KLEEN - STRONG BODY STRONG MIND!

[HIT4ME]

For that to make sense you have to say that you need an ADDITIONAL 20g a day over whatever the maintenance protein requirements were for the amount of muscle they had before starting to make gains...

On top of that you and I both know that is an extreme oversimplification based on a mathematics equation, however there is a missing variable that you must apply to that equation to get an answer. Unfortunately it is a moving target with each person being more or less efficient with protein synthesis as well as many other genetic variables that control the rate of muscle growth. However to the point of it is that we don't need anywhere near the amount of protein people think.

I have spoken with a Dietitian who is also a bodybuilder, she works at a kidney facility and she says that most bodybuilders are so efficient with protein usage that they can maintain their muscle mass on an intake of 50g a day. I have seen her do this for years. She adds 20-50 grams when she wants to gain, but never really goes over 100g. She reminds me that proteins and aminos are all recycled and what was not used ends up in the amino acid pool in your blood. So for instance when you are low on blood sugar and the body breaks down a little muscle to get some glutamine, the rest of the unused aminos will re-enter the amino acid pool to be used for other processes later.

You didn't read the study yet but basically it says that there was no statistically relevant performance or muscular gain benefit reported for anyone going over the numbers listed. Here is the final part with some numbers to review.

"What This Means to You
If you're a lifter, you need more than the RDA, a lot more. But based on Morton's meta-analysis, taking more than 1.62 grams per kilogram of bodyweight a day probably won't lead to any additional growth. That 1.62 grams/kilogram, converted to pounds, looks like the following:

110 grams a day for a 150-pound lifter.
147 grams a day for a 200-pound lifter.
166 grams a day for a 225-pound lifter."

That's what I said, although I didn't word it clearly, but you get the thought:

" If you double this requirement, that's 4,540 grams or less than 20 grams a day extra beyond what you need to maintain growth. "

I meant to say something like, "what you need to maintain FOR growth" I guess. You just need an additional 20 grams to supply the amino acids needed for optimistic growth targets. And this is an over simplification, but it's actually pretty skewed. To compensate.

There are other factors - protein breakdown, and the fact that some amino acids MAY trigger growth themselves. I'm also a believer that most of the non-essential amino acids are actually conditionally essential.

But the bottom line is, we agree - you need FAR less protein than most people think for growth. If you get 0.8 g/kg and add another 20 grams on top of that you are probably doing pretty good.

 

[Studhorse]

For that to make sense you have to say that you need an ADDITIONAL 20g a day over whatever the maintenance protein requirements were for the amount of muscle they had before starting to make gains...

On top of that you and I both know that is an extreme oversimplification based on a mathematics equation, however there is a missing variable that you must apply to that equation to get an answer. Unfortunately it is a moving target with each person being more or less efficient with protein synthesis as well as many other genetic variables that control the rate of muscle growth. However to the point of it is that we don't need anywhere near the amount of protein people think.

I have spoken with a Dietitian who is also a bodybuilder, she works at a kidney facility and she says that most bodybuilders are so efficient with protein usage that they can maintain their muscle mass on an intake of 50g a day. I have seen her do this for years. She adds 20-50 grams when she wants to gain, but never really goes over 100g. She reminds me that proteins and aminos are all recycled and what was not used ends up in the amino acid pool in your blood. So for instance when you are low on blood sugar and the body breaks down a little muscle to get some glutamine, the rest of the unused aminos will re-enter the amino acid pool to be used for other processes later.

You didn't read the study yet but basically it says that there was no statistically relevant performance or muscular gain benefit reported for anyone going over the numbers listed. Here is the final part with some numbers to review.

"What This Means to You
If you're a lifter, you need more than the RDA, a lot more. But based on Morton's meta-analysis, taking more than 1.62 grams per kilogram of bodyweight a day probably won't lead to any additional growth. That 1.62 grams/kilogram, converted to pounds, looks like the following:

110 grams a day for a 150-pound lifter.
147 grams a day for a 200-pound lifter.
166 grams a day for a 225-pound lifter."

