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these liposomal delivery system products that come with the oral syringe, do they effect asorption rates at all?
Do you mean you actually got results w/in 10 minutes of using Nor-Diol ?I feel the Nor hit me withint10 minutes.
Sorry, hormones don't react like caffeine. If you think you can feel it then your the king of placebo's.I can feel it coursing through my veins soon after I take it in (swish it around my mouth for 4 minutes). It's like a nice jolt within about 10 minutes of it being in my system.
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If you took 900mg of oral 4AD and got nothing, then your doing something wrong. I'm sorry but switiching to liposomal delivery won't make that big of a difference with an unesterfied substance. You don't feel it quicker in your systemn and most certainly it will not effect you in 10 minutes.Since I began lipsomal last summer, I will never go back to pills if I can help it. I've gotten much better results from 4AD and Nor-Diol in lipsomal form than I've ever gotten in pill form. I was taking 900mg a day of 4AD in pill form with minimal effects. I went to lipsomal and bam-- it made all the different, felt the effects much more and made much better gains. Right now I'm taking the Nor in lipsomal form. Plus, I believe you feel it much quicker in your system. I feel the Nor hit me withint10 minutes.
I can definatly feel it. It's a warm feeling... like a foreign substance moving throughout the body via the veins. The warmth courses throughout the body. It may not necessarily be the Nor. It could be the physical makeup of the particular Nandrogen substance. But I definatley feel it enter into the bloodstream. Your post sounds like your mocking my post. It's not like I'm somekind of dumb meathead or jackass. I'm just telling you the feeling I get soon after taking this particular lipsomal substance..., and every time.Sorry, hormones don't react like caffeine. If you think you can feel it then your the king of placebo's.
I can definatly feel it. It's a warm feeling... like a foreign substance moving throughout the body via the veins. The warmth courses throughout the body. It may not necessarily be the Nor. It could be the physical makeup of the particular Nandrogen substance. But I definatley feel it enter into the bloodstream. Your post sounds like your mocking my post. It's not like I'm somekind of dumb meathead or jackass. I'm just telling you the feeling I get soon after taking this particular lipsomal substance..., and every time.
so you're telling me all those guys I knew is high school who told me that 15 minutes after they injected they could "feel" themselves going into roid rage were full of ****?If you think you can feel a substance (hormone) within 10 minutes of using it, then I am mocking your post. Thats the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard in my life, especially from a "liposomal" delivery. The physical makeup of the nandrolone substance? Do you know what hell your talking about?
Your body feels the rush of warmth from drinking hot coffee or chocolate because it is hotter then your blood and has a heating effect on the bodies core temp. Same reason you get brain freeze from a slurpee or cold chills from eating ice cream. Heartburn is caused by a completly different mechanism in the body but temp. deviations have been known to agravate and activate these mechanism and cause an onset of heartburn. Maybe you shouldnt microwave it before taking it if its causing heartburn, indigestion or sweats or chills.Instead of insulting me, maybe you should come up with a possible reason for the "jolt" that I describe. One possibility is..... that when the lipsomal is swallowed and moves down the esophagus and into the stomach, the Nandrogen creates a burning sensation similar to heartburn. Why it would do this depends on the "physical makeup" of the substance.
Then after that sensation fills the chest area, the body feels a sensation of warmth throughout the body, similar to the body feeling warmth throughout after drinking a cup of hot chocolate during the winter time.
BOBO did give you a reason for it - a placebo effect. If you want to belive it not is another story. The mind is an amazing thing and is quite capable of playing tricks on you that are imposible to tell from reality. This is nothing to be ashamed of, just how the mind works. What this means is you actually feel this effect so it is real... just not from the substance you're taking.Instead of insulting me, maybe you should come up with a possible reason for the "jolt" that I describe. One possibility is..... that when the lipsomal is swallowed and moves down the esophagus and into the stomach, the Nandrogen creates a burning sensation similar to heartburn. Why it would do this depends on the "physical makeup" of the substance.
Then after that sensation fills the chest area, the body feels a sensation of warmth throughout the body, similar to the body feeling warmth throughout after drinking a cup of hot chocolate during the winter time.
No. I have done several cycles with 7-keto as an oral, never felt anything like that. About the only thing that gave me the kind of feeling described above (with PH's or anything of the like) is cocaineSo no one on this board has experienced a "niacin like flush" from 7-Keto oral within the first hour?
