Liver supplement- health regime for a healthy liver

[B5150]

Ironically I brought it up 8 years ago

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/95093-arjuna-terminalia-arjuna.html

 

[Jiigzz]

I personally think you are taking the "more is more" approach here. Sorta like when someone has a muscular imbalance and they literally find EVERY exercise possible to correct it - even if you can get away with just one of the thousand.

Start with just one and if that doesn't help, then add another. But if you have stopped drinking heavily/ entirely and the reason why you needed the antibiotics has healed, you will find that your values will drop within range on their own anyway.

 

[B5150]

Many forget or don't know that resistance training and exercising can/will raise liver enzymes out of range. The act of health improvement can alter blood parameters to "perceived" unhealthy levels.

I'm not a doctor

 

[Whacked]

Ironically I brought it up 8 years ago

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/95093-arjuna-terminalia-arjuna.html

Show off


Lolol.

 

[criticalbench]

Is there a supp that contains this Terminalia Arjuna or do you simply take it isolation.

I take it solo, 500mg three X daily.

Ironically I brought it up 8 years ago

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/95093-arjuna-terminalia-arjuna.html

I love this stuff. My cardiologist mentioned it, in addition to cooper for left ventricular health.

 

[harrybrah]

I take it solo, 500mg three X daily.





I love this stuff. My cardiologist mentioned it, in addition to cooper for left ventricular health.

that all you take, or do you stack it with other things like coq10 etc ? I'll probably end up taking Arjuna solo seems very cheap and amazing benefits heart wise.

I've been on hawthorn berry for about 2 months, pretty good stuff.

 

[kisaj]

Hawthorne is great. Too much makes me lazy.

 

[harrybrah]

I personally think you are taking the "more is more" approach here. Sorta like when someone has a muscular imbalance and they literally find EVERY exercise possible to correct it - even if you can get away with just one of the thousand.

Start with just one and if that doesn't help, then add another. But if you have stopped drinking heavily/ entirely and the reason why you needed the antibiotics has healed, you will find that your values will drop within range on their own anyway.

definitely did, but alot of the stuff im taking has other benefits not just liver related. But in terms of actually liver support, i did go overkill in that regard.

However, my liver is feeling a awful lot better now. Get bloods back next week.

 

[B5150]

However, my liver is feeling a awful lot better now.

 

[harrybrah]

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lold.

 

[touchless21]

Guys I have elevated enzymes and of course the doctors don't know why.

I thought it was due to exercise and shrugged it off. 2 years later I took a test and didn't exercise for multiple days and they're still elevated.

My regular doctor ordered me to get an ultrasound, it came back "healthiest liver" the other doctor has seen. Now I've been summoned to go to a GI specialist.

My money is most likely to be wasted if I go and most importantly my time because it just seems like many doctors don't know and have become more robotic than figuring things out and understanding that we've progressed in health and fitness.

I said all that to ask, do you all think TUDCA could assist my situation? Or do would something more like NAC, milk thistle, and/Arjuna be good choices for my slightly elevated enzymes?

 

[Afi140]

I would stop all supplements and get the tests done. No sense in messing with your liver. you want to find the cause of the problem and They're elevated for a reason. What other supps are you taking?

 

[harrybrah]

I would stop all supplements and get the tests done. No sense in messing with your liver. you want to find the cause of the problem and They're elevated for a reason. What other supps are you taking?

This. Don't do what I did lol. Any one of these liver compounds could potentially react with your liver, especially if say you had undiagnosed lived Cirrohis or say hepatitis. Also, a lot of Doctor lab tests for liver are not the best. They don't provide 100% accurate unless you're at a specialist or hospital. My doctor told me this personally, however the tests are quite good. But let's say your liver enzymes are 53, this is high however if you're in good health and don't feel stuff you're fine. See a specialist / hospital if you experience abdominal pain/ other side effects of a damaged liver.

 

[touchless21]

I would stop all supplements and get the tests done. No sense in messing with your liver. you want to find the cause of the problem and They're elevated for a reason. What other supps are you taking?

