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[MK9]

Because the chickens are "happy," they will produce meat that is healthier for humans to consume? Real scientific.

And wtf is a "happy" chicken? If I cut the head off a chicken and continue to feed it and keep it alive in the free range environment you describe, it is happy? Do chickens feel happiness at all? Is it even remotely relevant?

Listen, I was being deliberately civil with you,watch the documentary, all the evidence is there.
You have a choice, learn and educate yourself (both requiring discipline and will power, i know its tough) or become part of the living dead. You are what you eat..
MK9

 

[Dizmal]

LOL at your link, educate myself by reading snopes.com, a random 3rd party website?

what are u trying to say? that they use healthy organically fed chickens? there is nothing "real" about the chicken bro. ask them for a list of ingredients that goes into this "chicken". i cant believe you seriously found this bogus website to refute these false rumors that tarnish the good reputation of KFC.

Snopes isn't bogus, the fake chickens are.

Not trying to be argumentative. But if Snopes says it's BS. It is.


Besides, when I worked there they were cutting up whole chickens at the store location. Not some genetic freaks lol

 

[wontstop985]

Listen, I was being deliberately civil with you,watch the documentary, all the evidence is there.
You have a choice, learn and educate yourself (both requiring discipline and will power, i know its tough) or become part of the living dead. You are what you eat..
MK9

You sure are one scientific guy.

"Bro, I saw it in a documentary produced by some guy that was trying to make a buck, so it must be true! What other evidence do you need? The film producers and directors are totally experts on health. Get educated by watching movies bro. Plus, some other retard on the internet says it's true so it must be, duh."

I wish I was as educated and scholarly as you.

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

Well if a chicken is fed good clean foods and not loaded with hormones and antibiotics, you the consumer reap the benefits of eating good healthy clean meat vs hormone\antibiotic treated chickens that are raised in an unhealthy chicken house.
All windows are closed in those places, no sunlight, and they are over crowded, and its just nasty.

I have recently been eating grass fed beef, and strictly grass fed, not grass fed, and then finished off with some grain..no no..
I dont get that toxic sleepy feeling that I would get from a restaurant cooked steak, and actually have energy and feel good.
I know its not chicken, but I am comparing the quality of grass fed\free range vs. factory produced.

Happy chickens are healthy chickens
MK9

and where do you get this meat from?

 

[MK9]

You sure are one scientific guy.

"Bro, I saw it in a documentary produced by some guy that was trying to make a buck, so it must be true! What other evidence do you need? The film producers and directors are totally experts on health. Get educated by watching movies bro. Plus, some other retard on the internet says it's true so it must be, duh."

I wish I was as educated and scholarly as you.

*sigh* You have fingers, and what appears to be a functioning cerebral cortex, maybe, just maybe a good start, would be...wait, hold on... Search for farming industry, meat rendering in a search engine of your choice?
Im just saying, I know its easier to talk a lot of smack and not do any real work :yawn:

MK9

 

[Dizmal]

Listen, I was being deliberately civil with you,watch the documentary, all the evidence is there.
You have a choice, learn and educate yourself (both requiring discipline and will power, i know its tough) or become part of the living dead. You are what you eat..
MK9

Stressed chickens are just like any other animal. They won't grow muscle(meat) if stressed out and unhappy. It takes more than steroids to make them grow. Same for cows. Unhappy and stressed chickens are bad for business.


I don't know where you guys live but there are TONS of golden plump chicken and turkey farms here in MN. All of them in the country and none of them are dark, pitch black vaults.


There was a show on this just recently on the History channel - called food tech. Happy animals are meaty animals. (Not saying this is always the case)


But I think some of you guys are making the exception(one horrendous chicken farm) the rule.

 

[MK9]

and where do you get this meat from?

I go to the butcher shop, small ones preferably, and also I have a list of local farmers that cater to various markets.
This is for where I live, I did a search for farms in my area. I am going to assume that the same resources will exist hopefully in your neck of the woods as well.
Not related to chickens at all... I placed an order for 5LBS of ground beef, the only stipulation was that I wanted 5 LBS of grass fed sirloin steak to be ground up for me.
I was making some pasta sauce using the meat, so I started cooking it, and there was little, like very little water from the meat, super lean and delicious!

