Kidney health?

[BBiceps]

Are you guys taking anything for the kidneys?

The last 10yrs or so my kidney values have came back slightly high, according to Dr’s I’m about to both have liver and kidney failureexcept those times I’ve taken 3-4 days off from the gym so my question is, how accurate is the testing?

Example, last yr I did bloods right after heavy deadlifts and my values came back high, my Dr freaked out (actually both liver and kidneys was high), I told I’m fine but he scheduled me for another blood test. I took 4-5 days off the gym and retested the next week and both liver and kidneys came back in range.

I know I push my body to the limit most of the time but how worried should I be when I know if I’m fully rested I’m good?

Idk, I should probably switch Dr, the one I have now is obese and stupid but he gives me the refills I want, I know I should do the effort and find another Dr that can both give me the refills and being a good Dr.

 

[Nac]

You take astragalus? That and pretty much anything which helps control blood pressure will benefit the kidneys.

 

[Renew1]

You take astragalus? That and pretty much anything which helps control blood pressure will benefit the kidneys.

^^^ That's something I take, as well.

 

[Tunaking14]

Kidney Assist XT | Serious Nutrition Solutions

 

[Mathb33]

Personally the only time my levels were high was due to orals or meds. Last year they were high but it was due to telmisartan ortherwise yes lifting heavy can get your levels higher but only to certain extend imo.

if your kidney values been off and liver as well for years I would seriously be worried and I’m surprised you haven’t taken any actions if it’s been like that for YEARS.

the longer an organ is under stress (high value is usually an indicator of stress) the more damage you’re possibly having long term…

fix this stuff bro

 

[Rad83]

I’ve used astragalus last time I had a blood work issue and 4 grams for a couple weeks plus the 6 days off lifting got me back in range.

Has anyone used the doublewood brand of astragalus? I’m lookin for a new one

 

[BBiceps]

You take astragalus? That and pretty much anything which helps control blood pressure will benefit the kidneys.

No, but it’s something I will get, thanks.

 

[BBiceps]

Personally the only time my levels were high was due to orals or meds. Last year they were high but it was due to telmisartan ortherwise yes lifting heavy can get your levels higher but only to certain extend imo.

if your kidney values been off and liver as well for years I would seriously be worried and I’m surprised you haven’t taken any actions if it’s been like that for YEARS.

the longer an organ is under stress (high value is usually an indicator of stress) the more damage you’re possibly having long term…

fix this stuff bro

The thing is that my other Dr’s wasn’t worried (they unfortunately don’t take my insurance anymore) so it’s only this fat idiot Dr I have now that’s making a big deal out of it. When I look at my blood work it’s only 1 or 2 points over so it’s not like it’s way over, idk, I need to switch Dr, this fvcking idiot annoys me too much.

 

[ELROCK]

Kidney Assist XT | Serious Nutrition Solutions

I was going to say this ^

 

[Rad83]

I came to learn/realIze they make a big deal of it, so they can get the referral for testing, on the rare chance that there is actually something wrong.

My recent lab test, I was over the range…and doc got me kidney and bladder ultrasound.

At first I was very annoyed he ‘diagnosed’ me with stage 2 CKD….and seeing that shitt in my online portal was very alarming!

 

[Rostam]

what are your kidney and liver parameters values, and their trend?

 

[gphagan1]

Another vote for Kidney XT here.

 

[Smont]

Are you guys taking anything for the kidneys?

The last 10yrs or so my kidney values have came back slightly high, according to Dr’s I’m about to both have liver and kidney failureexcept those times I’ve taken 3-4 days off from the gym so my question is, how accurate is the testing?

Example, last yr I did bloods right after heavy deadlifts and my values came back high, my Dr freaked out (actually both liver and kidneys was high), I told I’m fine but he scheduled me for another blood test. I took 4-5 days off the gym and retested the next week and both liver and kidneys came back in range.

I know I push my body to the limit most of the time but how worried should I be when I know if I’m fully rested I’m good?

Idk, I should probably switch Dr, the one I have now is obese and stupid but he gives me the refills I want, I know I should do the effort and find another Dr that can both give me the refills and being a good Dr.

