LiveToLift will be joining the ranks of the gods (Mdrol/Andromass cycle)

mattrag said:
Wow that's is interesting. I am getting bloat. But I figured it was just cause I was on mdrol. I normally have a higher fat diet. 80-100gs a day. May have to cut back?

Anyway, good progress man? Still looking lean and ok the way to getting huge!
Let's bring in 2012 with huge results.

Hell ya Matt, what are u planning on running next cycle? Or are u undecided?
I may run some sort of bridge, so many options! I know I have to run the remaining Mdrol sooner or later. Thinking Mdrol epi bridge. Who knows. Liver may give out though lol.
 
lol let me know if you dont use it, ill send you a couple bucks for it :)

keep up the good work, glad you havent had any issue, except needing a shirt with bigger sleeves lmao j/k
 
Hell ya Matt, what are u planning on running next cycle? Or are u undecided?
I may run some sort of bridge, so many options! I know I have to run the remaining Mdrol sooner or later. Thinking Mdrol epi bridge. Who knows. Liver may give out though lol.



Well I have my next 2 PCT basics down. I have one bottle of Ultra drol, 4 bottles of sdrol, almost a full bottle of mdrol. 2 bottles of AHv2. Donno if I am going to do a Sdrol/Hdrol bridge. I probably will die though if I do that lol. I know I like hdrol. Doubt ill get the gains I got my first cycle but it was good. Depends on how much fat I put on by the end of PCT this time though to really decide what my next cycle will look like. If I am not that fat then I will probably run sdrol again haha. If I need to keep fat off I might just run a drier Ultradrol into JUST AHv2. If I am too fat I will do androLean or 11 oxo for 8 weeks. Kinda hoping i'm not too fat though... dont wanna run something that mild... haha.
 
Well I have my next 2 PCT basics down. I have one bottle of Ultra drol, 4 bottles of sdrol, almost a full bottle of mdrol. 2 bottles of AHv2. Donno if I am going to do a Sdrol/Hdrol bridge. I probably will die though if I do that lol. I know I like hdrol. Doubt ill get the gains I got my first cycle but it was good. Depends on how much fat I put on by the end of PCT this time though to really decide what my next cycle will look like. If I am not that fat then I will probably run sdrol again haha. If I need to keep fat off I might just run a drier Ultradrol into JUST AHv2. If I am too fat I will do androLean or 11 oxo for 8 weeks. Kinda hoping i'm not too fat though... dont wanna run something that mild... haha.
Yea more I think about it the less I'm thinking bridging methyl's is gonna be the way I go. By that time it will be my summer cut so I may just run the epi capped with Androhard and see how cut I can get. Rick has me convinced I need to give epi a go for sure!
 
lol let me know if you dont use it, ill send you a couple bucks for it :)

keep up the good work, glad you havent had any issue, except needing a shirt with bigger sleeves lmao j/k
Honestly I'll hold on to it, definitely will want to run SD again in the future and it is gonna be hard as he!! to find mdrol in the future.
 
LiveToLift said:
Yea more I think about it the less I'm thinking bridging methyl's is gonna be the way I go. By that time it will be my summer cut so I may just run the epi capped with Androhard and see how cut I can get. Rick has me convinced I need to give epi a go for sure!

For me EPI>SD....but everyone is different ;)

EPI would be excellent for a cut though
 
Very discouraging weigh in today and some how the feeling of being on really diminished today. Honestly not sure how this could happen. 176 was the weigh in down 2 lbs today. I did take Flex's advice and cut back on fats and dairy yesterday due to extra bloat I was carrying and it may not have been what I should have done. My metabolism is fing insane and it often times gets me frustrated. Strength was up a bit today on bicep and tricep day but I didn't feel that added motivation and strength at all. Seems like since I jumped to 20mg my gains diminished and my strength stabilized, I know what Matt and Flex will say here, 30 for the win lol :-). Not going to happen for me though, I can already tell the headaches at night will just sky rocket if I up the dose and I really don't want to find out what will happen if I make that leap. Hope I find some motivation by tomorrow, I won't be completely disappointed with the rest of this run if my strength goes up but I was sure liking the sound of 185 damn it!
 
