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LTL has fallen to the darkside!

msrider said:
Sucks coming off! I'm the same way though, I needed to recover after mine. I'm getting geared up for another run in a few months that's gunna be Epic!

Just saw your pct, looks focking awesome! You might need to give t-blast a try some other time ;)
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May have to give it a shot bro. I'm very picky about pct though I stick mainly to products that I have had good success with in the past. Not saying t-blast wouldn't be a good addition just don't like trying new products in a crucial time like pct. I have had incredibly good and fast success raising my t levels with the products I have lined up:
 
LiveToLift said:
Pct so far

Nolva
Dpol
Erase pro
Anabeta elite
Hgh pro
Recycle or pct assist

Debating on adding osta

Also looking at adding a good quality cortisol control product if anyone has suggestions I'm down to listen. If I'm not mistaken SNS has a reduce Xt? Anyone used it?

Edit: also thought about adding versa-1 but may wait til after.
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Definitely throw osta in there its doing great for me so far! And reduce xt is legit for sure.

Hope you had some good times with the kiddo this week ltl. I know I've enjoyed the extra time I've had with my wife and son the past couple weeks.
 
I see some Purus in there JJ ;-) This will be a sad month tho... Guess what tho ;-) I got 100g of raw TE hmmmmmm.....
 
Airborne42 said:
I see some Purus in there JJ ;-) This will be a sad month tho... Guess what tho ;-) I got 100g of raw TE hmmmmmm.....
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100g? Be right there
 
Be careful on the Osta if you want to fully recover, I know lots of people use it in PCT and as a bridge but it definitely will shut you down if you take much and will hamper your recovery. I wouldn't go over 6-7mg a day if you just have to add it in there, but I would avoid it if full recovery is what you are looking for. Now if you plan to run it for 2-3 months then hit another cycle and repeat then that wont be much of an issue. Will be kind of a cruise and blast scenario.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Be careful on the Osta if you want to fully recover, I know lots of people use it in PCT and as a bridge but it definitely will shut you down if you take much and will hamper your recovery. I wouldn't go over 6-7mg a day if you just have to add it in there, but I would avoid it if full recovery is what you are looking for. Now if you plan to run it for 2-3 months then hit another cycle and repeat then that wont be much of an issue. Will be kind of a cruise and blast scenario.
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I'm running it now at 10mg in my pct. Too early to tell if its going to hold my recovery back or not
 
LiveToLift said:
Pct so far

Nolva
Dpol
Erase pro
Anabeta elite
Hgh pro
Recycle or pct assist

Debating on adding osta

Also looking at adding a good quality cortisol control product if anyone has suggestions I'm down to listen. If I'm not mistaken SNS has a reduce Xt? Anyone used it?

Edit: also thought about adding versa-1 but may wait til after.
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I know you said you'll probably wait until later but would it be a waste to run ABE and versa at the same time?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Be careful on the Osta if you want to fully recover, I know lots of people use it in PCT and as a bridge but it definitely will shut you down if you take much and will hamper your recovery. I wouldn't go over 6-7mg a day if you just have to add it in there, but I would avoid it if full recovery is what you are looking for. Now if you plan to run it for 2-3 months then hit another cycle and repeat then that wont be much of an issue. Will be kind of a cruise and blast scenario.
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is it risky to not fully recover before going on again?, noob question, i know, just a short answer would be cool, i dont want you to have to type a book for a reply, thanks Mrkleen
LTL,definatly watching your pct, looks pretty tight, [not that i would know]
 
metallic1 said:
is it risky to not fully recover before going on again?, noob question, i know, just a short answer would be cool, i dont want you to have to type a book for a reply, thanks Mrkleen
LTL,definatly watching your pct, looks pretty tight, [not that i would know]
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Each time you don't allow your HPTA to fully recover the likelyhood of fully recovering when you do finally take time lessens. Think of it like if you hurt your shoulder then let it heal 75% of the way then went back to lifting heavy before it was fully recovered. It may not cause a ton of damage immediately but cause degeneration and scar tissue that would increase likelyhood of injury down the road.
 
Lets not forget that anytime you mess with your HPTA you risk not recovering. ...just throwing that out there
 
Danb2285 said:
Lets not forget that anytime you mess with your HPTA you risk not recovering. ...just throwing that out there
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Certainly. Hell I am still not sure I won't end up on TRT after this PCT.
 
I love seeing MrKleen come into threads and drop some damn knowledge. Dude knows his shyt. He's like a damn rapper who spits his rhymes, extends the mic, drops it and walks.

And no homo. I want to be that damn knowledgeable some day.
 
