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Injecting hard drugs when on cycle

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at the very least probably spike your blood pressure.... taxes the liver heavily, so your looking at liver stress there.... increased aggression... the list really goes on and on.

dangerous at best.
 
on the fast track for a heart attack eh?
 
Ya that's kinda what I was thinking. Maybe a hart attack. Or would the hart be stronger because of the roids and in turn make the hart stronger because it was under stress? Just a thought...
 
Big boy D said:
Ya that's kinda what I was thinking. Maybe a hart attack. Or would the hart be stronger because of the roids and in turn make the hart stronger because it was under stress? Just a thought...
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No. Drug induced cardiac "exercise" will not make the heart stronger.
 
CopyCat said:
No. Drug induced cardiac "exercise" will not make the heart stronger.
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This ^^^^^ it robs the heart of oxygen and tissue begins to die,,, once dead it stays dead,, when enough dies, you die
 
Well said? You dont have any more to add then ya what he said? I don't know a lot about the effects of SNOW on the body. It robs oxygen? Why? Why wouldn't the hart heal itself? Would growth hormone help the hart?
 
Big boy D said:
Well said? You dont have any more to add then ya what he said? I don't know a lot about the effects of SNOW on the body. It robs oxygen? Why? Why wouldn't the hart heal itself? Would growth hormone help the hart?
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Cocaine is a vasoconstrictor,, you arteries and capillaries constrict reducing oxygenated blood getting to the tissue while at the same time your heart rate increases, increasing the need for oxygen,, reduced oxygen + increased need = oxygen starvation = dead tissue,,, the heart muscles aren't like other tissues,,, they don't regenerate,,, at best you'll get an enlarged heart leading to poor pumping ability .... I can't remember the medical term,,, but it results in a back wash of blood,,, leading to poor circulation and even more starvation of tissues
 
You seen Bigger Faster Stronger? perfect example of where it takes you. Mike Bell dead at 37 from huffing in a sober living house. Years of speed, juice and a million other drugs left him willing to do anything to get high. Snow will overtake your desire to train or do juice, eventually you may get off drugs grow up and turn into an alcoholic, that's a whole other beautiful path to be on (so I've heard).

Best bet is to stay the hell away from stuff that can kill you slowly and quickly. Maybe you'd be able to "handle it" but why risk it. No one has gone down that path and come out the other side talking about how great it was.
 
Big boy D said:
Well said? You dont have any more to add then ya what he said? I don't know a lot about the effects of SNOW on the body. It robs oxygen? Why? Why wouldn't the hart heal itself? Would growth hormone help the hart?
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I can tell you this,,, if you are already shooting coke,, knowing the dangers will have no effect on you,, the addiction is stronger than knowledge..... my best advice to you is to start smoking crack as soon as possible to speed your tailspin to a bottom.... until you know misery beyond comprehension you'll most likely never quit,,, hope you live long enough to recover,,,, good luck
 
grngoloco said:
Cocaine is a vasoconstrictor,, you arteries and capillaries constrict reducing oxygenated blood getting to the tissue while at the same time your heart rate increases, increasing the need for oxygen,, reduced oxygen + increased need = oxygen starvation = dead tissue,,, the heart muscles aren't like other tissues,,, they don't regenerate,,, at best you'll get an enlarged heart leading to poor pumping ability .... I can't remember the medical term,,, but it results in a back wash of blood,,, leading to poor circulation and even more starvation of tissues
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Called congestive heart failure
 
Great response. Better to shoot to the bottom then spend a decade digging your way there.

grngoloco said:
I can tell you this,,, if you are already shooting coke,, knowing the dangers will have no effect on you,, the addiction is stronger than knowledge..... my best advice to you is to start smoking crack as soon as possible to speed your tailspin to a bottom.... until you know misery beyond comprehension you'll most likely never quit,,, hope you live long enough to recover,,,, good luck
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It's called ischemia when a portion of the heart tissue does not get enough oxygen and begins to die. And the other poster is correct when he said when heart tissue dies, it it dead and is not able to regenerate.

Here is a link to a good article on cocaine and it's effects on the heart.

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grngoloco said:
I can tell you this,,, if you are already shooting coke,, knowing the dangers will have no effect on you,, the addiction is stronger than knowledge..... my best advice to you is to start smoking crack as soon as possible to speed your tailspin to a bottom.... until you know misery beyond comprehension you'll most likely never quit,,, hope you live long enough to recover,,,, good luck
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If you want to drag it out longer, don't consume alcohol with the coke, as that makes the toxic effects much, much greater.
 
tuberman said:
If you want to drag it out longer, don't consume alcohol with the coke, as that makes the toxic effects much, much greater.
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Who would do coke without booze,,, that's a waste,,, have fun with it,,, party your ass off,, get laid,,,, and when it all comes crashing down, build up and do it again and again and again until you can't anymore!!
 
