KLEEN - STRONG BODY STRONG MIND!

[MrKleen73]

At my last job I had a doctor I worked with warn me against taking creatine and tell me it was one of her absolute least favorite supplements because of the associated risks (referring to proposed effects on the kidney). I dont really blame her though, only the jackasses who educated her on the topic whenever that was.

With that being said, as an ER doc she doesnt really need to be too educated on the topic. I'd trust her to save me if I was about to die...so I guess its a trade off for all the intricate and complex **** she does know.

Exactly.

Last night was a day off. I donated blood again so I couldn't workout. I stayed in a very deep deficit though to help burn some more fat. I am probably going to go out and walk again for lunch too, and maybe a bike ride in the evening. Will more than likely end up lifting weights Saturday and Sunday. We shall see though, if I am feeling froggy tonight I might get out there and do some lifting.

 

[Studhorse]

My store is downstairs. It takes me under a minute to go there. Beat that!

rub it in Di ck.

 

[Studhorse]

I work from home so there's that

But I'm curious when you say downstairs you mean like underneath your house or what... Trying to picture your empire in Paraguay. At least what it looks like in my mind lol.

remember the house in scarface? Its like that.

 

[Studhorse]

I had to explain to a woman this morning why it was safe for her son to take creatine. So he’s probably gonna make some gainz now

That is great! My daughter (16) was out squatting a few guys her age at the gym and I heard one say it's only because she is on creatine! lol.

 

[Hyde]

That is great! My daughter (16) was out squatting a few guys her age at the gym and I heard one say it's only because she is on creatine! lol.

How dare she, the cheater...doesn’t she know she might hurt their fragile manlet egos?

 

[Rocket3015]

That is great! My daughter (16) was out squatting a few guys her age at the gym and I heard one say it's only because she is on creatine! lol.

Love It !!

 

[Cgkone]

Ughhh been a bit since I updated, been sick since Saturday. I have kept up my dosing of Var at night but cut the creatine down to 15-20g in the AM instead of 30. I may work it back up but the bloat and whatnot was not helping with how I was feeling. I also dissolved it in hot water and drank it alongside my coffee. I found that I was not finishing my coffee when it had the creatine in it. Just made it a flavor I did not enjoy.

I weighed myself Saturday morning after a pretty strict week and my weight was back up to 209.7, there is definitely a little bloating and I am constantly peeing now. Not overly sure how well this is working right now. Of course having been sick the last several days there has been no training and I am not sure that I will be doing any training tonight either. I am back at work today but still not feeling 100%. I either got a stomach bug, or ate bad food so I haven't been feeling well at all, and trying to get calories in when I felt good enough to eat. So I just kind of ate whatever the family was eating for dinner.

As far as progress goes, it is really hard to tell my stomach is still distended a bit from being sick, but it wasn't a puke and diarrhea fest so wasn't one of those illnesses where I came back in unintentionally leaner. There was some of that involved but more just feeling sick to my stomach, and constantly uncomfortable. If I did somehow make progress, the extra water from the creatine is hiding some of it.

I've been dealing with stomach issues lately also.
I've never ran creatine this high.
I've been shooting for 30grams.
But I keep feeling nausea.
It happened once and I was sick for 2 days.
It just happened again for 2 days.
Not as bad.
But I can't hang with feel I g like I'm going to puke all day.
Also I think it has me constipated???

 

[Cgkone]

It could but I am pretty sure that it was from the meal I ate, or me having a bug due to the quick onset of it. I wasn't even done with it when I started thinking this might upset my stomach. It thought it might be because it had a lot of grease in it. However it was a dish called Discado which is really just a bunch of meats mostly sausage with some veggies sauted on a cast iron hot plate or disk... I have to wonder if the sausage they used had been sitting out for a bit or something.

Sometimes I will get a bit of what you mentioned about 2 weeks in, but this didn't feel like that. That typically comes with lethargy, and the heartburn starts out gradual, then increases. This was pretty much a direct response to the food. Within 2 hours I had indigestion, and then couldn't find a comfortable way to lay in bed without puke and acid coming up in my throat. Was about 3Am the first time I puked and it all went downhill from there. I hurled the rest of the night then dry heaved for the rest of the day, since I was fasting there wasn't anything to throw up and no way I was trying to eat.

I don't know that it was what I ate, or a bug that was starting to kick my backside about the same time I had that meal but it was no bueno. To me at least didn't feel like that feeling I get occasionally when an oral cycle starts to bother me. It felt more like I had a gnarly stomach bug.

