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Lesnar VS Carwin

I know there is a ton of usage here in TX. It's also partially because they're ignorant to what they are; I saw 1 fighter take 3-4 HD before a fight and thought it was just a test booster.
 
Rodja said:
I know there is a ton of usage here in TX. It's also partially because they're ignorant to what they are; I saw 1 fighter take 3-4 HD before a fight and thought it was just a test booster.
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Was it our mongolian beef buddy? Haha
 
I've been reffering to Carwin as The Brockslayer for a long time now and am not about to stop :) Lesnar said he was "seeing tweety birds" after one of the shots he took from Mir . I think it was an uppercut and Carwin hits waaay harder than Mir . Brock will go to sleep in the first round and Shane's cardio will still go untested .
Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
I like Cain's tat , no harm in rep'ing your heritage . Also I support Lyle "Fancypants" Beerholm's White Pride chest banner . I am white and very happy with it . Granted I am not self-admitted-reformed-skinhead-who-puts-a-large-bandaid-over-his-swastika-tat-during-his-fights . But there is also the fact that there is an extremely violent streetgang out west who call themselves Brown Pride . Got to look a little deeper sometimes I say .
 
sonofsteven said:
Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
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No, the only difference is a massive divergence in talent. Haha. :lol:

Seriously, though: teams that would traditionally qualify for "DII" status viz., size can play in the DI just so long as they recruit properly and perform. Really cannot stress the sheer difference in talent between a DI and DII school. Absolutely massive.
 
Division 1 teams have to sponsor at least 7 sports for men and 7 for women. To play at the D-1A level it's mostly about attendance requirements in football. 30,000 permanent seats in their stadium and average 17,000 per home game or 20,000 average of all football games in the last four years.

Division 2 has to sponsor at least 4 and 4 sports for men and women.

Obviously the talent gets progressively worse as you go from D-1A to D-1AA and D2 on down.
 
sonofsteven said:
I've been reffering to Carwin as The Brockslayer for a long time now and am not about to stop :) Lesnar said he was "seeing tweety birds" after one of the shots he took from Mir . I think it was an uppercut and Carwin hits waaay harder than Mir . Brock will go to sleep in the first round and Shane's cardio will still go untested .
Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
I like Cain's tat , no harm in rep'ing your heritage . Also I support Lyle "Fancypants" Beerholm's White Pride chest banner . I am white and very happy with it . Granted I am not self-admitted-reformed-skinhead-who-puts-a-large-bandaid-over-his-swastika-tat-during-his-fights . But there is also the fact that there is an extremely violent streetgang out west who call themselves Brown Pride . Got to look a little deeper sometimes I say .
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D1 to D2 is largely a variance in Talent. Cal State Fullerton Baseball is in Division I, but the college is maybe a quarter of the size of a UC college, like UCLA, USC, UC Santa Barbara.... etc.
 
luclyluciano said:
I said, this is not going to be a wrestling match not that there would be zero wrestling.
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Not that it matters, but no, you said, "this is not a wrestling match, so the differences will mean little." The point being that wrestling differences are absolutely massive in MMA, as any recent card will show you.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
No, the only difference is a massive divergence in talent. Haha. :lol:

Seriously, though: teams that would traditionally qualify for "DII" status viz., size can play in the DI just so long as they recruit properly and perform. Really cannot stress the sheer difference in talent between a DI and DII school. Absolutely massive.
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Ice cold - but damned funny and I got what your saying .
 
sonofsteven said:
I've been reffering to Carwin as The Brockslayer for a long time now and am not about to stop :) Lesnar said he was "seeing tweety birds" after one of the shots he took from Mir . I think it was an uppercut and Carwin hits waaay harder than Mir . Brock will go to sleep in the first round and Shane's cardio will still go untested .
Forgive me if I'm way off base about this but isn't the only difference between the aforementioned wrestling divisions school size ? More students - "better" division ?
I like Cain's tat , no harm in rep'ing your heritage . Also I support Lyle "Fancypants" Beerholm's White Pride chest banner . I am white and very happy with it . Granted I am not self-admitted-reformed-skinhead-who-puts-a-large-bandaid-over-his-swastika-tat-during-his-fights . But there is also the fact that there is an extremely violent streetgang out west who call themselves Brown Pride . Got to look a little deeper sometimes I say .
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He better land it because if he ends up on his back it will be Carwin seeing tweety birds along with a crooked nose. Just ask Mir about that one.
 