grngoloco said:
Who would do coke without booze,,, that's a waste,,, have fun with it,,, party your ass off,, get laid,,,, and when it all comes crashing down, build up and do it again and again and again until you can't anymore!!
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I used to straight gag on booze when doing coke. :p
 
Big boy D said:
Did you do roids too? Hello!
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Ya know,,, if you're looking for someone to cosign your brilliant plan,, probably won't happen,, seriously, good luck, try not to die
 
CaseyW said:
You seen Bigger Faster Stronger? perfect example of where it takes you. Mike Bell dead at 37 from huffing in a sober living house. Years of speed, juice and a million other drugs left him willing to do anything to get high. Snow will overtake your desire to train or do juice, eventually you may get off drugs grow up and turn into an alcoholic, that's a whole other beautiful path to be on (so I've heard).

Best bet is to stay the hell away from stuff that can kill you slowly and quickly. Maybe you'd be able to "handle it" but why risk it. No one has gone down that path and come out the other side talking about how great it was.
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Bell died of toxic interaction between Topamax and Depakote. It dropped his glucose levels extremely low and made his potassium level spike.
 
Sheesh, I guess pre-wos arnt strong enough for this guy he needs street drugs. Why stop at snow? Why not try everything under the sun. I hear juice+viagra+xtc is fun haha
 
Crystal meth seems to be a more effective fat burner. Chris Farley, John Belushi, and John Candy all used cocaine and their physiques were a mess.
 
sidoious said:
Crystal meth seems to be a more effective fat burner. Chris Farley, John Belushi, and John Candy all used cocaine and their physiques were a mess.
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LMAO!!! a little meth to preload the AAS acne,,, hello moon face!
 
sidoious said:
Crystal meth seems to be a more effective fat burner. Chris Farley, John Belushi, and John Candy all used cocaine and their physiques were a mess.
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Well said.
 
you could easily die, suffer heart failure or increase your chance of heart failure in the near future. and if you're over 35, even worse. not to mention the blow would inhibit t3h gainz.

this has to be a joke topic? (even as a newb i can say that in this topic)
 
SweetLou321 said:
Sheesh, I guess pre-wos arnt strong enough for this guy he needs street drugs. Why stop at snow? Why not try everything under the sun. I hear juice+viagra+xtc is fun haha
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Guilty
 
A joke? What kinda comedy are you into man?
Are you guilty? Of doing juice, Viagra, xtc? Or is it more like all the above?
It's ok to open up a little guys... That is why we are here, right???
Why do people need to make negative comments? Show me the research that says tren,prop, prom, combine with snow increases your chance of hart attack. I don't think there is any.
You guys sound like its foolish talk.... Have you done it? Do you even have a clue more then what your mommy has told you. Don't cross the road guys! You wouldn't last long...
 
I already posted a journal that discusses cokes effects on the heart and it's ability to increase the chance of a heart attack. I guess someone who can't spell heart correctly may not glean much from a scientific journal though.
 
I don't have to date a doctor (which I do anyway) to know that using cocaine with anabolics and your lifestyle will catch up to you.
 
Big boy D said:
A joke? What kinda comedy are you into man?
Are you guilty? Of doing juice, Viagra, xtc? Or is it more like all the above?
It's ok to open up a little guys... That is why we are here, right???
Why do people need to make negative comments? Show me the research that says tren,prop, prom, combine with snow increases your chance of hart attack. I don't think there is any.
You guys sound like its foolish talk.... Have you done it? Do you even have a clue more then what your mommy has told you. Don't cross the road guys! You wouldn't last long...
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Dude!! It's not the mixing coke with roids that we're talking about!! It's the dumbass idea you had that somehow shooting coke might be good for you!!! I'll go out on a limb here. Just an educated guess, that since steroids cause a greater than average increase in muscle size when those muscles are placed under stress that your heart will increase in size faster under the stress of coke than it would without the roids. An enlarged heart is not a good thing like an enlarged bicep might be. An enlarged heart loses the ability to pump efficiently. Also an enlarged heart requires even more oxygen. The cocaine enduced constricted capilaries coupled with increased work load that cocaine also causes is starving your heart tissues, enlarging your heart,, scarring your heart, reducing pumping efficiency which in turn starves every tissue in your body of proper oxygen.... not to mention the damage to other organs such as your brain, kidneys and liver,,, all veins and capillaries are constricted and blood pressure is increased ..... the most laughable thing is you believe your bullshït and are actually sincere in your query,,,, HAHAHA!!!!!!
 