If you trained a day or 2 before your bloodwork then your liver and kidney readings are not correct. There showing there a little strained at the moment because there getting rid of waste and working hard. If you've taken 3-4 days off and bloodwork was fine, your fine

 

[Mikereyn513]

If you trained a day or 2 before your bloodwork then your liver and kidney readings are not correct. There showing there a little strained at the moment because there getting rid of waste and working hard. If you've taken 3-4 days off and bloodwork was fine, your fine

This and also make sure you hydrated when you're giving it

 

[sns8778]

Are you guys taking anything for the kidneys?

The last 10yrs or so my kidney values have came back slightly high, according to Dr’s I’m about to both have liver and kidney failureexcept those times I’ve taken 3-4 days off from the gym so my question is, how accurate is the testing?

Example, last yr I did bloods right after heavy deadlifts and my values came back high, my Dr freaked out (actually both liver and kidneys was high), I told I’m fine but he scheduled me for another blood test. I took 4-5 days off the gym and retested the next week and both liver and kidneys came back in range.

I know I push my body to the limit most of the time but how worried should I be when I know if I’m fully rested I’m good?

Idk, I should probably switch Dr, the one I have now is obese and stupid but he gives me the refills I want, I know I should do the effort and find another Dr that can both give me the refills and being a good Dr.

Training and dehydration can affect the kidney testing moreso than the liver testing, but if they're off enough that he would think kidney and liver failure, and especially with them having been off for years, I would be concerned. I wouldn't go crazy paranoid over it, but I would be concerned.

The thing is - the values being fine when you're resting is good, BUT some people take that to mean everything is fine, when it really isn't because you're never normally resting that much, so the levels they are when training are more accurate as to what they are in day to day life. I hope that makes sense.

I’ve used astragalus last time I had a blood work issue and 4 grams for a couple weeks plus the 6 days off lifting got me back in range.

Has anyone used the doublewood brand of astragalus? I’m lookin for a new one

Kidney Assist XT has Astragalus + a lot more ingredients that can help with both kidneys, liver, and urinary tract health.

No, but it’s something I will get, thanks.

Kidney Assist XT has Astragalus + a lot more in it, including ingredients that will also help with liver health.

Here is a link to the write up:

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Advanced Premium Kidney Support Supplement. Cleanse, Detox, & Support. Supports Kidney, Bladder, Liver, & Urinary Tract Health.

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[Mathb33]

If you trained a day or 2 before your bloodwork then your liver and kidney readings are not correct. There showing there a little strained at the moment because there getting rid of waste and working hard. If you've taken 3-4 days off and bloodwork was fine, your fine

Why is automatic and became the norm that we say this nowdays? I think it’s okay to say it’s a possibility but I don’t think we should go out and say

"if you trained a day or two before then your readings are NOT correct".

i certainly know my egfr remains at 106-118 even if I hit legs the day prior. creatinine levels as well as bun remain untouched as well.
My alt / ast could get let’s say between 50-60 if I trained the day before but that’s above 10 pts above range which is not worth mentioning.

if OP wrote this saying his levels were high and he means couple points off then it’s irrelevant.
for athletes who train hard, alt or ast high shouldn’t be a concerned until they’re minimum DOUBLE the top range. Especially if you only have 1 value that’s high it’s even less
Of a concern. For kidneys I would keep a closer eye on maybe.

 

[BBiceps]

Training and dehydration can affect the kidney testing moreso than the liver testing, but if they're off enough that he would think kidney and liver failure, and especially with them having been off for years, I would be concerned. I wouldn't go crazy paranoid over it, but I would be concerned.

The thing is - the values being fine when you're resting is good, BUT some people take that to mean everything is fine, when it really isn't because you're never normally resting that much, so the levels they are when training are more accurate as to what they are in day to day life. I hope that makes sense.



Kidney Assist XT has Astragalus + a lot more ingredients that can help with both kidneys, liver, and urinary tract health.



Kidney Assist XT has Astragalus + a lot more in it, including ingredients that will also help with liver health.

Here is a link to the write up:

Kidney Assist XT | Serious Nutrition Solutions

Advanced Premium Kidney Support Supplement. Cleanse, Detox, & Support. Supports Kidney, Bladder, Liver, & Urinary Tract Health.

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Thanks, it’s been a few points over for the last 10 yrs or so, unless I’m fully rested then it’s normal. It was high even before I started to take anabolics but I also have been training 2-3x a day for the last 20yrs. Nowadays I train less but it’s still days a double up but try to get at least 1-2x days off a week.