I was sure I had food poisoning....but I came back.
I'm going to eat nice and plain for the next few days.
Really watch everything going in and OUT.

 

[Cgkone]

Actually stated feeling better as the day went on. Thank goodness.

I actually feel pretty good today. No nausea at all now. Was actually doing pretty well after getting some food in me yesterday.

Yeah, one of the things that Spurfy was mentioning was that Var really messed with appetite when taken during the day. Caused lethargy and a few other things as well. So that makes sense on most cycles too. Hoping it isn't a factor here and this was just a bit of bad food or stomach bug.

The DHT could be a factor in the urination I guess but I know for sure that the creatine is a massive part of it for me. I piss non stop when on creatine. Always have. Part of the reason I mentioned early on that I was going to have to increase my water intake in order to not get dehydrated from it. I literally get that dry mouthed kind of thirsty from peeing so much on creatine.

Gracias!

Well last night I decided I was just going to go out there and pump a bit. What was going to just be a get some blood into everything turned into a really good upper body workout. It also felt nice to just do what I wanted and felt like for a little bit. My shoulders are a little beat up and pushing in the lower rep ranges hasn't been going too well for me recently. I think I am just going to go instinctive for a bit. Get in 3-4 training days a week, lots of high energy, low rest work. Hit whatever rep ranges I feel I am up to, get in and get out. No reason for me to be focusing on heavier performance based stuff when I just need to move and burn energy right now to achieve my goals.

I am still going to focus on getting in some sprinting, body weight stuff and the like mixed into everything but the weight training days are going to be more instinctive for how I am feeling. Will definitely still have body weight stuff in them and shorter rest periods but I am going to give the joints a break while focusing on this. Seems every time I grab a barbell lately some ache pops up so probably will focus more on DB's use barbells more sparingly.

A summary of the workout last night. I didn't do any serious tracking, just hard work.

Done as a superset but secondary exercise was changed to ring dips after 2 sets.
1a)Wide Grip Pull Ups x10, Shoulder Width x9, 5, 3 This probably doesn't look like much but this is a major improvement for reps on the 2nd set.
1b)DB Shoulder Press 35x15x2, 1b2) Ring Dips x8, 4 I wanted to warm the shoulders up even more before attackng the ring dips, and I knew CNS wasn't going to let me do 4 sets of ring dips anyway so I incorporated some shoulder pressing to get more blood in the shoulders and triceps before hitting them. Definite improvement in dips getting 8 in my first set. I have only done sets of 5 before.

Did a set of Bench on machine and didn't like how it felt on the shoulders decided to do ring push ups instead.

2a) Ring Push Ups Sub Max x 5 rounds - each set stopped once I noticed instability creeping into the movements - did these going into a full on hollow bridge including scapular protraction.
2b) Heavy Supinated Grip Cable Rows - 200+lbs (4rth plate from bottom) x RPE9 x 5 sets - reps were about 15 on first set and dropped down to 8 by the 5th set.

Pump Circuit - x 4 rounds first 3 rounds to RPE9 4rth to failure
Plate Side/Rear Raises 10lbs x 3 sets @RPE9, and 1 set to failure
Barbell Curls 45 x 3 sets @ RPE9 and 1 set to failure
Rope Triceps Ext - 2p x 3 sets @RPE9, and 1 set to failure

Pec Deck - 2p x 60-70 reps with flex in peak contraction

I looked massive at the end of this session and was feeling great. Had an unreal pump going, that's for sure.

I feel like I am going the wrong way on the physique aspect right now. To me this morning I look more watery and softer. This is not the way I want to go with this. I know it is from the creatine but I am still holding out to see what happens. If the addition of creatine gives me the impression I am growing better then great, but if I am not noticeably bigger or tighter looking in the next few days then I don't know that I will keep taking it at this elevated level.
a lot more from it then I might keep it but at this point I really don't know.

This is where we are different.
I feel thick and powerful on the elevated dose.
I hope I can continue.
But I can't stand nausea

 

[MrKleen73]

I've been dealing with stomach issues lately also.
I've never ran creatine this high.
I've been shooting for 30grams.
But I keep feeling nausea.
It happened once and I was sick for 2 days.
It just happened again for 2 days.
Not as bad.
But I can't hang with feel I g like I'm going to puke all day.
Also I think it has me constipated???

Yeah all of this has been the situation for me. I backed off a little on the creatine for a few days and felt better.