Thanks for sharing. I have always been the old school 1 gram per pound guy. These numbers would make it easier to eat under maintenance for me.

 

[MrKleen73]

That's what I said, although I didn't word it clearly, but you get the thought:

" If you double this requirement, that's 4,540 grams or less than 20 grams a day extra beyond what you need to maintain growth. "

I meant to say something like, "what you need to maintain FOR growth" I guess. You just need an additional 20 grams to supply the amino acids needed for optimistic growth targets. And this is an over simplification, but it's actually pretty skewed. To compensate.

There are other factors - protein breakdown, and the fact that some amino acids MAY trigger growth themselves. I'm also a believer that most of the non-essential amino acids are actually conditionally essential.

But the bottom line is, we agree - you need FAR less protein than most people think for growth. If you get 0.8 g/kg and add another 20 grams on top of that you are probably doing pretty good.

Yeah, I missed the "extra" part in your first post.

Yeah, probably but I think .8g/kg might be a bit low even with the added 20g a day... that would still only be 100g a day for a 220lb person. I don't know that this would not be great, but still a little low for my comfort level.

This meta review shows that there were intake dependent additional benefits all the way up to 1.6g/kg which comes out to 160... I think that is pretty low by today's standards but something I am also very comfortable with.

 

[MrKleen73]

Thanks for sharing. I have always been the old school 1 gram per pound guy. These numbers would make it easier to eat under maintenance for me.

You know looking at this now it is exactly what my Nephrologist told me regarding protein intake and the highest that she deemed healthy for kidneys with people who lift. Talk about a nice little coincidence that it is also the point at which there are no further benefit to adding more protein.

Now there are going to be outliers, and those on gear can see more growth with higher levels, that has been seen already but in general this makes eating for growth far more affordable and the need for protein powder use a lot less. I often don't have a protein shake outside of my periworkout nutrition window now. It is normally whole food.

 

[jswain34]

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I already posted this in my log but Since we're on the topic in here ill drop it here as well. I dont know if Aragon was involved in the study you are talking about but this is him talking about a recent study he was apart of and what they found in the comments of the IG post. He basically found that 4 meals a day at that interval of protein intake maximized 24 hr protein synthesis in the natural trainee.

 

[MrKleen73]

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I already posted this in my log but Since we're on the topic in here ill drop it here as well. I dont know if Aragon was involved in the study you are talking about but this is him talking about a recent study he was apart of and what they found in the comments of the IG post. He basically found that 4 meals a day at that interval of protein intake maximized 24 hr protein synthesis in the natural trainee.

Thats a pretty big range of 160-240g a day for a 100kg lifter. Lots of wiggle room there... I wonder what the criteria was the defined that range. Good to see the low number is the same but the high number is much higher.

 

[jswain34]

Yah mine worked out to be a range of ~170-240 at 107 kg so i just go a little bit higher on off days and a little bit lower (still ~200 cuz i like to eat meat) on workout days. I never really was all that crazy about hitting a specific # and always was happy with +/- 15-20 g of whatever macro but this has me worrying even less. A range of 70g is huge.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yah mine worked out to be a range of ~170-240 at 107 kg so i just go a little bit higher on off days and a little bit lower (still ~200 cuz i like to eat meat) on workout days. I never really was all that crazy about hitting a specific # and always was happy with +/- 15-20 g of whatever macro but this has me worrying even less. A range of 70g is huge.

Right, it's like you could eat that without obsessing over getting it perfect and be in range damn near by accident.

 

[Hyde]

I have found that being 230lbs I maintain fine on 150-250/day, typically 150-200. Gaining I literally don’t even pay attention: there will always be whey protein somewhere peri-workout and the surplus literally takes care of the rest.

Alex Viada, to paraphrase, has essentially said that if you eat nothing but brown rice, beans, and whole grain bread in sufficient quantities to cover caloric needs you can get enough protein to maintain muscle. An athlete could add a meal of eggs or chicken to this and be good.

I trained with a guy at an old gym that was programmed directly by Viada and I watched it work in person. Just a big tub of brown rice and shredded chicken daily.

 

[Rocket3015]

I'm in the 1 gram per pound club.