Even with coke, I'm not sure you feel it in 10 seconds like he said. I can't remember for sure 'cause it been almost 20 years. That instant feeling could come from your expectations from previous experience, a heroin addict will get off as the pin pokes the skin, before anything is injected. Pavlove's (SP?) dog type thing.No. I have done several cycles with 7-keto as an oral, never felt anything like that. About the only thing that gave me the kind of feeling described above (with PH's or anything of the like) is cocaine
Dont give em anymore ideas, Please.hmn, i can see it now
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I dont know why all this bashing on liposomal prohormones..... now many people on this board and others can vouche for me and say i am not biased to any particular products, Im just very interested in mainly prohormones and helping people use the correct ones.
Now Im not going tot say that when vpx says that their liposomal formula is 99% efficient or whatever, that it is true. But I can go by what I saw as far as results.....
I took VPX 1test PC about a year ago... I took double the dose a day, since I am a pretty big guy... I took 12ccs (100mg) each day for a month and I can honestly say I experienced similar results to 250-300mg of 1test transdermally. Either vpx overdoses their product alot, or the liposomal formula works. I would guess the later, since I see no reason a company would say it only contains 50mg and it really contain 150.
I have read a few papers and studies on liposomal delivery and It interests me very much. Now I dont agree with alot of their advertising but In my opinion it does work.
The thread I referenced was about how 7-keto makes good sense in a PCT protocol.
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I've been saying that for quite some time.
This is where you guys should do some more homework. Not to stir things up more, but GoPro has nothing to do with sales. He has nothing to gain from posting on any of the boards. The dude is very knowledgeable and just likes to help out.I am entirely skeptical of the liposomal system in general, only b/c I think VPX had to have a different product on the market in order to justify their INSANE price gouging and pseudo-science. I am sick of how their reps infiltrate boards and try to call foul when consumers and real bros can understand their game and call them on it.
Ironmagazine forums is a prime example. I'm actually about to stop going there all together, mostly on the count of GoPro being completely unable to speak on anything with authority, and the board members there sucking him off like he's some PH messiah, even while his company still sells Methoxy for $100 a bottle and claims it's "better than Deca." I would post my recent immolation of his ass, but I doubt it would be anything new.
I'm not comparing 7-Keto and 1-Test at all...not even close. I wasn't saying I get size gains from it, but my strength went up while I was taking it by at least 5%. The thread I referenced was about how 7-keto makes good sense in a PCT protocol.
All I was saying was that I get a body warming sensation, like a Niacin flush, after taking 7-keto. Along similar lines, many people have spoken about the burning effects of 1-Test--on th body, in the eyes (OUCH), etc...I was just trying to find an explanation for the posters' claim that he could "feel" the 19-nor, when certainly he wasn't feeling the effects of the hormonal changes, and certainly not in that timeframe.
1. Equal? I don't tihnk so. the bioavailability of transdermal is higher.I dont know if it is much better than transdermal.... I would say they are about equal when you lay out the pros and cons of each.
Now with liposomal delivery (specifically 1test and other PH) you get a higher concentration fo the hormones delivered in your body, therefore you can use less (50-100mg). But, the levels are not sustained thorughout the day, requiring the user to administer the PH 3-4 times a day. With transdermal, we get a sustained release (which in turn sustains levels) over 12 hours, but we get less of the PH or steroid absorbed, anywhere from 20-40%, whcih requires us to use a higher dose of PH 150-300mg day.
So if you use a liposomal, and take the doses spread evenly apart 3-4 times a day, or you take a transdermal with higher doses, you will probably see similar results.
I personally liked the liposomal better, jsut for the fact that I didnt have any skin irritationan and no hassle, And I got the same results that I have gotten from transdermals.
This is jsut my opinion on how I see it, everyone is different and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
No way. I've done test base transdermal and it works very well. OTOH I know people that have used Andriol and it wasn't very god at all. Its not just me, its the medical community as a whole that agrees. Nobody in HRT uses Andriol in which if was first developed because it was so unpredictable but Androgel is still being used by many. Ask SWALE, he uses it extensively for patients. Its a far superior delivery system.I wouldnt say andriol is the same as a liposomally delivered PH.... if you tok 240mg of andriol and took 240mg of test base transdermally...
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