Low labido week 3 PCT after adding erase help

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So my labido on cycle and first 3 weeks of pct were normal

However since adding erase my labido has dropped and found it hard to get hard with the gf other night (not a good look)

Is erase lowering my estrogen too much?

Taking 2 pills of old formula per day for 3-4 days now.

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nolva 20/20/10/10
DAA 3g
Anabeta elite 4 cap ed
erase started week 3 (and thats when labido issues occurred)


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cycle was triumphalis and stano

Also from some searching looks like erase causes labido problems for a lot of users... maybe lowering estro too much?

also seen DAA can have low labido as a side?
 
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cycle was triumphalis and stano Also from some searching looks like erase causes labido problems for a lot of users... maybe lowering estro too much? also seen DAA can have low labido as a side?
I've seen guys with this issue on both DAA and erase, so yes some people are having those sides.
 

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I've seen guys with this issue on both DAA and erase, so yes some people are having those sides.
Should i lower/stop the erase? or just wait and see if it improves?
 
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I don't necessarily know the correct answer but if it were me I would stop the erase and go another route. I read a thread yesterday of a guy who had a real bad experience with erase, taking him like two months to get back right.
 

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I don't necessarily know the correct answer but if it were me I would stop the erase and go another route. I read a thread yesterday of a guy who had a real bad experience with erase, taking him like two months to get back right.
Okay thanks for the response, should i just finish the PCT without an AI to run past?

I mean before adding the erase i felt as good as normal...
 

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I wouldn't stop the erase when you're taking novla and DAA unless you want gyno. Just add a test booster like tribulus or Viagra/cialis. Low libido in pct is not at all surprising.
 

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I wouldn't stop the erase when you're taking novla and DAA unless you want gyno. Just add a test booster like tribulus or Viagra/cialis. Low libido in pct is not at all surprising.
Okay, do you think lowering the erase dose to 1 per day?

also could it be from too low cortisol levels? (anabeta + erase both lower cortisol)
 
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Okay thanks for the response, should i just finish the PCT without an AI to run past? I mean before adding the erase i felt as good as normal...
By another route I referring to a different AI, but I agree with no AI gyno is likely.
 

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By another route I referring to a different AI, but I agree with no AI gyno is likely.
Okay thanks, I think its best i either keep running erase a 2 caps and see how it affects my labido once DAA is stopped... or maybe lower to 1 a day incase its simply lowering estro too much?
 
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I wouldn't stop the erase when you're taking novla and DAA unless you want gyno. Just add a test booster like tribulus or Viagra/cialis. Low libido in pct is not at all surprising.
^^^ This. You've only gotta suck it up for a few weeks, it's part of the game. I'd rather have low libido for a few weeks than a lump for life.
 

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^^^ This. You've only gotta suck it up for a few weeks, it's part of the game. I'd rather have low libido for a few weeks than a lump for life.
Thanks again for the reply.

DAA runs out at end of PCT and erase will be carried on without DAA...

Tempted to either lower erase dose to see if its lowing estro too much...

Another member suggested stop erase all together and introduce again if high estro sides come?
 
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I personally wouldn't lower it, I'd carry out my pct as planned.
I'm assuming your running it 2 weeks past the serm. So week 5 leave it at 2 caps and week 6 go to 1 cap.
 

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I personally wouldn't lower it, I'd carry out my pct as planned.
I'm assuming your running it 2 weeks past the serm. So week 5 leave it at 2 caps and week 6 go to 1 cap.
Yes i was going to taper off so it would be 1.5 weeks 2 caps on PCT
3 weeks post or until bottle runs out 2 caps tapering down to 1...

This was the plan... (DAA would have ended end of pct, think i should keep it going alongside erase or leave it erase standalone?

Also not sure if you can help on this one.. But I'm currently running anabeta elite v1 and enjoying its effects so want to carry it on post pct...

However theres a new version (doesn't have cortisol control) not sure which one to go for.
 

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Your libido is low because your testosterone is low. You're shut down. That's what happens when you take steroids.

Estrogen has nothing to do with it, your estrogen levels are likely sky high. Arimistane is a weak AI, there's no way it's going to crush e2 to the point where you'll have low libido. Cortisol has nothing to do with it.

Under no circumstances should you stop your AI unless you want a bikini bod for the beach this summer.
 

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Your libido is low because your testosterone is low. You're shut down. That's what happens when you take steroids.

Estrogen has nothing to do with it, your estrogen levels are likely sky high. Arimistane is a weak AI, there's no way it's going to crush e2 to the point where you'll have low libido. Cortisol has nothing to do with it.

