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LiveToLift
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The nipple sensation was definitely there a few days ago that I'm beyond sure of. What I'm saying is I am an over thinker on everything and do believe at this point I very well could be feeling soreness and linking it to the issue.
I have been putting clothes clamps on them at night in some bedroom fun. Would that likely cause irritation and the problem to get worse?
:moon:
Montego1
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Id run epi instead of SD either way. Besides the myth that it gets rid of gyno u could run it longer and u have already put on quite a bit of size so hardening it with epi for a bit longer might just be ideal. AND if u gain much more strength ur gonna be running around in tore up purple shorts smashing cars with ur giant green fists.
Frank Reynolds
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LiveToLift said:The nipple sensation was definitely there a few days ago that I'm beyond sure of. What I'm saying is I am an over thinker on everything and do believe at this point I very well could be feeling soreness and linking it to the issue.
I have been putting clothes clamps on them at night in some bedroom fun. Would that likely cause irritation and the problem to get worse?
:moon:
Ya im not questioning it's existence. But you'd be surprised how many people will constantly **** with their nipples once that starts. It becomes hard to tell when it's starting to subside. So it's worth mentioning.
I'd think either way you'd be able to differentiate between the two.
kingjameskjf
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Question for ya Frank. I got raped on another board just for asking about nolva instead of clomid for 19-nor based compound. It seemed like the whole site was on board with that exact line of thinking. Could you please explain why it's broscience? I truly don't know.
Frank Reynolds
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kingjameskjf said:
Because it's perpetuated based on a study showing a slight rise in prolactin which quickly went down.(my memory is foggy but might have actually decreased) So everyone thinks it will worsen the problem when running 19-nors.
It's just not my experience in the real world. I've run 10mg nolva with tren, and npp on more than one occasion. And I get itchy nips just looking at aas. Lol
Good read... Start from there. SethRoberts drops some knowledge bombs..heh Actually a lot of what we are talking about in here, is in that thread.
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kingjameskjf
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Because it's perpetuated based on a study showing a slight rise in prolactin which quickly went down.(my memory is foggy but might have actually decreased) So everyone thinks it will worsen the problem when running 19-nors.
It's just not my experience in the real world. I've run 10mg nolva with tren, and npp on more than one occasion. And I get itchy nips just looking at aas. Lol
Good read... Start from there. SethRoberts drops some knowledge bombs..heh Actually a lot of what we are talking about in here, is in that thread.
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Thanks for the info!
mustang0341
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While we are talking about gyno, if I want to try and reduce pre-existing would a letro only run be preferred over trying to add epi to it?
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Frank Reynolds
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Actually it was up-regulation of the Pgr, not an increase in prolactin. It is studies like this that caused all the "hoop-lah"
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LiveToLift
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TUDCA, VMS and more Hemavol on the way. Will start the TUDCA when I receive it and couldn't pass up the hemavol deal. Really enjoyed the compete that comes it and a sports multi is also included. Not too mention the straps that come with the deal were lost on my first trip to the gym.... I'm terrible with the damn things! They were out of tangerine compete or else I was going to have that included. Such a downer! Really enjoy the flavor and like the endurance increase I've seen from supplementing it. Hitting shoulders after work and the extra AI along with decreasing my carb intake is working in my favor. May have a few pics up shortly.
houstontexas
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So if choosing Clomid over Nolva for 19-nor is broscience does that same statement hold true for Torem? I have Torem always on hand and was talking about a possible cycle down the road with deca and I was told to ditch the Torem for Clomid.
MrKleen73
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Good stuff on the cleaning up and Frank knows his stuff. Frank thanks for all the info.
Sourdough
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Frank Reynolds said:
lipids are great actually. No it's not exemestane year round, only use that when I'm running an aromatising compound, which isn't often. I will jump between form, trione, erase and atd all at reasonable doses... ok sometimes the trione and form are run higher cause they are decent androgen as well when put in a TD.
I also frequently run DAA with erase during off time(not pct or anything) even though I sometimes question erase as a complete AI... but I also use Toremifene in my PCT's with no AI at all(cept for the last week where i titrate over to an AI) which helps lipids considerably, even more so then nolva.
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Sourdough
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cswalczakny said:
Superdrol, although 5a reduced and dht based skeleton is not a great idea imo.. it can aggravate gyno in some by questionable pathways(i actually got gyno and made it worse using OG DS and AX Superdrol) most likely it's ability to knock bound estrogen off shbg n send a flood of extra estrogen into circulation.
