Looking For Serious Advice On My First PH Cycle

I'm somewhat new to really getting into the ProHormone world, ive been in supplements, training and nutrition for almost 10 years and heard a little bit here and there from good friends who juiced and became monsters but my question is whats up with some of these supplements that got 4 or 5 freaking PH's, is that just for some balls to the wall guys or is it actually a smart way to go for advanced guys??
 
Not smart at all... Most of those companies are trying to hook guys on their products like it has more stuff so it is better! BS they aren't... Most of the time they are underdosed and you don't need 4-5 phs to get big. Use one compound and eat/train right and the results be great. Some phs/DS are obviously more powerful and give you better results, but no need to but those 4-5 stacked ones
 
And half of the PH's they put together make no sense with each other. When stacking you kind of want 2 compounds that compliment each other. Maybe one works one way and the other works another way so you run them together to maximize the effects of both. As ABE said, under dosing 4 random PH's that have no synergy is just asking for more side effects. And when you individualize a stack, you can up or lower the dose of each one to suit your body. When they're all lumped into 1 pill, you have no control of the individual compounds. They just sound good to the uneducated consumer.
 
That's understandable, but when I see like 5 or 6 in one, even if ones wet and ones dry is there different properties they each exhibit besides that for someone to want 4 or 5 of them rather then just doin a bigger dose of 2?
 
Only guys that want 4-5 in one product are usually new guys that have no idea what they are picking up. It is better to buy the compounds seperate if you wish to stack so you can adjust the dosing... Anabolic use isn't a race, but a marathon. You need to figure out which ones you can handle and what ones give you sides.
 
jhobbs83 said:
That's understandable, but when I see like 5 or 6 in one, even if ones wet and ones dry is there different properties they each exhibit besides that for someone to want 4 or 5 of them rather then just doin a bigger dose of 2?
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All gimmick. Taking 15 mg Sten, 30 mg Epi, 45 mg LMG, 50 mg Halo still wouldn't be a good as 30mg of Msten and 100mg Trest.
 
Oh when I said that about the spawn stack I was totally joking around Hahahaha.

I would never run all those at once. Some people are running all these bulking and cutting hormones at once.

Honestly if you are going to run a cycle, run it with one goal in mind.

If you want to put on mass msten. If you want recomp halo... You want to shred tren ect... I mean bridge at worst... IMO

people get impatient and think that all gains need to be made in one cycle
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Tren + msten sounds good. Tren is pretty good for size and strength.
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Yeah like I plan on running an epi tren in May or June. But I wouldn't take a.product that was 10mg epi 10mgs tren in one pill.

I had a
Guy at a supplement store that was
Pretty big but was all like yeah stacking is always better and naming ridiculous stacks of just methylated prohormones that made my liver hurt listening
 
nbshazeezee said:
Yeah like I plan on running an epi tren in May or June. But I wouldn't take a.product that was 10mg epi 10mgs tren in one pill.

I had a
Guy at a supplement store that was
Pretty big but was all like yeah stacking is always better and naming ridiculous stacks of just methylated prohormones that made my liver hurt listening
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Sounds like a scumbag. Crazy that people recommend stuff like that
 
yates84 said:
Sounds like a scumbag. Crazy that people recommend stuff like that
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That's the same guy who convinces 16-18 yo highschool football players to take PH
And says there is no side effects

Tells them all they need is organ support, one bottle of the prohormone and one OTC pct

Literally I see it so much. 17 yo coming in and buying tren and deca not knowing th first thing about what it converts to or why their nipples are leaking after three weeks
 
Yeah I know what methyl tren is, it is the worst anabolic out there IMO .. Irreversible damage to organs, at least that is what I have heard
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Yeah I know what methyl tren is, it is the worst anabolic out there IMO .. Irreversible damage to organs, at least that is what I have heard
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Dermal tren and msten sounds like a fun run :)


I have a weird obsession with dermals though. I feel like they work like a ****ing charm
 
Yeah it does sound like a good run, but idk if I. Can deal with insomnia.. If I end up having sleep issues I would drop tren. That is one of those sides that I don't play with, I need my sleep.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Yeah it does sound like a good run, but idk if I. Can deal with insomnia.. If I end up having sleep issues I would drop tren. That is one of those sides that I don't play with, I need my sleep.
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Also I would probably take prami throughout. Which isn't ideal

How about Tr3st and Msten ?
 
I've heard guys get withdrawals from prami. Trest and msten I think would be pretty smooth. With a good AI of course. A:A ratio on both are pretty good. I'm pumped for msten tho, hope I respond as good as my friend did
 
do you plan on running it solo? You would probably get rocking results either way.

Like i look at it this way. If you are on SOMETHING you still are gonna have an on cycle feeling with consistent gains. adding Goodies is just a plus.

and arimestane too week? same with that ****. I would hate to have to run letro or something for six weeks.
 
nbshazeezee said:
do you plan on running it solo? You would probably get rocking results either way. Like i look at it this way. If you are on SOMETHING you still are gonna have an on cycle feeling with consistent gains. adding Goodies is just a plus. and arimestane too week? same with that ****. I would hate to have to run letro or something for six weeks.
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Not sure I'm really pondering on if I want to stack anything else. But I think I might keep it basic with just msten and dermacrine as a mild test base. Classic. Not too sure on that I usually recommend form, but I have yet to run any products that I needed an AI.
 
I mean Arimestane is defintely effective 50-100mg. But I love topical form on cycle because the dryness and I can definitely feel it drying my joints and working at 50-150mg mg. 100mg is prob the sweet spot if its something the aromatizes
 
Yeah i love in the sunshine state so drying year long is my preferred life. Hah, thinking about running AI year long with small breaks in between. Going to be all over sns new inhibit e :D
 
So far May is looking like a DMZ month for me probably just that and some dermacrine.

