L-Carnitine L-Tartrate uses ?

[dpk33]

i have a tub of primaforce lclt that expires soon and i have no idea what to do with it. what are the uses of this supplement on a bulk or cut? btw i'm not running x-gels or any form of ara

last time i checked, the fat loss research on this wasn't too promising but maybe things have changed and new research has come out?

 

[mr.cooper69]

Decent fat loss research (gotta use it longterm), but the main benefit is a documented improvement in recovery and vo2 max. It also improves androgen receptor density

 

[Philosophy]

2-3g pre-workout for the increase in androgen receptor concentration.

And as Coop said, you need to dose it for a few months in the presence of insulin (carbs) for fat loss benefits.

 

[heavylifter33]

I'd just save it for an ArA run or hormone booster use.

 

[Rostam]

I'd just save it for an ArA run or hormone booster use.

What do you mean by "hormone booster use"?

 

[money0351]

What do you mean by "hormone booster use"?

some studies have shown LCLT to upregulate androgen receptor responses

 

[dpk33]

Decent fat loss research (gotta use it longterm), but the main benefit is a documented improvement in recovery and vo2 max. It also improves androgen receptor density

So more than likely I will be using this on a bulk and a cut. 2-3g preworkout for increase in androgen receptor density, as philosophy said. if you don't mind me asking, what does this actually translate to in terms of recovery, gains, fat loss? if i were to use it for fat loss, would dosage be different?

 

[Rostam]

some studies have shown LCLT to upregulate androgen receptor responses

yes. I know this but wasn't sure he was referring to that.

 

[mr.cooper69]

So more than likely I will be using this on a bulk and a cut. 2-3g preworkout for increase in androgen receptor density, as philosophy said. if you don't mind me asking, what does this actually translate to in terms of recovery, gains, fat loss? if i were to use it for fat loss, would dosage be different?

Nah, same dose, 2-3g daily. It should improve recovery and fat loss...gains maybe not so much

 

[test112]

Isn't the effect on androgen receptor density just from reducing muscle damage from exercise, and thereby reducing damage to the androgen receptors within the muscles?

 

[mr.cooper69]

Indeed it is. But please note this is a "bad" damage (nuclear receptor), vs "good damage" (oxidative stress)

 

[test112]

A lot of the write-ups on LCLT seem to talk in terms actually increasing androgen receptors, rather than maintaining them by reducing muscle damage.

 

[PhoenixMuscle]

Does ALCAR produce the same effect on androgen receptors as LCLT? I searched but found mixed results

 

[aaronuconn]

Does ALCAR produce the same effect on androgen receptors as LCLT? I searched but found mixed results

I don't believe so.

 

[jp_x_type]

Definitely noticed a post effective on libido and other feelings that would lead me to beleive LCLT is somehow effecting my hormones. I dose it at 3-4g spread out throughout the day.

Good when taken before bed also (I take it with L-Dopa, Chlorophytum, etc) as it seems to make me sleep better. I

prefer not to take more than 1g pre-wo though as it seems to lower blood sugar.

I definitely prefer LCLT to ALCAR when it comes to Carnitine. LCLT is a staple of mine

 

[Synapsin]

Does ALCAR produce the same effect on androgen receptors as LCLT? I searched but found mixed results

Nope, nothing that any research indicates.

 

[ma70]

Best times to dose LCLT? Pre-WO and pre-bed?

 

[kbayne]

Best times to dose LCLT? Pre-WO and pre-bed?

Pre-workout.

 

[ma70]

Pre-workout.

What about off days though?

 

[kbayne]

What about off days though?

In the morning or split the dose into two doses.

 

[aaronuconn]

What about off days though?

I'd probably go 3g in a bolus with carbs.

 

[Rostam]

What about off days though?

For androgen receptor purpose I'd dose it 2g only pre workout.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Would stacking with ostarine be synergistic?

 

[heavylifter33]

Would stacking with ostarine be synergistic?

I doubt you'd notice much of a difference.

 

[Synapsin]

Would stacking with ostarine be synergistic?

Nope

 

[Segansational]

Does ALCAR produce the same effect on androgen receptors as LCLT? I searched but found mixed results

No, you'll want to use LCLT if you're looking for effects regarding the androgen receptor. But ALCAR is still beneficial for performance purposes... mainly for the effects in the brain (eg, cognition), but also is beneficial for athletic purposes due to increase ACh.

 

[vogelitis_]

If you want to increase intramuscular carnitine, go with 3g LCLT and at least 25-30g of 'fast' carbs postworkout. If your pre workout meal usually has 100+ grams of carbohydrates just supplement it with that meal. Reasoning is LCLT increases intramuscular carnitine levels significantly when insulin is very elevated. I would personally suggest supplementing LCLT.

 

[Grayson]

Why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that OP can also shoot this IM? I know this is the supplement section, but we should not avert our attention away from an optimal delivery system.