Winny is a great idea. Even simple proviron in high doses or stano. Ideally, the legal option d-plex(converts to methyl dht, feels great for workouts), which can be found for cheap right now, would be my preferred resort.
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Sourdough
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houstontexas said:
Torem is also highly selective for breast tissue, is easier on the liver then nolva and had more benefits in correcting lipids then nolva... it's like super nolva...
nolva did, however, beat torem in a test boosting contest... i can't remember all the parameters of the study/comparison done to show this(it was either clomid or ralox vs nolva vs torem) but the differences were minimal in that regards and i think that in an extended test torem wound up beating it out in extended use? Just the nolva did boost test faster or something.... I'll try finding it later if it's possible.
Anyhow i think there is really minimal difference but nolva really is tried and true(and cheap). I also don't mind spending a lil more for the extra benefits of torem(just feel better imo).
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mustang0341
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think my post got past up....
Would a letro only run be preferred to knock down some pre-exsisting gyno, or could you add epi as well? At this point I am planning on running letro + Formastanzolol w/ nolv/erase pct
Would a letro only run be preferred to knock down some pre-exsisting gyno, or could you add epi as well? At this point I am planning on running letro + Formastanzolol w/ nolv/erase pct
Frank Reynolds
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Exem did a bit of damage to my lipids, adex destroyed them. Running very low AI/10mg nolva my lipids were near perfect, liver values great, etc. I really think the liver toxicity is a bit over blown with Nolva in the doses we use it. I ran it for over 8 months straight, and had no increase in enzymes.
I would use Torem but can't get it human grade. And I know WAY too much about the research industry to trust my boobies to anything research grade.lol
LiveToLift
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My god, glad I ordered super cissus. Shoulders are achy as a mofo. Couldn't go too heavy cause pain was crazy. Upped reps and straight wrecked them anyway...
Airborne42
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Achilles by Antaeus Labs
Makes you feel like a new man. Just don't get shot in the heel
Makes you feel like a new man. Just don't get shot in the heel
LiveToLift
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Day 23
Dosed 40mg dbol
Dosed 12.5 aromasin
Weight 183.2 (+21)
Shoulders and light cardio. Was planning an all out assault on my shoulders for PRs but seemed my joints were wrecked. I'm assuming it has to do with dosing aromasin at 25 for a few days. Went heavy on a few sets and dropped weight and just went for a pump and it worked. Veins were sick and the pump was incredible. This is the highest weight i have ever been in my life. At one point over a year ago i reached 181 but it was at about 18 percent bf. Id say in close to 15 right now. Phone was about to die so I didn't record entire workout, here are cliffs.
Military press heavies at 145 for 6 (+1 rep from last)
Front lateral lifts 45 for 5 (PR)
Wide hammer press
Shrugs
Incline speed walk 15 mins for 165 cals
Will probably do some AB work at home but not sure if I will get to it.
Dosed 40mg dbol
Dosed 12.5 aromasin
Weight 183.2 (+21)
Shoulders and light cardio. Was planning an all out assault on my shoulders for PRs but seemed my joints were wrecked. I'm assuming it has to do with dosing aromasin at 25 for a few days. Went heavy on a few sets and dropped weight and just went for a pump and it worked. Veins were sick and the pump was incredible. This is the highest weight i have ever been in my life. At one point over a year ago i reached 181 but it was at about 18 percent bf. Id say in close to 15 right now. Phone was about to die so I didn't record entire workout, here are cliffs.
Military press heavies at 145 for 6 (+1 rep from last)
Front lateral lifts 45 for 5 (PR)
Wide hammer press
Shrugs
Incline speed walk 15 mins for 165 cals
Will probably do some AB work at home but not sure if I will get to it.
Airborne42
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Hella! And that weight gain is nuts
TheSwanks
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nice! hitting PRs every workout feels great, doesn't it?
LiveToLift
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Bump for a brotholomu!
LiveToLift
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Thanks bros! I was shocked at the weight still going up with the upped AI!
Let the gains continue! Ended up a bit puffier then I would have liked in the pics I took though so I will have to cut them carbs down just a slight bit more. Not worrying too much about it just need to make sure I don't turn into a full blown fat ass!
R3ACTION
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LiveToLift said:Thanks bros! I was shocked at the weight still going up with the upped AI!
That guys bigger than Nate!
