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It's that time of the year... Let's get SCARY STRONG! + Free Suppzzzzz

Woo, the final round!

Never had PB lean...
 
A study done by Layne norton (hypothesis) on proper protein intake and how to dose your protein intake over the day for maximum Muscle Protein Synthesis:

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Head placement with deadlifts:

Your body will always follow your head. If you’re looking down, then the bar is going to want to travel forward. At the same time, you don’t want to look at the ceiling. Focus on an area that keeps your head in a straight, up and back position with the eyes focusing on an upper area of the wall.
 
Misfit28 said:
When doing conventional Deadlifts, be sure to keep the bar as close to your body as possible. I actually drag the bar up my shins, which can take a little getting used to. I try to find a bar that is smooth where my shins will be.
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But should you ??

[video=youtube;JbzwXq2a8_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbzwXq2a8_U[/video]
 
Lower the weight and get a good negative on way down. Don't drop weight but make sure weight is light enough to prevent injuries.
 
The Solution said:
But should you ??

[video=youtube;JbzwXq2a8_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbzwXq2a8_U[/video]
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Yes, you should.

Granted, some people's mechanics are different. However, scraping your shins keeps the bar as close to your body as possible. Andy Bolton recommends it :).

Not sure "Mike Wines" has ever Deadlifted over 1,000 lbs. ;)
 
Misfit28 said:
Yes, you should.

Granted, some people's mechanics are different. However, scraping your shins keeps the bar as close to your body as possible. Andy Bolton recommends it :).

Not sure "Mike Wines" has ever Deadlifted over 1,000 lbs. ;)
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Just because one guy says so does not apply to 99% of the fitness industry who will never want to become a competitive power lifter

Most people value their longetivity of their joints and won't PL and never train to be one
 
The Solution said:
Just because one guy says so does not apply to 99% of the fitness industry who will never want to become a competitive power lifter

Most people value their longetivity of their joints and won't PL and never train to be one
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The same could be said about your "one guy" :)

I'm pretty sure that more than one guy recommends keeping the bar as close to your body as possible. If you want to preserve your longevity, keeping the bar close to it or on the shins results in less stress on your back.
 
Misfit28 said:
The same could be said about your "one guy" :)

I'm pretty sure that more than one guy recommends keeping the bar as close to your body as possible. If you want to preserve your longevity, keeping the bar close to it or on the shins results in less stress on your back.
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I never said it was a bad thing. But lets look at reality here. How many people want to replicate someone who pulls 1000 pounds from a deadlift?
Chances are by the time they are 40-50 their joints will be crippled.
99% of people who lift what is their goal? To have fun, look better, and get stronger.
Chances are the term "Longetivity" comes into play here. Same with someone who can squat 1000 pounds, or turn pro. Chances are next to none of us on here will ever do it.

I know some Powerlifting coaches who deadlift heavy but swear by 20g of creatine daily. We all know that is far from the truth.

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Total body creatine pool turnover is ~2 grams per day. So, if you've neared saturation from use of creatine over an extended period of time, then you are not going to retain more than ~2 grams no matter what. ~3 grams (+/- a little dpending upon LBM) is really all that's needed. As you can see from the Cr group below, most of the 10 grams of creatine taken at once goes down the toilet.

Anything we read/hear should be taken with a grain of salt because we are all made different. some people deadlift better sumo, some conventional, and some find cues from top guys that just do not work for them . Sure a lot of them do, but not everything will. Look at how Layne Norton squats very low bar and with a huge forward learn because of how much weight is on his back. he gets a lot of flack for it, but set a world record doing so this summer. A ton of other top squatters would disagree with his logic but in the end guess what it works even going against the grain. We always have to be open to new suggestions, trains of thought, and cues that could help us improve.

not disagreeing with you on close to your shins, but some people can still DL heavy and engage their posterior chain/hamstrings with it slightly in front of them.
 
Ben Esgro who does Layne Norton's training on how to deadlift properly:

[video=youtube;rgCJkngR6xE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgCJkngR6xE[/video]
 
I really enjoy what Ben and Layne out out there in general. Great resources of knowledge.
 
I honestly hate lifting in a belt and the ONLY time ive strained my back was with using them. Was told I always wore it too low and that was the reason but I will revisit using it another day
 
TheMovement said:
I honestly hate lifting in a belt and the ONLY time ive strained my back was with using them. Was told I always wore it too low and that was the reason but I will revisit using it another day
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If you have good form lifting without a belt will activate and strength your core faster than with one

Try putting it over a sweatshirt people do that with inzer's to help
Break them in
 
The Solution said:
If you have good form lifting without a belt will activate and strength your core faster than with one

Try putting it over a sweatshirt people do that with inzer's to help
Break them in
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Actually, lifting with a belt trains you to be able to activate your core more effectively. It gives you something to "Push out" into. Even Layne Norton has said that.

And honestly think the Elite fts P2 belt is a great value for the money.
 