Under no circumstances should you stop your AI unless you want a bikini bod for the beach this summer.
Okay thanks, well ill carry on with the erase at 2 caps... was meant to be increasing to 3 caps tomorrow for last week of pct but think ill stay at 2 to be safe.

also iv got a feeling my estro is low, leaned out a lot (lost water weight) over past week or two
 

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I would follow your pct protocol and increase it. As I said, erase is a weak AI. Losing water weight is normal. It's not an estrogen effect. Your estrogen is much higher now than it was when you were on cycle because you have low androgen levels and because you're on a serm.
 

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I would follow your pct protocol and increase it. As I said, erase is a weak AI. Losing water weight is normal. It's not an estrogen effect. Your estrogen is much higher now than it was when you were on cycle because you have low androgen levels and because you're on a serm.
Okay ill continue with my planned PCT...

iv noted many users of erase have experienced labido loss, is it an unfortunate side effect that users deal with or is it something more sinister?
 

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You don't get it huh?

You have low libido because you're shut down from taking steroids. It has nothing to do with the erase.

It didn't happen immediately because it takes awhile for the androgens to totally clear your system.
 

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You don't get it huh?

You have low libido because you're shut down from taking steroids. It has nothing to do with the erase.

It didn't happen immediately because it takes awhile for the androgens to totally clear your system.
I get that... however

My labido issues started when i started taking erase (1.5 weeks left of pct), secondly many users reported low labido when using erase even when not in pct...So it seems too coincidental?
 
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If his Nolva is legit, at almost 4 weeks in on it, he should be recovering fine. It could very we'll be the erase, how would we know. We don't know how his body reacts to any substance.

Estrogen does play a big role in libido.
To much or to little will **** with his junk.
Erase is a garbage ass AI, weak and shown to not lower estrogen levels in some.

Idk what to tell you because I wouldn't use Erase at all to begin with.
 

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If his Nolva is legit, at almost 4 weeks in on it, he should be recovering fine. It could very we'll be the erase, how would we know. We don't know how his body reacts to any substance.

Estrogen does play a big role in libido.
To much or to little will **** with his junk.
Erase is a garbage ass AI, weak and shown to not lower estrogen levels in some.

Idk what to tell you because I wouldn't use Erase at all to begin with.
Thanks for the reply, which aligns with what I'm thinking...

Really stuck on: -

A - continuing as normal PCT plan with erase and taking labido as it is
B - Hope standard PCT set up has done the job and keep some nolva on hand incase post PCT estro issues arise...
 

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IMO blaming erase is ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room. Steroids shut you down; it's not necc clear when that happens during pct and how it affects libido. There are logs of ppl who have undetectable test but nornal libido.

Can low estrogen reduce libido? Sure.
Will erase lower estrogen levels significantly when you're on a serm? Very unlikely.

One other option is to replace erase with formeron which I would have done anyways.

If his Nolva is legit, at almost 4 weeks in on it, he should be recovering fine. It could very we'll be the erase, how would we know. We don't know how his body reacts to any substance.

Estrogen does play a big role in libido.
To much or to little will **** with his junk.
Erase is a garbage ass AI, weak and shown to not lower estrogen levels in some.

Idk what to tell you because I wouldn't use Erase at all to begin with.
 

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One other option is to replace erase with formeron which I would have done anyways.
Why would you suggest that? its not as if we can say the erase isn't working?

Would also be a waste of a tub of erase
 
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Thanks for the reply, which aligns with what I'm thinking... Really stuck on: - A - continuing as normal PCT plan with erase and taking labido as it is B - Hope standard PCT set up has done the job and keep some nolva on hand incase post PCT estro issues arise...
You could just stick to your original plan and hope for the best.

You could switch AI"s as suggested by someone earlier.

You could keep your Nolva in Hand if estrogen issues arise, but that's not going to help you because it will only create more estrogen and keep it from binding, it's not going to reduce it.

If erase is messing with you, get rid of it, switch to another AI or take something for your libido like suggested, such as cialis.

Erase is weak, formeron would be better or aromasin, but aromasin might not help your junk either.
 

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Erase is weak, formeron would be better or aromasin, but aromasin might not help your junk either.
Thanks for the reply, I'm not entirely sure strength of the AI is the issue?

Is formeron still non-suicidal? or does it require tapering
 

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Why would you suggest that? its not as if we can say the erase isn't working?

Would also be a waste of a tub of erase
Because erase sucks; it's not a good AI and I wouldn't trust it to prevent gyno really.
 

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Because erase sucks; it's not a good AI and I wouldn't trust it to prevent gyno really.
Okay, also have to remember i ran a non aromitising compound thats fairly mild..