Drink more water. Up the calories again. If that still doesn't work..............




30mg!!!!
 
Bi's and Tri's, Srt I did try the bi/tri/bi/tri theme today and it really helped out my tris as they are usually last and its hard to judge my true strength on them. Details:

Straight bar curl
1X12 65
1X10 85
1X8 105
1X6 105
1X8 95

Skullcrusher's
1X12 65
3X8 75

Incline DB curl
1X10 45 (PR)
1X8 45
1X8 40

Vbar pulldown
2X10 95 (PR on sets at 95, and I think I only got 1 set of 8 last week)
1X10 87.5
1X8 80

Reverse curl
1X6 70
3X8 60

Close grip bench
1X10 115
2X8 125
1X6 125

I did set a few PR's today so people will probably be like what the hell you getting discouraged about. My big disappointment is that in the first week I jumped about 8 lbs and my strength went through the roof so I figured going to 20mg was gonna be super human, I was wrong 10mg treated me better then 20 which makes no sense to me. I also thought my gains this week would go through the roof being that Andromass should have really kicked in now, so when I jump on a scale and lose weight and honestly maybe cutting some bloat mentally discouraged me as I dont feel as thick and "on" now. Anyone who has run know that feeling and I need it back. Going to up my carbs and let my fat intake go back to bulking and judge tomorrow. If you remember last week my chest day was insane so I'm hoping it will give me that boost I need tomorrow for chest.
 
Drink more water. Up the calories again. If that still doesn't work..............




30mg!!!!
So wish I could rep you for this but I need to spread some around first. So funny I knew this was going to come from you :-). It's getting scary to me as I almost feel like having Hdrol rush ordered and bridging to it as I know Hdrol works amazingly from experience with my body! HMMMmmmmm....
 
You know what the sick part is? I actually visually look way better today in the stomach and my abs pop out a lot more being that I lost some bloat, but my sick mind says your shrinking. Having trouble figuring out whether I want to grow or cut, when I get the bloat I feel I need to cut and when I cut up a bit my mind says bulk. Need to remember this is a bulking log/cycle and let the whole your losing your definition thought remain silent until after pct when I plan on getting shredded. The mind is very tricky and can be detrimental to setting goals at times.
 
LiveToLift said:
You know what the sick part is? I actually visually look way better today in the stomach and my abs pop out a lot more being that I lost some bloat, but my sick mind says your shrinking. Having trouble figuring out whether I want to grow or cut, when I get the bloat I feel I need to cut and when I cut up a bit my mind says bulk. Need to remember this is a bulking log/cycle and let the whole your losing your definition thought remain silent until after pct when I plan on getting shredded. The mind is very tricky and can be detrimental to setting goals at times.

Agree lol.
 
LiveToLift said:
You know what the sick part is? I actually visually look way better today in the stomach and my abs pop out a lot more being that I lost some bloat, but my sick mind says your shrinking. Having trouble figuring out whether I want to grow or cut, when I get the bloat I feel I need to cut and when I cut up a bit my mind says bulk. Need to remember this is a bulking log/cycle and let the whole your losing your definition thought remain silent until after pct when I plan on getting shredded. The mind is very tricky and can be detrimental to setting goals at times.


That is 100% true bro. Stick to the game plan whatever it may be and stay the course. Don't get caught up in the mind games of feeling too small when cutting or feeling getting too fat when bulking. It happens to all of us but the end result is what matters ;)
 
That is 100% true bro. Stick to the game plan whatever it may be and stay the course. Don't get caught up in the mind games of feeling too small when cutting or feeling getting too fat when bulking. It happens to all of us but the end result is what matters ;)
I was reading about a page back and when I went to post I see you beat me to it RICKROCK :) What you said is the truth dont let the MINDF@# get to you. I know your looking to gain and keep a tight log. But the scale can sometimes be your enemy :) I know its mine when im cutting.
 
Took the day off the gym, have to work today but have tomorrow off so I wanted to have my chest day tomorrow. I was wore out as all hell when I tried to get up at 10 this morning so I told myself catch up on sleep and hit it hard tomorrow. I like to do chest day on a day off because its not rushed and I can go a little later in the day after getting a little more energy through carbs etc. Will have a full update tomorrow.
 