This is where we are different.
I feel thick and powerful on the elevated dose.
I hope I can continue.
But I can't stand nausea

Oh I was definitely feeling thick and powerful but held a bit of excess water. I always do from creatine mono. Not so much on some of the buffered ones but not spending the ridiculous amounts more for the others at this dose. I started doing it again in the evening with my other stuff yesterday, curious if that will help with any of the effects since more ATP will be present while the Var is at its highest levels.

Things are going good with the dietary change, I am on my 6th day of keto and am back down from 213.4 to 209.2 but tightening up nicely and honestly do not look flat for being depleted. So I am happy with the results thus far.

 

[Cgkone]

Yeah all of this has been the situation for me. I backed off a little on the creatine for a few days and felt better.

Oh I was definitely feeling thick and powerful but held a bit of excess water. I always do from creatine mono. Not so much on some of the buffered ones but not spending the ridiculous amounts more for the others at this dose. I started doing it again in the evening with my other stuff yesterday, curious if that will help with any of the effects since more ATP will be present while the Var is at its highest levels.

Things are going good with the dietary change, I am on my 6th day of keto and am back down from 213.4 to 209.2 but tightening up nicely and honestly do not look flat for being depleted. So I am happy with the results thus far.

I dropping down to 20 mg for awhile.
I've dissected everything else and the only change is VAR and the whopping increase in creatine.
I also have old creatine.
I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it.
I've taken VAR before with no symptoms.
So it must be the creatine.
I'm off to get a fresh tub.
I also have no faith that the new versions are better.
I'm sticking with mono.
Just going to watch what I eat. Only drink water.
And also I'm backed up.
Havnt had a decent BM since I started the creatine increase.
So ill get some dried plums. That usually works.
I'm also usually very regular...so this is a change too.
That's why I doubt it was food.
Diareah accompanies food poisioning

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah that is my experience also. Bloated from not having good movements and today I have had a lot of burping.

 

[Cgkone]

Yeah that is my experience also. Bloated from not having good movements and today I have had a lot of burping.

Me too!!!!!
Makes me feel a little bit better actually that I know someone else is going through this too. I so rarely have gi problems or stomach issues at all,that when I do have them freaks me out a little bit

 

[Cgkone]

So I'm going to change my game plan a little bit go all the way down to just 10 grams of creatine and stay on 80 mg of VAR. Maybe I'll even go down to 40 mg for a week

 

[MrKleen73]

Me too!!!!!
Makes me feel a little bit better actually that I know someone else is going through this too. I so rarely have gi problems or stomach issues at all,that when I do have them freaks me out a little bit

No doubt, and it isn't horrible just blah... I took some magnesium and had a good movement today and feel better too.

So I'm going to change my game plan a little bit go all the way down to just 10 grams of creatine and stay on 80 mg of VAR. Maybe I'll even go down to 40 mg for a week

Yeah I think 10g with the Var will be pretty good, if going smaller I would take with it just in case it works better while the var is in the system.

I am doing 15-20g, although I am going to have to order more.

Noticing more leaning out right now. I was under a flood light at just the right angle this morning and saw more lines on my abs coming in. The 40mg a night is treating me nicely for my current goals. The fact I appear to be gaining LBM while leaning up at 2000 cals a day in ketosis is pretty awesome...

About to head to the gym for a full body session. Going to the gym this time to play, AKA lift anything I feel like for as long as I like until I feel like leaving. Oh and of course I am going to sit in the sauna for a bit.

 

[Cgkone]

No doubt, and it isn't horrible just blah... I took some magnesium and had a good movement today and feel better too.

Yeah I think 10g with the Var will be pretty good, if going smaller I would take with it just in case it works better while the var is in the system.

I am doing 15-20g, although I am going to have to order more.

Noticing more leaning out right now. I was under a flood light at just the right angle this morning and saw more lines on my abs coming in. The 40mg a night is treating me nicely for my current goals. The fact I appear to be gaining LBM while leaning up at 2000 cals a day in ketosis is pretty awesome...

So you've had zero issues since the first incident

 

[MrKleen73]

So you've had zero issues since the first incident

I have gotten nauseous but not like that first time. More so has been feeling distended, gassy and getting frequent indigestion. In all honesty I would maybe even just say that most of it could just be other symptoms of constipation brought on by the extra creatine. I mean indigestion, nausea and smaller appetite can all stem from that.