TheSwanks
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hahaha you should see what I look like now. I've really blown up, but I've also been hitting the ben&jerry's and girlscout cookies pretty hard a little too often. lol. I just hit 205lbs
mfg: can still (faintly) see my top 4 abs, but I'm starting to resemble a bloated mess. hahahathey shouldn't make food taste so damn good
MrKleen73
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Mustang, I am no expert but I have read that Letro standalone for a bit can deprive the mammary glands so much that the breast tissue actually has some necropsis, or Cell Death. I can tell you that letro alone will be more than enough save the formastanzol for another day if you go that route. Expect some nasty lipids and serious drying out of the joints during that time. I have heard others actually run DHT during this process as well. However you have to really watch out for Estro rebound when dropping it that low.
Now coming from a guy who carries a large amount of fat on the underside of my chest I can tell you that I always assumed I had a bad case of gyno. However once I got down into the 7% range I had not pointy nipple anymore but they were pointy when I was heavier. I may have the tiniest bit of it now, not sure because it truly took me getting under 6 for everything to go most of the way down so if things bother you that much try getting nice and low body fat and see how you feel about it. You may still have a little bit of gyno but if not bad the fact alot of that tissue is fat will make it much smaller.
Also not to be a weenie but most of us in bodybuilding circles have become so sensitive to the tiniest bit of it but take a look around you now-a-days. Anyone over the age of 25 with no sign of gyno is in the minority. It is now a product of our environment and not just a bodybuilder's issue where someone can look at you see a pointy nipple and scream steroids. If you don't want surgery though your best bet is to get into the single digit body fat area and see if it being much smaller is something you can deal with. Like I said I have fatty / pointy nipples since I was 12 but somewhere around 7% which is maintainable all of that was pretty much gone and at 6% still a maintainable body fat it was nowhere in sight.
Now coming from a guy who carries a large amount of fat on the underside of my chest I can tell you that I always assumed I had a bad case of gyno. However once I got down into the 7% range I had not pointy nipple anymore but they were pointy when I was heavier. I may have the tiniest bit of it now, not sure because it truly took me getting under 6 for everything to go most of the way down so if things bother you that much try getting nice and low body fat and see how you feel about it. You may still have a little bit of gyno but if not bad the fact alot of that tissue is fat will make it much smaller.
Also not to be a weenie but most of us in bodybuilding circles have become so sensitive to the tiniest bit of it but take a look around you now-a-days. Anyone over the age of 25 with no sign of gyno is in the minority. It is now a product of our environment and not just a bodybuilder's issue where someone can look at you see a pointy nipple and scream steroids. If you don't want surgery though your best bet is to get into the single digit body fat area and see if it being much smaller is something you can deal with. Like I said I have fatty / pointy nipples since I was 12 but somewhere around 7% which is maintainable all of that was pretty much gone and at 6% still a maintainable body fat it was nowhere in sight.
mustang0341
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MrKleen73 said:
Well i can definitely feel lumps there and remember having super bad burning and sore nips when i went through puberty. I was hoping it is fat but am truly not sure as i have never been that low BF% wise. If you look at the thread in my sig, 1st post, i have photos there. I guess tell me what you think? If you think its fat, ill bust a$$ to lower bf. But I can feel like a circular shaped lump under each nip that Ive had since I was young. I had some bs dr back then tell me that it would go away and never did. I didnt no what gyno even was till a few yrs ago.
Thank you for the reply though.
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awesome gains bro, can't wait to see the pics
MrKleen73
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LOL! By the way the Achilles has 500mg cissus per cap.
Sourdough
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MrKleen73 said:
Oh i kno.
While i quite like antaeus n they make a great joint product.... i really trust usp's extraction n have taken it successfully for years...
Plus 100g for 19 bucks n capping it myself is well worth it... i love being able to take 3600mg ed for almost a month if have to and its a drop in the hat for my wallet.
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mustang0341
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WINK!
MrKleen73
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Just a note on all the drama, (I fell behind few days), I LOVE the internets!!!
opcorn:
The things people say through the safety of a screen is baffling. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin. Know what I'm sayin?
I know what you're typing, but not what you're saying... If you know what I mean.
MrKleen73
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Yeah that stuff works, I get tired of capping stuff sometimes though. Then again I just take that stuff uncapped a lot of the time too. We were out of it here forever so I haven't even looked for it in forever.
houstontexas
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I've never capped my own supps... I feel left out...
MrKleen73
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Oh My God! And you are from Houston too! WTF! Real men don't cap they swallow! WAIT... WHAT????
houstontexas
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Ya man!! H-Town represent!! I'm an OG and all that gangsta shizznittlevanslizza...
Swallowing is the real deal bro!! I'm glad you know what's up!!
Listen up people!! Real men live in Houston and WE SWALLOW!!