Took the day off the gym, have to work today but have tomorrow off so I wanted to have my chest day tomorrow. I was wore out as all hell when I tried to get up at 10 this morning so I told myself catch up on sleep and hit it hard tomorrow. I like to do chest day on a day off because its not rushed and I can go a little later in the day after getting a little more energy through carbs etc. Will have a full update tomorrow.

Good luck !
 
You should know that the grapefruit juice extract in the AM is significantly reducing the rate of metabolism (increasing the half life) of the superdrol. So you're going to find that the results from lower mg dosages will mimic higher dosages due to this phenomenon. James Maskalyk wrote an article about how the CYP3A4 molecule, which assists in the metabolism of anabolic steroids, is interfered with by grapefruit, which is why PP includes it in AM. Based on that I can tell you that I personally wouldn't go to 30mg SD in your current cycle. Not something to worry about as much as be mindful of.

Here's another article I found, though it is obviously not published in a journal.

The Effect of Grapefruit Juice on Methylated (Pro)Hormones! by Designer Supps







GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND DRUGS

HOW DOES
GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AFFECT THE DRUGS I AM TAKING?

Grapefruit juice blocks
cytochrome P-450 3A4 and Ia2 (CYP3A4 and CYP1A2) enzymes in your intestinal
wall. Common to all living organisms, the body has evolved the cytochrome P-450
system, a superfamily of enzymes responsible for removing drugs and toxins from
the body. The cytochrome P-450 3A4 subfamily, located predominantly in the liver
and intestinal tract, is one of the most common enzyme systems for metabolizing
drugs. Most drugs are lipid-soluble or"fat-loving", so that they are readily
absorbed in your bloodstream. To eliminate these drugs, however, in the
cytochrome P450 system either breaks them down in the gut or changes them in to
a more water-soluble or "water-loving" version in the liver. The kidney can then
eliminate them in the urine. Thus, the liver,gut, and kidney work together to
prevent excessive amounts of drug and/or toxins from getting in to your
bloodstream. Grapefruit juice blocks the cytochrome P450 3A4 enzyme systems in
your gut. By inhibiting this defence mechanism, grapefruit juice may increase
the blood levels of some drugs. Therefore, you may experience adverse effects
from the drugs you are taking when taken with grapefruit juice.

WHICH
SUBSTANCE IN THE GRAPEFRUIT JUICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE INTERACTIONS WITH
DRUGS?

The precise chemical nature of the substance in the grapefruit
juice that inhibits gut wall CTP 3A4 enzymes is unknown. It has been suggested
that flavanoids, coumarin, or psoralen derivatives in the grapefruit juice could
be the inhibitors. The amount of inhibiting substance in grapefruit juice may
vary by brand, concentrations and storage conditions.

I DRINK ONE GLASS
OF REGULAR GRAPEFRUIT JUICE WITH BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING, WILL THIS AFFECT THE
DRUGS I AM TAKING?

Yes. Regular grapefruit juice is prepared by diluting
frozen grapefruit juice with normal amount of water. Double-strength grapefruit
juice is prepared by diluting frozen grapefruit juice with half the normal
amount of water. One glass of regular grapefruit juice is enough to
significantly raise the blood levels of the number of drugs.

FOR HOW LONG
DOES THE GRAPEFRUIT JUICE INHIBIT CYP 3A4?

The inhibitory effect of
grapefruit juice on CYP 3A4 can last for several hours. A recent study found
increased blood levels of calcium-channel blocker felodipine (Plendil) even when
the drug was given 24 hours after drinking grapefruit juice.

I TAKE AN
EXTENDED RELEASE PRODUCT, IS THIS ALSO AFFECTED BY GRAPEFRUIT JUICE?

Yes.
Grapefruit juice increases the blood levels of extended release preparations.
Recent studies have shown increased blood levels of extended release
felodipine,extended release nifedipine (Adalat, Procardia) when taken with
grapefruit juice.

WHICH DRUGS ARE AFFECTED BY GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THEIR BLOOD LEVELS INCREASE?

