Lab Results In, Need Help

SOLARUS said:
i'd like to see these questions answered, too...it seems like an odd coincidence that all three stress hormones are high...

often times with the prolactin-lowering drugs, a) they take several weeks to do their job, and b) libido increase can lag behind a just-corrected hormone situation, ie. it isnt always instantaneous. there's really very little you have to lose by taking a course of bromo or dostinex for 2 months or so and see what happens.

i would drop the HCG if you havent already - it's only going to continue giving the exact WRONG feedback to your hypothalamus (that is, it's flooding you with T that your body will see and want to decrease...)

wait, you werent on HCG when you were tested, were you?

i wish you could find a really good endo...we are all just shooting from the hip here (not that he/she wouldnt...), but it'd be nice to be able to get what you need to troubleshoot this, legally...
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Thanks bro, I appreciate the help. I'll take your advice and continue dostinex for 2 months. I also stopped HCG and feel much better. I'm hoping that dht is the key to lowering the progesterone while raising my levels of natural dht at the same time. It's the last thing I could think of. If that doesn't work, then I guess I'll be saving up for testing in different areas that I have not touched. As far as the questions above, I don't feel I have any issues. I'm pretty healthy. I eat well and work out often. I get plenty of sun. I don't often get overly stressed either. I beleive my hormones were altered somehow after abusing marijuana and alcohol. Before that, I had an amazing libido. After the drugs, my libido totally dropped off. It was the wrost mistake I have ever made in my life. I guess my body was extra sensitive to what I was putting in my body at the time. Now I am paying the price for it.
 
Update on my progress....

I bought and tried Andractim DHT gel and did a 10 day trial. Again, I had no luck and feeling very frusterated right now. I though that this would have helped my already low DHT levels and would have combated the high progesterone issues I may be facing. All it did was give me bad brain fog.

The only thing left is maybe a testesterone deffiency. Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range. I'm wondering if TT needs to be almost double anyway to reach some kind of threshold to regain my sex drive. I have read numerous places that marijuana and alcohol can lower testosterone. I'm wondering if this is why my LH and FSH are very low.

If anyone can chime in with some advice, that would be great. I'm just not sure what to do next.
 
SOLARUS said:
i'd like to see these questions answered, too...it seems like an odd coincidence that all three stress hormones are high...

often times with the prolactin-lowering drugs, a) they take several weeks to do their job, and b) libido increase can lag behind a just-corrected hormone situation, ie. it isnt always instantaneous. there's really very little you have to lose by taking a course of bromo or dostinex for 2 months or so and see what happens.

i would drop the HCG if you havent already - it's only going to continue giving the exact WRONG feedback to your hypothalamus (that is, it's flooding you with T that your body will see and want to decrease...)

wait, you werent on HCG when you were tested, were you?

i wish you could find a really good endo...we are all just shooting from the hip here (not that he/she wouldnt...), but it'd be nice to be able to get what you need to troubleshoot this, legally...
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SOLARUS,

What s your suggestion for those whose LH is low? You say that HCG is not correct procedure, then which one to use?
 
health4life24 said:
Update on my progress....

I bought and tried Andractim DHT gel and did a 10 day trial. Again, I had no luck and feeling very frusterated right now. I though that this would have helped my already low DHT levels and would have combated the high progesterone issues I may be facing. All it did was give me bad brain fog.

The only thing left is maybe a testesterone deffiency. Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range. I'm wondering if TT needs to be almost double anyway to reach some kind of threshold to regain my sex drive. I have read numerous places that marijuana and alcohol can lower testosterone. I'm wondering if this is why my LH and FSH are very low.

If anyone can chime in with some advice, that would be great. I'm just not sure what to do next.
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Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range.
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For that to be true you would have to have very low SHBG.

Most likely you are relyng on bad FreeT test results.

Get TT, SHBG and dr Shippen's chart, post #41
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jan-s-bloodtest-2.html

If your FreeT is 160 or more, you are in acceptable range.
Best is to be closer to 300.
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When you get your FreeT in good range,
and DHT close to top range, Prolactin in check,
next big influence is Estradiol.
You want to have "ultrasensitive Estradiol" test preferably at Quest, secondarily at LabCorp.

With that test at hand, you want to be 15-30, but best guidance is by nightly erections.
 
darkblue1 said:
SOLARUS,

What s your suggestion for those whose LH is low? You say that HCG is not correct procedure, then which one to use?
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if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.

HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

JMO, i'm no doctor.
 
SOLARUS said:
if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.

HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

JMO, i'm no doctor.
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Will HCG bring the size back even though we dont know the reason why size became small.BTW I have bilateral varicoceles and low LH . Doctor could not find the reaosn why hypothalamus not working properly.I was never on steroids.
 
SOLARUS said:
if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.
HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

JMO, i'm no doctor.
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What are the known remedies for increasing low LH?
 
SOLARUS said:
if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.

HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

JMO, i'm no doctor.
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I assume my testes are working fine, but what if they are converting at the wrong ratios? I suspect that my high progesterone is overpowring effects of Test & low DHT. Adding HCG will further suppress because it will produce excess progesterone also. I'm wonder if TRT would remedy this where I get more Testesterone and less of the other things like progesterone. What do you think?
 
JanSz said:
Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range.
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For that to be true you would have to have very low SHBG.

Most likely you are relyng on bad FreeT test results.

Get TT, SHBG and dr Shippen's chart, post #41
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jan-s-bloodtest-2.html

If your FreeT is 160 or more, you are in acceptable range.
Best is to be closer to 300.
...................
When you get your FreeT in good range,
and DHT close to top range, Prolactin in check,
next big influence is Estradiol.
You want to have "ultrasensitive Estradiol" test preferably at Quest, secondarily at LabCorp.

With that test at hand, you want to be 15-30, but best guidance is by nightly erections.
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My SHBG is 13 (13-71 range)

On Dr. Shippens chart, bioavailable Test was right around 300. What is your opinion if doubling TT? I could go from 479 to say the 800-900 range. My Free T was middle of range, so that would double also to be at top of range or slightly over. Do you think I could try a three week trial of say 100 mg Depot T a week SubQ for 3 weeks to see if any change in libido occurs? I could restart with clomid if I really didn't feel much of a difference.
 
health4life24 said:
My SHBG is 13 (13-71 range)

On Dr. Shippens chart, bioavailable Test was right around 300. What is your opinion if doubling TT? I could go from 479 to say the 800-900 range. My Free T was middle of range, so that would double also to be at top of range or slightly over. Do you think I could try a three week trial of say 100 mg Depot T a week SubQ for 3 weeks to see if any change in libido occurs? I could restart with clomid if I really didn't feel much of a difference.
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You have to change your mind set first, we do not do cycles and restarts. What we do if for life.

Then you will do relatively extensive blood test so you can possibly figure out your problem.
You also have to forget that clomid exist.
Dr Shippen's chart is not dealing with BioAvailableTestosterone.
Spend some time on this and other boards, wery helpfull.

Having this type of health problem is a life long story.
The sooner you learn how to properly deal with those problems the better for you body and your mental status/stresses.
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With SHBG=13
you need minimum TT=510
and no more than TT=900

If you are near 510, testosterone may not be your problem.
 
Your DHT is a problem as well as your prolactin and cortisol. You can straighten out the DHT issue with some proviron but I'm not sure how you fix the prolactin and cortisol issues.
 
brentf13 said:
Your DHT is a problem as well as your prolactin and cortisol. You can straighten out the DHT issue with some proviron but I'm not sure how you fix the prolactin and cortisol issues.
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My morning cortisol was at the top of the range, isn't that supposed to be good? Doesn't cortisol lower throughout the day also? I have heard that very high levels of cortisol overpowers the uptake of free T, thus causing loss of libido. I'm not sure if cortisol is a problem for me though. I'm guessing my high progesterone levels are robbing me of feeling the effects of T. The only thing that I can think of to counteract this is to double my current T level of 479 to the 800-900 region. Maybe at that point then T can assert its affects on libido and combat the supression I'm feeling from high progesterone. Raising T will also increase dopamine and help counteract against the top of the range prolactin. There's nothing really that I can take that would lower progesterone since no drugs exist for that. I'm possibly stuck with the fact that my testes are producing ok test, but maybe at the wrong ratios. It's just a theory and I could be wrong, but it's the only thing I could think of right now. I may have to end up saving up more money so I can go see Dr. John. My options are running out in trying to figure out what's wrong with me. You guys have been a great help here.
 
Have your family Dr order a Rhein 24 hour urine hormone profile and once you receive the results send them to Crisler for evaluation. He doesn't use blood labs anymore because they're to inaccurate. You might be surprised to see the difference on the 24 hour labs. Having done several sets of blood labs I can say my 24 hour labs matched way better with how I was feeling. Crisler will work with your family Dr as a consultant.
 
Just an update......

Just saw Dr. John and he said that I'm going to be one of his harder cases. Great, just my luck! Anyway, he thinks from looking at my labs that high progesterone is the main cause for my lack of of libido. He also thinks my DHT is probably too low since it's below bottom of range. He wants me to do a Rhein urine test before he makes any decisions about what to do. He thinks my Test production is ok, but needs to figure out how to 'run' down or overcome powerful feminizing effects of progesterone. It's a tricky situation, so he said he's not quite sure the best approach to take yet and wants to see results from urine test before making any decisions. I may be heading for test. cream, even though my test production is ok. Does anyone have any advice or comments? Any other possible angles or options I might have at this point?
 
bump....is there anyone that can help me asnwer the above in regards to high progesterone? Can I do anything to keep myself off Test replacement in terms of overruning or lowering progesterone? Can raising T3 or manipulating thyroid hormones do anything to combat high progesterone...any relation at all? This high progesterone is ruining my life!
 
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