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After a few days of sugar dieting I just felt much better than usual, much more energy etc. I only had a single meal with mostly lean meat/veggies/potatoes at night. First thing I figured out keeping fat low just worked/felt better, less bloat, more energy. Before my breakfast used to be a large fruit smoothie with Whey. When I tried that again after a few days of sugar dieting I noticed a drip in energy, a sluggish feeling starting at about 30 minutes after ingesting, lasting for 1-2 hours depending on serving size. Most neutral, almost unnoticeable but still a little bit was 20 grams from clear whey (WPI), but 40 grams was “bad”. A single serving of regular Whey, ~25 grams was equally bad as 40 grams of clear/wpi. I still have to test Casein btw which I used as my last meal priorly which was a fruit smoothie with Casein.

Although my progress/performance was that good I was really excited about it, I had no idea how much better I feel cutting out Whey. The same goes for cutting out pasta but it’s much less worse then whey. Potatoes, sweet potatoes and rice all seem fine, but need to test more.

A big surprise but I’m beyond excited I figured this out, thanks to the sugar diet…
I found out about some mild sensitivities while getting ready for my show too. When we cut out all breads and other things just rice, chicken and steak at night my gut was rock solid until the we got deep into the bulk where it is just the amount of food causing the discomfort at that point.
 
I now have a pretty solid framework which, feels great, gives me good energy and minimises bloating and gastrointestinal discomfort.

The coming week I’ll be on:

A large breakfast smoothie of various berries, apple, kiwi, mango with 10 grams of L-glutamine and some powdered fibers.

1 liter of fresh squeezed juice orange with bananas, grapes and marshmallows spread over the day.

Evening meal of lean beef or chicken with sweet or regular potatoes, spinach or broccoli, apple sauce.

It’s short on B12, D, Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Zinc which I’m supplementing in natural bio available forms.

As this will be a sugar diet which has not given me any clear benefits thus far I’m also adding FGF21 boosting supplements.

I’m hoping to reach similar performance to a sugar fasting + protein refeed days protocol.
 
I now have a pretty solid framework which, feels great, gives me good energy and minimises bloating and gastrointestinal discomfort.

The coming week I’ll be on:

A large breakfast smoothie of various berries, apple, kiwi, mango with 10 grams of L-glutamine and some powdered fibers.

1 liter of fresh squeezed juice orange with bananas, grapes and marshmallows spread over the day.

Evening meal of lean beef or chicken with sweet or regular potatoes, spinach or broccoli, apple sauce.

It’s short on B12, D, Calcium, Magnesium, Sodium, Zinc which I’m supplementing in natural bio available forms.

As this will be a sugar diet which has not given me any clear benefits thus far I’m also adding FGF21 boosting supplements.

I’m hoping to reach similar performance to a sugar fasting + protein refeed days protocol.
Give it some hell!

I completed my experiment Monday morning at 199.2. So down .6 lbs. Unfortunately I did not find the diet to have any special powers so to speak. At least not for me. I could definitely see how this could work, but for me it was not a good fit. My job is relatively sedentary if not working on a build out, trial set up, or other project that requires extra activity. So I am not just burning through carbs / calories in the same manner. I could have definitely tweaked things a bit and made this work but it came down to simply not enjoying this way of eating. I am a meat-a-sourus and prefer to have multiple portions of it throughout the day so this diet was not for me.

I followed Smelly's advice on the carb intake and trying to make sure you got enough, and feel this was not enough of a caloric restriction to really drop the weight with the meals at night for my activity level. I think somewhere in the 300g range a day would have produced better results.

A few comments, I enjoyed the additional fruits, and will have be having more of that again. The sugar fast portion seems to be the real kicker here. For me personally I prefer IF / TRF, I feel I have better results, and am in a lot more control. I would rather be on cruise control in a fast than having to feed fruit and sugar only. Another comment here, is that I found myself having some extra candy here and there. I have a huge sweet tooth, and found it hard to stop a couple nights with the candy after using it for post workout.

Random thoughts on the diet as a tool. I think the Sugar Diet could be a great option as a diet break without blowing up or regaining weight in the process. I don't mean calorically all though that could be engineered, but just being allowed to slam some sugar for a couple of weeks after being on a sugar restrictive diet at least for me made me tired of the things I had been craving. I could not wait to get back to a more normal diet by the 8-10 day point. Done as the sugar diet, this would probably maintain you well for a few weeks, and if you did sugar fasting that week or two I believe you would lose more weight, probably increase leptin stores from the sugar, and if getting like 350-400g of sugar most people would still be in a pretty good deficit while having plenty sugar to stimulate leptin levels. So possibly increasing metabolism there.

In the end I think I had too many carbs a day to lose the weight. I also found having the candy around the house set me up for accidental overeating on occasion. I had 2 nights I just ate twice as much candy as I should have. So that is a risk I have learned a long time ago, that just not having those things in the house is better for me.

I am back on basic eating style now, planning around 2400-2600 calories a day and 160-200g of protein. Fats and carbs not that important as long as they are within the caloric restriction levels. Some days may be higher fat, and some days will be higher carbs. Basically, I am just going to eat a relatively balanced meal plan consisting of fruits, vegetables, rice, some breads, mostly chicken, then some pork, fish, and beef here and there.

I worked from home yesterday to finish up some work on my car during lunch and right after work. So I got a good bit of physical activity in yesterday, but no actual exercise. Calories around 2500. My weight is up today to 201 and change, still looking pretty good. Ready to get myself back to my more normal eating styles I have found to work well for me. Steady state eating with some IF / TFR added in here and there.

I am traveling for work again this weekend, coming back Wednesday of next week. Also my MIL is coming to visit starting tomorrow, before she goes under the knife for her cancer treatments. We wanted to squeeze in a visit before her health took a hit from the cancer treatments just incase she somehow doesn't make it. The prognosis seems to have just gotten better so that is good but we want to make this happen just in case. I know we all thought Rocket was gong to make it through, and you just never know what can happen. Unfortunately, I won't be able to take time off while she is here, but I am happy she is coming out. So there will definitely be some meals here and there over the next 2 weeks that have nothing to do with my goals, but with entertaining Mom and doing some fun things and getting new experiences to remember while she is here.