 

[Cgkone]

I have gotten nauseous but not like that first time. More so has been feeling distended, gassy and getting frequent indigestion. In all honesty I would maybe even just say that most of it could just be other symptoms of constipation brought on by the extra creatine. I mean indigestion, nausea and smaller appetite can all stem from that.

Yup same here.
I'm almost on 24hrs no creatine and I feel better
I'm going to slowly re-introduce creatine 5g at a time.
Slowly work up to doses I can handle. It was quite a miserable feeling. Quite frankly a feeling I can't hang with. I know I can take 10 grams of creatine no problem we'll see how high can get after that

 

[Cgkone]

I have gotten nauseous but not like that first time. More so has been feeling distended, gassy and getting frequent indigestion. In all honesty I would maybe even just say that most of it could just be other symptoms of constipation brought on by the extra creatine. I mean indigestion, nausea and smaller appetite can all stem from that.

Very bizarre though has to be the high creatine and anavar combo thats doing it. Since both of our symptoms are real similar and that's the only thing I've been doing different I don't know about you

 

[Godstrength]

Creatine doesn't agree with everybody in my opinion. Especially when you get playing with the dosages. So many people vary and differ on what dosages they use personally. Honestly I can't see taking that much creatine being some magical answer along with the coffee and anavar. I do think a lot of the things that where suggested to you do make sense but I think the claims about the involvement of the creatine is a bit upplayed. I think you're seeing exactly what you should on 40 mg of anavar that's real and dosed properly. Along with your diet and intermittent fasting. You are leaning out, feel like you're starting to put on a little bit of size, and this is what should see continue imo. Along with a nice pump and muscle fullness and a small strength increase that will level off after a few weeks. Also the joints should feel good. Cushony after a couple weeks is the best way I can explain it. As if everything's been just padded out a little bit. My skin complexion also gets better while on it.

Creatine definitely bloats me out big time. I've heard people say creatine doesn't do that but it's nonsense. For me it absolutely does and also makes me mushy and softer.

I've ran this ( low test and anavar at 40-60) twice and absolutely love it.

 

[Cgkone]

Creatine doesn't agree with everybody in my opinion. Especially when you get playing with the dosages. So many people vary and differ on what dosages they use personally. Honestly I can't see taking that much creatine being some magical answer along with the coffee and anavar. I do think a lot of the things that where suggested to you do make sense but I think the claims about the involvement of the creatine is a bit upplayed. I think you're seeing exactly what you should on 40 mg of anavar that's real and dosed properly. Along with your diet and intermittent fasting. You are leaning out, feel like you're starting to put on a little bit of size, and this is what should see continue imo. Along with a nice pump and muscle fullness and a small strength increase that will level off after a few weeks. Also the joints should feel good. Cushony after a couple weeks is the best way I can explain it. As if everything's been just padded out a little bit. My skin complexion also gets better while on it.

Creatine definitely bloats me out big time. I've heard people say creatine doesn't do that but it's nonsense. For me it absolutely does and also makes me mushy and softer.

I've ran this ( low test and anavar at 40-60) twice and absolutely love it.

I'm just shocked how it made me feel so poorly.
I can shoot tren all day ....but 30 mg of creatine has me layed up.
I will continue but at low doses and try to increase

 

[Rocket3015]

I don't believe I have ever gone about 10mg a day, what is the benefit of say 30mg a day ??

 

[Cgkone]

I don't believe I have ever gone about 10mg a day, what is the benefit of say 30mg a day ??

A few of us are trying an experiment where we do anavar at night with creatine at 30 mg.
Actually maybe just me an MrKleen73 have been the first to try it.
I calling it a fail for me.
At least the jump to 80mg VAR and 30mg creatine.
I couldn't take the sides( which is still so bizarre to say about the supps in question).
But ill stay on VAR and try to ease into higher doses of creatine a week at a time.
Currently 40 mg VAR no sides.
Literally still scared to take creatine.
But I know my body can tolerate 10 grams so I should be fine.
But AAS and peptides are all an experiment forme.
I'm turning 41 in June.
I'm getting to where cruise doses are the healthiest options.
So I figure I got a couple more years fooling with high dose blasts.
I'm not mad it didn't work.
My first gut instinct was it wouldnt work.
But it might for somebody else.
Ill try to get to the recommended doses one more time.
But what it did do is make me want to BLAST!!!
That first few days of creatine after almost4months of calorie deficit slap 8lb on me quick.
That 8lb made me strong.
Makes me want to add another 10lb with some of this m14add I got in the drawer.
Put some plates on the bar.
I often have wanted to do more of a primal bulk and cut.
Cut in the winter and bulk in the summer like a hunter gatherer.
Walk around with my test at 5000 for may-June

 

[Rocket3015]

Thank you for the explanation Cgkone

 

[MrKleen73]

Yup same here.
I'm almost on 24hrs no creatine and I feel better
I'm going to slowly re-introduce creatine 5g at a time.
Slowly work up to doses I can handle. It was quite a miserable feeling. Quite frankly a feeling I can't hang with. I know I can take 10 grams of creatine no problem we'll see how high can get after that

Sounds like a solid plan...