 

[tyga tyga]

Depends on what I’m training but I’m 0.8-1g

 

[MrKleen73]

I have found that being 230lbs I maintain fine on 150-250/day, typically 150-200. Gaining I literally don’t even pay attention: there will always be whey protein somewhere peri-workout and the surplus literally takes care of the rest.

Alex Viada, to paraphrase, has essentially said that if you eat nothing but brown rice, beans, and whole grain bread in sufficient quantities to cover caloric needs you can get enough protein to maintain muscle. An athlete could add a meal of eggs or chicken to this and be good.

I trained with a guy at an old gym that was programmed directly by Viada and I watched it work in person. Just a big tub of brown rice and shredded chicken daily.

Oh yeah that works for sure. I know people who make there whole day in a "big bucket" of food with all the macros for the whole day via chicken, rice, veggies, and healthy oils... when they want to get leaner they make less for the day and when they want to gain they make more than just eat the whole thing for the day. Monotonous but works well.

I'm in the 1 gram per pound club.

It's a sure fire way to hit the needs with out having to supplement too much. Plus extra protein is quickly becoming one of the noticeable causes for stomach and digestive issues. It simply isn't as easy to break down.

Depends on what I’m training but I’m 0.8-1g

I think this is closer to mine a lot of the time. I set a 225 as kind of the top unless I am splurging on a big steak or something. In general 150-200 though.

The obvious thing here is trying to maintain much over 1g/lb is just excess and costing a person a lot more money in groceries or supplements to keep up with it than they have to be. Carbs and fats are much cheaper options.

Okay, now let's recap some of this weekends training. I hit the gym Saturday and Sunday. Saturday I did my body weight workout there as well as added in my deadlifts.

20 Minute Warm Up - from Body Weight Program with shoulder rolls, scapular mobilization, wrist mobility, band work, leg swings and plank work.

10 Minutes Skill Work -
Chest against wall Hand Stands - 3x 30 second attempts - one leg off the wall at a time to improve balance for handstand. Handstand must be done with shoulders shrugged and hands being pushed all the way into the floor not resting on the joints. I am definitely getting better at these.

Ring Support Hold 30 seconds attempts x 3 sets - these holds are improving in time and quality.

Strength Training -
Pull Ups - BW x5, BW +25 x3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 - Strength is better here, better quality reps and done overhand not as chins.
Dips - BW x20, BW +25 x10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 - Took a bit to get to be hard work but letting elbows and shoulders adjust to adding weight on these again. I need to build confidence in the position that it won't crush my shoulders or elbows.

Dead Lifts - 135x10, 225x5, 315x3, 405x3, 465x5, 405x3, 3, 3, 3, 3 - figured 8 working sets were good. I just kind of kept going until I felt like that 405 had gotten to feel pretty heavy. I think I could have gone another 2-3 sets if I really pushed it but the workout was already a long one!

Pump Work
Side Raise Machine - 30kg to RPE9, 25kg to RPE9, 20kg to RPE9, 15kg to RPE9 30 seconds rest weight dropped reps increased

Preacher Curls Machine - 30kg to RPE9, 25kg to RPE9, 20kg to RPE9, 15kg to RPE9
Triceps Extension Machine - 30kg to RPE9, 25kg to RPE9, 20kg to RPE9, 15kg to RPE9 - no rest just back and forth between the two, reps increased as weight dropped.

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Sunday's lift
20 Minute Warm Up - from Body Weight Program with shoulder rolls, scapular mobilization, wrist mobility, band work, leg swings and plank work.

10 Minutes Skill Work -
Chest against wall Hand Stands - 30 seconds x 2, and 26 seconds - one leg off the wall at a time to improve balance for handstand. Handstand must be done with shoulders shrugged and hands being pushed all the way into the floor not resting on the joints. I am definitely getting better at these.

Ring Support Hold 30 seconds x 3 sets - these holds are improving in time and quality. I got the last one but it was shaky.

