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montesj88

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As of today ive been bulking for about 6 weeks, Started at 197 pounds and am now between 202-203, also im just under 6 ft (havent budged in a week). Im currently on

1. Anabeta
2. Multi
3. Fish Oil
4. Divanex(Stinging Nettle Root- had tossed this aside and just found it a week ago)
5. Cissus

At the beginning of the bulk i also took "Recourse"- I didnt see too much of a difference and cannot account exactly for what changes were made with this product as i started Anabeta a few days after. Though something i did notice was a decreases in emotion when i finished the bottle...idk if it was the recourse or what was going on in my life at the time...but yah i was emotional lol

Ive accumulated roughly 5-6 pounds on this bulk (not sure how much of it was fat but before i started i was at 12.9% which is the lowest ive ever been in my life as ive always been pretty large, 245 pounds at one point).

My goal: Transition into a lean bulk and go until April and at that point ill decide if i want to cut or continue on with the lean bulk

What i need: Suggestions! Ive taken a ton of supplements and have gotten great results...but the results have been tapering off and now gains have decreased vastly. So, if there was that one supp or one supp stack that truly worked for you then i want to hear about it. Ive been holding off on AAS and PH's and to this day still have not taken any...I decided a while back that i was going to do an injectable cycle that my "buddy" recommended and before i could get my hands on anything i broke and dislocated a few of my ribs. Thank god, because in the past year of researching i still feel like i don't know sh1t. Anyways, so I'm trying to hold off as long as i can and make best use of all the natural supps while my body is still reacting to them.

So any suggestions on what you stacked and the results you got would be awesome.

Also i seem to be a fan of whatever cool new test boosters, growth hormone optimizers, and nutrient partitioners come out these days (And no pre-workout recommendations as i got 4 canisters of "SuperSize" by Athletic Xtreme because of their flavor mishap...i def had a come-up on those for 10 bucks each.

Any other information feel free to ask

Lastly- My goal is to put together a stack that i can log, that way i can hold myself accountable and get suggestions, constructive criticism and improve overall
 
mr.cooper69 said:
SNS Creatine Monohydrate- I got kilo's of this
SNS Beta-alanine caps- ehh

X-Factor- Ive always wanted to try this but never found a good price on it
SNS ALCAR- Looked into this before for cognitive support, didn't know there was use for it other then that
GlycerGrow- Curious as to your results with this
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The X-factor will now be on my watch list
 
Curious as to why you think beta-alanine is an "ehh" supplement? It is the second most proven supplemental ergogenic aid and has a wide variety of health benefits beyond performance enhancement. The ALCAR and GlycerGrow are part of the X-Factor stack, not to be used separately (though I do use alcar alone).
 
Sell your kilos of creatine mono to some Colombian warlords, acquire profit, then we will talk about what you need since money will be unlimited.
 
Listen to Mr. Cooper, the guy knows his stuff. Beta-alanine gives you an amazing boost to get you through some heavy lifting. I am on a stack of SNS Agmatine Sulfate, SNS Alcar, and Na-R-Ala. Mr. Cooper helped me get the right dosage on these and I've been having some amazing workouts and pumps.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Curious as to why you think beta-alanine is an "ehh" supplement? It is the second most proven supplemental ergogenic aid and has a wide variety of health benefits beyond performance enhancement. The ALCAR and GlycerGrow are part of the X-Factor stack, not to be used separately (though I do use alcar alone).
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- I already had my pre-workout lined up and was under the impression that beta alanine was for that specific reason which is why i said "ehh", but nonetheless ill make it into a preworkout mix...i usually take 2 scoops of supersize so how much would you recommend adding to that? Also what is your dosing scheme for the X-factor, ALCAR, and Glycergrow?

Thanks
 
montesj88 said:
- I already had my pre-workout lined up and was under the impression that beta alanine was for that specific reason which is why i said "ehh", but nonetheless ill make it into a preworkout mix...i usually take 2 scoops of supersize so how much would you recommend adding to that? Also what is your dosing scheme for the X-factor, ALCAR, and Glycergrow?

Thanks
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There is no BA in Supersize. Take 3.2-6.4g of BA daily for several months, and try to spread out your doses. It's like creatine in that it takes time to get your system saturated.