The Solution said:
If you have good form lifting without a belt will activate and strength your core faster than with one

Try putting it over a sweatshirt people do that with inzer's to help
Break them in
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Yea I was told exactly the same and haven't went back in over a year and still pulling heavier weight. Thanks Bob
 
Misfit28 said:
Actually, lifting with a belt trains you to be able to activate your core more effectively. It gives you something to "Push out" into. Even Layne Norton has said that.

And honestly think the Elite fts P2 belt is a great value for the money.
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"The rumor that wearing a belt will weaken your core is just plain wrong. Research shows that wearing a belt will actually give you more core activation because it provides your core with something to push against.1,2" Layne Norton
 
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Well I figured I might as well jump in here. Forgive me if the topic has already been covered. But in keeping with the contest spirit. The one most important thing and change I made in my deadlift that has helped me over any other is High Belt Placement. Moving my belt placement during deadlifts two-3 inches higher than my squat placement has allowed me to brace my core more effectively during the deadlift motion. Something so simple has caused me to make some pretty good strength gains for myself in the last 10 weeks.

[video=youtube;rNbHBaUMovs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNbHBaUMovs[/video]
[video=youtube;UeWWzEvCG1o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWWzEvCG1o[/video]
 
How do you guys feel about footwear during deads?
 
Misfit28 said:
Lately I've been wearing my chucks. I'd prefer barefoot actually, but my gym requires shoes. :(

I used to use five fingers, but got really tired of them.

The chucks seem to be fine, though.
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I still wear my 5 fingers but why did you get tired of them? Our gym requires shoes as well but its a big difference in a trainer vs the 5 finger vibrams
 
TheMovement said:
I still wear my 5 fingers but why did you get tired of them? Our gym requires shoes as well but its a big difference in a trainer vs the 5 finger vibrams
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I felt like during Squats they were making my form issues worse and didn't want to have to change all the time.
 
Misfit28 said:
I felt like during Squats they were making my form issues worse and didn't want to have to change all the time.
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Ahhh gotcha! Indeed I do not like to squat in them, havent figured out the exacts behind it as my form is still improving but the strain felt just wasnt worth it
 
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evaluated the effects of abdominal belts on lifting performance, muscle activation, intra-abdominal pressure and intra-muscular pressure of the erector spinae muscles”. Now, these factors were measured simultaneously during the Valsalva maneuver—performed by holding your breath while straining or exerting force, as you would do in a squat—as well as during isometric “lifting exertions” (isometric exercises are a type of strength training in which the joint angle and muscle length do not change during contraction)
 
“Much of the occupational evidence has relevance for athletic use of belts. There is no question that belts assist in generating a few more Newton-meters (or foot-pounds) of torque in the torso through elastic recoil of a bent torso that is stiffened with a belt. However, if a neutral spine is preserved throughout the lift this effect is minimal. In other words, to obtain the maximal effect from a belt, the lifter must lift poorly and in a way that exposed the back to a much higher risk of injury!”

Dr. Stuart McGill, a professor of spine biomechanics at the University of Waterloo, has a pretty strong opinion on the use of weightlifting belts:
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Yeah that's one study. There are many others out there that say different things. Bottom line: it's not really settled.

I use a belt only on my top Deadlift/Squat sets. I also use it for heavy OHP.

If you read the page that Bolt posted, it explains a lot of the rationale for using a belt.
 
The Solution said:
“Much of the occupational evidence has relevance for athletic use of belts. There is no question that belts assist in generating a few more Newton-meters (or foot-pounds) of torque in the torso through elastic recoil of a bent torso that is stiffened with a belt. However, if a neutral spine is preserved throughout the lift this effect is minimal. In other words, to obtain the maximal effect from a belt, the lifter must lift poorly and in a way that exposed the back to a much higher risk of injury!”

Dr. Stuart McGill, a professor of spine biomechanics at the University of Waterloo, has a pretty strong opinion on the use of weightlifting belts:
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That study is mentioned on the link that Bolt posted as well.
 
Misfit28 said:
Yeah that's one study. There are many others out there that say different things. Bottom line: it's not really settled.

I use a belt only on my top Deadlift/Squat sets. I also use it for heavy OHP.

If you read the page that Bolt posted, it explains a lot of the rationale for using a belt.
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Same for straps.
Save the straps for the topset and build your forearm strength up.
 
Back to protein for a sec, whats everybodys favorite source? OR favorite exotic/wild game source? Being from Texas I eat a lot of venison and freshwater fish. I keep hearing people talk about kangaroo anybody here tried that?
 
SKL87 said:
Back to protein for a sec, whats everybodys favorite source? OR favorite exotic/wild game source? Being from Texas I eat a lot of venison and freshwater fish. I keep hearing people talk about kangaroo anybody here tried that?
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Best i had was when i was in boston i had eel, ocotopus, bison, and swordfish all in the same meal.
 
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