CYP 3A4 is involved in the
metabolism of many medications. When CYP 3A4 is inhibited by grapefruit juice,
the blood levels of many medications may rise. Examples of drugs reported to
interact are listed in the table below. Since many more drugs are likely to
interact, it is important to ask your doctor or pharmacist if you drink
grapefruit juice and are taking any medications.
 
You should know that the grapefruit juice extract in the AM is significantly reducing the rate of metabolism (increasing the half life) of the superdrol. So you're going to find that the results from lower mg dosages will mimic higher dosages due to this phenomenon. James Maskalyk wrote an article about how the CYP3A4 molecule, which assists in the metabolism of anabolic steroids, is interfered with by grapefruit, which is why PP includes it in AM. Based on that I can tell you that I personally wouldn't go to 30mg SD in your current cycle. Not something to worry about as much as be mindful of.

Here's another article I found, though it is obviously not published in a journal.

The Effect of Grapefruit Juice on Methylated (Pro)Hormones! by Designer Supps







GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND DRUGS

HOW DOES
GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AFFECT THE DRUGS I AM TAKING?

Grapefruit juice blocks
cytochrome P-450 3A4 and Ia2 (CYP3A4 and CYP1A2) enzymes in your intestinal
wall. Common to all living organisms, the body has evolved the cytochrome P-450
system, a superfamily of enzymes responsible for removing drugs and toxins from
the body. The cytochrome P-450 3A4 subfamily, located predominantly in the liver
and intestinal tract, is one of the most common enzyme systems for metabolizing
drugs. Most drugs are lipid-soluble or"fat-loving", so that they are readily
absorbed in your bloodstream. To eliminate these drugs, however, in the
cytochrome P450 system either breaks them down in the gut or changes them in to
a more water-soluble or "water-loving" version in the liver. The kidney can then
eliminate them in the urine. Thus, the liver,gut, and kidney work together to
prevent excessive amounts of drug and/or toxins from getting in to your
bloodstream. Grapefruit juice blocks the cytochrome P450 3A4 enzyme systems in
your gut. By inhibiting this defence mechanism, grapefruit juice may increase
the blood levels of some drugs. Therefore, you may experience adverse effects
from the drugs you are taking when taken with grapefruit juice.

WHICH
SUBSTANCE IN THE GRAPEFRUIT JUICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE INTERACTIONS WITH
DRUGS?

The precise chemical nature of the substance in the grapefruit
juice that inhibits gut wall CTP 3A4 enzymes is unknown. It has been suggested
that flavanoids, coumarin, or psoralen derivatives in the grapefruit juice could
be the inhibitors. The amount of inhibiting substance in grapefruit juice may
vary by brand, concentrations and storage conditions.

I DRINK ONE GLASS
OF REGULAR GRAPEFRUIT JUICE WITH BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING, WILL THIS AFFECT THE
DRUGS I AM TAKING?

Yes. Regular grapefruit juice is prepared by diluting
frozen grapefruit juice with normal amount of water. Double-strength grapefruit
juice is prepared by diluting frozen grapefruit juice with half the normal
amount of water. One glass of regular grapefruit juice is enough to
significantly raise the blood levels of the number of drugs.

FOR HOW LONG
DOES THE GRAPEFRUIT JUICE INHIBIT CYP 3A4?

The inhibitory effect of
grapefruit juice on CYP 3A4 can last for several hours. A recent study found
increased blood levels of calcium-channel blocker felodipine (Plendil) even when
the drug was given 24 hours after drinking grapefruit juice.

I TAKE AN
EXTENDED RELEASE PRODUCT, IS THIS ALSO AFFECTED BY GRAPEFRUIT JUICE?

Yes.
Grapefruit juice increases the blood levels of extended release preparations.
Recent studies have shown increased blood levels of extended release
felodipine,extended release nifedipine (Adalat, Procardia) when taken with
grapefruit juice.

WHICH DRUGS ARE AFFECTED BY GRAPEFRUIT JUICE AND WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THEIR BLOOD LEVELS INCREASE?