Very bizarre though has to be the high creatine and anavar combo thats doing it. Since both of our symptoms are real similar and that's the only thing I've been doing different I don't know about you

Yeah, I agree the 30mg was just horrible feeling. Had a wierd taste in my mouth and no desire to eat. Dropping down to 15-20 seems a little better but after a few days the blech and indigestion returns. I am just going to do 5 in the AM and 5 preworkout. Sure this experiment may work great for some especially those eating for gains but I want to feel good and to be honest I haven't felt good good since starting the creatine that high.

Creatine doesn't agree with everybody in my opinion. Especially when you get playing with the dosages. So many people vary and differ on what dosages they use personally. Honestly I can't see taking that much creatine being some magical answer along with the coffee and anavar. I do think a lot of the things that where suggested to you do make sense but I think the claims about the involvement of the creatine is a bit upplayed. I think you're seeing exactly what you should on 40 mg of anavar that's real and dosed properly. Along with your diet and intermittent fasting. You are leaning out, feel like you're starting to put on a little bit of size, and this is what should see continue imo. Along with a nice pump and muscle fullness and a small strength increase that will level off after a few weeks. Also the joints should feel good. Cushony after a couple weeks is the best way I can explain it. As if everything's been just padded out a little bit. My skin complexion also gets better while on it.

Creatine definitely bloats me out big time. I've heard people say creatine doesn't do that but it's nonsense. For me it absolutely does and also makes me mushy and softer.

I've ran this ( low test and anavar at 40-60) twice and absolutely love it.

Yeah creatine bloats me too not just sub q but also in the gut.

I'm just shocked how it made me feel so poorly.
I can shoot tren all day ....but 30 mg of creatine has me layed up.
I will continue but at low doses and try to increase

The gut is a sensitive beast!

I don't believe I have ever gone about 10mg a day, what is the benefit of say 30mg a day ??

Yeah like CGKone says we were just trying out this guys method but it wasn't something that worked well. Now I will say the few days I didn't take creatine at all I felt good on the evening only dose.

I am getting exactly what I expected out of the Var, a great recomp effect that will end with me having some gains.

A few of us are trying an experiment where we do anavar at night with creatine at 30 mg.
Actually maybe just me an MrKleen73 have been the first to try it.
I calling it a fail for me.
At least the jump to 80mg VAR and 30mg creatine.
I couldn't take the sides( which is still so bizarre to say about the supps in question).
But ill stay on VAR and try to ease into higher doses of creatine a week at a time.
Currently 40 mg VAR no sides.
Literally still scared to take creatine.
But I know my body can tolerate 10 grams so I should be fine.
But AAS and peptides are all an experiment forme.
I'm turning 41 in June.
I'm getting to where cruise doses are the healthiest options.
So I figure I got a couple more years fooling with high dose blasts.
I'm not mad it didn't work.
My first gut instinct was it wouldnt work.
But it might for somebody else.
Ill try to get to the recommended doses one more time.
But what it did do is make me want to BLAST!!!
That first few days of creatine after almost4months of calorie deficit slap 8lb on me quick.
That 8lb made me strong.
Makes me want to add another 10lb with some of this m14add I got in the drawer.
Put some plates on the bar.
I often have wanted to do more of a primal bulk and cut.
Cut in the winter and bulk in the summer like a hunter gatherer.
Walk around with my test at 5000 for may-June

Haha sounds like you have a heck of a plan. I m really right on the edge of where I want my physique. I really like the old classic body builder physiques, and am pretty close to that look now. Starting to think I may not need to do anything other than get myself into the single digits and do my best to stay there. So no big bulks for me.

I didn't mention I had one hell of a workout yesterday.