I need to find a better Dr that knows athletes and that’s not being obese that breaths heavy just walking, it’s hard to take any recommendations from someone like that.

 

[BBiceps]

Why is automatic and became the norm that we say this nowdays? I think it’s okay to say it’s a possibility but I don’t think we should go out and say

"if you trained a day or two before then your readings are NOT correct".

i certainly know my egfr remains at 106-118 even if I hit legs the day prior. creatinine levels as well as bun remain untouched as well.
My alt / ast could get let’s say between 50-60 if I trained the day before but that’s above 10 pts above range which is not worth mentioning.

if OP wrote this saying his levels were high and he means couple points off then it’s irrelevant.
for athletes who train hard, alt or ast high shouldn’t be a concerned until they’re minimum DOUBLE the top range. Especially if you only have 1 value that’s high it’s even less
Of a concern. For kidneys I would keep a closer eye on maybe.

Yeah, when I looked at it it’s only a couple of point over and when I googled it it doesn’t seems like a concern at all and like the other Dr’s in the past have said when everything else is in range it’s not that big of a deal. I need to find a new Dr, thanks for your input.

 

[Smont]

Why is automatic and became the norm that we say this nowdays? I think it’s okay to say it’s a possibility but I don’t think we should go out and say

"if you trained a day or two before then your readings are NOT correct".

i certainly know my egfr remains at 106-118 even if I hit legs the day prior. creatinine levels as well as bun remain untouched as well.
My alt / ast could get let’s say between 50-60 if I trained the day before but that’s above 10 pts above range which is not worth mentioning.

if OP wrote this saying his levels were high and he means couple points off then it’s irrelevant.
for athletes who train hard, alt or ast high shouldn’t be a concerned until they’re minimum DOUBLE the top range. Especially if you only have 1 value that’s high it’s even less
Of a concern. For kidneys I would keep a closer eye on maybe.

It's the norm to say it because the overwhelming majority of ppl have skewed bloodwork if they trained a day or 2 before bloodwork. Me personally, if I'm lifting and doing some boxing like I normally do then I need like 4 days before it looks normal. If I was just doing some "general exercises" then I could probably go in the next day. But if you read his whole post it's pretty obvious that training is the cause.

He said when he trains the readings come back fuked and if he waits 4ish days it's back to normal. I'm not saying don't worry about kidney health or take supplements to make it better. But in this particular situation im saying that if for years your at the top or Slightly over and it's never changed, and on multiple occasions you go up after exercise and down a few days later, it's the exercise before bloodwork. And many times that is the situation

 

[Mikereyn513]

Yeah, when I looked at it it’s only a couple of point over and when I googled it it doesn’t seems like a concern at all and like the other Dr’s in the past have said when everything else is in range it’s not that big of a deal. I need to find a new Dr, thanks for your input.

It's so true my Dad's doctor is borderline morbidly obese and he's always giving my dad crap about quitting smoking ( rightfully so) but my dad's point is hey ill quit smoking if you lose weight, I smoke and I don't come even close to breathing hard as yiu do

 

[sns8778]

Thanks, it’s been a few points over for the last 10 yrs or so, unless I’m fully rested then it’s normal. It was high even before I started to take anabolics but I also have been training 2-3x a day for the last 20yrs. Nowadays I train less but it’s still days a double up but try to get at least 1-2x days off a week.

I need to find a better Dr that knows athletes and that’s not being obese that breaths heavy just walking, it’s hard to take any recommendations from someone like that.

I don't know your doctor so I can't make any assumptions as to what he does or doesn't know; but I would tell anyone that if you're not comfortable with your doctor, to find one that you are.

But, also in all fairness, the way that a person looks or the shape that they are in themselves may not be an indicator of how much knowledge they have on a particular subject. I know its natural for us to all think that way, but sometimes it turns out to not be true.

I'm an example of that myself in that I have an endocrinology condition and have been to specialists at Duke, UVA, Pennsylvania, and several private practices, and the 2 best endocrinologists that I've ever seen, that finally helped me get answers - one is a guy that looks like he has never trained a day in his life and the other is a female that walks with the assistance of a cane, but she's probably forgotten more about men's hormonal issues than most doctors could ever hope to know.