2g ALCAR
6g GMS from Glycergrow (3 scoops I think)
4 caps X-Factor

30-40 minutes preworkout on workout days ONLY.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
There is no BA in Supersize. Take 3.2-6.4g of BA daily for several months, and try to spread out your doses. It's like creatine in that it takes time to get your system saturated.

2g ALCAR
6g GMS from Glycergrow (3 scoops I think)
4 caps X-Factor

30-40 minutes preworkout on workout days ONLY.
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- SO the ALCAR and X-factor are wrokout days only? And ill def be following your dosing scheme, thanks again
 
montesj88 said:
opinions on nutrient partitioners? and GH boosters?- I like 1-carboxy but that's the only one I've tried, do you recommend any?
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OTC GH Boosters won't alter body composition but they will give you deeper sleep. Only 1 nutrient partitioner worth it: Na-R-ALA.
 
montesj88 said:
opinions on nutrient partitioners? and GH boosters?- I like 1-carboxy but that's the only one I've tried, do you recommend any?
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1-carboxy is amazing for sleep benefits I haven't gotten any since it came back out. But I used to by a lot of it and cap the heck out it so have a nice size stash of it. Deep sleep, without the foggy groggy feeling I have got with other products. If bulk 1 carboxy works for you I say stay with it just remember take sometime off of it also.
 
PrepNwa23 said:
1-carboxy is amazing for sleep benefits I haven't gotten any since it came back out. But I used to by a lot of it and cap the heck out it so have a nice size stash of it. Deep sleep, without the foggy groggy feeling I have got with other products. If bulk 1 carboxy works for you I say stay with it just remember take sometime off of it also.
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Yah i got to try it for the first time when they re-released it a few months back. The sleep i got from it was nothing short from amazing. Im going to run it again when midterms come around seeing as i will be needing to be running on a couple hours of sleep less.
 
chedapalooza said:
Hey mr.coop&natty-

Thoughts on Erasepro, anabeta elite, and endosurge during a cut/recomp
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Throw in some DAA with erase pro I think. I have never used endosurge, but everyone on here seems to like it.
 
chedapalooza said:
Hey mr.coop&natty-

Thoughts on Erasepro, anabeta elite, and endosurge during a cut/recomp
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Throw in some DAA with erase pro I think. I have never used endosurge, but everyone on here seems to like it.
 
NuclearLaunch said:
Throw in some DAA with erase pro I think. I have never used endosurge, but everyone on here seems to like it.
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I'm on daa right now for the 2nd time and it's making me hold water even with erase. The first time I ran it was stand alone N the water retention was much worse. I wouldn't use it again except for a bulk but definitely never again Without and Ai.. I have not used endo either but yes everyone likes it so I wanna try it, solid ingredient profile, definitely know it goes well with Erasepro but not sure what the science guys think about the addition of anabeta elite, I know regular anabeta wouldn't be a problem. (so glad my iPhone doesn't autocorrect anabeta to some random word anymore ;) )
 
nattydisaster said:
Congrats on 6lbs in 6 weeks natural!

Perhaps your gains are beginning to taper because you need to up your cals to fit your 6lb heavier self
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Thank you. You know i was talking it over with one of the trainers in my gym today and we had both come to the conclusion that i was clearly not eating enough. My macros were kept in around 3500 cals. I guess i was a bit freaked out at the idea of putting on fat and kept the cals a bit too low throughout the bulk. Also i ate the same types of food that i was eating in my cut but just plenty more of it. For the next couple weeks im going to up the calories to about 4000 and see what happens, also switch out some of the chicken and lean beef for steak and whatever else is on sale at the grocery store.
 
chedapalooza said:
Bump on this
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I'm not Cooper or Natty and can't speak to endosurge, but Erase and AnaBeta are great for a cut, bulk, or recomp:) The pro versions are going to take it to a whole other level. I would recommend both and use your diet and training to direct your goals.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I'm not Cooper or Natty and can't speak to endosurge, but Erase and AnaBeta are great for a cut, bulk, or recomp:) The pro versions are going to take it to a whole other level. I would recommend both and use your diet and training to direct your goals.
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Yea I'm not concerned w those working together lol, just the addition of endosurge
 
Endosurge would be a lot more beneficial with DAA. I wouldn't use it unless you are using a dedicated Tbooster alongside it (higher free test -> lower total test), and since you're not, I'd use Erase (no need for Pro), Anabeta (elite if you can find it), and a different tbooster (if you don't want DAA, check out Bioforge Pro Max or Triazole.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Endosurge would be a lot more beneficial with DAA. I wouldn't use it unless you are using a dedicated Tbooster alongside it (higher free test -> lower total test), and since you're not, I'd use Erase (no need for Pro), Anabeta (elite if you can find it), and a different tbooster (if you don't want DAA, check out Bioforge Pro Max or Triazole.
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Interesting. So endosurge wouldn't just free up my natural test?