CYP 3A4 is involved in the
metabolism of many medications. When CYP 3A4 is inhibited by grapefruit juice,
the blood levels of many medications may rise. Examples of drugs reported to
interact are listed in the table below. Since many more drugs are likely to
interact, it is important to ask your doctor or pharmacist if you drink
grapefruit juice and are taking any medications.
Good info here, didn't plan on taking it to 30 honestly. I always calculate that type of a thing by how much each dose is effecting me. While taking 10 I had huge gains the first week, strength/weight, It stabilized so I went to 20 mg and haven't had many gains since that jump. In my eyes if I didn't get a boost from going to 20 then going to 30 just makes no sense. Glad I wasn't the only one that researched this though, I saw the warning on the bottle of prescription drug over doses etc and immediately googled it in the week before consumption.
 
Great chest day today, I really think that day off the gym yesterday did me good as my strength was up for 2 straight weeks on most my lifts. Set a few PR's and just kept on wanting to hit the weights. Had too much energy after the chest workout so I just randomly threw in some shrugs for the hell of it, not too mention 15 minutes of random ab workouts.

Weight=178 (+9.5)

Bench
1X12 135
1X10 185
2X5 225 (PR, loved throwing two plates up for this! :-))
1X8 185

Incline bench
1X8 155
1X7 175 (PR)
1x8 155

Decline bench
1X10 155
2X6 175 (PR)

Wide bar press machine
1X8 180
1X4 200 (Joints were crushed, felt like my muscles just inside armpits were dry as hell had to quit on these)

Chest fly's
1X6 45 (same joint problem

Pectoral machine
1X8 90
1X7 100

Shrugs (In front of bar)
1X12 185
1X10 205
1X8 225
1X8 250
1X10 205

Strength was incredible until my joints gave out. Will have to up the fish oil and water intake big time. Good pump and I was very happy with the PR's nearly across the board. Going to shoot for 235 on flat bench next week which will be an incredible increase in the few weeks of being "on", even if I only get one set of 5 I will be very happy with it!
 
congrats on the lifts bro, i need to shoot for some PR's. i probably hit a bunch too but havent really been keeping track in that sense. i wonder why your all dried out?
 
Not sure, it sucked though wanted to just keep on lifting but pain just got unbearable.
 
I remember a few years ago when I was getting my degree the store I worked at had glucosamine, chondroitin, msm, hyalauronic acid, and gla combined in one. Another included Boswelia. I'm still not sure that any of those worked out for folks. I DO know that deca and most non-androgenic progestin types work well for joint health, which leads me to believe something with progesterone receptor affinity like trenazone might help with the pain you're describing. Almost as an as-needed joint health product more than pure anabolic agent. Then again, sometimes keeping things simple helps. Something to think about for future cycles if you happen to have some 19-nor stuff lying around.
 
I remember a few years ago when I was getting my degree the store I worked at had glucosamine, chondroitin, msm, hyalauronic acid, and gla combined in one. Another included Boswelia. I'm still not sure that any of those worked out for folks. I DO know that deca and most non-androgenic progestin types work well for joint health, which leads me to believe something with progesterone receptor affinity like trenazone might help with the pain you're describing. Almost as an as-needed joint health product more than pure anabolic agent. Then again, sometimes keeping things simple helps. Something to think about for future cycles if you happen to have some 19-nor stuff lying around.
Thanks bro, will have to look into it as I also suffered from this during my hdrol run. Its mainly in my shoulders and chest area that is affected.
 
Thanks bro, will have to look into it as I also suffered from this during my hdrol run. Its mainly in my shoulders and chest area that is affected.

Try USP super cissus and CL orange triad multivits ;) I have had joint problems my whole life (bad genetic traits from the old man). As well as zero i said 0 cartilage in my knees yes bone on bone found that out playing soccer as a little kid hence why I hate cardio! That combo is the only thing that has been working for me for about that last year.
 