The supposed dangers of steroids aside,, most everyone on here is basically a health nut,,, I know I am... I research, plan and carry out my cycles in such a manner to do the least amount of damage possible! I did my fair share of cocaine in my past,, it ruined my motivation and I went from 180lbs and 6% bf to 310lbs and over 40% bf faster than you'd imagine,,,, Im one of the lucky ones, I came back to my senses before the damage was permanent, before I got any sort of criminal record and before I died!!!
 
grngoloco said:
Dude!! It's not the mixing coke with roids that we're talking about!! It's the dumbass idea you had that somehow shooting coke might be good for you!!! I'll go out on a limb here. Just an educated guess, that since steroids cause a greater than average increase in muscle size when those muscles are placed under stress that your heart will increase in size faster under the stress of coke than it would without the roids. An enlarged heart is not a good thing like an enlarged bicep might be. An enlarged heart loses the ability to pump efficiently. Also an enlarged heart requires even more oxygen. The cocaine enduced constricted capilaries coupled with increased work load that cocaine also causes is starving your heart tissues, enlarging your heart,, scarring your heart, reducing pumping efficiency which in turn starves every tissue in your body of proper oxygen.... not to mention the damage to other organs such as your brain, kidneys and liver,,, all veins and capillaries are constricted and blood pressure is increased ..... the most laughable thing is you believe your bullshït and are actually sincere in your query,,,, HAHAHA!!!!!!
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I'm talking about both the singular use of cocaine as well as the combined use of cocaine and steroids. I mean steroids can enhance platelet aggregation and cause blood clots, and coke has the same effects. Hmm, I wonder what happens when the two are combined? lol

It's amazing how a person can lie to themselves so intently isn't it?
 
What a nut case! This guy really wants scientific proof that shooting coke and steroids is not a good idea??? Let me get my six year old an account maybe he can explain it to you in a way you can understand. Use common sense man!
 
So what could an intelligent addict (yes, an oxy, but I digress) what could he do to fight the negative effects?

NAC and milk thistle for liver stress
Lots and lots of fish oil for lowering platelet aggregation and preventing blood clots, add a cap of feverfew extract for actual thinning
Nitrates to relax the arteries, maybe some citurilline malate and taurine would help a bit, and these should help keep BP from shooting sky high.
a good brand of cordyceps, say Cordy5 to increase oxygen effectiveness
and sure, Ubiquinol, and at least 200 mg per day should fight congestive heart (or hurt hart) failure.
What else?

Big D, No HGH wouldn't help the specific problems, nor would IGF-LR3, unfortunately you need to think natural health supplements not more drugs to decrease damage. It's subtle, if you get my drift.
 
tuberman said:
So what could an intelligent addict (yes, an oxy, but I digress) what could he do to fight the negative effects?
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No, inteliigent addict is not an Oxymoron at all. You are reading a response from one (Thank God one that has been clean for over 20 years). Can't referrence it but when I was in training to become a substance abuse professional a study was cited that did IQ testing with addicts/alcoholics with who had been clean for over a year and had no evidence of brain damage and they scored on average rougly 10% higher than the general population average (110 +- 10 points vs 100+-10 points.) People often get the notion that addicted people are stupid because the do the same things over and over, expecting different results (i.e. multiple OVI's), but that is (although foolish) not the product of a lack of intelligence but rather the delusion (insanity) of the disease. ( "I can handle this, it will be different this time!") Not unlike our boy here who seems to think he has rationalized a way to get away with doing both roids and IV Cocaine. He has the thought distortion that he is smarter than those other people and is "careful" about how he does his ****. Probably even thinks he is smarter than all of us put together.

Back to the original topic, seems no one mentioned stroke. So we have the roids increasing BP, the cocaine stimulatiing the heart as well as the addrenalin release it stimultates, both of them constricting the vascular system and all together skyrocketing BP. Have fun looking ripped and buff in that wheel chair when you lose control of your legs and become weak on your left side. Cerebrovascular event incoming!
 
sidoious said:
I don't have to date a doctor (which I do anyway) to know that using cocaine with anabolics and your lifestyle will catch up to you.
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What....you date a doctor that messes with that white bitch? Lol
 
A combination of substances that negatively affect the heart will obviously not make the heart more at risk.

Fire is dangerous and can be fatal.
Texting while driving can be fatal.
But if I were texting while driving and my car were on fire, it probably wouldn't increase my chances of dying.
Right?
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
A combination of substances that negatively affect the heart will obviously not make the heart more at risk.

Fire is dangerous and can be fatal.
Texting while driving can be fatal.
But if I were texting while driving and my car were on fire, it probably wouldn't increase my chances of dying.
Right?
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We talk about synergy all the time on here,,, it is really possible that one substance with a damage of 2 + a second substance with a damage of three could cause a damage of 8

And referring to the comment of intelligent addict,,, no amount of information will stop an addict from using!!!
Again, my suggestion is for him to start smoking crack to speed up his misery!! Only incomprehensible misery will begin to make him think this isn't a good idea! Even then it may not be enough!
 
CopyCat said:
I already posted a journal that discusses cokes effects on the heart and it's ability to increase the chance of a heart attack. I guess someone who can't spell heart correctly may not glean much from a scientific journal though.
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Ok, well lets make a deal! I will spell heart right if you spell gain right.... D bag!
 
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