Anyways getting hungry thinking about that, but if you live in the city there is a good chance that you will find a butcher shop that will carry grass fed beef, and free range hormone\antibiotic free chicken meat.
Its a mission but well worth it.
MK9

 

[MK9]

Stressed chickens are just like any other animal. They won't grow muscle(meat) if stressed out and unhappy. It takes more than steroids to make them grow. Same for cows. Unhappy and stressed chickens are bad for business.


I don't know where you guys live but there are TONS of golden plump chicken and turkey farms here in MN. All of them in the country and none of them are dark, pitch black vaults.


There was a show on this just recently on the History channel - called food tech. Happy animals are meaty animals. (Not saying this is always the case)


But I think some of you guys are making the exception(one horrendous chicken farm) the rule.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that plump chickens are not healthy, but its the quality of the meat itself.
Any hormone and\or antibiotic products are passed to the chicken, and they do build a resistance to the antibiotics, and this is passed to the meat which people eat, and this is the crux of the issue. The treatment of animals to turn a fast buck results in corners being cut, quality going out the window.
The thing is that its not 1 chicken farm, but any and all chicken farms that the major players contract out to.

The moral of the story is-> Support your local farmer, buy locally,stimulate the economy and teach others, and enjoy a healthy meal.
Its actually fun going on a hunt for good food.
MK9

 

[wontstop985]

*sigh* You have fingers, and what appears to be a functioning cerebral cortex, maybe, just maybe a good start, would be...wait, hold on... Search for farming industry, meat rendering in a search engine of your choice?
Im just saying, I know its easier to talk a lot of smack and not do any real work :yawn:

MK9

What wrong with rendering?

You are the one "talking smack and not doing any real work."

It seems that you have no scientific or even logical basis for the statements you are making, and I am simply questioning you.

You do realize most documentaries and nonfiction books are produced/directed/written in a way that conveys the author's viewpoint?

Do you thinking that doing biased research makes you better informed than somebody that has done no research, or worse?

 

[MK9]

What wrong with rendering?

You are the one "talking smack and not doing any real work."

It seems that you have no scientific or even logical basis for the statements you are making, and I am simply questioning you.

You do realize most documentaries and nonfiction books are produced/directed/written in a way that conveys the author's viewpoint?

Do you thinking that doing biased research makes you better informed than somebody that has done no research, or worse?

Everyone has a point to prove. Prove all things and take that which is good is what works, in real time and in real life.
Yes I have plenty of logical basis for the statements I am making, its called "How can I improve the quality of my life with the food choices I am making". You don't need a degree to figure out that mass produced anything leads to a breakdown in quality.
Heres a scientific reason, are you aware that chickens are fed cow parts and cows are fed chicken parts? Want to know why?
Cows were fed cow parts which was\is put into their "grain" and thats how you end up with mad cow disease, you dont have to be Newton to figure that out, just watch the news.
So to save money chickens are fed meal containing animal parts that are not from chickens, and cows are fed non-bovine parts, they figure doing it this way will reduce mad cow.

Thats more than enough scientific,logical, and reasonable cause to justify making an informed decision to take my money elsewhere.
Check it out for yourself.
MK9

 

[wontstop985]

You don't need a degree to figure out that mass produced anything leads to a breakdown in quality.

Does mass producing chickens change the way that chicken DNA expresses itself?

Heres a scientific reason, are you aware that chickens are fed cow parts and cows are fed chicken parts? Want to know why?
Cows were fed cow parts which was\is put into their "grain" and thats how you end up with mad cow disease, you dont have to be Newton to figure that out, just watch the news.
So to save money chickens are fed meal containing animal parts that are not from chickens, and cows are fed non-bovine parts, they figure doing it this way will reduce mad cow.

If you're friend was lactose intolerant and became sick whenever he drank milk, then you wouldn't serve him milk, would you? Does this mean that you should not drink milk either?

 

[MK9]

Does mass producing chickens change the way that chicken DNA expresses itself?



If you're friend was lactose intolerant and became sick whenever he drank milk, then you wouldn't serve him milk, would you? Does this mean that you should not drink milk either?