There is nothing better than Cissus for joints IMO. Extra fish oil, glucosamine, and MSM will help too ;)
 
Back day, set a few PR's today which is a nice boost considering the feeling I've had lately. Can't really explain it too well but I'm definitely not liking this cycle nearly as much as I thought I would. It seems to be missing the peace of mind that I found with the Hdrol run I had six months back, lost motivation, and the gains feel as if they are going to be hard as hell to keep. Don't get me wrong I'm definitely going to give it my all through the rest of this run just crazy I don't feel incredible with the strength gains I've had. Guess it may be lethargy or something... Details:

Lat pd wide
1x10 140
1x8 160
1x6 180 (PR)
1x8 162.5

Bent over BB rows
1x12 135
1x10 155
1x8 175
1x7 185 (PR)
1x10 135

Seated row bar (both arms)
1x12 180
1x10 200
1x8 220
1x8 200

Deadlifts
1x12 135
1x8 225
1x7 245
1x6 255 (PR)
1x7 225

Low row bar (both arms)
1x10 180
1x10 200
2x7 210

Couldn't quite find the energy today but still put up some good PR's. Thought that I would have a bad day in the gym as the motivation just wasn't there but surprisingly went in and killed it. Weight is still about 10 lbs up. Appetite has been insane these last few days so I thought I would have gone up some but oh well maybe 10 lbs is gonna be the cut-off on this one.
 
On a side not I did place my order today for RV2 and Plcar, the RV2 I ran in my past pct and it worked incredibly so I figure why not stay with whats known to work for me. The plcar I will start to take immediately to try and fight the lethargy/mental fatigue I have this past week. Anyone know if it is fine to run the plcar during cycle? As far as blood pressure concerns etc go?
 
Killed legs today with a 15 minute cap of abs. Strength was up slightly today but more notably energy felt really good in the gym, every set was feeling pretty easy and my legs felt really fresh. Weight is maintaining and diet is still through the roof. Slight acne is still on my back and arms, nothing too bad or out of the ordinary though. Headaches are fewer and farther between and strength keeps on climbing which makes me very happy! I will try to post 3 week progress pics tomorrow. Details:

Squats
1x10 185
1x8 205
1x7 225
1x6 230 (PR)

Leg press
1x15 270
1x12 360
1x8 450
2x7 510 (PR)
1x10 410

Calf extensions
3x12 180
1x10 200
1x10 210

Leg press
2x8 140
1x6 150

It was tough to walk to the car after this workout, really crushed legs today. Very happy with these strength increases. I'm also down to my last few days of the AM V2 and am excited to be starting the V3 up as I hear it doesn't cause as much lethargy. Anyone care to elaborate the differences?
 
PRing in Bench, Deads and Squats in back to back to back workouts feels good doesn't it. It tells me you're giving the appropriate effort. When guys plump up but don't gain much strength I question their intensity.
 
Killed legs today with a 15 minute cap of abs. Strength was up slightly today but more notably energy felt really good in the gym, every set was feeling pretty easy and my legs felt really fresh. Weight is maintaining and diet is still through the roof. Slight acne is still on my back and arms, nothing too bad or out of the ordinary though. Headaches are fewer and farther between and strength keeps on climbing which makes me very happy! I will try to post 3 week progress pics tomorrow. Details:

Squats
1x10 185
1x8 205
1x7 225
1x6 230 (PR)

Leg press
1x15 270
1x12 360
1x8 450
2x7 510 (PR)
1x10 410

Calf extensions
3x12 180
1x10 200
1x10 210

Leg press
2x8 140
1x6 150

It was tough to walk to the car after this workout, really crushed legs today. Very happy with these strength increases. I'm also down to my last few days of the AM V2 and am excited to be starting the V3 up as I hear it doesn't cause as much lethargy. Anyone care to elaborate the differences?

I understand that the AM v3 is basically all pre-test and pre-DHT andros. The previous version had a 1-test precursor. Methyl-1-test was known for lethargy moreso than 1-test but replacing it should help some, maybe help your appetite as well. Everything I heard is that v3 gives much better results.
 
PRs all over the place! Glad to see you are killing it all over. Nice work bro ;)
 
PRing in Bench, Deads and Squats in back to back to back workouts feels good doesn't it. It tells me you're giving the appropriate effort. When guys plump up but don't gain much strength I question their intensity.
Damn right it feels good man, which makes me really question why mentally I've been shredding this cycle apart. I don't know if its just because the last cycle I had it was new to me and the gains were so new feeling or what. I am gaining strength every time I set foot in the gym so overall I'm very pleased so far, think it is just lethargy that is getting to me or something.