When I took the most recent test I had just started taking Evomuse Brite and Alpha T2.

When I took my test a couple of years ago I think I might have been on alphamine, maybe, it was so long ago.

 

[touchless21]

This. Don't do what I did lol. Any one of these liver compounds could potentially react with your liver, especially if say you had undiagnosed lived Cirrohis or say hepatitis. Also, a lot of Doctor lab tests for liver are not the best. They don't provide 100% accurate unless you're at a specialist or hospital. My doctor told me this personally, however the tests are quite good. But let's say your liver enzymes are 53, this is high however if you're in good health and don't feel stuff you're fine. See a specialist / hospital if you experience abdominal pain/ other side effects of a damaged liver.

I believe one of my last tests were in the low 50s like that.

I also take some non stim pro's few and far between.

 

[harrybrah]

I believe one of my last tests were in the low 50s like that.

I also take some non stim pro's few and far between.

that could definitely raise your liver enzymes. About the only thing you can do is IMO( take Liv 52, known as livercare) eat clean and train hard, if your liver persists or notice any abnormal changes I'd see a specialist or hospital for immediate course of action.

From the sounds of it your liver is fine, just slightly raised.

 

[harrybrah]

When I took the most recent test I had just started taking Evomuse Brite and Alpha T2.

When I took my test a couple of years ago I think I might have been on alphamine, maybe, it was so long ago.

Supplements especially like those could elevate your liver slightly. You'd need to have nothing in your system, to be 1000% sure if your values are like that. Next liver test, take no supplements. Just food. If your levels remain 50++ then it could indicate something is slightly up, most higher liver values return to normal.

 

[Whacked]

I take it solo, 500mg three X daily.



I love this stuff. My cardiologist mentioned it, in addition to cooper for left ventricular health.

Nice

 

[scherbs]

I believe one of my last tests were in the low 50s like that.

I also take some non stim pro's few and far between.

FYI: simply training itself raises AST and ALT. Low 50's might just be from that

 

[kbayne]

FYI: simply training itself raises AST and ALT. Low 50's might just be from that

Been stated numerous times in the thread already.

 

[scherbs]

Been stated numerous times in the thread already.

And yet ignored repeatedly.
Why are guys so quick to buy (and ingest) supps they don't need?

 

[touchless21]

Been stated numerous times in the thread already.

Correct. That's what I was trying to say in my original post. How you almost need a fitness trainer with a PhD in medicine to be a regular doctor.

Doctors now days will tell a guy that is 6 feet tall, 250 lbs and 10% body fat that he's at risk for heart disease because his BMI is too high. They don't get it.

 

[criticalbench]

Guys I have elevated enzymes and of course the doctors don't know why.

I thought it was due to exercise and shrugged it off. 2 years later I took a test and didn't exercise for multiple days and they're still elevated.

My regular doctor ordered me to get an ultrasound, it came back "healthiest liver" the other doctor has seen. Now I've been summoned to go to a GI specialist.

My money is most likely to be wasted if I go and most importantly my time because it just seems like many doctors don't know and have become more robotic than figuring things out and understanding that we've progressed in health and fitness.

I said all that to ask, do you all think TUDCA could assist my situation? Or do would something more like NAC, milk thistle, and/Arjuna be good choices for my slightly elevated enzymes?

Don't do anything until you figure out what the problem is. Don't start throwing new variables into the mix. Let your physician discover the cause and treat it if need be.

 

[criticalbench]

FYI: simply training itself raises AST and ALT. Low 50's might just be from that

Correct... but people need to be more prudent in understanding if you are going for a CMP, BMP, or LFTs, you should be avoiding exercise for 3 days prior.

IMO.. this falls on the physician or practitioner writing the script. If you are writing for these tests for someone who even looks like they engage in physical activity, it takes 10 seconds to instruct them to avoid false positives.

 

[touchless21]

Correct... but people need to be more prudent in understanding if you are going for a CMP, BMP, or LFTs, you should be avoiding exercise for 3 days prior.