The hits just keep coming LOL! I dont drink milk

I was planning on going the raw milk route, but its such a pain, you gotta buy into part of the cow which covers costs of feeding, and keeping the cow healthy, and she roams pesticide free land, but it was like buying gold, I may still try it out.
I drink brown rice milk, and make my own fermented Kefir yogurt using whole goat milk (safe for those that are lactose intolerant), and the fermentation process loads up the milk with nutrients and LOTS of enzymes that are good for your gut
MK9

 

[wontstop985]

The question is not whether milk is healthy, though.

The question is can one food be healthy for one person and harmful to another?

(Can pigs safely eat ground up cow parts even though cows can't?)

 

[JudoJosh]

wow what did I start here?

If these chicken blob story is true or not I dunno.. That is the first I heard of it and I consider myself well informed on food we eat, thats why I was interested to see the movie myself to see if it was real or not so I cant speak on that.. but to say that there are no extra benefits from eating free- range, organic, natural food is crazy. There are studies done that prove this over and over. For example look at red meat. Red meat no longer contains a good amount of CLA in it because the cows are grown so fast and stuffed with grain that it is minimal the amount of CLA a steak can have versus a free range cow that grows properly... his meat will have an abundance of CLA in it and will have less calories overall lb per lb. I can start posting studies that back this fact if you want, I actually just read an article on this a couple days ago.

Here is a FACT on fast food. For many years mcdonalds sold chicken nuggets and then the USDA stepped in and said they can no longer call them chicken nuggets because they did not contain enough chicken in them.. thats why they have this new slogan "Now with all white meat" when in reality they are saying now with chicken. And even now do you know what is in a chicken nugget? In a book, Omnivore's Dilemma, a guy was wondering about the ingredients in a chicken nugget so he asked mcdonalds and they gave him a handout which was very vauge so he sent a pack of mcdonalds nuggets to a lab to get tested for its content. Here is the excerpt from the book

"The ingredients listed in the flyer suggest a lot of thought goes into a nugget, that and a lot of corn. Of the thirty-eight ingredients it takes to make a McNugget, I counted thirteen that can be derived from corn: the corn-fed chicken itself; modified cornstarch (to bind the pulverized chicken meat); mono-, tri-, and diglycerides (emulsifiers, which keep the fats and water from separating); dextrose; lecithin (another emulsifier); chicken broth (to restore some of the flavor that processing leeches out); yellow corn flour and more modified cornstarch (for the batter); cornstarch (a filler); vegetable shortening; partially hydrogenated corn oil; and citric acid as a preservative. A couple of other plants take part in the nugget: There's some wheat in the batter, and on any given day the hydrogenated oil could come from soybeans, canola, or cotton rather than corn, depending on the market price and availability.

According to the handout, McNuggets also contain several completely synthetic ingredients, quasiedible substances that ultimately come not from a corn or soybean field but form a petroleum refinery or chemical plant. These chemicals are what make modern processed food possible, by keeping the organic materials in them from going bad or looking strange after months in the freezer or on the road. Listed first are the "leavening agents": sodium aluminum phosphate, mono-calcium phosphate, sodium acid pyrophosphate, and calcium lactate. These are antioxidants added to keep the various animal and vegetable fats involved in a nugget from turning rancid. Then there are "anti-foaming agents" like dimethylpolysiloxene, added to the cooking oil to keep the starches from binding to air molecules, so as to produce foam during the fry. The problem is evidently grave enough to warrant adding a toxic chemical to the food: According to the Handbook of Food Additives, dimethylpolysiloxene is a suspected carcinogen and an established mutagen, tumorigen, and reproductive effector; it's also flammable.

But perhaps the most alarming ingredient in a Chicken McNugget is tertiary butylhydroquinone, or TBHQ, an antioxidant derived from petroleum that is either sprayed directly on the nugget or the inside of the box it comes in to "help preserve freshness." According to A Consumer's Dictionary of Food Additives, TBHQ is a form of butane (i.e. lighter fluid) the FDA allows processors to use sparingly in our food: It can comprise no more than 0.02 percent of the oil in a nugget. Which is probably just as well, considering that ingesting a single gram of TBHQ can cause "nausea, vomiting, ringing in the ears, delirium, a sense of suffocation, and collapse." Ingesting five grams of TBHQ can kill."