What would be the reason for using pro over regular erase?
 
chedapalooza said:
Interesting. So endosurge wouldn't just free up my natural test?

What would be the reason for using pro over regular erase?
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It certainly would free up your testosterone and it is perfectly effective solo, but I feel it is more effective when combined with another testboosting ingredient. Likewise with L-Dopa.

There isn't a reason to use pro over regular Erase; I said use the normal version. The cost:benefit for pro really swings towards your favor in PCT.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
There isn't a reason to use pro over regular Erase; I said use the normal version. The cost:benefit for pro really swings towards your favor in PCT.
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for real....I picked up regular Erase for everything non-PCT and Erase Pro for PCT from now on....came to the same conclusion, and it saved me tons of money which was another determining factor I must admit :D
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It certainly would free up your testosterone and it is perfectly effective solo, but I feel it is more effective when combined with another testboosting ingredient. Likewise with L-Dopa.

There isn't a reason to use pro over regular Erase; I said use the normal version. The cost:benefit for pro really swings towards your favor in PCT.
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I see. I just have 3 bottles of pro on hand.. So o figured I would use then considering I don't ever go "on"...

Would anabeta elite+pro+endorsurge be a waste of money or be counter productive? (the higher free test/lower total test thing u Said scared me now) would it be better to use something like below instead of endorsurge in thst stack? I'm looking to
Boost test and and lower estrogen, and the hardening effects from anabeta..


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The pictured product looks next to worthless. I think your stack is overkill. Erase Pro + anabeta elite is enough, no need for anything else.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The pictured product looks next to worthless. I think your stack is overkill. Erase Pro + anabeta elite is enough, no need for anything else.
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Even for someone with total test in low 400's and free test 73.5?
 
chedapalooza said:
Even for someone with total test in low 400's and free test 73.5?
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Yes. I know you're a huge fan of stacking a lot of stuff (and I don't blame you), but neither Anabeta nor Erase is a dedicated testbooster. If the goal is to elevate testosterone, drop the Anabeta and replace it with Activate Xtreme, Triazole, Bioforge Pro Max, etc...
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Yes. I know you're a huge fan of stacking a lot of stuff (and I don't blame you), but neither Anabeta nor Erase is a dedicated testbooster. If the goal is to elevate testosterone, drop the Anabeta and replace it with Activate Xtreme, Triazole, Bioforge Pro Max, etc...
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Alright thanks man
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Yes. I know you're a huge fan of stacking a lot of stuff (and I don't blame you), but neither Anabeta nor Erase is a dedicated testbooster. If the goal is to elevate testosterone, drop the Anabeta and replace it with Activate Xtreme, Triazole, Bioforge Pro Max, etc...
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Could I do erase, anabeta, activate extreme?
 
chedapalooza said:
Could I do erase, anabeta, activate extreme?
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You sure could, just be sure to stagger it.

Weeks 1-2: AX
Weeks 3-4: AX + Erase
Weeks 5-6: Erase + Anabeta
Weeks 7-8: Anabeta

The nice thing about this approach is that when your run is over, you can hop right back on AX or another tbooster since anabeta is nonhormonal.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You sure could, just be sure to stagger it.

Weeks 1-2: AX
Weeks 3-4: AX + Erase
Weeks 5-6: Erase + Anabeta
Weeks 7-8: Anabeta

The nice thing about this approach is that when your run is over, you can hop right back on AX or another tbooster since anabeta is nonhormonal.
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K, nice.. How come I wouldn't wanna just stack all 3 for 4 weeks though? This is where I'm confused.. Sorry
 
chedapalooza said:
K, nice.. How come I wouldn't wanna just stack all 3 for 4 weeks though? This is where I'm confused.. Sorry
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People on this site and BB.com love to do that, but it's honestly a waste. You have to accept diminishing returns and move on....you are getting less bang for your buck by stacking a bunch of products, unless there are demonstrated complementary benefits (i.e. L-DOPA + DAA). Of the three products you listed, there is no "synergy."
 
mr.cooper69 said:
People on this site and BB.com love to do that, but it's honestly a waste. You have to accept diminishing returns and move on....you are getting less bang for your buck by stacking a bunch of products, unless there are demonstrated complementary benefits (i.e. L-DOPA + DAA). Of the three products you listed, there is no "synergy."
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Got it. Well thanks as always. I feel bad peppering u with questions every other month lol. As I plan and learn and rearrange cycles, I need some sort of knowledgable reliable source to verify my crazy ideas with haha. Which bring me to my last question tonight!