You have to do what is best for you, and it could be that your doctor truly doesn't know about the subject and issues; my post here is just more to encourage anyone reading to not always base knowledge off appearance. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Rocket3015]

Training and dehydration can affect the kidney testing moreso than the liver testing, but if they're off enough that he would think kidney and liver failure, and especially with them having been off for years, I would be concerned. I wouldn't go crazy paranoid over it, but I would be concerned.

The thing is - the values being fine when you're resting is good, BUT some people take that to mean everything is fine, when it really isn't because you're never normally resting that much, so the levels they are when training are more accurate as to what they are in day to day life. I hope that makes sense.



Kidney Assist XT has Astragalus + a lot more ingredients that can help with both kidneys, liver, and urinary tract health.



Kidney Assist XT has Astragalus + a lot more in it, including ingredients that will also help with liver health.

Here is a link to the write up:

Kidney Assist XT | Serious Nutrition Solutions

Advanced Premium Kidney Support Supplement. Cleanse, Detox, & Support. Supports Kidney, Bladder, Liver, & Urinary Tract Health.

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All you need to Know !!

 

[BBiceps]

Thanks guys, I will have another Dr take a look at my values, it might be a concern but after being on a verge to have liver/kidney failure for the last yrs you would think I would of had it by now…

 

[Mathb33]

Thanks guys, I will have another Dr take a look at my values, it might be a concern but after being on a verge to have liver/kidney failure for the last yrs you would think I would of had it by now…

Why don’t you post your bloodwork here bro maybe we can take a look?

btw people on stage 2 (bad kidney levels) can stay there for 15 years before it gets really bad.
One thing is certain having bad levels for years is never good.

i would buy kidneys from revive supps and take that daily for 8 weeks+ and do more bloodworks.
I would also try to find if there’s things in my life that I can take out that would help my kidneys.

supps, protein too high? Etc.

training only rarely affects egfr which is the main indicator. so I don’t believe for a second that 10 years of bloodworks were skewed by training. It’s just not the case.

most of the time if something messes the kidney values it’s being dehydrated.

 

[BBiceps]

Why don’t you post your bloodwork here bro maybe we can take a look?

btw people on stage 2 (bad kidney levels) can stay there for 15 years before it gets really bad.
One thing is certain having bad levels for years is never good.

i would buy kidneys from revive supps and take that daily for 8 weeks+ and do more bloodworks.
I would also try to find if there’s things in my life that I can take out that would help my kidneys.

supps, protein too high? Etc.

training only rarely affects egfr which is the main indicator. so I don’t believe for a second that 10 years of bloodworks were skewed by training. It’s just not the case.

most of the time if something messes the kidney values it’s being dehydrated.

Dehydrated and high protein intake could be a factor… Sure, give me a few and I’ll post my numbers, thanks.

Btw, during all these yrs it’s been consistent with couple of points over, never outrageous over, high/low protein intake haven’t effected it.

 

[Smont]

L

Why don’t you post your bloodwork here bro maybe we can take a look?

btw people on stage 2 (bad kidney levels) can stay there for 15 years before it gets really bad.
One thing is certain having bad levels for years is never good.

i would buy kidneys from revive supps and take that daily for 8 weeks+ and do more bloodworks.
I would also try to find if there’s things in my life that I can take out that would help my kidneys.

supps, protein too high? Etc.

training only rarely affects egfr which is the main indicator. so I don’t believe for a second that 10 years of bloodworks were skewed by training. It’s just not the case.

most of the time if something messes the kidney values it’s being dehydrated.

Ok I definitely missed the 10 years of skewed readings part. I was under the impression he said any time he tested it was high after training but if he waited 4 days it was a normal reading

@BBiceps can you clarify a little. Also in the bigger scheme of things you gotta have a Dr. You trust. Even if your current doc might be great for Joe or Bob, if you don't like him your gonna constantly challenge or question a lot of his decisions so just even for a piece of mind I would look for a doc I'm confident in

 

[BBiceps]

Why don’t you post your bloodwork here bro maybe we can take a look?

btw people on stage 2 (bad kidney levels) can stay there for 15 years before it gets really bad.
One thing is certain having bad levels for years is never good.

i would buy kidneys from revive supps and take that daily for 8 weeks+ and do more bloodworks.
I would also try to find if there’s things in my life that I can take out that would help my kidneys.

supps, protein too high? Etc.

training only rarely affects egfr which is the main indicator. so I don’t believe for a second that 10 years of bloodworks were skewed by training. It’s just not the case.

most of the time if something messes the kidney values it’s being dehydrated.

