Long Term Clomid Use

619sss said:
HGH not HCG. Human growth hormone makes the LH hormone more sensitive so it makes more test
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Ah I see where you're coming from - usually when I see people talking about LH it's in regards to HCG because LH is pituitary analog of hCG. I think the mechanism of action of HGH on test levels it through HCG, "GH administration seems to improve testosterone production induced by human chorionic gonadotropins" , study is "The effect of growth hormone administration on testicular response during gonadotropin therapy in subjects with combined gonadotropin and growth hormone deficiencies" by Balducci et al. Sorry don't have 100 posts yet to post a direct link.
 
619sss said:
HGH not HCG. Human growth hormone makes the LH hormone more sensitive so it makes more test
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For a situation like this I feel that HCG would not be the best option as you stated HGH and low dose testosterone can do some wonderful things. I found that HCG suppresses me for some reason not sure if it was bad or a bunk as they call it nowadays. I also like to run super low dose aromatase inhibitor with Clomid citrate as an antagonist to keep the estrogen around 20 the testosterone will shoot up from my own personal experience my numbers have jumped between 4 and 600 in just 30 days with simple tweaks and dosage adjustments. Remember we are not all created the same so things will affect us differently genetics play a big part in this as well.
 
bighulksmash said:
I like it , some guys will bark its to high . But clomid at 100 makes me into a love machine . Nolva makes me paranoid.

Some guys run clomid at 25 with nolva at 10 . Npp and mast would encourage me to use both together.

16 to 20 week cycles are ideal .
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Clomid is defintely some strong stuff. Funny enough, a lot of the old school bodybuilders in 80s and 90s just came off cold turkey, no PCT. It's only pretty recently that we've had access to better science and education as well as regular blood work testing.
 
VeinNutrition said:
Clomid is defintely some strong stuff. Funny enough, a lot of the old school bodybuilders in 80s and 90s just came off cold turkey, no PCT. It's only pretty recently that we've had access to better science and education as well as regular blood work testing.
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Dorian Yates expressed this on London real. Awesome episode . Sergio Olivia was amazing along with Frank Zane.
 
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I have had a script for over 8 months . Obviously I ran a few cycles in between. But my prescribed dose was 50 mgs a day . BRUstrong
 
bighulksmash said:
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I have had a script for over 8 months . Obviously I ran a few cycles in between. But my prescribed dose was 50 mgs a day . BRUstrong
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Attachments don't work for me brother.

bighulksmash said:
I get depression around day 6 to day 15 then it goes away and comes back around week 5 to 6 . Anyone feel that ?
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Yup, have had that.
 
bighulksmash said:
It is pics of the Clomid tabs I get in blister pack .
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Attachments don't work for me either, but I'm sure it's the same as mine. 50mg scored pills. When I was on 25mg eod I'd just split in half. I'm not a doctor, so I can't really comment. I just think that given the sides, and the efficacy of lower doses, that seems excessive. Did you start out at 50mg eod with no luck?
 
BRUstrong said:
Attachments don't work for me either, but I'm sure it's the same as mine. 50mg scored pills. When I was on 25mg eod I'd just split in half. I'm not a doctor, so I can't really comment. I just think that given the sides, and the efficacy of lower doses, that seems excessive. Did you start out at 50mg eod with no luck?
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50mgs ed my test restart took 3 trys . They ordered am MRI on my pituitary everything looked fine . Post 20 week cycle .
 
bighulksmash said:
I get depression around day 6 to day 15 then it goes away and comes back around week 5 to 6 . Anyone feel that ?
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The Clomid downer usually kicks me about mid week 2 then I start getting emotionally ovewhelmed by stuff around mid week 3/4. It sucks but it works
 
bighulksmash said:
Have any of NEWER GUYS used clomid longer than 8 weeks.
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I have done several PCT's of 6-8 weeks with clomid at 25 mg/day, but nothing longer, as I never needed it.

I'm always perplexed by the guys that recommend mega dosing for a month, instead of just taking the clomid for an extra couple months and avoiding the side effects altogether.... bro-science, I guess.
 
CatSnake said:
I have done several PCT's of 6-8 weeks with clomid at 25 mg/day, but nothing longer, as I never needed it.

I'm always perplexed by the guys that recommend mega dosing for a month, instead of just taking the clomid for an extra couple months and avoiding the side effects altogether.... bro-science, I guess.
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I agree. At least, thats my current thinking at any rate.

I used to be all about "get test as high as possible MOAR MOAR MOAR!!" on PCT, but now I think that mindset is very narrow minded.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
I agree. At least, thats my current thinking at any rate.

I used to be all about "get test as high as possible MOAR MOAR MOAR!!" on PCT, but now I think that mindset is very narrow minded.
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I read a study a while back (and saw it posted somewhere here, as well) where they used 150 mg/day of clomid, and saw the responsiveness to GnRH actually go down.... that really made me realize that excessive doses could actually make things fail to work, whereas the recommended dosing from the pharma company was prolly the best...
 
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