Max Push Ups in 2 minutes

Pull Ups 8, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3

Supported T-Bar Rows 85 xRPE9 10-20 rep range x 5 sets

DB Arnold Press 35x RPE8.5 - rep range 15-30 reps x 4 sets - slower tempo more mind muscle connection

Curl Machine 25kilo 4 sets @ RPE9 15-35 rep range
Triceps Machine 30 kilo 4 sets @ RPE9 15-35 rep range

Side Raise Machine 45kilo x15, 15, drop weight and to 25 kilo and go x failure into pulses x 3 sets

I was looking pretty big and feeling good when it was all said and done. Then I spent 20 minutes chilaxin in the sauna!

I started my new shift today so I brought a change of clothes to go do some cardio at lunch. Considering I will have an hour and a half to burn I might as well try to get in some more intense conditioning and cardio.

 

[Cgkone]

Sounds like a solid plan...

Yeah, I agree the 30mg was just horrible feeling. Had a wierd taste in my mouth and no desire to eat. Dropping down to 15-20 seems a little better but after a few days the blech and indigestion returns. I am just going to do 5 in the AM and 5 preworkout. Sure this experiment may work great for some especially those eating for gains but I want to feel good and to be honest I haven't felt good good since starting the creatine that high.

Yeah creatine bloats me too not just sub q but also in the gut.

The gut is a sensitive beast!


Yeah like CGKone says we were just trying out this guys method but it wasn't something that worked well. Now I will say the few days I didn't take creatine at all I felt good on the evening only dose.

I am getting exactly what I expected out of the Var, a great recomp effect that will end with me having some gains.


Haha sounds like you have a heck of a plan. I m really right on the edge of where I want my physique. I really like the old classic body builder physiques, and am pretty close to that look now. Starting to think I may not need to do anything other than get myself into the single digits and do my best to stay there. So no big bulks for me.

I didn't mention I had one hell of a workout yesterday.

Max Push Ups in 2 minutes

Pull Ups 8, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3

Supported T-Bar Rows 85 xRPE9 10-20 rep range x 5 sets

DB Arnold Press 35x RPE8.5 - rep range 15-30 reps x 4 sets - slower tempo more mind muscle connection

Curl Machine 25kilo 4 sets @ RPE9 15-35 rep range
Triceps Machine 30 kilo 4 sets @ RPE9 15-35 rep range

Side Raise Machine 45kilo x15, 15, drop weight and to 25 kilo and go x failure into pulses x 3 sets

I was looking pretty big and feeling good when it was all said and done. Then I spent 20 minutes chilaxin in the sauna!

I started my new shift today so I brought a change of clothes to go do some cardio at lunch. Considering I will have an hour and a half to burn I might as well try to get in some more intense conditioning and cardio.

Yup the taste was inky.
Like a bic pen opened in my mouth
Yup
I've felt like crap since the high creatine dose.
I'm hoping Spurfy can shed some light on the subject........but so far he's been quiet.

 

[Hyde]

I’ve always naturally felt like bulking in summer and cutting when it gets cold out.

 

[MrKleen73]

I’ve always naturally felt like bulking in summer and cutting when it gets cold out.

This actually seems to be my natural inclination but often vanity steps in during the summer and I want my work to be seen.

 

[Hyde]

This actually seems to be my natural inclination but often vanity steps in during the summer and I want my work to be seen.

To be completely transparent: I actually want to bulk year round, but I never want to cut in the summer it seems.

 

[MrKleen73]

To be completely transparent: I actually want to bulk year round, but I never want to cut in the summer it seems.

Well yeah, I wish I was one of those guys who just wanted to be big and strong but not really to worried about how I look. Unfortunately someone wired me differently though... I would love to eat year round and enjoy myself when it comes to food!

I will definetly be enjoying my upcoming CarbNite. Should be great, I think I am going to do a full body muscle round workout, or maybe a full body pump before eating so I can have it land in all the right places...

 

[Spurfy]

Yup the taste was inky.
Like a bic pen opened in my mouth
Yup
I've felt like crap since the high creatine dose.
I'm hoping Spurfy can shed some light on the subject........but so far he's been quiet.

1. Use a high-quality brand of micronized creatine (I use NOW brand). Some creatine is made-in-China crap that is contaminated with heavy metals and creatnine.

2. Stay heavily hydrated.

3. Make sure creatine is *completely* dissolved.

I've never had issues with this dosing causing problems and nor have any of my clients.

 

[Cgkone]

1. Use a high-quality brand of micronized creatine (I use NOW brand). Some creatine is made-in-China crap that is contaminated with heavy metals and creatnine.