On a different note, I got tickets to the Falling in Reverse concert on Aug 14th, my son, his fiancé, and I are going to see them. It will be her first rock concert ever! Should be a nice little break in for her. I love Falling in Reverse, Ronnie's voice is unreal, and I love the rock / rap mix music too. He can sing better than most anyone, and rap with the best of them. It combines my 2 favorite types of music! While she was looking at them a Papa Roach song came on and she told my son she definitely wants to see them. I told him she is in luck, we don't miss Papa Roach when they come ever since Chester killed himself we try not to miss a chance to see our favorites. We missed one of the Linkin Park concert's before he killed himself but luckily caught them the last time they came to Houston. However after that loss, and being like Nah, we have seen them tons of times we were like Damn! We missed one of the last opportunities to see them live because we had seen them many times before, and found ourselves regretting it once he passed.
 
Also, I am starting this week on the bodyweight stuff. I plan to get my sessions in before I head out to Dallas on Sunday. I have attached the PDF if anyone wants to have a look at it.
 

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yeah I'm on the fence...
On the one hand, I'm getting great results and my lifting sessions when sugar/fruit fed are 10x better than fasted. on the other hand, I'm already sick of sugar myself, lol. however, I do feel like fruit is pretty satiating for me so being able to have most of my calories at night fairly freely has been nice...
 
yeah I'm on the fence...
On the one hand, I'm getting great results and my lifting sessions when sugar/fruit fed are 10x better than fasted. on the other hand, I'm already sick of sugar myself, lol. however, I do feel like fruit is pretty satiating for me so being able to have most of my calories at night fairly freely has been nice...
Yeah, for me it was the lack of meat, and the very low enjoyment factor after the first several days. I could have definitely made some adjustments to make it work well. However, I can do that with usual eating or the much easier, and enjoyable fasting. I am not overly worried bout performance at this point. I am not training for anything directly, and my current plan is not going to be adding lbs of muscle. Just retraining what I already have, and trying to strengthen some weaker areas that need more stability. I don't need to be primed for the highest performance levels possible, I just need enough fuel to put in good hard work and call it a day.

I enjoyed my breakfast this morning, Cream of Rice, Almond Butter, and a Nutterbutter Ghost Whey Shake. I wanted to have some fruit, but going to have that as a snack here in a little bit. I didn't have any fruit with me that I wanted in the cream of rice. I am kind of picky when it comes to that.
 
Give it some hell!

I completed my experiment Monday morning at 199.2. So down .6 lbs. Unfortunately I did not find the diet to have any special powers so to speak. At least not for me. I could definitely see how this could work, but for me it was not a good fit. My job is relatively sedentary if not working on a build out, trial set up, or other project that requires extra activity. So I am not just burning through carbs / calories in the same manner. I could have definitely tweaked things a bit and made this work but it came down to simply not enjoying this way of eating. I am a meat-a-sourus and prefer to have multiple portions of it throughout the day so this diet was not for me.

I followed Smelly's advice on the carb intake and trying to make sure you got enough, and feel this was not enough of a caloric restriction to really drop the weight with the meals at night for my activity level. I think somewhere in the 300g range a day would have produced better results.

A few comments, I enjoyed the additional fruits, and will have be having more of that again. The sugar fast portion seems to be the real kicker here. For me personally I prefer IF / TRF, I feel I have better results, and am in a lot more control. I would rather be on cruise control in a fast than having to feed fruit and sugar only. Another comment here, is that I found myself having some extra candy here and there. I have a huge sweet tooth, and found it hard to stop a couple nights with the candy after using it for post workout.

Random thoughts on the diet as a tool. I think the Sugar Diet could be a great option as a diet break without blowing up or regaining weight in the process. I don't mean calorically all though that could be engineered, but just being allowed to slam some sugar for a couple of weeks after being on a sugar restrictive diet at least for me made me tired of the things I had been craving. I could not wait to get back to a more normal diet by the 8-10 day point. Done as the sugar diet, this would probably maintain you well for a few weeks, and if you did sugar fasting that week or two I believe you would lose more weight, probably increase leptin stores from the sugar, and if getting like 350-400g of sugar most people would still be in a pretty good deficit while having plenty sugar to stimulate leptin levels. So possibly increasing metabolism there.

In the end I think I had too many carbs a day to lose the weight. I also found having the candy around the house set me up for accidental overeating on occasion. I had 2 nights I just ate twice as much candy as I should have. So that is a risk I have learned a long time ago, that just not having those things in the house is better for me.

I am back on basic eating style now, planning around 2400-2600 calories a day and 160-200g of protein. Fats and carbs not that important as long as they are within the caloric restriction levels. Some days may be higher fat, and some days will be higher carbs. Basically, I am just going to eat a relatively balanced meal plan consisting of fruits, vegetables, rice, some breads, mostly chicken, then some pork, fish, and beef here and there.

I worked from home yesterday to finish up some work on my car during lunch and right after work. So I got a good bit of physical activity in yesterday, but no actual exercise. Calories around 2500. My weight is up today to 201 and change, still looking pretty good. Ready to get myself back to my more normal eating styles I have found to work well for me. Steady state eating with some IF / TFR added in here and there.

I am traveling for work again this weekend, coming back Wednesday of next week. Also my MIL is coming to visit starting tomorrow, before she goes under the knife for her cancer treatments. We wanted to squeeze in a visit before her health took a hit from the cancer treatments just incase she somehow doesn't make it. The prognosis seems to have just gotten better so that is good but we want to make this happen just in case. I know we all thought Rocket was gong to make it through, and you just never know what can happen. Unfortunately, I won't be able to take time off while she is here, but I am happy she is coming out. So there will definitely be some meals here and there over the next 2 weeks that have nothing to do with my goals, but with entertaining Mom and doing some fun things and getting new experiences to remember while she is here.