Strength Training -

Super Set \ Plate loaded weights listed are per side and weight only, body weight is also factored in on these as they rock with the movement.
Hoist Isolateral Supported Row - 50x20, 120x15, 140x15, 160x15, 210x13, 230x9, 160x11
Hoist Isolateral Decline Press - 90x20, 120x15, 140x15, 160x15, 210x15, 230x12, 180x13 - Done in an L Sit with legs raised off the seat to make up for not doing the L Sit with the Dead Lifts.

DB Side Raises 17.5lbs 3 sets to failure, done on top end of ROM only

Leg Pump Work - Rest = 30-45 seconds

Leg Press - 315x20 405x20 - Low on platform Oly Squat Stance
Sissy Squat Leg Press with Calf Press squeeze and hold at top - 405x12, 405x9, 405x8 Done with feet down in the position to do calf raises, up on toes, turns it into a weighted sissy squat of sorts.
Leg Press - 405x16 - Done with Back Squat Stance and Mid platform footing -
Leg Press Calf Raise 405x25 - just getting a serious burn / pump in the calves

Today is a rest and recovery day for me. I pushed it hard this weekend, so I won't be strength training today. I will more than likely go for a walk at lunch and may end up doing some recovery work.

jswain34 - I tested the Rolflex over the weekend on some other body parts and it is at best a massager on the lower back, you really can't create enough pressure for SMR without using the VICE type leverage. I think I would go with a high quality peanut, or a soft ball, or that Sphere from Kelly Starret's WOD. Now if your calves, or ankles have mobility issues this thing is a godsend. Same with any part of the arm. Otherwise yes the roller portion can be taken off and used for self massage but not in my opinion SMR, it needs that vice action to really create the pressure.

Keep in mind though that many perceived lower back issues start with tight feet and ankles... If your ankles are tight or one of them is it will create an inbalance all the way up the chain. Could have something to do with the low back pain. Just something to think about if your lower legs are tight.

Oh yeah I did not mention it in here but I dropped down to 207.5 as of this Saturday so things are looking good.

 

[jswain34]

Hmm thanks for the review. I may still just buy one since i know my calves and forearms could use it. Most of my lower back stuff stems from issues with my hips i think but that could all be an upstream effect as you alluded to. Thanks again.

 

[MrKleen73]

Hmm thanks for the review. I may still just buy one since i know my calves and forearms could use it. Most of my lower back stuff stems from issues with my hips i think but that could all be an upstream effect as you alluded to. Thanks again.

Yeah, I wish I had better news but I just couldn't apply enough pressure myself to get what I thought would be a therapeutic effect. Increase blood flow, sure, but not enough tension to mash a trigger point into submission.

I am feeling pretty good after a rest day yesterday. Was exactly what I needed. Now I am rested and ready to hit up my workout tonight. My elbow is in a holding pattern which I can deal with, the dead lifts definitely pushed it a bit, even using my versa gripps. However a session with the RolFlex loosened things right back up to the "only an annoyance" stage. So I am contemplating if I will keep them in or let them go for a bit. If i let them go I will probably have to add in some heavy sled work for the posterior chain, and maybe some DB or KB Snatches.

Tonight more than likely I will follow the workout as laid out with the front squats, and run through all of the skill work and everything. See how long it takes, maybe if I do a warm up set or two with body weight squats during the body weight strength training rest periods I can have the knees warmer and more ready to make quicker jumps for the squats.

If it still takes too long I will cut the Rowing and Push Ups out of the end and finish them off the next day. I am already good at both of them the real focus is the pull ups, handstands and bracing exercises at this point those are the things I really want to improve with the body weight stuff. Plus the warm up seems to be helping my elbow a bit with all the wrist stretching.

 

[Hyde]

Hope training is solid tonight - even if you don’t feel it, make sure to get after it! Sometimes I’ve gotten the best work in when I didn’t really want to be there .

 

[MrKleen73]

Hope training is solid tonight - even if you don’t feel it, make sure to get after it! Sometimes I’ve gotten the best work in when I didn’t really want to be there .

