Piston Honda
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Maybe I should play too. Pick me, pick me!
MAN SPORTS REPS come on in......
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mr.cooper69
Legend
He has a fair point about getting pumps
cubsfan815
Well-known member
I would say the same thing Coop.
However, I have no idea why but every time I took PF3 the pump I got from High Volume was intensified. I ran high volume plenty of times without PF3, there was a difference.
I wish I could explain it lol.
I don't shill either, I have stopped logs here and bb.com before if the product wasn't working.
I'm stumped on how PF3 does what it does
Diesel0022
Member
Placebo? Maybe your carb intake or timing changed? Too many variables
But the users on this site amaze me sometimes, anabolic minds: where the physiological possibilities are endless
But the users on this site amaze me sometimes, anabolic minds: where the physiological possibilities are endless
mr.cooper69
Legend
How is your usual GI health? PF3 may have had a reparative effect on the GI tract. Less inflammation may have lead to greater uptake of __________ ingredients, including pump ingredients
jbryand101b
Banned
no body has a fair point about telling me whether or not I had better pumps including it into my pre workout or not.
that's just redonkulous.
I was 100% honest. I also gave the final review enough time to stop using the product, and begin using glycophase an xgels. few weeks into those, and my pumps from adding these products aren't as good as with pf3.
I always have agmatine an citruline malate on hand, and always add it into my pre workout drinks. the only difference was the addition of pf3.
I have a video review up discussing my thoughts on the product.
jbryand101b
Banned
go back to bb.com where you came from newbie.
nothing changed in my timing or diet except the removal of my usual hydrolyzed whey isolate, and adding in pf3.
I workout at the same exact time every day.
pacebo? uh no. there is no placebo when you expect the product to do nothing. placebo would be more logical if I said I experienced nothing, as this is what I expected.
I am not new to reviewing products either sponsored, or on my own.
the physiological possibilities aren't endless, and to say this is to toss every research study completely out the window and say it's all full of crap.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Nothing in the product would directly result in increased pumps but it's quite possible that it may help increase the uptake of some pump ingredients you are either taking in bulk or which are in your preworkout. I think the best way to see if the product has a direct impact on pumps would be to abstain from pump products for a little while when running PF3. Just my 2 cents.
jbryand101b
Banned
I'll have to give that a try, though I noticed no enhanced effect of other ingredients, like the ones found in focus xt, when I would take it at 3am along with pf3.
Diesel0022
Member
Bb.com? GRN bro
3 negs, 6 reps, I must be doing something right
I suggest you head out of the supp section, try nutrition or possibly the steroid section. Supplements aren't working for you.
Back to GRN, night
Edit: are you ****ing real? You want cns penetration from pf3 too? No wonder why everyone calls this place a intellectual wasteland
3 negs, 6 reps, I must be doing something right
I suggest you head out of the supp section, try nutrition or possibly the steroid section. Supplements aren't working for you.
Back to GRN, night
Edit: are you ****ing real? You want cns penetration from pf3 too? No wonder why everyone calls this place a intellectual wasteland
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Could be ingredients specific. I personally have not gotten anything but improved recovery from PF3/Bio-Gro but improved pumps have been a regular mention from many others whom have used the products and seeing all the other things they take, a common link has usually been that other products they have been using contained good pump promoting ingredients, so I would think that PF3 may possibly help with the uptake of some of these ingredients as it's usually being dosed with or shortly after ingesting some pump ingredients.
jbryand101b
Banned
I don't have the rep I have from making friends.
but you are right, I don't notice much from most supplements besides short lived effects, but it's enough to judge whether or not it's doing anything. im not a supplement junkie, or guru.
If you don't like the atmosphere here, you should go back to bb.com, or w/e other forum you frequent. and you failed to understand the reply to coops an kiss's response.
MuscleGauge1
Board Sponsor
It's truly a great product. I have used it in the past and had great results from it. I love the insane pumps that it gives it really does a good job with that and not very difficult to take at all.
Diesel0022
Member
well that's enough internet for today.
Piston Honda
Well-known member
I trust the loggers' experiences. JBry (and others) have been very honest in their logs. Some even quit due to some issues and we were fine with that. Maybe the PF3 helped with uptake of other ingredients, maybe it helped GI blah blah blah...it worked for him and many others.