On a different note, I got tickets to the Falling in Reverse concert on Aug 14th, my son, his fiancé, and I are going to see them. It will be her first rock concert ever! Should be a nice little break in for her. I love Falling in Reverse, Ronnie's voice is unreal, and I love the rock / rap mix music too. He can sing better than most anyone, and rap with the best of them. It combines my 2 favorite types of music! While she was looking at them a Papa Roach song came on and she told my son she definitely wants to see them. I told him she is in luck, we don't miss Papa Roach when they come ever since Chester killed himself we try not to miss a chance to see our favorites. We missed one of the Linkin Park concert's before he killed himself but luckily caught them the last time they came to Houston. However after that loss, and being like Nah, we have seen them tons of times we were like Damn! We missed one of the last opportunities to see them live because we had seen them many times before, and found ourselves regretting it once he passed.
Thanks for the detailed feedback Kleen, I have had most of my questions answered by following you guys on this diet, and truthfully this is one I probably will never try. Like you said in an earlier post, us older guys need our protein more than ever, and I’m a meat eater as well and spread my protein throughout the day. It just seems that’s what my body responds to best. But I do love fruit and some of what you guys have pointed out has moved me to incorporate more fruit in my diet.
My wife did the sugar diet Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, and the sugar fast Wednesday. On Thursday evening is when we had wings, so that was a little off script. Saturday and Sunday were normal eating, and when she weighed Monday morning she had dropped 2 lbs. She says she will probably go a month, unless she starts to have adverse reactions. She did stick with mainly fruit with very little candy….she would have like 10 gummy bears watching TV and that was it. She already said she prefers portion control eating, and always does great with that. I think that’s one of a lot of women’s super power…..when she puts her mind to it, she has way more control over portions than I do, ha not even close. And I have to be careful, because I’m bad about eating her leftovers before I even think about it.🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Thanks for the detailed feedback Kleen, I have had most of my questions answered by following you guys on this diet, and truthfully this is one I probably will never try. Like you said in an earlier post, us older guys need our protein more than ever, and I’m a meat eater as well and spread my protein throughout the day. It just seems that’s what my body responds to best. But I do love fruit and some of what you guys have pointed out has moved me to incorporate more fruit in my diet.
My wife did the sugar diet Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, and the sugar fast Wednesday. On Thursday evening is when we had wings, so that was a little off script. Saturday and Sunday were normal eating, and when she weighed Monday morning she had dropped 2 lbs. She says she will probably go a month, unless she starts to have adverse reactions. She did stick with mainly fruit with very little candy….she would have like 10 gummy bears watching TV and that was it. She already said she prefers portion control eating, and always does great with that. I think that’s one of a lot of women’s super power…..when she puts her mind to it, she has way more control over portions than I do, ha not even close. And I have to be careful, because I’m bad about eating her leftovers before I even think about it.🤷🏻‍♂️

One thing I have noticed in my normal day to day life is that my "normal" eating it typically always in some level of maintenance, whether I way 185, 195, or 205. I have to work at it to gain weight, as I also have to work at it to lose weight. we'll see if that is still true now that I'm a few years older but I'd love to see if I can do this fruit-only method for mornings until I hit a targeted cut weight, then shift to a more relaxed lifestyle at maintenance.
 
Thanks for the detailed feedback Kleen, I have had most of my questions answered by following you guys on this diet, and truthfully this is one I probably will never try. Like you said in an earlier post, us older guys need our protein more than ever, and I’m a meat eater as well and spread my protein throughout the day. It just seems that’s what my body responds to best. But I do love fruit and some of what you guys have pointed out has moved me to incorporate more fruit in my diet.
My wife did the sugar diet Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, and the sugar fast Wednesday. On Thursday evening is when we had wings, so that was a little off script. Saturday and Sunday were normal eating, and when she weighed Monday morning she had dropped 2 lbs. She says she will probably go a month, unless she starts to have adverse reactions. She did stick with mainly fruit with very little candy….she would have like 10 gummy bears watching TV and that was it. She already said she prefers portion control eating, and always does great with that. I think that’s one of a lot of women’s super power…..when she puts her mind to it, she has way more control over portions than I do, ha not even close. And I have to be careful, because I’m bad about eating her leftovers before I even think about it.🤷🏻‍♂️
Yeah, it came down to an enjoyment factor. I was having things i loved, and that was great until I started missing the staples that I love. Plus honestly, if I am going to hold out for most of the day in some way, I would rather have more freedom in that final meal, and if following this how it should be, then the goal is still less than 30g of fat a day even with the mixed meal. That leaves no room for fat or fun choices in the evenings. Howver I can fast all day, and then have pizza at night and not look much worse for the wear the next morning. If I do that on this diet, I look like a bloated whale in the morning. I want my restriction to be complimented by a freedon I have earned and for me, I did not get that with this. So between that, and not enough meat for me I decided not to adjust things to make it work and just see how it worked for me. For me it was fine if perfect and bad if not perfect, add that to missing my meats and it just wasn't a good fit for me personally.
One thing I have noticed in my normal day to day life is that my "normal" eating it typically always in some level of maintenance, whether I way 185, 195, or 205. I have to work at it to gain weight, as I also have to work at it to lose weight. we'll see if that is still true now that I'm a few years older but I'd love to see if I can do this fruit-only method for mornings until I hit a targeted cut weight, then shift to a more relaxed lifestyle at maintenance.
I think that is just the case regardless. Maintenance is easier and requires less than progress. You still have to work harder or restrict more no matter which approach you use in that instance. So it comes down to having to do more for the progress you want. I don't think this is a magic bullet by any means, but if it fits into your life well, and you enjoy it, I have no doubts it can do the job. I am currently considering dumbing things down to 3 800 calorie meals, or something similar in simplicity that allows for 3 bigger meals, be good on it and see if i even notice much difference at all. I am pretty sure I know the answer to this already. It all works as long as the caloric levels target the goal...
 
I think that is just the case regardless. Maintenance is easier and requires less than progress. You still have to work harder or restrict more no matter which approach you use in that instance. So it comes down to having to do more for the progress you want. I don't think this is a magic bullet by any means, but if it fits into your life well, and you enjoy it, I have no doubts it can do the job. I am currently considering dumbing things down to 3 800 calorie meals, or something similar in simplicity that allows for 3 bigger meals, be good on it and see if i even notice much difference at all. I am pretty sure I know the answer to this already. It all works as long as the caloric levels target the goal...

Yeah when I was cruising at 180-185lbs or less for years it would be a grind to get down leaner, and I had to intentionally add food to bulk up, but chilling there, or chilling here.. basically normal daily business. I think short term that's the experiemental goal. get to a leaner walking around weight, then see where maintenance lies. just use various efforts like the fruit/sugar diet or fasting to get there in the short term.
 
Got a lil bit of training done yesterday, but realized I need to get a couple things before kicking this off. I forgot my gymnastic ring set up broke so I didn't have everything i needed to do what I wanted. Diet was in check yesterday too. I also got my hour walk in at lunch yesterday too. Went shirtless to get a little extra vitamin D and avoid turning pasty white again during the summer months. :)

I came in to some nice compliments from the ladies at the security desk. The kind that could land a man in PC jail. Apparently one of them saw me out walking while they were coming in to the office for their shift. So they made some comments when I came in. One of them said "Damn Mr. Sexy, I see you, you know what you are doing walking around shirtless or coming in from outside in your tank top looking all sexy!" LOL

It is funny when you don't see yourself as anything super special and are trying to make improvements that others are complimenting me where I am now, that I am not quite happy with yet. Just goes to show you how hard we are on ourselves. The rest of the population has it wrong when they think we think our shiz don't stink. I think most of us think we are way worse off than we are.
 