BUN: 33
Creatinine: 1.58
EGFR: 55
AST: 52
ALT: 98

ALT is high, I’m not sure why.

 

[BBiceps]

L

Ok I definitely missed the 10 years of skewed readings part. I was under the impression he said any time he tested it was high after training but if he waited 4 days it was a normal reading

@BBiceps can you clarify a little. Also in the bigger scheme of things you gotta have a Dr. You trust. Even if your current doc might be great for Joe or Bob, if you don't like him your gonna constantly challenge or question a lot of his decisions so just even for a piece of mind I would look for a doc I'm confident in

So this Dr is not my main one but he takes my insurance so I go and get my refills from him (the only reason I’m seeing him is because I have medication that needs to be refilled frequently), I also do bloods with him (because of insurance) and take it to my main one, my main one doesn’t take my insurance anymore so I only see him 1-2x a yr.

The problem is that this Dr reads my bloods and trying to lecture me about what to do, for an example, my Test levels came back at 949 and to him that was high so his solution was to take 1 shot every 2 weeks instead of weekly… yeah, that’s what I’m dealing with…

 

[Mathb33]

BUN: 33
Creatinine: 1.58
EGFR: 55
AST: 52
ALT: 98

ALT is high, I’m not sure why.

AST / alt not ideal but not a worry. Such levels could indeed easily end up there cause of training.

I’ll be real honest bro not to be a dick but because I want you to take this serious… I’m assuming you’re 40 or younger.. egfr of 55 is bad bro I don’t care if people say it’s not that bad because 60 is the minimum range and you’re not far off even 60ish is bad unless you’re 65 years old . From what my doctors always told me really start to worry even more when not just one value is off but the others are off as well.
Your Bun is 33 and that’s a clear indicator that your kidneys are not working properly. ESPECIALLY if you’ve had several readings like this in a row.

go see someone bro and I would seriously list out what’s my lifestyle and what could potentially taxe my liver and I would take all I could out of my diet / lifestyle.

 

[Mathb33]

So this Dr is not my main one but he takes my insurance so I go and get my refills from him (the only reason I’m seeing him is because I have medication that needs to be refilled frequently), I also do bloods with him (because of insurance) and take it to my main one, my main one doesn’t take my insurance anymore so I only see him 1-2x a yr.

The problem is that this Dr reads my bloods and trying to lecture me about what to do, for an example, my Test levels came back at 949 and to him that was high so his solution was to take 1 shot every 2 weeks instead of weekly… yeah, that’s what I’m dealing with…

First things that I would recommend someone with bad kidneys is :

-make sure you drink enough water.
-no more processed food or limited.
-do you take meds? If so evaluate if you really need it and how taxing they are on your kidneys

-some people don’t process testosterone or injectable very well and It could be a reason it taxes your kidneys. Your doctor is right. Total test at 950 is very nice for us. Is it necessarily and ideal health wise? No.

-limit sugar, ideally none.

- I would make sure to be between a healthy body fat range. Maximum 15% bf.

-no alcohol or very limited. Smoking isn’t good either.

 

[Mathb33]

One thing though ! If your levels remained the same for years at least that’s a good indicator that they’re not getting worse, at least for now!

i would take all my bloodworks and compare to see a tendency and how fast it’s moving down or if it’s not moving at all!

 

[Rocket3015]

Both @MrKleen73 and I are in the stages of Kidney Failure, but we are still kick'in. SNS Kidney Support should be a daily regiment for you!

 

[jmero2]

Why not just get a cystatin c test, that will answer all your questions.

 

[pracata]

BUN: 33
Creatinine: 1.58
EGFR: 55
AST: 52
ALT: 98

ALT is high, I’m not sure why.