BoneDaddy said:
I love seeing MrKleen come into threads and drop some damn knowledge. Dude knows his shyt. He's like a damn rapper who spits his rhymes, extends the mic, drops it and walks.

And no homo. I want to be that damn knowledgeable some day.
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i hear that, some of these guys know their shtuff, huh?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Each time you don't allow your HPTA to fully recover the likelyhood of fully recovering when you do finally take time lessens. Think of it like if you hurt your shoulder then let it heal 75% of the way then went back to lifting heavy before it was fully recovered. It may not cause a ton of damage immediately but cause degeneration and scar tissue that would increase likelyhood of injury down the road.
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Excellent way of putting it
 
Day 74

Weight 188.4 (+26.2)

Legs. Headache hit again today. I was fine until I got to the heavy sets on hack squat and all of a sudden it hit. Lethargy has been pretty heavy as well on the sdrol. I'm a bit surprised the sides haven't died down any. Will keep pushing for a few more days but if it continues I may think about dropping the sdrol. Cut today's workout short, I was already in a hurry and then the headache was the nail in the coffin on the session.

Hack squat
8-140+sled
7-180+sled
5-230+sled
5-250+sled
7-200+sled

Abductor
12-110
10-120
10-130
10-140
19-130

20 mins incline speed walk
 
nice squats bro! get well soon brotha hopefully those sides leave soon!
 
What kid of SD are you using? Notice any added bloating from it? I took orgInal SD back in the day and it was a super dry run.

My buddy stocked up on the LGI brand, I was thinking of maybe getting some (if I decide to dabble in ph/ps again) but he said he's bloating up pretty good on it. Wondering if my $$$$ would be better spent in other areas.

Edit: my busy? Dumby it's buddy*
 
Distilled Water said:
What kid of SD are you using? Notice any added bloating from it? I took orgInal SD back in the day and it was a super dry run.

My busy stocked up on the LGI brand, I was thinking of maybe getting some (if I decide to dabble in ph/ps again) but he said he's bloating up pretty good on it. Wondering if my $$$$ would be better spent in other areas.
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i have seen some good things from lgi version myself.i stocked up while it was cheap.
 
LiveToLift said:
Day 74Weight 188.4 (+26.2)Legs. Headache hit again today. I was fine until I got to the heavy sets on hack squat and all of a sudden it hit. Lethargy has been pretty heavy as well on the sdrol. I'm a bit surprised the sides haven't died down any. Will keep pushing for a few more days but if it continues I may think about dropping the sdrol. Cut today's workout short, I was already in a hurry and then the headache was the nail in the coffin on the session. Hack squat8-140+sled7-180+sled5-230+sled5-250+sled7-200+sledAbductor12-11010-12010-13010-14019-13020 mins incline speed walk
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SD was brutal on me. Gave me nasty headaches and nosebleeds. Only oral to ever do that to me.
 
Hope the sides ease up man. Good work on the hack squats regardless.
 
I'm running the lgi version, the bloating isn't too bad but the headaches are a lot worse then the Mdrol I ran in the past. The headaches are only really bad when I am lifting too but they get to where I have to cut the session short. Who knows it might be from other factors as well so I'm going to give it some more time.
 
LiveToLift said:
Day 74

Weight 188.4 (+26.2)

Legs. Headache hit again today. I was fine until I got to the heavy sets on hack squat and all of a sudden it hit. Lethargy has been pretty heavy as well on the sdrol. I'm a bit surprised the sides haven't died down any. Will keep pushing for a few more days but if it continues I may think about dropping the sdrol. Cut today's workout short, I was already in a hurry and then the headache was the nail in the coffin on the session.

Hack squat
8-140+sled
7-180+sled
5-230+sled
5-250+sled
7-200+sled

Abductor
12-110
10-120
10-130
10-140
19-130

20 mins incline speed walk
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Have you checked your BP recently? I tell everyone, take CoQ10 200mg/day. I had BP issues in SD too until I started taking CoQ10, sides went away in 2 days.
 
cswalczakny said:
Have you checked your BP recently? I tell everyone, take CoQ10 200mg/day. I had BP issues in SD too until I started taking CoQ10, sides went away in 2 days.
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Yea it is definitely Bp related. I have issues when I run sdrol but they usually subside after the first week.
 