Thanks Hyde, I am actually very much in the mood to train today! I feel rested and ready to go. I haven't squatted heavy in a week, going to try to find a weight I can push myself with in the 6-8 rep range on Front Squats tonight. Won't be crazy heavy but I am gonna push to see where I need to be in that rep range. I normally only do 3-5 rep sets on Front squats.

 

[MrKleen73]

Went for another hour of walking at lunch. Weather is so nice right now for Houston, 65 and sunny, just right for a brisk walk and not smelling like "outside" when I come back in. When it is warmer I have to change clothes and bring in wipes to clean off before I clock back in.

 

[wasme]

Went for another hour of walking at lunch. Weather is so nice right now for Houston, 65 and sunny, just right for a brisk walk and not smelling like "outside" when I come back in. When it is warmer I have to change clothes and bring in wipes to clean off before I clock back in.

Lunch time walks are the perfect time to get in the cardio thats for sure.

 

[MrKleen73]

Lunch time walks are the perfect time to get in the cardio thats for sure.

Agreed, and like I said they will turn into walks with some hill sprints added in relatively soon.


The workout went well but I was not able to go as heavy as expected on front squats. Could have to do with it being the 4rth day I trained legs with intensity in 8 days. Could also have been less warm up sets to save time, and not firing up the CNS enough. Not sure but my weight was a bit lighter and ended up with lower reps than I expected but still a good training session.

20 Minute Warm Up - from Body Weight Program with shoulder rolls, scapular mobilization, wrist mobility, band work, leg swings and plank work.

10 Minutes Skill Work -
Chest against wall Hand Stands - 1 x30 seconds, 1 x 26 seconds, 1 x 20 seconds - one leg off the wall at a time to improve balance for handstand. Handstand must be done with shoulders shrugged and hands being pushed all the way into the floor not resting on the joints. I got closer to the wall on these and it made it much harder to maintain balance with 1 leg off the wall. Pretty humbling, but I will get this down!!!!

Ring Support Hold 30 seconds x 3 sets - these holds are improving in time and quality. I got the last one but it was shaky. Again the last one was shaky but not as shaky as the last time. I plan on going to 35 seconds on all three next time and see if how that works out.

Plank Work - 30 seconds of each regular and both side planks - Side planks done with top arm extended and back while looking up and back at it. Makes balancing and holding against the arm pulling you backwards and off balance.


Strength Training - done in pairs but not a traditional super set. Here you perform Exercise 1 rest 90 seconds then perform exercise 2 rest 90 seconds and repeat for total sets.

Training Pair 1
Pull Ups - BW x6, 6, 6 - added 1 rep per set this week. Happy with that after doing weighted ones recently too.
Weighted Dips - BW+50 x10, 10, 10 - increased 25 lbs from last week.

Training Pair 2
Front Squat - 135x5, 225x5, 275x5, 275x5, 275x3 - I tried to adjust my grip wrong on the final rep and the bar rolled onto my collar bone instead of the meat of the shoulder and had to rerack it. I could have gotten one more rep but decided that it was enough to hit about an RPE8.5 on that final set with how much I had worked my legs recently.
L Sits on the Floor - 3 sets between 10-30 seconds - just shy of failure each time...

Training Pair 3
Tuck Lever - BW x 6, 5, 3 - First time doing these, they are Level 5 of the Rowing Progressions and get very challenging quickly!
Ring Push Ups - BWx8, 8, 8 - Shoulder stability was there for these, but I am going to keep them at this without going to the next progression until I feel a bit more stable in the movement. Might as well perfect them before going to something harder.

Light Arm Pump Work
French Bar Hammer Curls 45xRPE8 x 2 sets
French Bar Overhead Triceps Extensions 45xRPE8 x 2 sets No rest just from one to the other for 2 rounds, just enough to really fill them up with some blood.

 

[Hyde]

You’re incorporating a lot of new and different work in, so it’s not so weird strength was off on some things. Everything affects everything, as they say.

 

[MrKleen73]

You’re incorporating a lot of new and different work in, so it’s not so weird strength was off on some things. Everything affects everything, as they say.

Yeah, and the core is probably taking a hit with the 30 second planks being squeezed as hard as possible, on top of calories dropping a bit and me going out for walks almost daily adding more of a deficit.

