Low labido week 3 PCT after adding erase help

[oliverduke]

Cialis = Viagra = Good Libido lol

Ahh same thing i see!

Do also have slightly sore knee joints... again low estro and erase related no?

 

[Mystere3]

Ahh same thing i see!

Do also have slightly sore knee joints... again low estro and erase related no?

or from working out. Not everything is related to a side effect, most thing aren't, in fact.

 

[oliverduke]

or from working out. Not everything is related to a side effect, most thing aren't, in fact.

Indeed this again is probably true... I had one bad experience with limp dick last week (really wasn't in the mood) and since then i think iv played it into my mind that iv got a problem and its making limp dick worse...

Last night when i forgot thinking about my limp dick everything worked fine... although low ejaculation amounts but i guess thats part of pct?

 

[Mystere3]

basically you just need to chill the f out.

 

[Peppers]

basically you just need to chill the f out.

Ha Ha For real.

Just give things time bro.

 

[oliverduke]

Ha Ha For real.

Just give things time bro.

yehh i guess so man :/ ill continue the erase at 2 caps tapering down when near end of bottle...

 

[TaylorSwift]

In other news, I just bought some USP labs test powder. It was relatively cheap at the drugstore and has a decent breakdown (3G DAA and 200 L-Dopa)

I took it a few hours ago and I feel a little libido increase: L-Dopa is a dopamine antagonist --> lower progesterone.

Most likely just placebo

 

[TaylorSwift]

Also, I understand the "give it time philosophy" but if he was fine before touching Erase, and now his dick doesn't work, wouldn't common sense dictate you NOT continue taking the offending substance? Your body is trying to reach homeostasis and you're adding ANOTHER pill to the mix.

As for the whole SERM-estrogen rebound theory, there's not a lot of strong literature to support it, and even then, estradiol only has a half-life of ~13-17 hours.

I would rather, POSSIBLY, have a few days of higher estrogen, than have a broken dick for weeks from adding another pill.

 

[Mystere3]

Uh ok. So you'd rather run into gyno that could take you months or years to deal with rather than have low libido for a week? Cialis would solve all of your ED issues anyways.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Uh ok. So you'd rather run into gyno that could take you months or years to deal with rather than have low libido for a week? Cialis would solve all of your ED issues anyways.

How would he get gyno on breast cancer medication made to block estrogen?

If you're referring to rebound again, he's tapering, and even then, no real evidence of e2 rebound occurring, anecdotally or otherwise.

 

[Mystere3]

How would he get gyno on breast cancer medication made to block estrogen?

If you're referring to rebound again, he's tapering, and even then, no real evidence of e2 rebound occurring, anecdotally or otherwise.

im really sick of this bullsht. epi is not the same compound that was used for breast cancer. There's no evidence at all to show that it reduces estrogen any more than any other DHT derivative does.

There's every possibility his libido issues are from TOO MUCH estrogen as much as from not enough. In fact if he drew a serum E2 I would bet it's high.

 

[TaylorSwift]

im really sick of this bullsht. epi is not the same compound that was used for breast cancer. There's no evidence at all to show that it reduces estrogen any more than any other DHT derivative does. There's every possibility his libido issues are from TOO MUCH estrogen as much as from not enough. In fact if he drew a serum E2 I would bet it's high.

What are you talking about? Nolva is used to REVERSE gyno; it binds very strongly to breast tissue, so that wouldn't be an issue.

Also, stano (DHT) doesn't aromatize. All his estrogen is from his own test production now

 

[stann123]

What are you talking about? Nolva is used to REVERSE gyno; it binds very strongly to breast tissue, so that wouldn't be an issue.

Also, stano (DHT) doesn't aromatize. All his estrogen is from his own test production now

Nolva does not reverse gyno..

 

[oliverduke]

Hmm this is getting even more confusing now with so many conflicting opinions...

How i see it.

Iv ran a non aromatising mild compound
A normal nolva PCT should suffice
Iv had limp dick since using Erase (causation//correlation)

Nolva is binding any excess estro I have so no gyno can occur, when i stop nolva this estro is free to do as it pleases which dictates stay on Erase

But same time estro should be high due to compounds iv used...

So im stuck between dropping and using it

 

[Mystere3]

What are you talking about? Nolva is used to REVERSE gyno; it binds very strongly to breast tissue, so that wouldn't be an issue.

Also, stano (DHT) doesn't aromatize. All his estrogen is from his own test production now

Thought you were talking about the epi he was on. A lot of idiots have been talking about gyno reduction with epi lately.