I had a eGFR of 57, took astragalus for about 15 days and drank more water then usual and my eGFR went up to 68 went again for blood work about 3 months later but this time I took 2 days off from gym and took astragalus for about 3 weeks before my blood and my eGFR went up to 74 with a bun of 10

I started taking astragalus again about 2 weeks ago and about to get blood work in 2 weeks. Hopefully I will have a eGFR of 80+

from a eGFR of 57 to 74

 

[BBiceps]

First things that I would recommend someone with bad kidneys is :

-make sure you drink enough water.
-no more processed food or limited.
-do you take meds? If so evaluate if you really need it and how taxing they are on your kidneys

-some people don’t process testosterone or injectable very well and It could be a reason it taxes your kidneys. Your doctor is right. Total test at 950 is very nice for us. Is it necessarily and ideal health wise? No.

-limit sugar, ideally none.

- I would make sure to be between a healthy body fat range. Maximum 15% bf.

-no alcohol or very limited. Smoking isn’t good either.

Funny part here is I’m negative on all, I keep my pee clear and drink pretty much only water, no meds, keep sugar intake low (unless it’s a cheat meal which is kept to 1x week), drink no alcohol (few times a yr), never smoked and keep fairly lean year around (10-14%).

Sure, but if my Dr wants my total test lower why not lower my dose instead of doing less injections?

Well, I do take Adderall, can that be the what screws with my kidney values?

 

[BBiceps]

I had a eGFR of 57, took astragalus for about 15 days and drank more water then usual and my eGFR went up to 68 went again for blood work about 3 months later but this time I took 2 days off from gym and took astragalus for about 3 weeks before my blood and my eGFR went up to 74 with a bun of 10

I started taking astragalus again about 2 weeks ago and about to get blood work in 2 weeks. Hopefully I will have a eGFR of 80+

from a eGFR of 57 to 74

I just got some, hopefully it works as well for me, thanks!

 

[BBiceps]

Why not just get a cystatin c test, that will answer all your questions.

What is that?

 

[NoAddedHmones]

AST / alt not ideal but not a worry. Such levels could indeed easily end up there cause of training.

I’ll be real honest bro not to be a dick but because I want you to take this serious… I’m assuming you’re 40 or younger.. egfr of 55 is bad bro I don’t care if people say it’s not that bad because 60 is the minimum range and you’re not far off even 60ish is bad unless you’re 65 years old . From what my doctors always told me really start to worry even more when not just one value is off but the others are off as well.
Your Bun is 33 and that’s a clear indicator that your kidneys are not working properly. ESPECIALLY if you’ve had several readings like this in a row.

go see someone bro and I would seriously list out what’s my lifestyle and what could potentially taxe my liver and I would take all I could out of my diet / lifestyle.

egfr is calculated from creatinine levels, someone with a lot of muscle mass will naturally release more creatinine into the blood

Are you guys taking anything for the kidneys?

The last 10yrs or so my kidney values have came back slightly high, according to Dr’s I’m about to both have liver and kidney failureexcept those times I’ve taken 3-4 days off from the gym so my question is, how accurate is the testing?

Example, last yr I did bloods right after heavy deadlifts and my values came back high, my Dr freaked out (actually both liver and kidneys was high), I told I’m fine but he scheduled me for another blood test. I took 4-5 days off the gym and retested the next week and both liver and kidneys came back in range.

I know I push my body to the limit most of the time but how worried should I be when I know if I’m fully rested I’m good?

Idk, I should probably switch Dr, the one I have now is obese and stupid but he gives me the refills I want, I know I should do the effort and find another Dr that can both give me the refills and being a good Dr.

Do you typically do your bloods first thing in the morning?

Do you have 3-4 glasses of water prior to doing the test or nothing but from the previous day?

egfr is calculated from your creatinine level, where serum levels correlate very strongly with the level of lean muscle mass you have.

Again this is an estimated level, based on one variable.

Cystatin-C levels is another test that estimates egfr and it isn’t influenced by lean mass so may be a more relevant test to do for someone who is proper jacked.

BUN can also be heavily influenced by hydration.

Just something to think about for everyone in here.

 

[Mathb33]

egfr is calculated from creatinine levels, someone with a lot of muscle mass will naturally release more creatinine into the blood


Do you typically do your bloods first thing in the morning?

Do you have 3-4 glasses of water prior to doing the test or nothing but from the previous day?

egfr is calculated from your creatinine level, where serum levels correlate very strongly with the level of lean muscle mass you have.