On a side note, struggling with numbness and irritation in my left nipple. Just my shirt rubbing against it feels unbearable and annoying at times. Should I start an AI to counteract this or just let it be, which is easier said then done...
 
LiveToLift said:
Damn right it feels good man, which makes me really question why mentally I've been shredding this cycle apart. I don't know if its just because the last cycle I had it was new to me and the gains were so new feeling or what. I am gaining strength every time I set foot in the gym so overall I'm very pleased so far, think it is just lethargy that is getting to me or something.

On a side note, struggling with numbness and irritation in my left nipple. Just my shirt rubbing against it feels unbearable and annoying at times. Should I start an AI to counteract this or just let it be, which is easier said then done...

Just noticed ur facebook msg.
Its a tough call for me...I have had that irritation before and it just goes away. But I've also had it come and stay.
To play on the safe side you could dose your nolva for like 2-3 days as an AI and see if it goes away. If you ended up picking up that Erase Pro deal you could go w that for a few days too.
The reversitol will work as an AI but if you have other options its nice to save that for pct since I'm sure you have extra of everything else.
You still have a ways left in your cycle, just really hate to see you SMASH your estrogen with too much of the AI and take away from some of your gaining potential. Some estro is needed for that.
Let me know what you're thinking.
And whatever you do don't let it eat at you mentally...just gonna make that irritation feel like its still there!
 
Hmm. I would limit use of an AI but your symptoms are pretty strong I'd say. I noticed a bit more puffy nipples, but no growth, itchiness, or irritation. Just kinda sad to look at. Hard to say, FL3X is right. Estrogen is needed to get stronger too.
 
Hmm. I would limit use of an AI but your symptoms are pretty strong I'd say. I noticed a bit more puffy nipples, but no growth, itchiness, or irritation. Just kinda sad to look at. Hard to say, FL3X is right. Estrogen is needed to get stronger too.
Will monitor it closely and use nolva if needed. First time I noticed it was the first week but it went away quickly so I counted out any gyno effect. Now with it coming back I got a bit worried.
 
LiveToLift said:
Will monitor it closely and use nolva if needed. First time I noticed it was the first week but it went away quickly so I counted out any gyno effect. Now with it coming back I got a bit worried.

Yea. I think that is all you can do really. Should he okay though. Its coming off cycle that's going to be a bit tricky I feel.
Good luck man!
 
Another great day in the gym with a bunch of PR's. It truly is awesome going in there everyday with the mind set that last weeks weight isn't enough keep on pushing! Shoulder's are rocked and strength was phenomenal, weight is down 2 lbs but I think I look cut as hell compared to a few days ago. It really is crazy that I can go to bed bloated as all he!! and feeling like I'm holding a few extra pounds of fat and wake up 6 hours later feeling cut as hell. My genetics and I have a love hate relationship.... Details

DB shoulder press
1X10 70
2X7 75 (PR)

Seated shoulder press (smith)
1X10 135
1X8 155
1X7 160
1X6 165 (PR)

Shrugs (smith)
1X12 185
1X12 225
1X10 255
1X8 265
1X5 270
1X8 225

Chin raises (need to move to barbell as they have no higher weight on weighted straight bars)
2X9 110
1X7 110

Seated cuban press
1X7 40 (joints crushed at this point)
1X8 30

Bent over side raises
1X6 40 (PR)
1X8 35

Definitely have hit more PR's in this cycle then my last but haven't gained nearly as much size. I feel good at the weight I'm at now but am really interested as to what will happen when I drop the Mdrol here in a few days. I was going to stretch it out to 4 weeks but not sure it will do much good considering I'm not gaining any more weight. Today marks 3 weeks on it so I will give it a few more days at 20mg and then decide whether I want to cut it out.
 
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Thanks guys appreciate the compliments. Feeling leaner everyday. I'm optimistic about the am solo. If I can just solidify the muscle gains and maintain this strength I will be very happy! Off day today as I'm celebrating my fiancés promotion, hitting chest tomorrow. Shooting for 235 flat!
 