Food Inc is a great movie.. the book Omnivore's Dilemma is even better in my opinion. The book shows the corruption in even the new booming organic industry which I found suprising. For a farmer can raise cattle in a lot just like every other slaughter house and he will just put a big heavy steel door on it and since the cow has the oppurtunity to walk out they can call it free range according to USDA guidelines or can feed the cow organic corn and soy and sell it as organic. What happenes to our food is really pathetic and we allow it to happen. Buy local, know your farmers, make concious choices. If you refuse to listen or change thats your choice and I will not argue with you cuz I honestly dont care. I know I cant change the way food is made and I know hundreds of thousands of people cant change it.. Greedis powerfull and will prevail, companies will figure out ways to cut corners and make money no matter what.

And don't belittle the movie saying its not factual. When he interviews BPI (one of USA's biggest beef packaging companies) and the president of BPI says the meat has a e.coli problem and his solution to it is to wash the meat with ammonia how do you debate that? They themselves acknowledge they have a problem its not like its a random person they are interviewing

 

[JudoJosh]

Does mass producing chickens change the way that chicken DNA expresses itself?

Yes it does. Most of the big company owned chicken farms such as tyson or perdue all have to artifically inseamenate the chicken because they can no longer have sex with each other because there DNA was chaged so much that the chicken breast are too big and get in the way. Same goes for turkey. So yea it does change chicken itself. Same goes for cows. when they are fed grains (corn and soy which we have an abundance of due to farm bills) they devlop a sprecial strain of e.coli which is resistant to the acids of the stomach. Unlike grass fed cow in which they will devlop e.coli as well but the stomach will kill it off so it wont be in the meat. Also I already said how free-range beef has more CLA in it vs the grain fed beef. There are differences, its just a matter of how important they are to you. If your fine with the risk then enjoy.

 

[wontstop985]

wow what did I start here?

And don't belittle the movie saying its not factual. When he interviews BPI (one of USA's biggest beef packaging companies) and the president of BPI says the meat has a e.coli problem and his solution to it is to wash the meat with ammonia how do you debate that? They themselves acknowledge they have a problem its not like its a random person they are interviewing

Is washing meat with ammonia dangerous if done properly?

Can facts not be presented in a way that they convey a certain opinion? (Have you ever seen anything Michael Moore made?)

 

[wontstop985]

Yes it does. Most of the big company owned chicken farms such as tyson or perdue all have to artifically inseamenate the chicken because they can no longer have sex with each other because there DNA was chaged so much that the chicken breast are too big and get in the way. .

Intentional genetic modification to improve chickens is not the same as poor living conditions producing genetically inferior chickens.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

wow what did I start here?
There are studies done that prove this over and over.

The only issue I see, though, is that there are very few systematic, comparative studies examining positive health outcomes between "conventional" foods and "organic" and "natural" foods grown, harvested and/or cultivated in similar conditions. In reality, there are none, as far as I know.

What do exist are nutrient content comparisons, but these studies suffer from serious methodological problems that make it difficult to export any lasting data from them. The results are unfortunately inconsistent at best.

Those nutrient comparison studies that were systematic, and did compare "conventional" and "organic" foods grown ceteris parabus (aside from the type of pesticides and processing that differentiate "conventional" from "organic," of course) found almost exact nutrient outcomes in the foods grown.

The "undeniable" fact that organically and naturally grown foods have more positive health outcomes over conventionally grown foods is actually quite deniable. Now, this isn't to endorse the mass production of food, but just to keep things in perspective, rather.

 

[TimberLakers]

There's about 40,000 degrees of separation between organic chicken and featherless blobs.

I wouldn't eat that sh*t, but you're makin it sound like some Matrix conspiracy.

 

[urbanski]

LOL at your link, educate myself by reading snopes.com, a random 3rd party website?

what are u trying to say? that they use healthy organically fed chickens? there is nothing "real" about the chicken bro. ask them for a list of ingredients that goes into this "chicken". i cant believe you seriously found this bogus website to refute these false rumors that tarnish the good reputation of KFC.

snopes is a long-standing urban legend debunking site. i cant believe you've never heard of it, let alone dont trust it.
kinda casts doubt on your whole stance

 

[TimberLakers]

Ignorance breeds ignorance. Let him stew in his world of headless chickens and non American presidents.