Again this is an estimated level, based on one variable.

Cystatin-C levels is another test that estimates egfr and it isn’t influenced by lean mass so may be a more relevant test to do for someone who is proper jacked.

BUN can also be heavily influenced by hydration.

Just something to think about for everyone in here.

nobody is jacked enough here for it to be a reason for low kidney levels, not you, not me or not him. Unless you’re an open division type guy it’s just not the case.

Yes egfr is calculated with creatinine race and age I didn’t say anything about creatinine.
I mentionned having egfr low as well as bun high would worry me and I would try to fix it. It’s not that complicated, having a bad reading like this and seeing it fixed the next bloodwork, no problem at all who cares. Having these readings for years is showing possible stress on the organ and long term nobody wants that.

also, i don’t know if you’ve read the whole thing and saw that he mentioned having low/high levels for TEN years but ain’t no way that "being dehydrated" or having done his bloodwork not in the morning have anything to do with 10 years of bad results.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

nobody is jacked enough here for it to be a reason for low kidney levels, not you, not me or not him. Unless you’re an open division type guy it’s just not the case.

Yes egfr is calculated with creatinine race and age I didn’t say anything about creatinine.
I mentionned having egfr low as well as bun high would worry me and I would try to fix it. It’s not that complicated, having a bad reading like this and seeing it fixed the next bloodwork, no problem at all who cares. Having these readings for years is showing possible stress on the organ and long term nobody wants that.

also, i don’t know if you’ve read the whole thing and saw that he mentioned having low/high levels for TEN years but ain’t no way that "being dehydrated" or having done his bloodwork not in the morning have anything to do with 10 years of bad results.

1.5s isn’t a crazy level for someone with substantial muscle mass, especially if you are training hard.

Creatinine is literally the major variable on a standard blood test for egfr, so it is higher it will automatically mean the egfr reading is lower.

Sure it can mean that kidney function is compromised (particularly in a standard population), but it certainly doesn’t mean that they aren’t completely fine.

As i said in my initial post, it would require further more relevant testing like a Cystain-C test. A doc would then also test factors such as proteinuria etc

 

[BBiceps]

egfr is calculated from creatinine levels, someone with a lot of muscle mass will naturally release more creatinine into the blood


Do you typically do your bloods first thing in the morning?

Do you have 3-4 glasses of water prior to doing the test or nothing but from the previous day?

egfr is calculated from your creatinine level, where serum levels correlate very strongly with the level of lean muscle mass you have.

Again this is an estimated level, based on one variable.

Cystatin-C levels is another test that estimates egfr and it isn’t influenced by lean mass so may be a more relevant test to do for someone who is proper jacked.

BUN can also be heavily influenced by hydration.

Just something to think about for everyone in here.

Thanks, this is actually what my other Dr’s have said and that’s why they haven’t really been worried. I’m 6’1 235lb and fairly lean so I have a decent amount of muscle mass.

I do my bloods in the morning and since I sweat a good bit during the night dehydration can definitely be a part of it.

 

[BBiceps]

1.5s isn’t a crazy level for someone with substantial muscle mass, especially if you are training hard.

Creatinine is literally the major variable on a standard blood test for egfr, so it is higher it will automatically mean the egfr reading is lower.

Sure it can mean that kidney function is compromised (particularly in a standard population), but it certainly doesn’t mean that they aren’t completely fine.

As i said in my initial post, it would require further more relevant testing like a Cystain-C test. A doc would then also test factors such as proteinuria etc

I’m your opinion do you think I should do the Cystain-C test?

 

[NoAddedHmones]

I’m your opinion do you think I should do the Cystain-C test?

Next blood test, try drinking 3-4 glasses of water between waking up and doing the test. You should always aim to be fully hydrated.

Given you have been doing bloods for years, you should have good data to see trends in things, if these figures are moving in a constant negative gradient, it probably warrants further testing. But again, if you are gaining more lean muscle mass each year, it wouldn’t be unusual to see a corresponding movement in creatinine increasing.

If i was in your position, I would do a Cystatin-C test for peace of mind.

 

[BBiceps]

Next blood test, try drinking 3-4 glasses of water between waking up and doing the test. You should always aim to be fully hydrated.