Secondly a lot of people don't even bother with an AI post PCT
 

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Your options:

1) deal with it

2) get cialis/Viagra

3) replace your AI with a different one

At this point I'd lean towards 1/2.

All AIs have to be tapered, suicidal or otherwise. Formestane is suicidal.
 
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Okay, also have to remember i ran a non aromitising compound thats fairly mild.. Secondly a lot of people don't even bother with an AI post PCT
Doesn't matter, you can still get rebound from the serm if you don't taper correctly.
 
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Your options: 1) deal with it 2) get cialis/Viagra 3) replace your AI with a different one At this point I'd lean towards 1/2. All AIs have to be tapered, suicidal or otherwise. Formestane is suicidal.
End of thread on that note.
 

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Your options:

1) deal with it

2) get cialis/Viagra

3) replace your AI with a different one

At this point I'd lean towards 1/2.

All AIs have to be tapered, suicidal or otherwise. Formestane is suicidal.
Thanks, i agree with option 1/2 and ill look into 3.
 

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Okay, also have to remember i ran a non aromitising compound thats fairly mild..

Secondly a lot of people don't even bother with an AI post PCT
Yeah a lot of people get "rebound gyno" "from epi" too.

The reason this happens is multifactorial but generally:

1) serms increase estrogen, a lot. That's how they restart the hpta, blocking the effects of estrogen on target tissues which causes the body to up regulate the hpta and make a lot more. When you taper or stop the novla, there's a bunch of estrogen around so...

2). Ppl take daa in PCT which increases both estrogen and test.
 
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Yeah a lot of people get "rebound gyno" "from epi" too. The reason this happens is multifactorial but generally: 1) serms increase estrogen, a lot. That's how they restart the hpta, blocking the effects of estrogen on target tissues which causes the body to up regulate the hpta and make a lot more. When you taper or stop the novla, there's a bunch of estrogen around so... 2). Ppl take daa in PCT which increases both estrogen and test.
We're going back to this?

So what are you saying?

Hypothetically let's say your not shutdown on Epi and don't need a reboot.

Are you saying you won't have any rebound from estrogen coming off of Epi and there would be no need for an AI or serm?
 
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Thanks for the link.
Point taken, but the only question I have is, his bloods were drawn on day 3 & 10. Then again I'm assuming on day 17 after 7 days on clomid.

That's a little early to determine how he is going to react 1-3-6 months down the line.

There is no telling if he will end up with elevated e2 levels further on down the line, hypothetically again if the clomid wasn't raising his levels.
 

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Hmm interesting link but bloods were drawn very soon after cycle...

Ill continue the erase anyhow a 2 per day, should i attempt 3per day final tomorrow for final week of pct? I'm thinking not
 

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bloods were drawn on day 3 of pct, 13 of pct, and day 20 of PCT. Obviously his "torem" was garbage. I only use pharma for this reason.

His estrogen might go up but it's certainly going to be because of HPTA stimulation from the clomid. He didn't get any "rebound" from stopping epi in 10 days. Any therapeutic level of epi will clear your body after 5 half lives (40 hours). Let's be conservative and give it 20 half lives (160 hours) That's a week. 13 days is twice that long. If he was going to have "rebound" he'd have it by then.
 

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you can do whatever you want, I'd just keep it but if you're going to drop it you should start formeron or another AI first.
I'm going to continue... i wonder if half of it was just in my head anyway (labido issue)
 
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bloods were drawn on day 3 of pct, 13 of pct, and day 20 of PCT. Obviously his "torem" was garbage. I only use pharma for this reason. His estrogen might go up but it's certainly going to be because of HPTA stimulation from the clomid. He didn't get any "rebound" from stopping epi in 10 days. Any therapeutic level of epi will clear your body after 5 half lives (40 hours). Let's be conservative and give it 20 half lives (160 hours) That's a week. 13 days is twice that long. If he was going to have "rebound" he'd have it by then.
We'll appreciate the lesson.
 

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Haha only because i tried some internet imagery out to see if the old boy still works when the mrs's isn't home...

On another note, do you often find ejaculation volumes to be lower in pct?
 
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In on broken dick thread.

I'm with you OP. Adding some DAA and ordering Cialis.

I used aromasin yesterday just when my libido was coming back and just ****ing crushed it again.
 

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I'm with you OP. Adding some DAA and ordering Cialis.
Im already using DAA but pretty sure it was the erase + psychology (my head****ing thoughts) that gave me limp dick...

what is cialis?
 
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Cialis = Viagra = Good Libido lol

Tadafill is the name your looking for when ordering.
 

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