I have to keep in mind I am eating for composition correction and not performance right now and that is going to have an effect. Heck simply not starting my carb intake until my intra drink is going to make things harder when I was drinking some carbs starting about 30 minutes out from the workouts before hand.

I am contemplating switching over to more of a keto approach but more than likely will continue to follow kind of a Carb Back Loading approach. I feel like while trying to get better at the bodyweight stuff it might be a bit easier with some carbs.

 

[Hyde]

As long as your goals are performance-based in some fashion, even like now, I would not go keto.

 

[Rocket3015]

I don't think keto would be a good thing.

 

[MrKleen73]

As long as your goals are performance-based in some fashion, even like now, I would not go keto.

I don't think keto would be a good thing.

Yeah I agree, just cutting carbs on non training days and only having them around the workout is still going to be better and as mentioned before calories in VS calories out is 90% of the equation for weight loss. The other 10% is where macro and timing tweaks make the difference for the most part. Obviously it has been working so far with the weight loss. Since it took a quick uptick once I stopped being so relaxed about it and some of my night eating.

I am feeling pretty good today, shoulder and traps are still a little sore from the workout, those hand stand practices are pretty intense. I had always attempted hand stands by allowing shoulders to depress and just let my weight rest on my bone structure. So I was kind of dismissive about it being a hard exercise but when I found out you are supposed to keep your traps and delts on full contraction lifting your frame up as high as possible to keep the weight from resting on the support of the bones it becomes very challenging. It has also given me a better understanding of what I should be doing in my overhead carries if I want maximum carryover and development from them. I may even add some weight hanging from bands on overhead carries to make me have to learn to balance them more as well it will definitely have some carryover to getting the handstand down. Right now the handstand and ring dips are the main skill I want to get down then I will add in some other stuff like muscle ups as I go.

I think I am going to set my camera up to capture some of this as I progress through some of the different progressions and skills that I want to learn. See how my progress is going as well as how my body changes using less heavy weight for everything. I feel like I am losing some size right now but I cut carbs more so that makes sense. However if I start to feel I am losing too much I will definitely increase the weight lifting. I may either add in 1 full body Muscle Round workout to the rotation, or split the squatting and dead lifting into a 2nd workout and then do a few upper body muscle rounds with upper body and a few lower body muscle rounds on lower days. Either way I think I will incorporate the muscle rounds into this somehow for extra volume and adding some weight to things. Especially side delts which don't seem to get hit a ton in any of the body weight stuff.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Looking forward to see a vid about some new workouts.

 

[MrKleen73]

I workout out twice this weekend. One I did all the bodyweight stuff, no weights at all. I don't have my template here and don't have time to type it all up.

Sunday Trinity and I went and rode our bikes for a while then took the medicine ball, mace, and some battle ropes to the park and had a little fun for about an hour.

I screwed the pooch Saturday going out with my buddy so my weight was up and physique a bit sloppy for my progress pics. Not the way I wanted to go...

Up from 207.5 to 209.2

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I am really going to have to tighten up the reigns here if I want to see some steady progress. Allowing myself these cheats is not benefiting my progress. I am happy I went out with my boy, but wish I had stuck with the wings and crown instead of getting sucked up into the rest of the nonsense after a couple drinks.

 

[Hyde]

My carb and specifically sugar intake has been way too high lately. It has been fine for performance but I need to make weight in 5 weeks.

 

[MrKleen73]

My carb and specifically sugar intake has been way too high lately. It has been fine for performance but I need to make weight in 5 weeks.

Yeah, it is hard to make the adjustment. I haven't written out a defined diet and that is why I am struggling more with cheats. I can do this with a lifestyle diet but I have to live up to the lifestyle diet rules which I seem to be having discipline issues with.. I may have to just write up a diet and stick with it every meal to really get some progress moving forward...

 

[booneman77]

Yeah, it is hard to make the adjustment. I haven't written out a defined diet and that is why I am struggling more with cheats. I can do this with a lifestyle diet but I have to live up to the lifestyle diet rules which I seem to be having discipline issues with.. I may have to just write up a diet and stick with it every meal to really get some progress moving forward...