Feel free to doubt him, as is your right; but when he responds, what else are you expecting from him? Diesel, your agenda is obvious from your comments. Maybe we can one day hook you up with a product you doubt less.
Feel free to doubt him, as is your right; but when he responds, what else are you expecting from him? Diesel, your agenda is obvious from your comments. Maybe we can one day hook you up with a product you doubt less.
thescience
Well-known member
I dont want anyone causing any grief for anyone who has taken the time to detail their experiences using pf3 for the benefit of our edification. jbrand101b is held in high esteem on these forums; he's an honerable representative from an awesome company and his observations are spot-on
Touey
Well-known member
It is very much no would say is exactly like a ship carrying a cargo that will never reach any port. And as long as it is alive, that ship will always be at sea, so to speak.
Piston Honda
Well-known member
If that ship is the U.S.S. Nonsense, you have docked her, Captain Touey.
jbryand101b
Banned
Just ordered me a tub of enhanced, prob shouldn't review it though, as the effects will probably be placebo and totally outlandish amiright?
Montego1
Well-known member
Or it will make you puke (my experience) and absolutely be the PF3s fault. Cause everything is PF3's fault. Ya dig?
Piston Honda
Well-known member
Gameday will make you swole...
mr.cooper69
Legend
What does enhanced have to do with this? I'm not doubting that you noticed pumps. Rather, I'm trying to figure out the mechanism (see my post above).
mr.cooper69
Legend
Or it will make you puke (my experience) and absolutely be the PF3s fault. Cause everything is PF3's fault. Ya dig?
PF3 killed my mom
Piston Honda
Well-known member
PF3 killed my mom
A clown killed my father
FL3X MAGNUM
Legend
Therefore he noticed increased pumps while using PF3.... that was his review breh
Touey
Well-known member
Your mother having gypsy ties father on fancy headress too face painting maybe logical but inexcusable outcome
fightbackhxc
Well-known member
I can't say I am 100 percent sold on the.pf3. After nearly one tub id like to continue running it, just a little pricey esp when biogrow is cheaper. I weigh 215 any chance I could need to up my dosing?
jbryand101b
Banned
This isn't directed at you, or pes, just those that discredit my ability to give my review/experience of a product.
thescience
Well-known member
ive come across several people who are taking high doses. im taking a higher dose myself and i plan on taking an uber-high dose in the future, as my goal is always to bulk (the weight i put on always looks good) and ive mysteriously gained bodyweight where ive been frozen at 185lbs for years (due i suppose to a lack of stomach space to eat more and an unwillingness to down protein more periodically) so im excited to see if yet more pf3 will result in yet more of the bulk im looking for
rugger48
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kissdadookie
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I didn't make my post trying to disprove what he felt. Lulz. I just made my post to point out that nothing in PF3 would directly affect pumps and improvement in pumps could very well be from PF3 possibly helping the uptake of some pump ingredients which he undoubtedly had been taking for awhile. I mean, I have absolutely no problems with his log on the product and felt that his review video was quite fair.
Something that would improve the uptake of certain ingredients is a world of difference from something that would have direct effects of the aforementioned certain ingredients but with the absence of those ingredients. I just wanted to point this out for the likelihood of others whom might not think of this and assume that PF3 is possibly a single solo pump product. So for such a user, it's most likely they will not gain increased pumps in the absence of already being on pump products.
Clearly there could be mechanisms at work here in products such as PF3/Bio-Gro which can directly cause pumps that has just not been identified, but none of the constituents of these products has ever been shown to increase vascularity, NO improvements, etc.
I use 4 scoops of Bio-Gro and for PF3, I found the equivalent there to be around 3 scoops. This either means that I might actually be ok with 3 scoops of Bio-Gro and I'm possibly taking 1 scoop too many, or that the two products for rough equivalency of benefits, 4 scoops BG ='s 3 scoops PF3. Regardless though, a tub of Bio-Gro and a tub of PF3 will both last you around the same amount of time so the biggest strike PF3 has against it right now is that it's considerably more expensive than Bio-Gro especially if you run 2 tubs a month.