2. Stay heavily hydrated.

3. Make sure creatine is *completely* dissolved.

I've never had issues with this dosing causing problems and nor have any of my clients.

even more bizzare that me and kleen are repoting identical problems.
i still do think my creatine might have something to do with it.
im goin to grab some better creatine and try again but so far it seems to be flawed
i dont think either of us even thought it was the creatine untill we read each others symptoms.
i though i ate bad pastrami.
but it came back exactlyt the same at 20 mg just a little less intense

 

[MrKleen73]

1. Use a high-quality brand of micronized creatine (I use NOW brand). Some creatine is made-in-China crap that is contaminated with heavy metals and creatnine.

2. Stay heavily hydrated.

3. Make sure creatine is *completely* dissolved.

I've never had issues with this dosing causing problems and nor have any of my clients.

I am using micronized creatine mono by Dymatize, I would hope their stuff is from a reputable distributor. They have the deep pockets for it.

Maybe the creatine isn't completely dissolving... I will try putting more effort into getting it completely dissolved. Also adding in some fiber to help keep things moving.

 

[Cgkone]

i was massively hydrated but zero thirst
my creatine is 8$ a lb or something crazy
i will try better stuff

 

[Hyde]

Spurfy mentioned thoroughly dissolving the creatine in 20oz of HOT coffee or water.

So you could near boil water in the microwave, add your creatine, then let it cool for later on. But I’d assume it would take a lot of heat and enough water to get 30g really dissolved right

 

[MrKleen73]

Spurfy mentioned thoroughly dissolving the creatine in 20oz of HOT coffee or water.

So you could near boil water in the microwave, add your creatine, then let it cool for later on. But I’d assume it would take a lot of heat and enough water to get 30g really dissolved right

Yes, I think this might be the case with mine. I know there was a little powder at the bottom on some of mine but will try getting it hotter and in there for longer to see if that helps. Mine hasn't been horrible just blech sometimes, and more frequent indigestion. So I can deal with it but improving the process would be awesome. It had never occurred to me not dissolving all the way could make it harder on the stomach...

 

[Hyde]

Yes, I think this might be the case with mine. I know there was a little powder at the bottom on some of mine but will try getting it hotter and in there for longer to see if that helps. Mine hasn't been horrible just blech sometimes, and more frequent indigestion. So I can deal with it but improving the process would be awesome. It had never occurred to me not dissolving all the way could make it harder on the stomach...

I mean what’s easier to digest, fluid or salt, right?

 

[Cgkone]

Yes, I think this might be the case with mine. I know there was a little powder at the bottom on some of mine but will try getting it hotter and in there for longer to see if that helps. Mine hasn't been horrible just blech sometimes, and more frequent indigestion. So I can deal with it but improving the process would be awesome. It had never occurred to me not dissolving all the way could make it harder on the stomach...

mine was dissolved in hot water.
i just cant imagine that making a huge difference.
and im so gun shy now it will be several weeks of tip toeing back into the high dose again.
im going to do a minnie 5 week blast
stay on the var throughout the blast and on to my next cruise.
the var dosnt bother me at all .
you think taking 80mg of var on top of dbol or msten is very dangerous?
obviously tudca and NAC too

 

[Hyde]

mine was dissolved in hot water.
i just cant imagine that making a huge difference.
and im so gun shy now it will be several weeks of tip toeing back into the high dose again.
im going to do a minnie 5 week blast
stay on the var throughout the blast and on to my next cruise.
the var dosnt bother me at all .
you think taking 80mg of var on top of dbol or msten is very dangerous?
obviously tudca and NAC too

Not remotely. We already established Var is metabolized in the kidneys rather than liver. The need for hydration never changes obviously.

 

[MrKleen73]

I mean what’s easier to digest, fluid or salt, right?

Isn't that crazy... I just quoted your response and it changed one of the words... I did not change the word sand to salt... weird!

Yeah I can see how it would be easier but just didn't think it would make much of a difference as far as side effects. I was definitely using the hot water but I think after a bit I started using just hot tap water which is maybe 125 degrees.

mine was dissolved in hot water.
i just cant imagine that making a huge difference.
and im so gun shy now it will be several weeks of tip toeing back into the high dose again.
im going to do a minnie 5 week blast
stay on the var throughout the blast and on to my next cruise.
the var dosnt bother me at all .
you think taking 80mg of var on top of dbol or msten is very dangerous?
obviously tudca and NAC too

Mine does not have me anywhere near as gunshy as you are. I went right back to 20g in the evening. Now I am just going to use much hotter water to dissolve the creatine.