My go-to move has always been to overcompensate on the days I know its easy to nail my diet and then I don't have to worry about unplanned days... Worst case I get to have a "planned" cheat on a day I really don't need to (socially) and normal case is just a social cheat on my weekend. Even if I totally blow it out one day, most of the rest make up for it.

 

[MrKleen73]

My go-to move has always been to overcompensate on the days I know its easy to nail my diet and then I don't have to worry about unplanned days... Worst case I get to have a "planned" cheat on a day I really don't need to (socially) and normal case is just a social cheat on my weekend. Even if I totally blow it out one day, most of the rest make up for it.

Yes this is my typical mode of action as well.

 

[wasme]

Yeah, it is hard to make the adjustment. I haven't written out a defined diet and that is why I am struggling more with cheats. I can do this with a lifestyle diet but I have to live up to the lifestyle diet rules which I seem to be having discipline issues with.. I may have to just write up a diet and stick with it every meal to really get some progress moving forward...

Seems like the boat I am in. Major discipline issues...

 

[SFreed]

Seems like the boat I am in. Major discipline issues...

Craft beer may very well be the devil.

 

[wasme]

Craft beer may very well be the devil.

So true my friend... as well as all the crap that you feel you must consume to 'cleanse the palate' lol

 

[Rocket3015]

There is just to much good food in the world !

 

[Hyde]

There is just to much good food in the world !

Tell that to Africa

 

[christ83189]

Tell that to Africa

Lol!

 

[Rocket3015]

Tell that to Africa

You are correct, we should be very thankful for what we have. Our problems are very small compared to some.

 

[MrKleen73]

Been a hectic day so far. I am home for the day with the contractors while they are leveling my foundation. So I took it on myself to try and take care of the other errands I could only do when off. So I took both dogs t the vets, and of course had to move a bunch of furniture. My poor wife is going to have a heart attack when she gets home tonight. We have 4 tunnels under the house, and 16 holes busted out through the slab on the interior of the house and yes there are piles of dirt in the house too... So she is just going to be thrilled. I am going to have to herd her into the bedroom to watch TV and stay away from this so she doesn't get too stressed over it. Overall we have like 30 piers being installed this house ain't gonna move after this!!!!!

I am hoping to train tonight but to be honest if JoAnn reacts poorly to this situation I am going to stay in with her and keep her chill. Stress really jacks up her stomach and it is important to me that I do my best to keep her from getting too stressed so distracting her is the best thing...

 

[wasme]

Was the shift caused by the flood?

 

[LiveToLift]

Been a hectic day so far. I am home for the day with the contractors while they are leveling my foundation. So I took it on myself to try and take care of the other errands I could only do when off. So I took both dogs t the vets, and of course had to move a bunch of furniture. My poor wife is going to have a heart attack when she gets home tonight. We have 4 tunnels under the house, and 16 holes busted out through the slab on the interior of the house and yes there are piles of dirt in the house too... So she is just going to be thrilled. I am going to have to herd her into the bedroom to watch TV and stay away from this so she doesn't get too stressed over it. Overall we have like 30 piers being installed this house ain't gonna move after this!!!!!

I am hoping to train tonight but to be honest if JoAnn reacts poorly to this situation I am going to stay in with her and keep her chill. Stress really jacks up her stomach and it is important to me that I do my best to keep her from getting too stressed so distracting her is the best thing...

Man I feel for you and the reaction you are in for from the Mrs! What a stressful thing to have to deal with. It will pass and you will be better off after its completed.

 

[Rocket3015]

Sounds like a major project !!

 

[MrKleen73]

Was the shift caused by the flood?

Yes, it was a little unlevel before, most homes in Houston are a little, but moved several inches after. So many peoples plumbing got jacked by the slabs moving so much that I was in a holding pattern until now. So we have been without sheetrock in a few places and living off of a healthy diet of concrete dust due to not having any flooring since then... Has been impossible to keep the house clean.

Man I feel for you and the reaction you are in for from the Mrs! What a stressful thing to have to deal with. It will pass and you will be better off after its completed.