Piston Honda
Well-known member
I really wish you would stop using PF3 as a means to pimp Bio-Gro.
Diesel0022
Member
It's essentially the same thing
kissdadookie
Well-known member
How do I pimp anything if I'm not associated with iSatori? One would think that to pimp something, one would be looking to benefit from such pimping in some way.
The two products essentially serves the same purpose. I've used both, so just giving honest feedback and suggestions for those interested in such a product.
My thoughts exactly.
jbryand101b
Banned
first time I ever heard of bio grow was related to this product. still haven't looked it up yet though. is it 25$ for a tub? if so ill be all over it.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Right now, it can be had for $20 a tub plus a t-shirt. LoL. It's BOGO ($39.95). NP sells it for $32 a tub, but I'm sure that they will have sales pretty frequently on the stuff (they've had it for $27/$28 for a really long time). I'm sure that PF3 prices will eventually come down enough for it to go head to head on pricing, as a consumer, that is probably the current biggest deciding factor, price.
thescience
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you got a problem with the scale at my gym bro? thats pretty judgemental considering you havent asked a single question about the particulars of my situation; you have no idea how excessive my pf3 dosing was, how long ive been taking it, and to what degree the weight ive gained is muscle; heck, maybe i gained fat, but i cant see where; my waist hasnt changed. im just glad ive gained weight and to whatever extent it may be fat i can easily turn it into muslce
Diesel0022
Member
Piston Honda
Well-known member
Diesel - keep negging us without a constructive or rational reason why and see where that gets you. If you doubt a user's claims, post a message. Your comments included with the negs show how little you're adding to the discussion and gives the lie to your intentions in this thread.
thescience
Well-known member
anyway, id love to compare pf3 to biogrow, but i have no idea how much of everything biogrow contains. We are happy to compare active ingredient contents and we've been very open about ours, but ive never seen that info in any of biogrow's ads aside from thier mention that a serving was equal to the bioactives of one serving of whey concentrate (compare that to one serving of pf3 having the bioactives of 25 scoops of whey isolate.) i vaguely remember seeing info on whey concentrates bioactive value being somewhere around 10%, which is over 3 times more than isolate, not 25x more. as someone who is loading up, my money goes with pf3 based on that, but i would like to see more info on how much of everything biogrow actually has as protein serving sizes used for comparison could vary ect.
thescience
Well-known member
iive been assured it can and does exist
Diesel0022
Member
Piston Honda
Well-known member
Messaged you back. We welcome your skepticism; but to call the loggers liars or placebo-influenced is just wrong. Their logs have been ultra detailed and they know their bodies and the supps they use. They all have extensive history on the forums and were chosen precisely for that reason, to protect them from the claims you're making. I cannot allow you to impugn their integrity based on their log experiences.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Well, it's hard to make an apples to apples comparison here since the peptides in question are derived from very different sources (one from bovine serum if I'm correct, the other from bovine colostrum). So the ratios of peptides are different of course. Also, I don't think anybody here knows WHICH bio-actives are being compared to whey in either instances. Bio-Gro claims the equivalent of 25 grams of whey but it's unclear if they are talking about all the peptides in question or just certain ones. PF3 claims the equivalent of 25 servings of whey but is that for all peptides or just for certain ones or just when comparing IgG content?
I think at the end of the day, the products are best judged on how they perform rather than trying to compare peptide content since the two products have very different ratios of peptides. I can say though, that taking 3 scoops of PF3 a day felt roughly the same as taking my usual 4 scoops of Bio-Gro a day. Recovery was similar IMO but personally, I did not experience out of norm weight loss, weight gain, increased size, or increased strength from either products to any significantly notable degree.
thescience
Well-known member
you make a good point about differences in sources, as there are some different ingredients. with regards to bioactives' claims: both products are discussing bioactive content in its collective entirety; there would be no reason to exclude any bioactive portion in highlights and there is no reference to that exclusion anywhere.
Diesel0022
Member
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Does bioactive value also include proline peptides or does it only factor in immune factors?
jbryand101b
Banned
Don't sweat it, cause he's 6'3" and only 201 according to his internet stats, which is pretty little for a guy of his height.
cubsfan815
Well-known member
Dang, so were you trying to rep or neg me lol? Cause I got repped too