Well that depends regarding the 80mg of var, if it is truly nontoxic as mentioned then you should be absolutely fine. You know the sides to look for regarding liver stuff and if you start seeing them then act accordingly.

I have not increased my dose of Liv52, since starting, and only taking 250mg TUDCA because I had some lying around. I haven't noticed anything alarming on that front but I am at half the dose you are.

 

[Cgkone]

Not remotely. We already established Var is metabolized in the kidneys rather than liver. The need for hydration never changes obviously.

cool because i really enjoyed the extra strength from creatine.
im dying to get into these bottles of m14add so a quick bulk blast it is

 

[Cgkone]

Isn't that crazy... I just quoted your response and it changed one of the words... I did not change the word sand to salt... weird!

Yeah I can see how it would be easier but just didn't think it would make much of a difference as far as side effects. I was definitely using the hot water but I think after a bit I started using just hot tap water which is maybe 125 degrees.


Mine does not have me anywhere near as gunshy as you are. I went right back to 20g in the evening. Now I am just going to use much hotter water to dissolve the creatine.

Well that depends regarding the 80mg of var, if it is truly nontoxic as mentioned then you should be absolutely fine. You know the sides to look for regarding liver stuff and if you start seeing them then act accordingly.

I have not increased my dose of Liv52, since starting, and only taking 250mg TUDCA because I had some lying around. I haven't noticed anything alarming on that front but I am at half the dose you are.

so your at 20g no sides at all or just bareable now?

 

[MrKleen73]

so your at 20g no sides at all or just bareable now?

The only thing I am experiencing now is some heartburn but I can not say that has anything to do with the creatine. If I am still solid in another day or so then I will not be worried about it any further and bump things up to 30 again to see how things go. Hoping that dissolving the creatine more thoroughly helps keep things in line, but who knows. I also tend to have gut issues on occasion from back in the day when I was trying to do Intermittent Fasting with all "Clean foods" and gave myself acid reflux.

 

[MrKleen73]

Wanna hear something a little funny, I just got back in from walking hills at lunch. When I went to put my work pants back on my legs were so pumped that the pant legs were almost stretching as I walked... Pumps are pretty insane at this point for not having had carbs in a week.

 

[Hyde]

What was your diet like on IF that gave you reflux?

 

[MrKleen73]

What was your diet like on IF that gave you reflux?

Stuff like whole grain pasta, rice, bread, oats and the like. Basically I was trying to use all of the "healthy carb sources" and it just ended up being way to high a volume of food after a while. On top of that my protein was too high, fats were not high enough so I was using these hard to digest carbs in bigger portions to hit my caloric needs too and it was just too much for me.

 

[Spurfy]

Wanna hear something a little funny, I just got back in from walking hills at lunch. When I went to put my work pants back on my legs were so pumped that the pant legs were almost stretching as I walked... Pumps are pretty insane at this point for not having had carbs in a week.

Oh, just wait...

 

[Spurfy]

I am using micronized creatine mono by Dymatize, I would hope their stuff is from a reputable distributor. They have the deep pockets for it.

Maybe the creatine isn't completely dissolving... I will try putting more effort into getting it completely dissolved. Also adding in some fiber to help keep things moving.

Honestly, most of the BB supplement companies just buy the cheapest raws they can get. I used to get side effects from creatine (dizziness, constipation, weird kidney pains) when I first started taking it in 1998. I went to using only reputable vitamin company brands for it (Country Life, NOW, etc), and all side-effects vanished. I thought I was hypersensitive, but now that I'm thinking about it, I tell all clients exactly which brands of things to buy, and for creatine I always recommend NOW brand, as this is the brand I use.

 

[Spurfy]

Stuff like whole grain pasta, rice, bread, oats and the like. Basically I was trying to use all of the "healthy carb sources" and it just ended up being way to high a volume of food after a while. On top of that my protein was too high, fats were not high enough so I was using these hard to digest carbs in bigger portions to hit my caloric needs too and it was just too much for me.

I'm a huge fan of just red meat, butter, coconut oil, heavy cream, and fruit. All organic. Makes cutting a breeze and provides pretty much every nutrient you need if you're using grass fed beef and dairy.

 

[BennyMagoo79]

Anyone notice any advantage to taking 30g/day? To my understanding (which is based on 20yrs old information) any more than 5g/day is simply flushed down the toilet.