Yeah, it did not go well as I expected. She was crying before she got out of the car. I saw her pull up to the house and when she saw all the piles of dirt from the street she stopped dead in her tracks in the middle of the street out of shock before she pulled in. She has hated the house being in such a disarray and then to see that when she came home... it just kind of broke her. This has been very hard on her as she is a little OCD. Even though I tried to explain the scope of work they were doing she didn't quite understand that it was going to look like a mine field when she came home.

Sounds like a major project !!

Massive!!! The back of the house is a massive add on, and with both slabs it is 3000 sq ft on one level so it is a lot of area to level as well as trying to raise the 2 slabs simultaneously to keep the structure of the house from getting too warped. They will have put in over 30 piers once it is all completed, rerouted and updated the plumbing for 4 drains, we have 3 bathrooms, a kitchen and a bar with a working sink so they had to do a lot of tunneling under the slab to get to everything.

They ended up having to add 12 extra piers due to extra settling since the quote, but they honored the original quote other than charging me half price for excavating the drain to the bar because they didn't notice it when they gave me the original quote. So they added 2000, but gave me 3600 in free piers, so I am not complaining at all.

I am really hoping that the house is in much better shape tonight so I can lift, but I will stay in with the wife again if not. I might go out and do 3-5 sets to an RPE9 on pull ups and dips real quick if that is the case then at least I will get some stimulation.

I have to be at the house all day tomorrow so I will make sure to work out then if not tonight. Maybe even a two a day. I won't be required to do anything but answer some questions and sign papers.

Good news is that this means we can finally start getting the repairs done from the flood. First will be the flooring, then the sheetrock and painting. I can't wait!!!!

 

[wasme]

Sorry to hear Chris... hope it is all resolved sooner than later!

 

[Rocket3015]

Does not sound like fun !!

 

[Segansational]

Wow, good luck with the reno!

 

[MrKleen73]

Sorry to hear Chris... hope it is all resolved sooner than later!

Thanks, to me it is progress but the wife has mild OCD symptoms and is also plagued with high anxiety so the house being the way it has since the storm has her on edge then to see the chaos when she got home.

This is more or less what she drove home too. Lots more but these give you a general idea of the scope of this job.

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And last but not least Wraith being King of the Hill!

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Does not sound like fun !!

Not at all but we are almost there now!

Wow, good luck with the reno!

Thanks Brother!

So last night I ended up doing some push ups and mace swings in the house just to do something but again mostly stayed in the room with the wife since the rest of our house was in shambles... I just happened to have enough room for the mace swings by the bed. We have a pretty big bedroom, like the size of a lot of peoples livingroom if not bigger!

 

[Hyde]

That’s nuts! Pictures really show the scope of the project. You gonna keep one of those pillars for an exwife??

 

[MrKleen73]

That’s nuts! Pictures really show the scope of the project. You gonna keep one of those pillars for an exwife??

Maybe my daughters future boyfriend...

Yeah, it is a lot of work. Home now waiting on the city inspector to come in and verify everything is to code then they are closing everything up and we will be done with this portion by the end of the day everything should be cleaned up. Will need to get a little sod in the back yard but otherwise things will be closer to normal.

Floors next!!! Thinking a dark grey tile in the kitchen kind of a slate look. More of an earthy tile in the living room areas and then do the bedrooms in a different color and texture but keep all of it kind of neutral.

 

[booneman77]

Maybe my daughters future boyfriend...

Yeah, it is a lot of work. Home now waiting on the city inspector to come in and verify everything is to code then they are closing everything up and we will be done with this portion by the end of the day everything should be cleaned up. Will need to get a little sod in the back yard but otherwise things will be closer to normal.

Floors next!!! Thinking a dark grey tile in the kitchen kind of a slate look. More of an earthy tile in the living room areas and then do the bedrooms in a different color and texture but keep all of it kind of neutral.

hahaha your wife might be very sick of the "earthy look"

 

[Segansational]

Holy smokes! That is a massive undertaking. I got anxiety about it for you just looking at those pictures!