 

[WarMachine000]

I've seen Michael Moore films- they're almost as bogus as Zeitgeist. He edits things, not to expose a conspiracy, but to get gullible people (who believe something because they think they've seen it) to mindlessly buy into his garbage.
Comparing cow and chicken to person to person is just too ridiculous to even go into.
One method used by chicken farmers in order to save money is to feed chickens their food mixed with their own (largely undigested) fecal matter- hence salmonella. You could compare that to a person eating another person's "leftovers" but the cow and chicken comparison... I don't see it.

 

[Ricky5145]

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yummy

 

[Ricky5145]

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and then there was the grinder.

 

[WarMachine000]

Finally - something that DOESN'T taste like chicken

 

[votum]

The only issue I see, though, is that there are very few systematic, comparative studies examining positive health outcomes between "conventional" foods and "organic" and "natural" foods grown, harvested and/or cultivated in similar conditions. In reality, there are none, as far as I know.

What do exist are nutrient content comparisons, but these studies suffer from serious methodological problems that make it difficult to export any lasting data from them. The results are unfortunately inconsistent at best.

Those nutrient comparison studies that were systematic, and did compare "conventional" and "organic" foods grown ceteris parabus (aside from the type of pesticides and processing that differentiate "conventional" from "organic," of course) found almost exact nutrient outcomes in the foods grown.

The "undeniable" fact that organically and naturally grown foods have more positive health outcomes over conventionally grown foods is actually quite deniable. Now, this isn't to endorse the mass production of food, but just to keep things in perspective, rather.

This ^^^ Organic food, while sounding great in theory, is just more expensive in reality. And if you guys pay close attention when you watch those animal rights videos, you will notice that a lot of the video is very old, as in old before animal rights existed, because most of that crap doesn't happen anymore. FDA is tough on that crap, that's why there are 0 horse slaughterhouses in America now, they really don't stand for widespread animal cruelty, you are naive and a hippy if you think they do. And honestly, who cares? Animals don't have rights, they are food and pets. Show me one contribution an animal has made to modern society and I will change my stance. And before you go trying to say <insert something we got from an animal here> it doesn't count unless an animal developed/tested/implemented it on it's own. Did you know PETA euthanizes thousands of animals in its facilities every year? Probably not, they don't tell you that in their shows because it would be counter-productive for them. If you want to spend abhorrent amounts of cash on grass fed free range beef then go for it MK9, I will take the 93/7 lean ground beef from wal-mart for $2 a pound.

And so you know when you flame me, I live near and have worked in several large dairy farms in WA state. While they don't treat the cows ideally, they don't abuse them, and the milk tastes exactly the same as organic milk, and costs half as much.

Lastly, documentaries are bad sources of information, because 90% of documentaries on controversial topics lack any empirical data whatsoever, and are really just ploys to make money.

Being a sheep and blindly following what sounds good and true is what brought America into it's current predicament =x

 

[MK9]

This ^^^ Organic food, while sounding great in theory, is just more expensive in reality. And if you guys pay close attention when you watch those animal rights videos, you will notice that a lot of the video is very old, as in old before animal rights existed, because most of that crap doesn't happen anymore. FDA is tough on that crap, that's why there are 0 horse slaughterhouses in America now, they really don't stand for widespread animal cruelty, you are naive and a hippy if you think they do. And honestly, who cares? Animals don't have rights, they are food and pets. Show me one contribution an animal has made to modern society and I will change my stance. And before you go trying to say <insert something we got from an animal here> it doesn't count unless an animal developed/tested/implemented it on it's own. Did you know PETA euthanizes thousands of animals in its facilities every year? Probably not, they don't tell you that in their shows because it would be counter-productive for them. If you want to spend abhorrent amounts of cash on grass fed free range beef then go for it MK9, I will take the 93/7 lean ground beef from wal-mart for $2 a pound.

And so you know when you flame me, I live near and have worked in several large dairy farms in WA state. While they don't treat the cows ideally, they don't abuse them, and the milk tastes exactly the same as organic milk, and costs half as much.

Lastly, documentaries are bad sources of information, because 90% of documentaries on controversial topics lack any empirical data whatsoever, and are really just ploys to make money.

Being a sheep and blindly following what sounds good and true is what brought America into it's current predicament =x

Buy whatever, I think you have me pegged for the wrong dude, not a hippie, cant stand new agers, hate patchouli, think dreads are wack, and prefer to vote with my dollars, and am not a fan of PETA.
PETA has also been responsible for a large amount of euthanizing pitbulls, as its their lawyers who are the ones involved in the prosecution, or rather persecution..