Got a lil bit of training done yesterday, but realized I need to get a couple things before kicking this off. I forgot my gymnastic ring set up broke so I didn't have everything i needed to do what I wanted. Diet was in check yesterday too. I also got my hour walk in at lunch yesterday too. Went shirtless to get a little extra vitamin D and avoid turning pasty white again during the summer months. :)

I came in to some nice compliments from the ladies at the security desk. The kind that could land a man in PC jail. Apparently one of them saw me out walking while they were coming in to the office for their shift. So they made some comments when I came in. One of them said "Damn Mr. Sexy, I see you, you know what you are doing walking around shirtless or coming in from outside in your tank top looking all sexy!" LOL

It is funny when you don't see yourself as anything super special and are trying to make improvements that others are complimenting me where I am now, that I am not quite happy with yet. Just goes to show you how hard we are on ourselves. The rest of the population has it wrong when they think we think our shiz don't stink. I think most of us think we are way worse off than we are.
You better watch it, those ladies are going to start throwing money at you saying “make it rain”.😎
That’s probably the highlight of their day.
 
It is funny when you don't see yourself as anything super special and are trying to make improvements that others are complimenting me where I am now, that I am not quite happy with yet. Just goes to show you how hard we are on ourselves. The rest of the population has it wrong when they think we think our shiz don't stink. I think most of us think we are way worse off than we are.

😂 😂 😂 I don't think guys walk around thinking this type of stuff about ourselves lol!! reading your post I was remembering my xfit days when I'd get comments about how my pants make my ass look great and the gals asking how to get their chest as big as mine 😂😂😂 I never thought anything of it! Maybe we get stuck in our wind tunnel of focus and forget there is a world outside that occassionally looks behind the curtain, IDK but congrats on the positive feedback for sure. Gives ya that much more confidence when you get home ;)


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My wife gets self-conscious about her appearance often, not wanting to wear a two-piece suit unless she’s got visible abs.

I’m like babe, it’s 2025 in America: if you don’t have rolls, you’re lean! The majority of women 30% bodyfat & up wear two-pieces these days for crying out loud.
 
there probably isn't a level of obesity that I don't want to see in a 2 piece tbh, I'm able to compartmentalize the bits I want to see vs the ones I don't, but yeah 99% of the women who think they can't wear one probably can very well.
 
You better watch it, those ladies are going to start throwing money at you saying “make it rain”.😎
That’s probably the highlight of their day.
Bring on the dollars Baby!!!!

They sure do act like it does.
😂 😂 😂 I don't think guys walk around thinking this type of stuff about ourselves lol!! reading your post I was remembering my xfit days when I'd get comments about how my pants make my ass look great and the gals asking how to get their chest as big as mine 😂😂😂 I never thought anything of it! Maybe we get stuck in our wind tunnel of focus and forget there is a world outside that occassionally looks behind the curtain, IDK but congrats on the positive feedback for sure. Gives ya that much more confidence when you get home ;)


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LOL, yeah, I mean I notice the obvious ones, but the sly ones can slide right by. I also never notice if I am being looked at anymore. I am sure part of that is that I don't look women I don't know in the eye in passing anymore. Just to avoid the dumb crap like being considered a creep.
My wife gets self-conscious about her appearance often, not wanting to wear a two-piece suit unless she’s got visible abs.

I’m like babe, it’s 2025 in America: if you don’t have rolls, you’re lean! The majority of women 30% bodyfat & up wear two-pieces these days for crying out loud.
Amen to that, I have the same issue with my wife. I am always trying to get her more comfortable in her own skin.
there probably isn't a level of obesity that I don't want to see in a 2 piece tbh, I'm able to compartmentalize the bits I want to see vs the ones I don't, but yeah 99% of the women who think they can't wear one probably can very well.
I wish I had that super-power, there is a definitely level of obesity that I simply think is disgusting to have to look at in a bikini. It takes work to get there, it is not a chubby, or thick woman, but a morbidly obese woman does ZERO for me, actually subzero because it is a completely negative experience for me. I don't think they are less valuable as a human or anything. I just don't want to see that exposed like that.
 
I wish I had that super-power, there is a definitely level of obesity that I simply think is disgusting to have to look at in a bikini. It takes work to get there, it is not a chubby, or thick woman, but a morbidly obese woman does ZERO for me, actually subzero because it is a completely negative experience for me. I don't think they are less valuable as a human or anything. I just don't want to see that exposed like that.

I mean if you're so big that I'm wondering if you have an extra large seated toilet at home then yea, lol. I'm just saying women can hold a lot more weight than they think and still be pretty damn sexy. I'm not a pro-body image type person by any means my wife is a petite brunette and that's my thing, but there are lots of skinny women or whatever with shitty attitudes and I definitely think attitude is 9/10ths of attraction.
 
Big girls need love too...

I like em' Thicker Than A Snickers
 
I mean if you're so big that I'm wondering if you have an extra large seated toilet at home then yea, lol. I'm just saying women can hold a lot more weight than they think and still be pretty damn sexy. I'm not a pro-body image type person by any means my wife is a petite brunette and that's my thing, but there are lots of skinny women or whatever with shitty attitudes and I definitely think attitude is 9/10ths of attraction.
I definitely agree that women think they need to be a lot thinner than most men want them. I have always said I would rather have someone 20-30lbs overweight than 20-30lbs underweight. It is unfortunate, because they don't even go off of what men say they want, but what media, models and actresses do. So many women out there have ruined their beauty by getting and staying too skinny. I can think of several women who were gorgeous at first then got so skinny they look like if Skeletor had a sister. Angelina Jolie is one of them who messed up her looks by getting too skinny. A lot of the female stars out there have gone too far and when I see them I just want to give them a couple weeks worth of desserts to get them up to decent weight / bodyfat level.

I can somewhat agree with that, I would say it is more like 10/10 physical at first, then once you get to know them the score adjusts based on if you find other things about them attractive. The other things can definitely boost the bottom line on attraction up quite a bit for them in the same way having an ugly soul can detract from the attractiveness from a very physically attractive woman.
Big girls need love too...

I like em' Thicker Than A Snickers
They sure do, and plenty of people out there to give it to them too. They even have a chance with a stud like you. :)

Honestly, it isn't so much about size, as how that size is composed. A relatively proportionate big girl is fine, but if they look sloppy fat, I find it unattractive. I guess I just don't like the extremes. I don't like extremely large breasts, or butts either. I do like them large but once you get into extremes I just lose interest. It is a me thing, there is nothing wrong with these people specifically, but my own personal preferences, and or hang ups.
 