Wanted to make sure I put an update on a few things. Sides are still staying very minimal, the headaches I had at the beginning haven't been surfacing much at all lately. As for the nipple irritation I went with Flex's input and did not start an AI or serm to see if it would diminish and it did. Haven't been really noticing it at all, thank god to this as it was worrying me.

Today was the first day of the V3 and I am especially excited to have started it as I hope the lethargic feeling will go away. Also started taking PLCAR to see if that will help with energy, recovery and mental focus. I'm very excited to get to the gym in the morning and see what I can do. Also as of Sunday I will be on third shift for now on so my updates will be at different times then normal and I will be experimenting working out after work instead of before, a lot of people prefer to workout later in the day rather then upon waking and I am interested to see how it will effect me.
 
Keep up the hard work.
It will pay off.
 
Wanted to make sure I put an update on a few things. Sides are still staying very minimal, the headaches I had at the beginning haven't been surfacing much at all lately. As for the nipple irritation I went with Flex's input and did not start an AI or serm to see if it would diminish and it did. Haven't been really noticing it at all, thank god to this as it was worrying me.

Today was the first day of the V3 and I am especially excited to have started it as I hope the lethargic feeling will go away. Also started taking PLCAR to see if that will help with energy, recovery and mental focus. I'm very excited to get to the gym in the morning and see what I can do. Also as of Sunday I will be on third shift for now on so my updates will be at different times then normal and I will be experimenting working out after work instead of before, a lot of people prefer to workout later in the day rather then upon waking and I am interested to see how it will effect me.

ho man! sounds like great things on are the horizon!
I am in my AndroHard solo mode now... definitely lost some size (2lbs... haha!) , muscle pumps, and feeling of being god... Monday I start PCT. I better not lose any strength or size!
 
mattrag said:
ho man! sounds like great things on are the horizon!
I am in my AndroHard solo mode now... definitely lost some size (2lbs... haha!) , muscle pumps, and feeling of being god... Monday I start PCT. I better not lose any strength or size!

Still running the Mdrol for a few more days. Hoping that beastly feeling doesn't go with it! We will have good pcts bro I know it, just keep killing the heavy lifts. You running osta this pct? Looking forward to ur pct log man.
 
LiveToLift said:
Still running the Mdrol for a few more days. Hoping that beastly feeling doesn't go with it! We will have good pcts bro I know it, just keep killing the heavy lifts. You running osta this pct? Looking forward to ur pct log man.

Very on the wall now as several people have said even low dose can be suppressive. If it is though I'm thinking I'll be okay as I have 10 weeks worth of clomid and torem and a bottle of nolva.
And three bottles of erase pro...
 
mattrag said:
Very on the wall now as several people have said even low dose can be suppressive. If it is though I'm thinking I'll be okay as I have 10 weeks worth of clomid and torem and a bottle of nolva.
And three bottles of erase pro...

If there is any suppression from ostarine, it isn't much at all. Nothing that couldn't be taken care of with a run of a decent test booster afterwards
 
Strength was incredible once again guys! Chest day and I made that gym my beotch. Weight up to 180 again yet feeling lean and looking hella cut. PR's all over the place again. Details:

Flat bench
1x10 135
1x10 185
1x8 225
1x5 235 (PR)
1x6 225

Decline bench
2x8 185
1x7 195 (PR)

Incline bench
2x6 175

Wide press machine
1x10 180
1x8 200
1x8 220
1x7 230 (PR)
1x7 235 (PR) Took everything I had to push last 2 reps

Flat fly's
1x10 45
1x7 50 (PR)

Was honestly amazed at my strength today. It blew my mind that my strength was through the roof once again. The pump today was out of control It was obvious that I was "on". Recovery time was minimized between sets and energy was high. I can't stress enough how good plcar is for these reasons. Also lethargy is almost gone since starting the V3, I've noticed a big difference just in two days of switching. Just to give you an idea of my progress, I was struggling benching 115 when I started lifting again about a year and half ago. So my confidence is insane now at where I'm at.
 
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