spice was 3g for like 25 (after tax, etc...). So cheaper it is, but id rather pay more for the natural.
chocolatemilk
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Oh I didn't know it was cheaper... option A and B it is lol.
TheDarkHalf
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Yeah K2 is cheaper and stronger....you don't need as much. It's almost like smoking dank and is best smoked out of a bong IMO
chocolatemilk
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Do they sell it at head shops or just online?
DogSlime
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They sell it at about half the gas stations in my town. ****s legit and gets u high as ****. If it says "herbal incense" then its gtg, tho some are better than others.
HereToStudy
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All the chicago head shops have it, just make sure you use the word insense, some can be pretty strict on that because they worry less if they market it as insense.
chocolatemilk
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Gotch'ya.. I'll call them before hand and ask. Let you guys know how it turns out when I get it.
I remember one time the head shop people snapped on me and my friend and kicked us out for saying "bongs" instead of "water pipes" haha. They are strict about stuff like that.
kingdong
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Didn't whant to change topics, but I guess this thread has gone through a lot of mutations anyway. Anyone tried going through life high for a while? Does it get old? I find that I just enjoy everything more when I'm high. Im more frendly at my job. I work out better. I JO better. I enjoy social activities more. It helps me get a long with my family...
I obviously take down the dosage for work and family BTW.
I obviously take down the dosage for work and family BTW.
chocolatemilk
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I could never do it. I suck balls at everything when I'm high. Working out I'm to lazy, being social I feel awkward everywhere, talking to people I feel like I sound retarded.... I have to take care of everyday tasks before getting high so nothing will come up. This usually makes me a late night toker lol.
I wish I was like that...
kingdong
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It took a little training. I take a real small dose for some things and higher for others.
TheDarkHalf
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Make sure you get the "summit" blend if it's available....strongest one you can buy. Online you can get an ounce for $150
chocolatemilk
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Does it actually feel like a weed high, if so I'm probably gonna invest in that ounce. I'll just dive in if you can tell me it's just like weed.
Can it be put in a vape?
Can it be put in a vape?
UnrealMachine
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this weed substitute sounds weird. I like the real thing. I like the look of it, I like the smell of it, i like the smoke, i like it all. I like to see those dense crystally nugs.
marijuana and bodybuilding, what a good topic. It's like peanut butter and jelly.
everybody has seen the picture/video clip of ARNOLD smoking weed... alright guys 'nuf said. Smoke weed and eat Dbol and you'll become a champion just like Arnold.
marijuana and bodybuilding, what a good topic. It's like peanut butter and jelly.
everybody has seen the picture/video clip of ARNOLD smoking weed... alright guys 'nuf said. Smoke weed and eat Dbol and you'll become a champion just like Arnold.
chocolatemilk
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Listen Mr. Unreal we don't all live in Kaleefownia where the abundance of Ganja causes virtually no dry spells.
Ukhhhhh the worst feeling looking over your contact list thinking "who's got some kron."
At least I know an alternative is available lol. Always... available.
Ukhhhhh the worst feeling looking over your contact list thinking "who's got some kron."
At least I know an alternative is available lol. Always... available.
gamer2be08
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Please Unreal and CM, do not get that K2/SERENITY fake weed bull****..
It can KILL you..
Or give you seizures at the least.
No lie..
It is made by synthetic chemicals that are similar to THC..
It costs more than weed.
Real weed wont kill you..
You want high, smoke weed.
TheDarkHalf
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Take your propaganda else where.
Can it kill you? I smoked it...didn't kill me....no seizures. Just stoned and increased appetite.
Yes it's made with a synthetic chemical that has been around since the 70s (and was invented at Berkley). Guess what we are putting steroids into our bodies so who cares. It acts on the same receptors as THC.
It costs more than weed? It costs less than weed dip****. I can get 1/8th of K2 for 35 that is just as good if not better than something you'd pay 50-60 for on the street. Oh yeah it'll last you 2-3x longer as well.
Want to get high legally? Smoke K2
Don't go around talking $hit until you try it.
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gamer2be08
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Whatever broseph..
Have tried it..
and the real stuff.. "hypothetically" of course...
This is just from what I have read, sounds dangerous.
Just because you weren't harmed from K2, doesn't mean somebody else wasn't.
I have never seen it cheap, of course I dont go actively searching for dealers..
To each their own.