Had a relatively gym free week. I did tons of walking but was only able to get in the gym once. Pumped a decent upper body session, got dinner went back to the room ate and passed out. I kept food pretty reasonable, so not much change in either direction. When I got home last night I tried to hang with the family for a minute, but passed out on the couch and was sent to the room to go to bed. Finally feel I caught up on a little sleep from 7 last night until 10:30 this morning. Honestly, I could go lay back down and probably fall right back asleep again. Which might just happen after a meal.

I am going to do some basic break in training for bodyweight work over the weekend and try to have everything ready and in place to focus on the Calisthenics program I selected to start Monday.
 
Going to do some prep work in the garage today, make it a little more friendly to the program I am going to be starting. Move some things out of the way and make some space. Hang my TRX system up. Hopefully I can figure out a way to cool it down in there too. The heat is the biggest problem with it being unfinished the roof just gets so damn hot and then just radiates into the garage all day making it well over 100 in there. Even the fan is just blowing ridiculously hot air down from the roof.
 
thats wild man, I almost need to wear a coat to do my morning dog walk and even this morning I snagged another 1k steps on a walk around our building and my hands were getting crispy cold. supposed to warm up again next week though, but still only going to be like 80-83f I think.
 
thats wild man, I almost need to wear a coat to do my morning dog walk and even this morning I snagged another 1k steps on a walk around our building and my hands were getting crispy cold. supposed to warm up again next week though, but still only going to be like 80-83f I think.
Yeah, once it gets over 85 out there that roof starts getting hot to the touch and the shingles just hold the heat and radiate it down into the garage even after the sun goes down. So it becomes a hot box out there. I am going to have to do some garage door repairs and get some warehouse insulation rolls and just staple it to the rafters to insulate it. Put a vent fan in the roof and let it pull the heat out. The wife and I are planning to cut gym memberships and just upgrade the garage with the money we are spending on gym memberships. So the insulation, maybe an AC unit, or a condenser fan, and some flooring will be done over time. The garage door, and insulation will be first.
 
You start earlier for work right? Like shifting to morning training when it’s coolest for a couple months isn’t very feasible right? Because that’s the only way I survive the barbell club right now, getting in at the low point for the day where it’s really just humidity, not the actual temperature, to handle.
 
pumped to see what your home gym turns into!
my wife really loves the setup we've built her over the past half decade. I think about it all the time but I think I like the energy at my Tacoma gym, even if I'm just in my headphones and in the zone, I feed off it a bit.

of course if I were doing my own gym I'd paint the walls black, have some choice posters up, and focus on the sound system 😂

edit, now that I think of it thats exactly what we did when I bought that xfit gym haha. immediately painted everything and focused on the sound system and I put a tv in the lobby streaming nothing but sports 24/7 😂 😂
 
Home gyms are great if you can invest the time and money into it. It also made a huge difference for me when I put in mats and hung mirrors up (yes, vain). I still have photos with bodybuilders I've met over the years that I'd love to hang up on the walls. Just haven't gotten around to it yet 3 years in...

I wish I could do the whole sound system thing, but since I workout in the AM - I'd end up making a lot of people in the house angry at 5 in the morning, LOL. So headphones it is!
 
You start earlier for work right? Like shifting to morning training when it’s coolest for a couple months isn’t very feasible right? Because that’s the only way I survive the barbell club right now, getting in at the low point for the day where it’s really just humidity, not the actual temperature, to handle.
Yes, I have to be downtown and clocked in before 6:30AM. So I am already up at 4:30-4:45, not much more time to cut out and still have time to spend with the family in the evenings. I am definitely finding trying to do this in the afternoon is pretty much ineffective. I get so hot I am not able to work hard for long.
pumped to see what your home gym turns into!
my wife really loves the setup we've built her over the past half decade. I think about it all the time but I think I like the energy at my Tacoma gym, even if I'm just in my headphones and in the zone, I feed off it a bit.

of course if I were doing my own gym I'd paint the walls black, have some choice posters up, and focus on the sound system 😂

edit, now that I think of it thats exactly what we did when I bought that xfit gym haha. immediately painted everything and focused on the sound system and I put a tv in the lobby streaming nothing but sports 24/7 😂 😂
Thanks, it is already impressive by most anyone's standards. Weight or lack of equipment are definitely not my issue. Now it is just the ridiculous heat. I definitely have quite the sound system in my garage. It is just right now it is too hot out there for me to build much momentum.
Home gyms are great if you can invest the time and money into it. It also made a huge difference for me when I put in mats and hung mirrors up (yes, vain). I still have photos with bodybuilders I've met over the years that I'd love to hang up on the walls. Just haven't gotten around to it yet 3 years in...

I wish I could do the whole sound system thing, but since I workout in the AM - I'd end up making a lot of people in the house angry at 5 in the morning, LOL. So headphones it is!
Oh I agree, if I had more mirrors it would be much better out there. I only have on small one, and I go do some of my work in front of that little thing. LOL I know my wife would use the garage gym if it weren't such a bro space. Up to this point function has been the only concern, but now it is time to do a bit more to make it a more enjoyable space.

So last week was not a great week for training. I did some pump work in the gym. and some basic body weight stuff here and there. I did two body weight sessions over the weekend in the garage. It was just brutal out there, but I got some decent work in. Diet was not so great, was in visiting mode with Mom here, and honestly, since I dropped the vape in the trash in the airport on the way to California my appetite has surged a bit the last 10 days, and energy is down from not being geeked out on nicotine all day. So in a bit of an adjustment period right now.

I got some parallettes and was surprised I was able to do and hold a couple of L-Sits. Making gradual improvements, but honestly a bit more challenging than expected with my injuries, but also feels like it will force me to improve in the ways I needs too. It is just taking a bit longer to be able to stabilize my scaps and shoulders to where things get easier. This is honestly a humbling challenge, but I think in the end it will help, and maybe I can learn to do some cool and impressive exercises in the end. :)
 
Man I know it has to be brutal in that Texas heat. Hopefully in the next few weeks there will be some relief and temperatures will start dropping.
I think you’ll do really well with your body weight training. That’s mainly what I did during that 8 year layoff from the gym, between 44 and 52. I stayed in good shape doing body weight exercises and Kenpo Karate, as well as playing sports on the weekend. I didn’t have any knee problems then, and was still very athletic for my mid to late 40s. I actually ran lots of wind sprints to keep my speed up, did whole body body weight exercises Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Martial arts Tuesday and Thursday, and whatever sports that were in season most Saturdays. I do believe that type of athletic training keeps your core, conditioning, and joints in great shape. Of course diet was still important.
But I think with your drive and dedication to what you set your mind on, that you will enjoy that and do excellent. Hey and I’m sure you’ll show some of the young bucks a thing are two.💪😎
 
One thing that appeals to me about the bodyweight approach is maybe improving flexibility and being lower impact on the body. I've stayed religious these past few weeks about getting my dog out for walks but I have to admit the non stop consistency I've had the past month has left me pretty sore. If I increase our walk to a jog or run I don't last long before pretty much everything is starting to hurt lol.
 