Lesnar wins.... hes a stronger and way better of an athlete, just like GSP is at 171. People who say he wont win are crazy, look at the fukin guy!!! I dont see carwin winning, in fact I see him getting dominated
 
stullsy said:
Lesnar wins.... hes a stronger and way better of an athlete, just like GSP is at 171. People who say he wont win are crazy, look at the fukin guy!!! I dont see carwin winning, in fact I see him getting dominated
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You lost all credibility with that statement. By that logic, Bob Sapp would be dominant.
 
Rodja said:
You lost all credibility with that statement. By that logic, Bob Sapp would be dominant.
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I have to agree. Lesnar is bigger, stonger and a better athlete but if he get's one of those meat hooks from Carwin it could be nap time.
 
Rodja said:
You lost all credibility with that statement. By that logic, Bob Sapp would be dominant.
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I didnt mean it in turns of sheer size, I meant it in turns of performing... The guy is way more of a beast than people seem to realize. If your comparing Brock Lesnar to Bob Sapp you lost all credibility. It wont take long until Brock takes Carwin down and beats his face in.
 
I dont mind the girls lol. Its the loud drunk people I cant stand. Last time some drunk dumbass broke a glass at a table far away enough Idc but they were loud enough to be an annoyance. Plus just like putting myself in a situation to eat bad when Im trying to cut.
 
stullsy said:
I didnt mean it in turns of sheer size, I meant it in turns of performing... The guy is way more of a beast than people seem to realize. If your comparing Brock Lesnar to Bob Sapp you lost all credibility. It wont take long until Brock takes Carwin down and beats his face in.
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What the hell are you trying to say in this post? They've both been extremely impressive in their respective careers and I'd say Carwin has the more impressive finishes and their is not a huge size difference between the two.
 
I've watched a few of Carwin's stand up fights. He seems to like the 1-2, left right combo. Seems to work well for him. Lesnar has also used this same combo especially against Herring where he popped his orbital.
 
Tonight's the big night!
Something about these two giant powerhouses clashing makes me more excited than any other fight I have ever seen.
 
i'm pulling for shane on this one, i can't stand lesnar, the way he talks, looks, fights...he just comes off as a total d-bag, so for that alone i hope carwin knocks him out cold and lesnar loses his attitude or even his will to fight
 
Young Gotti said:
i'm pulling for shane on this one, i can't stand lesnar, the way he talks, looks, fights...he just comes off as a total d-bag, so for that alone i hope carwin knocks him out cold and lesnar loses his attitude or even his will to fight
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It is called selling tickets. Brock lives a simple life on a farm when not fighting. The doctor who treated Brock said his condition said he had been fight with that condition for a while. They say he was losing 40% of what he could really do. Now alot of that is hype but if the condition hindered him at all in those other fights that could be a nightmare for the rest of the fighters. I also think bringing Coture in to help him identify weak spots he can work on has probably helped a ton. I think it is going to be a great fight. Carwin needs to stay up and land a bomb. If Brocks get's him to the ground it is over.
 
great idea to bring in Randy. One of the only smart things Lesner has said was how he respects randy. He knows randy is better but could not over come that size difference. I am glad to see this because Carwins camp is pretty good.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
great idea to bring in Randy. One of the only smart things Lesner has said was how he respects randy. He knows randy is better but could not over come that size difference. I am glad to see this because Carwins camp is pretty good.
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Since it's been mentioned, the camp topic is not stressed enough. I know that Jackson/Wittman are fantastic trainers, but the bulk, or, in this case, lack thereof, of the fighters are LHW and under. That's cool if you're GSP, but not good if you're Carwin preparing for Lesnar. While Carwin has more of a stalking, hulking style, Lesnar is something that cannot be replicated.

I truly believe that the size and, mostly, athleticism of Lesnar is going to throw off Carwin. There's always the KO chance, but I believe that is the only chance for Carwin in this fight.
 
I would definitely agree there, Rodja.

As you said, Trevor Wittman, Greg Jackson - and we should mention Phil Nurse - have formed the Grudge/Jackson's Submission meta-camp into probably the best strategic camp in MMA. But as you said, James "I Apply for Appeals Because I Suck" McSweeney and Brendan Schaub are not top-tier HWs to train with.

Lesnar, on the other hand, has Madsen, Konrad, "Gonzaga Killed My Testes," and the like to at least present physical challenges. And in terms of strategy and training, Marty Morgan, Erik Paulson and Greg Nelson are pretty adept at maximizing wrestlers' full potential skill-sets.
 
This is an overall rough matchup for Shane. Lesnar is as rare an athlete as there is in the sport. Shane will always have a ko chance against anyone, however Shane's size is not going to be an issue against someone like Brock.