IMO.. this falls on the physician or practitioner writing the script. If you are writing for these tests for someone who even looks like they engage in physical activity, it takes 10 seconds to instruct them to avoid false positives.

Maybe if I don't exercise for a week, then get another test done it'll come out different. My levels were fine when I was truly overweight, weak, and didn't exercise.

 

[youngbrah]

NAC

 

[Zariph]

guys could you recommend a good liver product? looked at sns liver support, cel cycle support, or cycle assist

 

[youngbrah]

I'd reccommend research good raw ingredients and buy them separately and make your own liver support product

 

[Zariph]

I'd reccommend research good raw ingredients and buy them separately and make your own liver support product

so for general liver health, what would uo suggest...not using any prohormones or anything

 

[youngbrah]

so for general liver health, what would uo suggest...not using any prohormones or anything

For general health probably just limit alcohol and recreational drug consumption, drink water, dont take too many supplements. But other additional things to take might be NAC and alpha lipoic acid, I've always enjoyed the lipoic acid because it makes me really veiny

 

[Zariph]

For general health probably just limit alcohol and recreational drug consumption, drink water, dont take too many supplements. But other additional things to take might be NAC and alpha lipoic acid, I've always enjoyed the lipoic acid because it makes me really veiny

ok what about milk thistle

 

[youngbrah]

ok what about milk thistle

Never used it before but I've read good things

 

[criticalbench]

Maybe if I don't exercise for a week, then get another test done it'll come out different. My levels were fine when I was truly overweight, weak, and didn't exercise.

That would be my first suggestion.

 

[djbombsquad]

I use glutathione.

 

[Whacked]

I use glutathione.

Hope it's not of the oral variety.

 

[harrybrah]

LOL

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Why?

Now, rodent studies are nice, but human studies are the real deal, right? Well, luckily Aoi, et al. did an additional double-blind, cross-over study involving 8 healthy men (35.9 ± 2.0 y) who received either glutathione (1 g/d) or placebo for 2 weeks. After the 14 day supplementation week, the subjects exercised on a cycle ergometer at 40% maximal heart rate for 60 min. Psychological state and blood biochemical parameters were examined after exercise and yielded interesting results:

Evidence of decreased lactate production

Maintenance of stable muscular glutathione levels

Reduced heart rates and reduced perceived exertion & inreased vigor

Overall, it does therefore appear as if the previously doubted oral glutathione supplements could - if they are taken chronically and in high amounts - in fact be useful. All this does not change that glutathione is still not a must have supplement for all of us, though. What the results do, however, is to demonstrate that GSH supplements are not the waste of money previous studies which suggested that they were not even absorbed had suggested. In view of the fact that the subjects wer untrained and considering the role of GSH as "master-antioxidant", is is yet questionable, whether athletes and not chronically inflamed individuals are the ones who are going to benefit most from 1g of glutathione per day does yet appear to be questionable specifically in view of the fact that whey contains significant amounts of cysteine and has been shown to have glutathione boosting effects, as well (Bounous. 2000; Shute. 2004; Zavorsky, et al. 2007)

The Latest on Glutathione Supplements - Yes, They Can Work; And Yes, They May Even be Beneficial for Athletes - SuppVersity: Nutrition and Exercise Science for Everyone

 

[Whacked]

Thanks for sharing that OldGuy

 

[criticalbench]

Maybe if I don't exercise for a week, then get another test done it'll come out different. My levels were fine when I was truly overweight, weak, and didn't exercise.

I would highly suggest retesting.

 

[ddubbs]

Also may want to look at ASTAXATHIN iit is one of the strongest antioxidants and great for every organ in the body. Studies on this are amazing. Walmart sells it for 5 bucks. I take 8-12mgs a day but a lot of studies have shown killer results with just 4mgs a day.

The powerful antioxidant astaxanthin can help prevent the liver damage that so commonly occurs in patients with diabetes, according to research published in April 2015.

Most diabetics tend to have some degree of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, a condition in which excess fat builds up in the liver. Diabetes does not necessarily trigger liver disease; instead the two diseases tend to occur simultaneously, due to common causes such as obesity and insulin resistance.