I saw on nutra an erase+endosurge stack.. But now it's gone.. Idk why.. But is that a safe/effective stack? Could I add endosurge to That? Bc recourse is daa based test booster
 
^^^ I'm concerned bc the recourse write up talks about regulating estrogen, and I saw the Diiondlylmethan powder.. I had a bad experience using leviathan reloaded (label reads DIM) and erase at the same time... I feel like it lowered estrogen too much..are DIM and diindo.. The same thing?
 
chedapalooza said:
^^^ I'm concerned bc the recourse write up talks about regulating estrogen, and I saw the DIM. I had a bad experience using leviathan reloaded (dim) and erase at the same time... I feel like it lowered estrogen too much..
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I assume you meant recourse + erase stack. That is fine.

The prior negative interaction wasn't the DIM, but rather the woeful stim blend of caffeine, methyl-pea, l-dopa, yohimbine, hordenine, and methyl-tyramine....which, when combined, will create a strong pressor effect and is overall a terrible stim blend.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I assume you meant recourse + erase stack. That is fine.

The prior negative interaction wasn't the DIM, but rather the woeful stim blend of caffeine, methyl-pea, l-dopa, yohimbine, hordenine, and methyl-tyramine....which, when combined, will create a strong pressor effect and is overall a terrible stim blend.
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Yes recourse+erase, and hopefully endosurge to work in synergy with the daa!? Lol
 
mr.cooper69 said:
People on this site and BB.com love to do that, but it's honestly a waste. You have to accept diminishing returns and move on....you are getting less bang for your buck by stacking a bunch of products, unless there are demonstrated complementary benefits (i.e. L-DOPA + DAA). Of the three products you listed, there is no "synergy."
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I agree with the schedule you presented if the goal is to spread everything out in hopes of repeating the cycle over and over, but I don't agree that running all 3 is a "waste." They do complement each other and work synergistically. There is no overlap or redundancy there.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I agree with the schedule you presented if the goal is to spread everything out in hopes of repeating the cycle over and over, but I don't agree that running all 3 is a "waste." They do complement each other and work synergistically. There is no overlap or redundancy there.
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They do not work synergistically (1+1=3). It is not a waste in that it has ZERO benefits, but you are definitely getting diminishing returns. A different MOA for the same goal doesn't necessarily mean that you will benefit from each supplement to the fullest extent possible if you run them all at once. Staggering lets you a. prolong the run with essentially equal benefits, b. experience each supplement individually so you can tell what works for you, and c. gets you the best bang for your buck.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
There isn't a reason to use pro over regular Erase; I said use the normal version. The cost:benefit for pro really swings towards your favor in PCT.
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To opt to not use Pro in PCT doesnt make sense to me, as this takes away the entire ER inhibiting aspect that PCTs are formed around.

There are numerous members here who have run 3 caps Erase and have now run 1 cap Erase Pro and will tell you they are two different beasts. Dont believe everything you might read on other forums ;)
 
nattydisaster said:
To opt to not use Pro in PCT doesnt make sense to me, as this takes away the entire ER inhibiting aspect that PCTs are formed around.

There are numerous members here who have run 3 caps Erase and have now run 1 cap Erase Pro and will tell you they are two different beasts. Dont believe everything you might read on other forums ;)
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In that post that you quoted, I actually advocated using the Pro version in PCT ;).

As for other forums, I've been here much more than BB.com as you know. I'm merely going off of what I read on the label.
 
yeah he advocated Erase on cycle/off time and Erase Pro PCT....which I totally agree with....its cheaper to use original Erase all the other times, and seems like a waste to use something SERM like in a non-PCT protocol (especially if its expensive). plus did I say it was cheaper to use HIGH doses when using Erase vs Erase Pro? :D I just buy a bunch of regular Erase and take 5-6 a day.......plan to use the Erase Pro again alongside clomid in PCT though.
 
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