Given you have been doing bloods for years, you should have good data to see trends in things, if these figures are moving in a constant negative gradient, it probably warrants further testing. But again, if you are gaining more lean muscle mass each year, it wouldn’t be unusual to see a corresponding movement in creatinine increasing.

If i was in your position, I would do a Cystatin-C test for peace of mind.

Thanks, I will ask for one.

 

[sns8778]

Thanks guys, I will have another Dr take a look at my values, it might be a concern but after being on a verge to have liver/kidney failure for the last yrs you would think I would of had it by now…

That's honestly one of the big problems with both liver and kidney issues - is that without bloodwork, most people never know how bad they are because they don't necessarily feel anything is wrong with them. And like was mentioned above, levels can stay elevated for years and on the verge of failure without going over into failure levels.

If it were me, I would do the full 12 capsule dose on Kidney Assist XT for at least 3 months and then if levels are much improved, you could possibly drop back to the 6 capsule daily dose on it. The reason you have to take so many capsules is because the dosage on some of the active ingredients has to be so high for them to be effective - like Astragalus - 4000 mg., Grape Seed Extract - 1,000 mg., Milk Thistle - 1,000 mg. - that's 8 caps alone for those before the other ingredients in it.

If my levels hadn't improved after that, I would ask my doctor to refer me to a specialist to try to get more answers.

I hope that everything works out well for you.

Oh - you mentioned Adderrall, it isn't common that it would cause kidney or liver issues, especially at normal dosages. It is possible, but that would be one of the more rare side effects of it. But it can contribute to dehydration.

 

[Rocket3015]

The jugs of SNS Kidney Assist XT are huge !!

 

[sns8778]

The jugs of SNS Kidney Assist XT are huge !!

We offer it in both a 180 capsules and 360 capsule size.

The reason for that is that it can be a month supply either way, depending on how the person takes it and because some general health customers may not want a very large bottle, whereas others love the idea of a bulk supply to save some money.

The intensive dose, which is the dose that would be used by most bodybuilders that have a history of AAS use or are using AAS, is 12 capsules per day, whereas the general health dose is 6 caps per day.

People always ask (sometimes complain) about the number of capsules per day, but its really just math - with Kidney Assist XT, our goal was to provide the absolute best kidney support formula on the market and its loaded with active ingredients. All total, there are 7,860 mg. of active ingredients. The max average volume that can be fit in a size 00 capsule is 750 mg. so that formula would require a minimum of 11 capsules, so it makes more sense to make it 12 rather than 11 because that makes it easier to dose it evenly.

 

[Hyde]

The number of pages it took for a couple people to finally suggest a cystatin c test; geez that was painful to read through.

How about asking for a referral to a nephrologist who is competent in analyzing your results and administering relevant testing???

Creatinine WILL increase with added lbm, and it will be noticeable far lower than open bodybuilder levels of muscle. Testing within a couple days of hard training this value will be even higher from the acute muscle damage. And the levels being high most of the time from normal hard training are not problematic - these levels are just used as early diagnostic for gen pop who never experience this kind of routine trauma or have the extra muscle mass. Someone training twice a day for 20 years is not gen pop.

 

[SweetLou321]

BUN: 33
Creatinine: 1.58
EGFR: 55
AST: 52
ALT: 98

ALT is high, I’m not sure why.

AST is more likely to be elevated by muscle breakdown, ALT is much less common as it is predominately found in the liver and pretty small amounts are found in the muscle and kidney. With a high ALT I would error on the side of caution much more so as it is more specific with regard to liver stress. ALT is higher then AST in most chronic liver diseases. Maybe do a GGT as follow-up as it is even more liver specific.

For kidney monitoring, I would follow-up with a cystatin-C test. It is much more kidney specific and very unlikely to be high due to muscle breakdown. If it is high, I would be more concerned.

 

[BBiceps]

AST is more likely to be elevated by muscle breakdown, ALT is much less common as it is predominately found in the liver and pretty small amounts are found in the muscle and kidney. With a high ALT I would error on the side of caution much more so as it is more specific with regard to liver stress. ALT is higher then AST in most chronic liver diseases. Maybe do a GGT as follow-up as it is even more liver specific.

For kidney monitoring, I would follow-up with a cystatin-C test. It is much more kidney specific and very unlikely to be high due to muscle breakdown. If it is high, I would be more concerned.

Thanks