Man I know it has to be brutal in that Texas heat. Hopefully in the next few weeks there will be some relief and temperatures will start dropping.
I think you’ll do really well with your body weight training. That’s mainly what I did during that 8 year layoff from the gym, between 44 and 52. I stayed in good shape doing body weight exercises and Kenpo Karate, as well as playing sports on the weekend. I didn’t have any knee problems then, and was still very athletic for my mid to late 40s. I actually ran lots of wind sprints to keep my speed up, did whole body body weight exercises Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Martial arts Tuesday and Thursday, and whatever sports that were in season most Saturdays. I do believe that type of athletic training keeps your core, conditioning, and joints in great shape. Of course diet was still important.
But I think with your drive and dedication to what you set your mind on, that you will enjoy that and do excellent. Hey and I’m sure you’ll show some of the young bucks a thing are two.💪😎
Yeah, that is my goal, just get that athletic ability back, and learn something new. Create a skill and functionality in my body I have not explored yet. As I am getting older, and especially after having curbed most athletic activity, I noticed my movement, balance, fluidity, and flexibility dropped so quickly in just 2 years of being careful not to get injured that I am so unstable, tight, and basically just out of touch with my body that I want to focus on this aspect while I have time to correct it, and then keep it a point of focus as I move forward.
One thing that appeals to me about the bodyweight approach is maybe improving flexibility and being lower impact on the body. I've stayed religious these past few weeks about getting my dog out for walks but I have to admit the non stop consistency I've had the past month has left me pretty sore. If I increase our walk to a jog or run I don't last long before pretty much everything is starting to hurt lol.
Yeah, I think in a lot of ways it is lower impact depending on how done, but not explosive movements. The key for longevity is going to be maintaining explosiveness though. You need to be able to get your foot back out in front of you explosively if you trip, or you are absolutely going down. I definitely feel as things move on and I get better at some of this that I will be able to maintain a very muscular physique, while having solid athletic ability, and hopefully be able to do some cool stuff a year down the road. It would be cool to do some flagstaffs or something like that at some point.
Nice work dropping the vape!
Thanks!!! It has been challenging. Not to decide not to do it, but just the instances where my first thing to do would be to grab my vape. I have to remind myself I don't vape any more. It seems to be happening less and less the last week. My wife is also telling me since her flavor is pretty much sold out that she is going to quit now too once her last vape is gone. So it will be much easier once the wife is not vaping as well. Even Sage is talking about quitting too. So that would be awesome. Hopefully they will follow my lead.
 
these two things remind me of two quotes I heard recently that were pretty impactful!

I have to remind myself I don't vape any more.
I think it was Robert Rodriguez (Dusk till Dawn, El Mariachi Desperado, etc) who said that once he changed from saying he was an aspiring movie director to calling himself a movie director, it changed his life. I feel like that statement is huge mentally for everyone no matter what they're doing or trying not to do.

So it will be much easier once the wife is not vaping as well. Even Sage is talking about quitting too. So that would be awesome. Hopefully they will follow my lead.

This one reminds me of Rivelino. He's an account on X that comes across as a bit misogynistic,but when you get into the weeds of what he's saying there's a lot of value for men, even if it comes across as sometimes ugly and blunt, he's right. One of the big quotes that stuck with me was "She is like a mirror". basically implying you'll see in her what you present. kinda profound!
 
I think it was Robert Rodriguez (Dusk till Dawn, El Mariachi Desperado, etc) who said that once he changed from saying he was an aspiring movie director to calling himself a movie director, it changed his life. I feel like that statement is huge mentally for everyone no matter what they're doing or trying not to
I once had a meal with Adam Dirks after his lifting seminar, where I was talking about my training & mentioned that I’m a poor benchpresser. He politely stopped me, looked me straight in the eye and said something to the effect of, “No you’re not; don’t speak that way about yourself, even casually. Instead say something like ‘I haven’t done what I know I’m capable of yet’ that keeps your mindset positive.’ What you think is what you become.”

He wasn’t blowing smoke; we hadn’t even talked about my numbers yet. He just understood how important the mind is in executing anything.

As soon as I started to think about myself as a 600lb squatter, that’s when I finally did it. Same to finally bench 405.
 
I have been trying to get my MIL to adopt this mindset with the cancer. I told her most of the fight is in her mind, her will to survive and thrive! I told her she has to just keep telling herself she will get through this. We had a goodbye moment that broke my heart this morning. She is flying out before I get home from work today, and has her surgery next week. She just held on for a bit then started crying and asking me to take care of her Baby. Thanking me for being such a good husband and son. She told me that she is afraid this might be her last time to see us and is worried about JoAnn. I had to keep things positive, and build her up, even though there is a piece of me that is fearful this might be our last visit too. I am not a worrier, I will deal with the emotions as they come based on what is actually happening. I am lucky in that regard, but my poor wife is a natural worrier, so I know I will be navigating some dangerous water in the coming months depending on how treatment goes.
 
Oh yeah, I got my walk in yesterday while fasted, then had Shrimp & Chicken Carbonaro at Olive Garden for Mom's send off dinner. I will get some training in later today.
 
I have been trying to get my MIL to adopt this mindset with the cancer. I told her most of the fight is in her mind, her will to survive and thrive! I told her she has to just keep telling herself she will get through this. We had a goodbye moment that broke my heart this morning. She is flying out before I get home from work today, and has her surgery next week. She just held on for a bit then started crying and asking me to take care of her Baby. Thanking me for being such a good husband and son. She told me that she is afraid this might be her last time to see us and is worried about JoAnn. I had to keep things positive, and build her up, even though there is a piece of me that is fearful this might be our last visit too. I am not a worrier, I will deal with the emotions as they come based on what is actually happening. I am lucky in that regard, but my poor wife is a natural worrier, so I know I will be navigating some dangerous water in the coming months depending on how treatment goes.
Man, I know that has to be tough for you with your MIL. Glad you were able to build her up and give her some comfort. One thing I was thankful of with my Mom was she was able to keep a positive attitude even to the end. We basically didn’t talk about the Cancer unless she wanted to talk and get it off of her chest. It truly is devastating not only to the loved one who has it, but the family as well. I’ll keep you and your wife in my prayers and hope your MIL’s surgery goes well.🙏
 
Thanks @gphagan1 these times definitely test your ability to remain positive. I had to tell my wife she needed to have the moment with her mom. She wanted to be so strong for her, and I told her, your Mom knows you are in pain, and wants to be there for you as a parent. You need to let her have that moment. You need to let her see you are scared and let her hold you and make you feel better. You can't rob her of that moment where she feels she was able to comfort you. It is important to her and will make her feel less helpless by helping you. It took a little coaxing, but she finally did, and they had that moment that needed to happen just in case this was the last time they got to see each other. It is hard knowing that everything from here on out for a while is going to be hard, and we won't be there to help her. We tend to swoop in and save the day if we can, and not being able to do that right now is painful for all of us.
 