I appreciate the passion you showed, BUT again, you apparently made me out to be a hippe, which is funny, its humorous, anyways yeah, no you go tot eht wrong guy.

I wont defend factory produced foods, and am aware that "organic" is just a label you see, which comes at a co$t, and looks good.
I will however support my local farmer, the local economy, and eat healthier food, thats my stance. I know where my food is coming from, and I know that my tomato is an actual tomato, not a gen spliced thing that looks like one. No one is asking, or telling you that you had better change or else you..you wont be cool or whatever.
Its interesting to see the feathers ruffled, and the motivation for this could be whatever, hopefully not financially i.e. i cant afford local vegetables and meat.
In fact I can walk out with 3 bags of vegetables for under $30, and thats throwing in a pound of honey locally harvested for $10.00.
While at Superstore the produce looks beat up, and is quite expensive, so I hit up the farmers market.
Pretty easy, its good to not follow the crowd and its amazing to do your own thing
MK9

 

[CleetusVanDam]

Taste good + has protein = I eat it.

 

[Naberious]

Taste good + has protein = I eat it.

That's the damn truth!

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I wont defend factory produced foods, and am aware that "organic" is just a label you see, which comes at a co$t, and looks good.
I will however support my local farmer, the local economy, and eat healthier food, thats my stance. I know where my food is coming from, and I know that my tomato is an actual tomato, not a gen spliced thing that looks like one. No one is asking, or telling you that you had better change or else you..you wont be cool or whatever.
Its interesting to see the feathers ruffled, and the motivation for this could be whatever, hopefully not financially i.e. i cant afford local vegetables and meat.
In fact I can walk out with 3 bags of vegetables for under $30, and thats throwing in a pound of honey locally harvested for $10.00.
While at Superstore the produce looks beat up, and is quite expensive, so I hit up the farmers market.
Pretty easy, its good to not follow the crowd and its amazing to do your own thing
MK9

Your thick pretense aside, I think he was merely pointing out that, as I said above, "organic," "local," "natural," and "super-amazing," foods, or whatever you choose to call them, have never really been verified to be more or less healthy than conventionally-grown foods either way. That is the point.

If "doing your own things" makes you feel warm inside, than I support you in that endeavor! I will also, however, point out that there is scarce little evidence that verifies your fuzzy feeling as little more than a vague sense of moral superiority because you, "Support local, man. :usa2:"

The last part was ribbing you a bit, but in reality, it is just a moral pat on the back rather than anything verifiable to be "healthy(ier) food".

 

[Bionic]

Invalid Link Removed. Pretty much backs up Mullet's points. I posted this on another site and you should have seen the uproar it caused. LMFAO! I was called an "elitist" a "republican puppet" and just about every other epithet that you can find on any of Alex Jones' websites. HAHAHAHA! Some people just fall for any old thing.

 

[buuzer0]

Hahaha, all the discussion in this thread and no one has mentioned whether they tried one!

I had one today, just for the novelty of it and it was tasty. I wouldn't eat one every day, but I had to try it because I'm a sucker for ridiculous food items. Two colonel's original recipe chicken breasts serving as the bread around 2 strips of bacon, cheese, and special sauce? SIGN ME UP! My only problem with it was it's too expensive ($7 for the combo, got mine with green beans) and really not that filling. It was worth it just to try it though, just for the absurdity of it.

 

[Dizmal]

Comparing cow and chicken to person to person is just too ridiculous to even go into.
One method used by chicken farmers in order to save money is to feed chickens their food mixed with their own (largely undigested) fecal matter- hence salmonella. You could compare that to a person eating another person's "leftovers" but the cow and chicken comparison... I don't see it.

What cow/chicken comparison are you talking about?


All that was said is stressed animals do not put on weight like unstressed animals. Cows and Chickens are not exceptions to this rule.

 

[Bionic]

What cow/chicken comparison are you talking about?


All that was said is stressed animals do not put on weight like unstressed animals. Cows and Chickens are not exceptions to this rule.