I live in Texas But its cold as hell right now :/ but being dry is ****ing awesome. the inhibit E all summer...

SORRY for Jacking up your thread Bro! But at the end of the day I vote you run Hdrol for you first.
 
Yeah I got a full bottle of dmz here and another one about half full for summer. Damn right summer I'm going to dry out like no other :D ..live in Florida so maybe I will hit up a beach. Or visit my friend on the other coast or something..

Sorry OP hah
 
Abe Lincoln said:
Xcel like DNA is under dosed and makes like no sense. Go with above suggestions of either epistane or halodrol. Some good brands that carry those products are olympus labs and Celtic labs.

Example cycle:
Halodrol: 75/75/75/75/75/75
Cel cycle assist: instructions for dosage

Pct:
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
And/or
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
sns DAA: 3grams for 4 weeks
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Usually agree but sasquatch is the BOMB don't know if I recommend for first timer but I put on 12lb first 20 days and I had already been on cycle with other compounds

I actually think xcel manifested is one of the best bang for the bucks out the 300mg of furaz 60mg dmz 60mg epi and only 2 pills a day like I said not sure if a beginner would like it bUT ad yard Bros are a little different breed
 
Yeah def not first...

Haha

My man you are gonna like halo 50/75/75/75/75/75

Once you see those gains you will be hooked.

Do it right. And you won't be complaining about any side effects

This is literally the best website for this

These are great guys with lots of knowledge and are really patient and glad to help. You came to the right place
 
Lol! that's too funny, there is a lot of idiots out there and lazy ones that don't want to take the time to even build a naturally good physique, they just wanna take ph's, hgh and anything else they can get their hands on without even researching anything or taking precautions..
 
jhobbs83 said:
Thank you Shazeezee
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There is a lot of dumb asses that don't do any research. Like I said most of the negative
Effects can be countered with proper preparation and the things precautions are so easy to follow I just CANT understand why people don't do it.

Best of luck man and I'll definitely follow a log when you decide
 
its all good, Im enjoying reading these discussions and picking up experience along the way I really appreciate everything all these guys on here have done, I never knew there was a kickass site like this where some good dudes go and talk shop. freakin awesome
 
For sure! I appreciate it man, you guys all kick ass and im definitely going to do a log for you all and if this stuff works as good as everyone says whicvh I think it will cause ive used just simple test boosters arimistane, laxogenin, tribulus, zinc, DAA and I felt good within a week or two, after four weeks I felt ready to destroy stuff not raging just great ya know?? I CANT wait to cycle one of these ph's. if you guys know of a good AI With good ingredients that has 5a- laxogenin let me know, I love this laxogenin I felt it working right away but im having trouble finding another sup with it and other good ai's/test boosters for a good price.. also I just found a pct sup with 5mg epistane your supposed to do a cap in morning and one at night (2 servings of 5mg epistane) do you think that's safe for a PCT???
 
I would use topical formestane or arimistane on cycle for a AI if you feel like you really need it. But no on the epi in the PCT IMO. Especially if you're running a lighter cycle... Maybe run some anabeta in the PCT. And worst case scenario which I still say no is run ostarine low dose.

Nolva and a good pct support and DAA. Will be PLENTY for a halo cycle
 
jhobbs83 said:
I've Been lifting hard for almost 8 years straight, im a pretty healthy 31 year old male, currently at 5'7" and 171.6lbs, I've bulked all the way up to 191 and this was all without supplements and half the time on old junk cable machines in prison, ive recently just done a cycle of test boosters one named singularity from nutrathority which I thought was awesome with arimistane, l-aspartic acid and 5-a laxogenin, also did a cycle of nolvadren xt but it wasn't as effective, anyways I got sick a couple weeks ago and at the time I was 185 and making decent gains in the gym and now im down to 171, I really want to gain some serious bulk back hopefully jump to 195-200 I would be truly grateful, ive been researching a lot of supplements and found this sasquatch dna and a few others, my question is I would like to find a good prohormone cycle to start off with and would like it with the arimistane and 5a laxogenin and any other e and c blockers.. can I get some good feedback for a great first cycle, which products to use and a trustworthy site I can order from? Thank you.
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Bro try halo. 75mg for six weeks good strength gainzzz. It was my first methlyated ph blew me up. On cycle for me was just milk thisle pct was nolva
 
No Epistane in PCT. Str3ngth by Olympus Labs is Laxogenin. There are others, but I think Str3ngth has the best reputation. Have you narrowed down which ph you want to run?
 
Yea I'm Thinking The Halodrol or Epistane, a lot of people are saying Halodrol though so I guess that ill probablu be the one? what do you think
 
Cool im all for it! you know a good site/supplement with halo you can recommend? specially a site that ships fast! and maybe good price?
 
jhobbs83 said:
Cool im all for it! you know a good site/supplement with halo you can recommend? specially a site that ships fast! and maybe good price?
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Nutri-verse and Orbit Nutrition are a couple that I use. Look for some Orbit reps around the site that probably have a discount code in their signature. I think Orbit still has Olympus Labs products 25% off with discount code OLYMPUS25
 
Dma378 said:
Nutri-verse and Orbit Nutrition are a couple that I use. Look for some Orbit reps around the site that probably have a discount code in their signature. I think Orbit still has Olympus Labs products 25% off with discount code OLYMPUS25
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Both of these are gtg, code still works! Got an awesome deal on my next ride with that code
 
Cel Hdrol
Ironmaglabs Hdrol


Personally I like
Dynamic formulas Hstane
-people don't talk much about them but their epi and halodrol haven't done anyone I know wrong.
 
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