I would be curious to see if Shane could put Brock on his back (I dont see it happening)
 
Young Gotti said:
i'm pulling for shane on this one, i can't stand lesnar, the way he talks, looks, fights...he just comes off as a total d-bag, so for that alone i hope carwin knocks him out cold and lesnar loses his attitude or even his will to fight
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Ask Mir if Lesnar lost any attitude in the second fight. BTW did anyone see Fedor fight where he tapped out?
 
if not Carwin, then who do you guys think CAN beat lesnar??? a silverback gorilla? a man with a knife? a nasty case of gyno???
 
AntonG42O said:
if not Carwin, then who do you guys think CAN beat lesnar??? a silverback gorilla? a man with a knife? a nasty case of gyno???
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If he get's more polished it will be another WWE guy who has the best chance. They are basically the same in size, strength and athletic ability.

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Mixed martial arts record
Professional record breakdown
5 matches 5 wins 0 losses
By knockout 2 0
By submission 2 0
By decision 1 0
Result Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Win 5-0 Wes Sims TKO (Strikes) Strikeforce: Miami 02010-01-30 January 30, 2010 1 2:06 Sunrise, Florida
Win 4-0 Bob Sapp Submission (Punches) Ultimate Chaos: Lashley vs. Sapp 02009-06-27 June 27, 2009 1 3:17 Biloxi, Mississippi
Win 3-0 Mike Cook Submission (Guillotine Choke) MFC 21: Hard Knocks 02009-05-15 May 15, 2009 1 0:24 Edmonton, Alberta
Win 2-0 Jason Guida Decision (Unanimous) SRP: March Badness 02009-03-21 March 21, 2009 3 5:00 Pensacola, Florida
Winx 1-0 Joshua Franklin TKO (Cut) MFA: There Will Be Blood 02008-12-13 December 13, 2008 1 0:41 Miami, Florida MMA debut



Bobby Lashley Stats:
Height 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)
Weight 252 lb (114 kg)
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Here is the issue that I see with Lashley, and Jas123, Volcom and Rodja have all touched on it in the past: Lesnar is a natural HW in the strictest sense, whereas Lashley wrestled at MW in University, I believe.

The biomechanical difference in bone strength, the body's response to energy demands and so forth are going to be significant, as Brock's body is used to being 265+ lbs from the start, whereas Lashley's may not be. That is a big separator between the two, though that may be just my opinion.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Here is the issue that I see with Lashley, and Jas123, Volcom and Rodja have all touched on it in the past: Lesnar is a natural HW in the strictest sense, whereas Lashley wrestled at MW in University, I believe.

The biomechanical difference in bone strength, the body's response to energy demands and so forth are going to be significant, as Brock's body is used to being 265+ lbs from the start, whereas Lashley's may not be. That is a big separator between the two, though that may be just my opinion.
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I haven't been able to find solid information about this, but I believe the same applies to Carwin, albeit not to the same extent. He played LB during his college football days, while also wrestling. Now, considering normal size for LBs, they puts Carwin in the 240-250 range during those years. Walking around at 280-290 is a huge jump for Carwin, but he does have a much larger frame than Lashley.
 
whats lesnar's bodyfat %? it has to be higher than carwins, so even though carwins cardio is not tested, lesnar might gas way before shane does if it ends up going that far....he may be an athlete but he's carrying a lot of excess weight around

and i just read they banned vuvuzela's from the event, ultimate disapointment
 
Young Gotti said:
whats lesnar's bodyfat %? it has to be higher than carwins, so even though carwins cardio is not tested, lesnar might gas way before shane does if it ends up going that far....he may be an athlete but he's carrying a lot of excess weight around

and i just read they banned vuvuzela's from the event, ultimate disapointment
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Lesnar, until recently, was not one to be meticulous with his diet. However, he is said to be in better shape than previously. Also, the whole "not-shredded=bad gas tank" thing is completely outlandish.
 
Rodja said:
Lesnar, until recently, was not one to be meticulous with his diet. However, he is said to be in better shape than previously. Also, the whole "not-shredded=bad gas tank" thing is completely outlandish.
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There are several "not shreeded guys" who dont gas. From all I have read Lesnar is in ridiculous shape and very healthy with his diet....as he needs to be at this point.
 
Rodja said:
Lesnar, until recently, was not one to be meticulous with his diet. However, he is said to be in better shape than previously. Also, the whole "not-shredded=bad gas tank" thing is completely outlandish.
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just read something saying something about him being 9% but also mentions him in the WWE, and if u look at him in the wwe he was pretty ripped compared to what he is now...so i have trouble believeing that an extra 10-20lbs of either muscle or fat will not play a factor in his endurance...any extra weight your carrying around has to play some sort of role on things
 
Gotta be honest, I would be floored if this fight goes more than 2 rounds.
 
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