Novla will greatly increase his estrogen. Yes it prevents the effects on breast tissue but that's dose dependent and it's not 100%. Rebound gyno is a serm effect, not a compound effect. Yes tapering the novla will help this, but it's almost certainly the cause of all gyno with non-aromitzable compounds. Yes there are other mechanisms in which gyno can occur with non-aromitizable compounds (even on cycle) but most of the time it's a PCT or after cycle serm effect. Sure the estrogen has a limited half-life but the pharmokinetics of estrogen and other fat soluble compounds isn't that simple. It has a huge volume of distribution and can have apparent increases in half life through fat solubility. This is the reason why detection times for steroids are much longer than you'd expect. For example, winstrol has a detection time of 3 weeks and a half life of 8 hours. 5 half lives is a bit less than 2 days, when it would become non-therapeutic. 63 half lives would result in a concentration of 2 x 10 -16 which is obviously not detectable, so obviously the concentration isn't decreasing in a purely linear manner. This is due to increased volume of distribution and fat solubility leading to plasma concentrations staying elevated longer than expected.

 

[Mystere3]

Nolva does not reverse gyno..

It is actually indicated for reversing gyno so it can. Ralox is better though.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Nolva does not reverse gyno..

If you search it, some mild cases have been resolved.

Either way, you won't develop gyno while taking it, unless it's bunk

 

[TaylorSwift]

What if he started Erase a few days before his last dose of Nolva? Erase doesn't kill estrogen anyways.

 

[Peppers]

Let this thread die lol

I think were all confused here except 1 person and myself included have to do a bit more research on certain issues.

I'll admit it lol

 

[oliverduke]

What if he started Erase a few days before his last dose of Nolva? Erase doesn't kill estrogen anyways.

if erase doesn't kill estrogen is shouldn't have gave me limp dick in theory...

Seeing as iv started it i think I'm better off continuing it or dropping it completely...

 

[oliverduke]

Let this thread die lol

I think were all confused here except 1 person and myself included have to do a bit more research on certain issues.

I'll admit it lol

I'm even confused on who this person is i should be listening too now haha...

 

[Mystere3]

Honestly in the grand scheme of things, erase isn't going to make much difference so if you don't like how it makes you feel stop taking it.

That being said, you should definitely have another AI at least in hand; formeron, aromasin, arimidex, letro would all be better than erase. You don't necessarily have to take it but you should have it ready.

 

[oliverduke]

Honestly in the grand scheme of things, erase isn't going to make much difference so if you don't like how it makes you feel stop taking it.

That being said, you should definitely have another AI at least in hand; formeron, aromasin, arimidex, letro would all be better than erase. You don't necessarily have to take it but you should have it ready.

Yehh thats fair enough, i see two options... What would you choose?

A - I keep running erase (possibly just delayed homeostasis?)
B - I stop erase and use it if i get any related issues (don't really want to buy another AI that i might not need to use and also have erase left over)

 

[Mystere3]

If those are the only options I would vote 1 but I think it's a bad idea to run a cycle without having a real AI. You're going to really regret it if you get gyno because you didn't spend $40.

 

[Peppers]

If those are the only options I would vote 1 but I think it's a bad idea to run a cycle without having a real AI. You're going to really regret it if you get gyno because you didn't spend $40.

I can vouch for that. You'll end up spending more on letro n ralox, trust me, I know.

 

[oliverduke]

If those are the only options I would vote 1 but I think it's a bad idea to run a cycle without having a real AI. You're going to really regret it if you get gyno because you didn't spend $40.

Yeh i understand that but I'm not overly concerned about gyno rebound...

I ran the same PCT 2 years ago with hdrol and was fine (used Erase Pro) with no gyno symptoms at all.

I know not every cycle is the same so it could happen this time, but i think its unlikely...

All im concerned with is many do standard pct (nolva) and don't run an AI and are back to normal, i don't want to increase getting back to normal by adding another pill (erase/AI) into the mix...

But iv took my dose today so at the moment were doing option 1 haha

Plus my symptoms could be from too low estro from adding erase, in which adding an even stronger AI would exacerbate?

Sorry if it seems like I'm going around in circles, just trying to weigh up pros/cons

 

[stann123]

If you search it, some mild cases have been resolved.

Either way, you won't develop gyno while taking it, unless it's bunk

Not developing gyno and reversing gyno are COMPLETELY different

 

[TaylorSwift]

Not developing gyno and reversing gyno are COMPLETELY different

Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen: a double-blind crossover study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3526085/

 

[Mystere3]

If you ran erase pro before and didn't have issues, why do you think the erase (not pro) is doing it to you now? You know it's like 1/3 as strong right?

 

[oliverduke]

If you ran erase pro before and didn't have issues, why do you think the erase (not pro) is doing it to you now? You know it's like 1/3 as strong right?

Yeh from what iv researched original erase is the one that gave people labido issues more so... not sure why. but its not 1/3 as strong its the same dose just split up

But i see what your pointing at, maybe its not the erase...

In that case just confirms more towards number 1 and continuing with erase at 2 caps per day.

I appreciate all your advice/help even though I may not have taken it/agreed at times (I always think I'm right

 

[oliverduke]

H.

Just wanted to update to say on 3 caps a day, haven't tested labido yet (gf is away)

However my gonads have increased in size dramatically (id say bigger than pre cycle... so that can only be a good thing...)

feeling very good in general well-being too.