Thanks @gphagan1 these times definitely test your ability to remain positive. I had to tell my wife she needed to have the moment with her mom. She wanted to be so strong for her, and I told her, your Mom knows you are in pain, and wants to be there for you as a parent. You need to let her have that moment. You need to let her see you are scared and let her hold you and make you feel better. You can't rob her of that moment where she feels she was able to comfort you. It is important to her and will make her feel less helpless by helping you. It took a little coaxing, but she finally did, and they had that moment that needed to happen just in case this was the last time they got to see each other. It is hard knowing that everything from here on out for a while is going to be hard, and we won't be there to help her. We tend to swoop in and save the day if we can, and not being able to do that right now is painful for all of us.
That was such good advice for your wife, and truly does bring healing to the soul of your wife and her Mother.😍
 
I'll try not to get emotional but my wife kept telling me I should join one of the mens support groups since she was in a handful of breast cancer groups and she was seeing men in there as well, not as patients or survivors but as husbands who were struggling and had no idea what to do for their wives. It's really hard to be in your shoes where you are largely an observer. Cancer isn't a deal where we can go kill an animal or cut down trees to warm them, its a wait and see situation where all you can really do is give them love and support and then you end up suffering a bit in silence on your own because you're in this situation where you know you aren't the sick one and you feel as though all you can do is be strong, plus at times, feeling the pain publicly feels a little selfish. I'd say about 99% of my tears came at night after she was asleep. A year later she organized a cancer walk which coincidentally ended up being exactly 1 year post diagnosis. We realized how many women had silently been through it, and how lost their husbands were. That one year point was an interesting time for my wife and I, I remember all the emotions that she and I had contained as we focused only on healing, treatment, and next steps, finally just sorta exploded from us both (not negatively, not a fight). It literally was one year later that we actually openly let the pain, fear, sadness, all of that flow.

It's super hard to see someone you love fight cancer, especially us not being doctors, not being able to directly give them treatment. It leaves you a little lost to as what services you can possibly provide in their time of need, and it's exactly what you're doing, just love and support.
 
Yeah, that really summarizes it well. It is hard to figure out what is the right amount of stoicism, and emotional support to offer and when to flip those switches. I have tried to be as stoic as possible regarding that she WILL get better, and this is just another health issue to deal with and get through. However still trying to show I recognize the weight of the situation but expect a positive outcome.
 
However still trying to show I recognize the weight of the situation but expect a positive outcome.
that's an incredibly tough balancing act. my co-worker had that small heart attack a few months ago and has surgery to repair some stuff in a couple weeks. he's only 41 so I imagine most of his is induced by lifestyle (stress, smoked up until the heart attack, not a gym rat although skinny). I make light of it a lot because I don't let him walk around with a cloud over his head, but I also try to support him in any new healthy endeavors and let him know that I take his health seriously, sharing Hubberman podcasts, inviting him to the gym when he gets the OK from doc, etc.
 
that's an incredibly tough balancing act. my co-worker had that small heart attack a few months ago and has surgery to repair some stuff in a couple weeks. he's only 41 so I imagine most of his is induced by lifestyle (stress, smoked up until the heart attack, not a gym rat although skinny). I make light of it a lot because I don't let him walk around with a cloud over his head, but I also try to support him in any new healthy endeavors and let him know that I take his health seriously, sharing Hubberman podcasts, inviting him to the gym when he gets the OK from doc, etc.
That is a very positive way to deal with that. I hope he appreciates it.
 
I'll try not to get emotional but my wife kept telling me I should join one of the mens support groups since she was in a handful of breast cancer groups and she was seeing men in there as well, not as patients or survivors but as husbands who were struggling and had no idea what to do for their wives. It's really hard to be in your shoes where you are largely an observer. Cancer isn't a deal where we can go kill an animal or cut down trees to warm them, its a wait and see situation where all you can really do is give them love and support and then you end up suffering a bit in silence on your own because you're in this situation where you know you aren't the sick one and you feel as though all you can do is be strong, plus at times, feeling the pain publicly feels a little selfish. I'd say about 99% of my tears came at night after she was asleep. A year later she organized a cancer walk which coincidentally ended up being exactly 1 year post diagnosis. We realized how many women had silently been through it, and how lost their husbands were. That one year point was an interesting time for my wife and I, I remember all the emotions that she and I had contained as we focused only on healing, treatment, and next steps, finally just sorta exploded from us both (not negatively, not a fight). It literally was one year later that we actually openly let the pain, fear, sadness, all of that flow.

It's super hard to see someone you love fight cancer, especially us not being doctors, not being able to directly give them treatment. It leaves you a little lost to as what services you can possibly provide in their time of need, and it's exactly what you're doing, just love and support.
Very well said.👍👏
 
Wishing your family strength and wellness in this tough time, Kleen. You have a good emotional outlook on it all, and that’s the best thing you can do for all involved.
 
Wishing your family strength and wellness in this tough time, Kleen. You have a good emotional outlook on it all, and that’s the best thing you can do for all involved.
Thanks Hyde! That is one thing I try the most is to be in touch with my emotions and how you deal with or address them are IMHO the biggest factor in life satisfaction and happiness. If you can remain positive all challenges are easier to handle. So I do my best to keep positivity flowing, while also being accountable.
 
I hope everyone is doing well. Life has been a bit chaotic the last couple of weeks. Between visits, travel, family illness, and car troubles I haven't really been able catch any traction with fitness goals. Being honest with myself, I could be forcing the issue, but I feel like my bandwidth is already pretty full at this time. Especially for taking on a completely new style of training. So, I think while I am having the motivational lull I will just return to some basic bodybuilding hypertrophy / pump type sessions for a bit, but add in more body weight and mobility work where I can. Then I can gradually move more in that direction as things improve.