LiveToLift said:
Yea it is definitely Bp related. I have issues when I run sdrol but they usually subside after the first week.
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Well give the CoQ a shot. I've suggested it to a couple people with the same issue and its worked like a charm
 
What's your diet looking like bro? Eating super clean and low carb with low gi carbs helps a bit with bp. You'd be amazed at how well it helps. That's one of the things I did on cycle when my bp got to absurd levels along with coq10, 8g fish oil, and a few other small tweaks. I also had to drop ALL caffiene/stimulants for about 2 weeks until bp subsided.
 
superbeast668 said:
What's your diet looking like bro? Eating super clean and low carb with low gi carbs helps a bit with bp. You'd be amazed at how well it helps. That's one of the things I did on cycle when my bp got to absurd levels along with coq10, 8g fish oil, and a few other small tweaks. I also had to drop ALL caffiene/stimulants for about 2 weeks until bp subsided.
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great point on that. Too much sugar makes me swell up like a water balloon and BP will definitely skyrocket and make things uncomfortable
 
cswalczakny said:
Have you checked your BP recently? I tell everyone, take CoQ10 200mg/day. I had BP issues in SD too until I started taking CoQ10, sides went away in 2 days.
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I took Ubiquinol (the better form of CoQ10), Cycle Assist, and fish oil and it almost never fails to bring my BP back down and take the headaches away.
 
kingjameskjf said:
I took Ubiquinol (the better form of CoQ10), Cycle Assist, and fish oil and it almost never fails to bring my BP back down and take the headaches away.
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I'll be looking into this Ubiquinol, thanks for the info KJ
 
LiveToLift said:
May have to give it a shot bro. I'm very picky about pct though I stick mainly to products that I have had good success with in the past. Not saying t-blast wouldn't be a good addition just don't like trying new products in a crucial time like pct. I have had incredibly good and fast success raising my t levels with the products I have lined up:
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Very crusial! I understand for sure. Don't fix what's not broken! I think you would respond very well with our natty booster though. I will do bloods before my next cycle and after my pct to give a little more insight my man. Keep up the great cycle bro.
 
cswalczakny said:
I'll be looking into this Ubiquinol, thanks for the info KJ
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No problem bro, there's a lot of good brands out there but I usually take Jarrow Formulas Ubiquinol QH from the local vitamin cottage. Ubiquinal is the active reduced state which absorbs much better so you don't need as much.
BoneDaddy said:
What was the dosing you took?
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Usually just 100 mg (1 pill) per day. If it's bad then I'll go up to 2 but no higher and it has always worked great.
 
kingjameskjf said:
No problem bro, there's a lot of good brands out there but I usually take Jarrow Formulas Ubiquinol QH from the local vitamin cottage. Ubiquinal is the active reduced state which absorbs much better so you don't need as much. Usually just 100 mg (1 pill) per day. If it's bad then I'll go up to 2 but no higher and it has always worked great.
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Thanks bro, I'm surprised it's affordable as it is.....especially compared to plain ol CoQ10
 
BoneDaddy said:
Thanks bro, I'm surprised it's affordable as it is.....especially compared to plain ol CoQ10
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wow, yeah. I'm definitely picking some up
 
kingjameskjf said:
No problem bro, there's a lot of good brands out there but I usually take Jarrow Formulas Ubiquinol QH from the local vitamin cottage. Ubiquinal is the active reduced state which absorbs much better so you don't need as much. Usually just 100 mg (1 pill) per day. If it's bad then I'll go up to 2 but no higher and it has always worked great.
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You can find this stuff at any local vitamin shop?

Thanks a lot for the advice guys!
 
LiveToLift said:
You can find this stuff at any local vitamin shop? Thanks a lot for the advice guys!
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yep, it's actually where I also get my NOW Ultra Omega fish oil. Check out the EPA/DHA values on that one, one of the best around and affordable too.
 
BoneDaddy said:
I need to stay out of this thread. My shopping list gets longer every time I come in here,......
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Better to have and not need than to not have and need.

Ltl, celery seed and Hawthorne Berry help also if your not using already. I was taking like 3g celery seed and 2g HB a day
 
Keep it up bro if you need to drop the sdrol then so be it your killing this log regardless man! I learned my body has no sides with 20mg of sdrol but I'm on the brink of death with my BP when I use 40mg anavar lol it's odd cant wait to see your final pics mayneeeeee!!!
 
Okay here is what you do, call the local blood bank and go donate a double plasma + whole blood or red cells, it will take about an hour they pull plasma out and add saline back in as well as taking a full blood donation at the same time. Basically what is going on is your hematocrit is probably really high EI the amount of cells you have and that creates a much higher pressure also your bloods viscosity is so thick it causes issues with blood pressure.

You will immediately feel better after doing this there is no weakness or anything because you get the fluids added back into you and even with them draining the whole blood you will still have normal or above normal red blood cell count from being on the gear.
 
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