This stressed out animal puts on all sorts of weight. LOL :silly::sad6:

 

[votum]

Buy whatever, I think you have me pegged for the wrong dude, not a hippie, cant stand new agers, hate patchouli, think dreads are wack, and prefer to vote with my dollars, and am not a fan of PETA.
PETA has also been responsible for a large amount of euthanizing pitbulls, as its their lawyers who are the ones involved in the prosecution, or rather persecution..

I appreciate the passion you showed, BUT again, you apparently made me out to be a hippe, which is funny, its humorous, anyways yeah, no you go tot eht wrong guy.

I wont defend factory produced foods, and am aware that "organic" is just a label you see, which comes at a co$t, and looks good.
I will however support my local farmer, the local economy, and eat healthier food, thats my stance. I know where my food is coming from, and I know that my tomato is an actual tomato, not a gen spliced thing that looks like one. No one is asking, or telling you that you had better change or else you..you wont be cool or whatever.
Its interesting to see the feathers ruffled, and the motivation for this could be whatever, hopefully not financially i.e. i cant afford local vegetables and meat.
In fact I can walk out with 3 bags of vegetables for under $30, and thats throwing in a pound of honey locally harvested for $10.00.
While at Superstore the produce looks beat up, and is quite expensive, so I hit up the farmers market.
Pretty easy, its good to not follow the crowd and its amazing to do your own thing
MK9

Well then I respect that. I am extremely passionate about my beliefs, and when people fall for the tactics in liberal documentaries it makes me angry. Votum Smash angry.

 

[Ricky5145]

I personally dont give two ****s where food comes from. i only live once and if it tastes good, then send it my way. but i dont care if people eat differently, I am not them and they are not me so why fret? eat what you want

 

[PublicEnemy]

The "undeniable" fact that organically and naturally grown foods have more positive health outcomes over conventionally grown foods is actually quite deniable. Now, this isn't to endorse the mass production of food, but just to keep things in perspective, rather.

I gotta tell ya, I started to get bromantic feelings after reading this. Its nice to see someone else acknowledge the ambiguity behind the "organic" and "natural" labels instead of trying to jump down your throat because "organic" and "natural" are just "supposed to be better for you."

Intentional genetic modification to improve chickens is not the same as poor living conditions producing genetically inferior chickens.

This. To the best of my knowledge, the FDA has not approved transgenic animals for human consumption. Genetically inferior is definitely viable though.

 

[nyoung807]

i just ate like 6 chicken tenderloins and now i want to throw up.

 

[BlutUndKraft]

If you remember the name of the movie shoot me a pm or post it here, I would love to watch it. I don't think any other movie was mentioned in food inc. I did read omnivore dilemma, great book! Read it if you haven't

I saw that movie, and it made me think there was no god.

 

[sgabs007]

So just got back from having one, uhhhh yumm. Kinda pissed though, can't find the movie. Bummer!!!!

 

[jumpshot903]

I dont know what to really think about the discussion going on here theres a lot of conflicting ideas i mean from one side you get the documentaries that as people have mentioned are older and things have changed but they only show one side as mentioned they take the worst of the worst and focus on that even if its not significant to the whole. When it comes down to the way they treat the chicken theres going to be discussion for a while as to is it humane? Is it safe? Is it safe to eat? we'll never know for sure really, But one thing i'll mention is when it comes to large groups of people/animals its harder to care for each with the the care that we want its shown in larger cities and other countries its just not possible to care for everyone the way they should be its a fact of life. When theres such a demand for this food ergo chickens, talking hundreds of millions of chickens a year realistically is it possible to care for each chicken they way some organic, hippies or animal rights activist like? Hell to the no but that doesnt mean there mutated alien blobs but it could mean there not as well cared for as some would like. But so be it so are hundreds of thousands of people in third world countries right now i doubt very much they would complain if there chicken was a little mistreated in the process as long as its food.

As far as organic foods im not to into paying more for seemingly better quality food when theres no real evidence to prove this. I'll stick to paying less and excersicing daily and while still picking the right food choices not stressing hundreds of hours about it. In the end you may live a year or so longer if that but whose to ever know if that was because of organic food or just luck of the draw.

In the end its just a sandwhich choose to eat it or not its the not the biggest descion you'll make in your life if it is may the lord be with you.

 

[STPlover]

I watched FOOD inc the other day in which they explored the chicken farms in which are owned but the larger companies use and it was pretty distrubing.