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Liquid Masterdrol - Anyone interested in us bringing it back?
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heavylifter33
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Bosses are out in Vegas doing business, but i hear from the sub-boss the mmv3 andro dose is roughly 100mg. That's not set in stone though, i need to hear from the man himself.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Doubt that as the label on the bottle of MMV3 says:
Strength Complex - 100mg:
HydroxyPropylBetaCyclodextrin
3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one
So it looks like there is 100mg between the two of those combined so I doubt there is 100mg of androsterone alone, but thanks for asking and getting back to me.
LG Sciences
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We will do 25mg epiandrosterone. That's the max that the mucosa can take at one time it would seem.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Interesting. Wonder how this would stack up with a plan high dosed oral.
oufinny
Well-known member
How is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
oufinny said:
What I was thinking
MAxximal
Well-known member
and the bottle of 240 caps :firedevil:
PrepNwa23
Well-known member
My thoughts also, i've wondered this with a few products that try to compete with how much PP's Andro series puts in their product line.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
I would say 300 at 90.
oufinny
Well-known member
Typical LG... you just go for the cheap and easy route instead of making something novel or dosing it high enough to make it attractive. There are so many more Andro products out there now that will blow that doseage out of the water... very disappointed. Everyone said MMV2 was the best, why wouldn't you just re-release that? Companies have brought back old products that customers asked for the same as they were and the fact you don't do that just boggles the mind.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Yes, especially if we are talking about the realms of competitor products. There are products out there that offer dosages of upwards of 1200mg/day AND that tout a 80-90% bioavailibility rate. Not sure if a sublingual product at 25mg will measure up at all really.....
oufinny
Well-known member
AMS, Finaflex, Iron Mag Labs, shall I continue?
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.
Do any of the companies you listed make a 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one product? Or even a 3 alpha isomer of it? Their androsterone products or 1-andro as they call it are 1-Dehydroepiandrosterone or 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one (AKA 1-DHEA). The 3 beta (MMv2/stanodrol/androhard) and 3 alpha (MMv3) isomers of androsterone convert to DHT. 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one is said to convert to 1-test.
So 1-androsterone does not equal androsterone. At least this is my understanding of it since they convert differently, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one converts more to DHT and 1- Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one should convert to 1-testosterone.
Again this is my understanding of it and I could be wrong but as far as I know there are no other companies that are currently making any if those isimers besides primordials androhard.
oufinny
Well-known member
The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Huh?
Your saying AMS 1-andro is similar to PPs androhard?
YES!
But I would prefer a oral capsule product over sublingual liquid.. Maybe its just me
PrepNwa23
Well-known member
I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-one
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Ohhh I see now.
I didnt know 1-alpha existed!
How the hell did I miss this? LOL..
When did AMS release this? I only knew about decavol, 1ad and 4ad from AMS. Is this 1-alpha a new product from them?
heavylifter33
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I don't have much of a dog in this fight as chem stuff is a bit out of my realm of knowledge. But 2 things:
First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought. The same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.
Second, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.
Food for thought.
First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought. The same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.
Second, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.
Food for thought.
PrepNwa23
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JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
what fight?
And you absolutely would "have a dog in it" (if there was one) as this is about LGs product and your a LG rep.
Not with their specific androseries products but there is a fair amount on the self emulsifying drug delivery system (AKA liquidvade). It isnt much of a stretch to think a hormone in liquidvade would have better absorbability then a capped hormone. Although I will admit superiority with regard to Liquidvade vs sublingual (with the HPB-Cycldextrin) is questionable and debatable as the evidence for both arent really concrete.
I was JUST about to ask this
But how many bottles would you need to equal the dose of the androseries. That is the question being asked. If LG wants to bring back MMv2 then androhard and 1-alpha will be their competitors and LG has to show how much absorbability their version will have so then we can compare it in price per serving (based upon the absorbability) and not per bottle. But then again all the claims, like you said will be from the manufacture. I guess it will boil down to HPB-Cycldextrin vs. liquidvade
Yea I saw that after you posted. Is this a new product from AMS?
oufinny
Well-known member
In reality it may be from the manufacturer but everything that is claimed is backed up. Everyone knows if you drink GFJ with your orals, you get much better absorption and bio-availabilty. The same goes for taking anything hormone related in the presence of a lipid or fat, again, studies show this. It is also why many OTC test boosters recommend to take fish oil with the dose, it makes a difference allbeit not a huge one.
Here is the thing, oral bio-availability of androsterone, epiandrosterone is not good, this is VERY well documented. Sublingual delivery does help but as LG said, you are limited by how much you can get in one dose. That brings the next question, how many doses can you get in a day and how much does it take to get to a sizable amount that will make a big difference? No one is knocking MMV2, I wish I got to try it to be honest I never heard a bad thing about it, I just bring up the question I did before, if it was so good then why not bring it back just like it was and add more?
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
I have never tried the old MMv2 either but like you, i have heard nothing but good things about it.
That said, the proposed 25mg epiandrosterone for this current product will probably be pretty similar to the old MMv2.
I dont know what MMv2 was dosed at but I do know MMv3 only contains 20mg of androsterone. So if the MMv2 was dosed the same way MMv3 is, then this proposed product should be like the old MMv2.
My problem is with the liquid delivery and is just a personal preference really. I just dont like it (I always feel like I swallow most of it and it doesnt dissolve all the way). If they stick with sublingual I would rather see tabs or just cap it and bring out a stanodrol type product.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Mmv2 was capped at 100mg per at 90 per bottle combined with Y and some other things.
Why doesn't anyone just come out with a fat dissolved product? Take the hormone, dump it in some oil and package it with a dropper. Better delivery, cheaper overhead, more effective. Winner winner chicken dinner.
Why doesn't anyone just come out with a fat dissolved product? Take the hormone, dump it in some oil and package it with a dropper. Better delivery, cheaper overhead, more effective. Winner winner chicken dinner.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
MMv2 wasnt sublingual tabs?
oufinny
Well-known member
Nope. That was supposed to be the improvement in MMV3, we all saw how that went.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Oh if thats the case then I definitely would like to see a capped version instead of any sublingual one.
200mg caps FTW!
jbryand101b
Banned
you are right.
you are wrong.
:thumbsup:
androsterone= 5a reduced testosterone aka dht (ultimately)
1-androsterone= 5a reduced boldenone aka 1-test (ultimately)
different target hormones.
jbryand101b
Banned
yes, this is a ph to dht.
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
jbryand101b
Banned
I think this depends on how the cyclo is attached to the compoundJudoJosh said:
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
High dosed or with a lipid carrier :thumbsup:
Blergs
Well-known member
me too!
i hope one comes out without yohimbine and il be all over it.
JeffJohnston
Member
Yes I know of a few lifters and pp that would like to see a liquid version back!
PrepNwa23
Well-known member
For sure I'd jump on quite a few bottles of this stuff especially if its liquid form.
classic34
Well-known member
I'm not incredibly fond of the name 1-androsterone given to 1-DHEA because it just confuses people. Anyhow looking forward to when/if the liquid or capsule epiandrosterone w/ no yohimbine is released because I think it will really be a hit...and we'll hopefully have the new T-911 as well for your androsterone/pre-workout needs.
JoHNnyNuTZ
Well-known member
Just thinkng about this^^^^^