In this study, researchers looked at the effect that astaxanthin (extracted from the discarded shells of deep-water pink shrimp) had in diabetic rats. Compared to controls, the diabetic rats had high cholesterol and triglycerides; decreased amounts of antioxidant enzymes such as catalase, glutathione and superoxide dismutase; and elevated levels of markers that indicate liver injury.

Researchers found that astaxanthin treatment restored all of these issues to near-control values. They concluded, “Astaxanthin may be helpful in preventing diabetic complications in adult rats by reversing hepatotoxicity.”

Reference:
Sila A, et al. Pharmacol Rep. 2015 Apr;67(2):310-6.

 

[jay1]

Get yourself 100% organic Turmeric curcumin in capsules. All round very potent antioxidant, liver cleanse, Hepto - protective, anti-flammatory , attacks free radical from dna damage, and the list goes on and on . Been on the market since 600 BC .

 

[criticalbench]

Get yourself 100% organic Turmeric curcumin in capsules. All round very potent antioxidant, liver cleanse, Hepto - protective, anti-flammatory , attacks free radical from dna damage, and the list goes on and on . Been on the market since 600 BC .

Tumeric is legit if you are willing to spend the money for a quality product.

 

[Daycrawler]

Tumeric is legit if you are willing to spend the money for a quality product.

This. Finding and paying for quality turmeric is key, lots of crap out there.

How's nurse life man btw? When's the next competition?

 

[mtmrfz]

Bumping an old thread that gave alot of good reading, is Tudca really the superior supp for liver protection? Is it a product that you need to take all the time to grasp the effect,or a 2-3 month cycle would be a god thing to run? I'm considering to invest in one product for liver support or one ingredient, and was interested in how it works out. I have Gilbert's Syndrome which doesn't really imply that I need special treatment or avoid particular medications(although pharmaceuticals for high cholesterol are not recommended), what this syndrome does it basically messes up the function of removing bilirubin from blood by your liver increasing the amount of bilirubin in the body up to 4 times the norm. So I was looking into curcumim95,nac,tudca and am interested in what y'all think

 

[jgntyce]

Bumping an old thread that gave alot of good reading, is Tudca really the superior supp for liver protection? Is it a product that you need to take all the time to grasp the effect,or a 2-3 month cycle would be a god thing to run? I'm considering to invest in one product for liver support or one ingredient, and was interested in how it works out. I have Gilbert's Syndrome which doesn't really imply that I need special treatment or avoid particular medications(although pharmaceuticals for high cholesterol are not recommended), what this syndrome does it basically messes up the function of removing bilirubin from blood by your liver increasing the amount of bilirubin in the body up to 4 times the norm. So I was looking into curcumim95,nac,tudca and am interested in what y'all think

CEL TUDCA and CEL CYCLE ASSIST and/or SNS Liver Assist XT would be perfect for you. All compounds help protect the liver and are very cost effective!

 

[mtmrfz]

jgntyce that sounds like a sales pitch,lol. As a one product what would be the best bet? Something that can last longer than one month with one purchase?

 

[harrybrah]

yates84 can help you. He has the same syndrome. Also Tudca 200mg + 1000mg of NAC and Himalaya liver care + milk thistle 150-300mg should be awesome for you bro!! That's what I would use.

 

[mtmrfz]

harrybrah Hm,never heard of Himalaya aside from their shampoos,will definitely look into it,thank you

 

[jgntyce]

jgntyce that sounds like a sales pitch,lol. As a one product what would be the best bet? Something that can last longer than one month with one purchase?

I would start with TUDCA, then if funds permit, CEL CYCLE ASSIST. It contains NAC and milk thistle among other ingredients that will help protect your liver. It is very cost effective, and at the end of the day, you want the most protection possible.

 

[mtmrfz]

jgntyce I believe that is the route I'll take,will go with tudca and see how it treats me. Will most likely do bloods before and after the run, since it is something that is needed to be done anyway. Thank you for the response