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Okay as promised some post run lab results. Apparently the saliva testing only measures free testosterone and not total so this really doesn't give us any point of comparison which sucks but here it is nonetheless. I started with a total serum level of 487, but no free testosterone levels. I ended with a free testosterone level of 55 but now total serum levels. My apologies for the discrepancy. I thought the saliva ones would show both when I started this bad boy and they do not.

Unfortunately for me this means 2 things one, that my testosterone levels are in the normal but lower end of that range and that my HPTA does not seem to be responding too much to OTC supplementation. Since both numbers were in the lower end of the normal range I am not going to go on a crusade to try to correct them and will more than likely just play with some PH, and or DS and do some not so over the counter PCT's. If that doesn't bounce it back then it will lower it enough I can get on TRT.

On another note if my levels have always been on the slightly lower side it would explain why I respond so well to androgens in general. I learned that some people can be hyper sensitive to androgens and if that is the case it would explain how I continue to hold all of my mass while having not been at a very high testosterone level for some time now. Let's face it I am pretty jacked for someone with low-normal end androgen levels.

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Okay as promised some post run lab results. Apparently the saliva testing only measures free testosterone and not total so this really doesn't give us any point of comparison which sucks but here it is nonetheless. I started with a total serum level of 487, but no free testosterone levels. I ended with a free testosterone level of 55 but now total serum levels. My apologies for the discrepancy. I thought the saliva ones would show both when I started this bad boy and they do not.

Unfortunately for me this means 2 things one, that my testosterone levels are in the normal but lower end of that range and that my HPTA does not seem to be responding too much to OTC supplementation. Since both numbers were in the lower end of the normal range I am not going to go on a crusade to try to correct them and will more than likely just play with some PH, and or DS and do some not so over the counter PCT's. If that doesn't bounce it back then it will lower it enough I can get on TRT.

On another note if my levels have always been on the slightly lower side it would explain why I respond so well to androgens in general. I learned that some people can be hyper sensitive to androgens and if that is the case it would explain how I continue to hold all of my mass while having not been at a very high testosterone level for some time now. Let's face it I am pretty jacked for someone with low-normal end androgen levels.

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Well that is certainly interesting results, but kinda what I expected to be honest. Your test levels didn't return to normal after your PCT, so the result doesn't surprise me a lot. It looks like you may be heading towards TRT. What "not so OTC" products were you thinking of using after a PH cycle? Clomid or other serm I'm guessing ;)
 
Nice post kleen, yea lower androgen levels are very common nowadays. Specially with all the phyto estrogens and crap floating around.

Time to run a PH cycle :o? lol

Good luck with whatever you do, and yes my friend, you are pretty DAMN JACKED!!!
 
Very interesting...
 
Well that is certainly interesting results, but kinda what I expected to be honest. Your test levels didn't return to normal after your PCT, so the result doesn't surprise me a lot. It looks like you may be heading towards TRT. What "not so OTC" products were you thinking of using after a PH cycle? Clomid or other serm I'm guessing ;)
Clomid and HCG! That after a pulse should more than kick things back up. If not it just isn't going to happen.

Nice post kleen, yea lower androgen levels are very common nowadays. Specially with all the phyto estrogens and crap floating around.

Time to run a PH cycle :o? lol

Good luck with whatever you do, and yes my friend, you are pretty DAMN JACKED!!!
Yep looking at running an Epi pulse maybe even EPI and SD!

Very interesting...
Yeah but we can'tput too much into the free verses the total. My total may have actually gone up, and maybe my free as well. Libido went up, semen volume went up, and aggression started coming up towards the end. So who really knows. Unfortunately the tests don't mean a ton until done in the same method. I will get full bloods after my pulse and using the SERM and HCG.
 
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