I can also say for certain that not being buzzed on nicotine all day has affected not only my appetite but my energy levels. So trying to readjust, and apply a little more discipline to eating again. Especially once I get back from Dallas Monday or Tuesday where it will be easier to do so. The visits and travel have had me too relaxed on my diet, and I think I have added back a couple lbs of real weight over the last couple of weeks. Previously I wasn't really getting hungry due to the nicotine but now I am more likely to make a poor decision since appetite is up.

My BP seems to be down a bit. My ears are less red, and no tinnitus at all. Occasionally after a few hits off the vape it would make my ears ring. That is completely gone now. I should go ahead and take my BP, I just haven't thought about it at a good time to do it. I know it was consistently in normal ranges after taking medication while on cycle, but a little high if before I took it. So, I imagine it is staying in normal ranges at all times now, and just even lower after medication.

Anyway, not whining, just telling it like I see it. Right now, I am just not motivated enough to really push so I am going on cruise control for a little bit longer while not very motivated. Other than that, I will tighten the diet back up a little to continue to try to get a little leaner since that is pretty simple to do.

Along the same vein, I may be posting less on here for the next little while. I have more project work here at work, home improvement projects I have to tackle, and a possible career opportunity I might need to dedicate myself to some serious studies if I want to try to take the opportunity. So, I am not sure how much time I will have to get on here and follow along.
 
I hope everyone is doing well. Life has been a bit chaotic the last couple of weeks. Between visits, travel, family illness, and car troubles I haven't really been able catch any traction with fitness goals. Being honest with myself, I could be forcing the issue, but I feel like my bandwidth is already pretty full at this time. Especially for taking on a completely new style of training. So, I think while I am having the motivational lull I will just return to some basic bodybuilding hypertrophy / pump type sessions for a bit, but add in more body weight and mobility work where I can. Then I can gradually move more in that direction as things improve.

I can also say for certain that not being buzzed on nicotine all day has affected not only my appetite but my energy levels. So trying to readjust, and apply a little more discipline to eating again. Especially once I get back from Dallas Monday or Tuesday where it will be easier to do so. The visits and travel have had me too relaxed on my diet, and I think I have added back a couple lbs of real weight over the last couple of weeks. Previously I wasn't really getting hungry due to the nicotine but now I am more likely to make a poor decision since appetite is up.

My BP seems to be down a bit. My ears are less red, and no tinnitus at all. Occasionally after a few hits off the vape it would make my ears ring. That is completely gone now. I should go ahead and take my BP, I just haven't thought about it at a good time to do it. I know it was consistently in normal ranges after taking medication while on cycle, but a little high if before I took it. So, I imagine it is staying in normal ranges at all times now, and just even lower after medication.

Anyway, not whining, just telling it like I see it. Right now, I am just not motivated enough to really push so I am going on cruise control for a little bit longer while not very motivated. Other than that, I will tighten the diet back up a little to continue to try to get a little leaner since that is pretty simple to do.

Along the same vein, I may be posting less on here for the next little while. I have more project work here at work, home improvement projects I have to tackle, and a possible career opportunity I might need to dedicate myself to some serious studies if I want to try to take the opportunity. So, I am not sure how much time I will have to get on here and follow along.
Man with everything you’ve got going on, you just need to take care of yourself and your family, and go with what works for you. Glad you got some good news on a possible career opportunity. Hopefully you will be able to get it, and things will start smoothing out for you.👍
 
Man with everything you’ve got going on, you just need to take care of yourself and your family, and go with what works for you. Glad you got some good news on a possible career opportunity. Hopefully you will be able to get it, and things will start smoothing out for you.👍
Agreed, tis the season to focus more on other things and just keep this part of things fun, stress free, and beneficial to my health. Any of us who have been doing this long enough knows that sometimes you are gung ho for these goals, and sometimes you are just trying to maintain or not backslide much while focusing on other priorities. As long as it remains a part of your lifestyle you will always return with more focus and motivation when things balance out.

Yeah, this career opportunity could be a game changer, but it is basically a complete career change, while still IT related, it is in an area I have zero exposure to. He wants to bring me on doing SCADA work while training me to build a team of IT and SCADA specialists as well as training me to bring in new clients and business which is where he says he sees me flourishing. So he wants me to get good enough at SCADA to be able to recognize talent, put together a team, and know enough to run them and understand what they are talking about. That way he can bill me out for SCADA work also while training me to bring in clients for the business. He is also planning to start a more basic IT Services, and wants me involved in the building of that side of the business.

This is actually the 2nd time he tried to hire me. Some of you may remember a few years back I mentioned possibly changing careers with him. However at that time he could not promise me the same salary to start, it was contract, did not have benefits and couldn't promise permanent employment. Now he has grown into a 10,000,000 dollar a year company and are already on par to double that this year. I kind of wish I had done it back then, he said I would be making about 240,000 a year already if I had started then. I just couldn't take the pay cut, and no benefits at that point. He is offering me a pay increase just to move over once we can get me trained up, and then after that what I bring to the company will bring in more for me. This could be any time within the next year, he has to find a billable position to drop me into, but he wants me to be ready with the SCADA stuff. So I have to start studying now.
 
Agreed, tis the season to focus more on other things and just keep this part of things fun, stress free, and beneficial to my health. Any of us who have been doing this long enough knows that sometimes you are gung ho for these goals, and sometimes you are just trying to maintain or not backslide much while focusing on other priorities. As long as it remains a part of your lifestyle you will always return with more focus and motivation when things balance out.

Yeah, this career opportunity could be a game changer, but it is basically a complete career change, while still IT related, it is in an area I have zero exposure to. He wants to bring me on doing SCADA work while training me to build a team of IT and SCADA specialists as well as training me to bring in new clients and business which is where he says he sees me flourishing. So he wants me to get good enough at SCADA to be able to recognize talent, put together a team, and know enough to run them and understand what they are talking about. That way he can bill me out for SCADA work also while training me to bring in clients for the business. He is also planning to start a more basic IT Services, and wants me involved in the building of that side of the business.

This is actually the 2nd time he tried to hire me. Some of you may remember a few years back I mentioned possibly changing careers with him. However at that time he could not promise me the same salary to start, it was contract, did not have benefits and couldn't promise permanent employment. Now he has grown into a 10,000,000 dollar a year company and are already on par to double that this year. I kind of wish I had done it back then, he said I would be making about 240,000 a year already if I had started then. I just couldn't take the pay cut, and no benefits at that point. He is offering me a pay increase just to move over once we can get me trained up, and then after that what I bring to the company will bring in more for me. This could be any time within the next year, he has to find a billable position to drop me into, but he wants me to be ready with the SCADA stuff. So I have to start studying now.
That sounds awesome…. I know with how you go all in on something, that you will excel at whatever you put your mind to.👍
 
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