OP, this might not be the proper forum, but look up carnitine injections. I might get flamed for giving you directions, so a simple google is all you need.

 

[Synapsin]

Why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that OP can also shoot this IM? I know this is the supplement section, but we should not avert our attention away from an optimal delivery system.

OP, this might not be the proper forum, but look up carnitine injections. I might get flamed for giving you directions, so a simple google is all you need.

Why on earth would we suggest someone to inject something that already has good data on it working orally? Despite it's low bioavailability, it already has data showing it works when taken PO, not to mention it is cheaper to buy it and take it orally.

 

[PrepNwa23]

Why on earth would we suggest someone to inject something that already has good data on it working orally? Despite it's low bioavailability, it already has data showing it works when taken PO, not to mention it is cheaper to buy it and take it orally.

Indeed agree with this completely, LCLT works perfectly fine orally. Its cheap and easy to take orally.

 

[Grayson]

Why on earth would we suggest someone to inject something that already has good data on it working orally? Despite it's low bioavailability, it already has data showing it works when taken PO, not to mention it is cheaper to buy it and take it orally.

I'm not discrediting oral consumption nor am I attempting to antagonize. I'm simply stating that optimal delivery is intramuscularly with high amounts of insulin per the study. (On mobile now. Will link later)

Indeed agree with this completely, LCLT works perfectly fine orally. Its cheap and easy to take orally.

Have you tried it intramuscularly? If not, how can you make this assessment?

 

[PrepNwa23]

I'm not discrediting oral consumption nor am I attempting to antagonize. I'm simply stating that optimal delivery is intramuscularly with high amounts of insulin per the study. (On mobile now. Will link later)

Have you tried it intramuscularly? If not, how can you make this assessment?

Not trying to say it's not effective pinning it. But for most it's not something the masses are looking to do. So for the majority with the effective data out there showing it works orally it's easier that way and also easier on the wallet. Never looked at any data showing how good it works other ways.

 

[Synapsin]

I'm not discrediting oral consumption nor am I attempting to antagonize. I'm simply stating that optimal delivery is intramuscularly with high amounts of insulin per the study. (On mobile now. Will link later)

Have you tried it intramuscularly? If not, how can you make this assessment?

It has several studies showing its effective orally, no need to show me studies on intramuscular because it doesn't address my points at all.

 

[Alex281]

Which more effective for fat loss, alcar vs tartrate?

 

[kbayne]

Which more effective for fat loss, alcar vs tartrate?

LCLT even though the amount of fat loss with either will be minimal compared to other products.

 

[SwolenONE]

As Coop detailed, the benefits of LCLT address many different angles of physique and performance enhancement. Its also an affordable ingredient, making it a no brainer to add to any supplement arsenal, whether bulking or cutting.

 

[Cerpintine]

Should one avoid stacking ALCAR and LCLT? I've been using ALCAR and just started a run of ABE and ARA. I've also added in the LCLT. Usually in the morning I have a small breakfast, pop two ALCAR, then make a preworkout drink/ABE/ARA and whatnot an hour later.

I just remember reading somewhere use one or the other?

 

[kbayne]

Should one avoid stacking ALCAR and LCLT? I've been using ALCAR and just started a run of ABE and ARA. I've also added in the LCLT. Usually in the morning I have a small breakfast, pop two ALCAR, then make a preworkout drink/ABE/ARA and whatnot an hour later. I just remember reading somewhere use one or the other?

I believe they are safe to consume together. I think it's PLCAR and ALCAR you should split up.

Either way, I would do ALCAR at 2 grams in the morning and 2-3 grams LCLT pre-workout.

 

[cumminslifter]

I believe they are safe to consume together. I think it's PLCAR and ALCAR you should split up.

Either way, I would do ALCAR at 2 grams in the morning and 2-3 grams LCLT pre-workout.

i dose pre workout. PLCAR?

 

[kbayne]

i dose pre workout. PLCAR?

Dose what pre workout?

PLCAR = Propionyl L-Carntitine

 

[cumminslifter]

Dose what pre workout?

PLCAR = Propionyl L-Carntitine

both lclt and alcar

 

[test112]

Ah yes, PLCAR would be very nice to buy but pretty much no-one sells it!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[aloosecannon]

Ah yes, PLCAR would be very nice to buy but pretty much no-one sells it!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE

I've seen SNS PLCAR for sale recently.

 

[jp_x_type]

GPLC is like PLCAR I guess. I use it - it's amazing for pumps and circulation - but gdamn expensive

 

[kbayne]

Ah yes, PLCAR would be very nice to buy but pretty much no-one sells it!!!!!!!!!!!

SNS sells it. Look around and you'll find it.

 

[Synapsin]

GPLC is like PLCAR I guess. I use it - it's amazing for pumps and circulation - but gdamn expensive

GPLC is just PLCAR+ Glycine