MANotaur
Well-known member
bro do you even lift? scalia-esque?? lol
Impeach Gov. Andrew Cuomo 4 violating New Yorker's 2nd Amendment
- Thread starter ax1
- Start date
bro do you even lift? scalia-esque?? lol
southpaw23
Well-known member
F*ck lifting, I workout by performing a rendition of Black Swan in basketball shorts. You think Oxy Elite Pro is the best fatburner out there? Nah, interpretive dancing all day. I do lift but not a body building type routine, my program is built around boxing.
southpaw23
Well-known member
[video]http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/22/16643098-the-monster-want-out-mentally-ill-killer-amassed-huge-arsenal-police-say?lite[/video]
Here's a guy who was able to purchase weapons legally. Yep, thinks are working out quite well. Who needs more restrictions.
Here's a guy who was able to purchase weapons legally. Yep, thinks are working out quite well. Who needs more restrictions.
southpaw23
Well-known member
Which is like going after the street pusher instead of crippling the organization. You really don't see the problem here? We can make 1000 excuses of this guy not doing his job, or that guy, or we can put in place sensible controls where a guy like this should not be able to legally stockpile firearms, including AK. Lol. And FYI- He wasn't flagged in the background check.
MANotaur
Well-known member
ok...so no excuses...if guns were illegal..what would have stopped this guy from getting them illegallly? or since he was so mentally ill and disturbed, what would have kept him from beating his mother to death with a stock pile of louisville sluggers? or what wood have kept him from suffocating her with a spoon...crazy people are crazy and theyre going to do harm no matter whats illegal or legal.
the fact that he chose to get a gun legally or committed the acts with a gun period have little to do with actual problem, which was his lack of mental health and observation. dude shoulda been locked up long ago and shame on his mother and proffessionals who did nt do it. unfortunately, the same people who were didnt get him the help he needs are the people who suffered the concequences
southpaw23
Well-known member
When did I say they should be illegal? Lol. Did you read the article? He was able to "legally" acquire/amass a stockpile of weapons, even though he had a prior conviction, as he was never flagged in the system. That's a problem! Background checks are not universal. They differ from state to state, and depending on the type of transaction. Person to person sales, gun show sales rarely result in background checks being performed, even the NRA acknowledges this. That's effing ridiculous. Strict universal background checks should be enforced, end of story.
Now saying that you can kill someone with a spoon, or other any other object isn't an equitable argument. You can come up to me with a spoon, but good luck on getting very far with it.
MANotaur
Well-known member
thats the case with me and you...not a crazy person and a middle aged woman....the argument is the same. and you didnt say they should be illegal, i was just pointing out that legislating guns wont fix the problem, the police arent fixing the problem, the registration system isnt fixing the problem...the problem was with him not being locked up was the point
ax1
Legend
Right, and according to the FBI, Clubs and Hammers kill more people than rifles and shotguns...so dont we need to prioritize restricting club and hammer ownership? After all its the club and hammer doing the killing, not the killer.
Invalid Link Removed
southpaw23
Well-known member
Regardless, you're missing the bigger point. He should have never been able to legally stockpiles weapons, which he was, given that he was not flagged in the system. That displays a serious flaw that could have potentially brought harm to many more people. Who looks out for their interests? F*ck that, universal checks across the board, period. I care less how much it costs you. I don't care if it raises prices on you. If you can't afford it, find another hobby, or enter a new profession.
southpaw23
Well-known member
You're missing the point as per usual. He should NOT have been able to purchase weapons based on having a prior conviction, period. There's nothing to debate. He had a prior conviction, and yet was able to legally purchase those weapons. He was not flagged in the system, which he should have been. Obviously if there are major flaws like this at that level, then they need to be addressed. Read the article, don't just rebut the link.
MANotaur
Well-known member
universal checks or standardized checks?? i think they should be standardized and made mandatory sure. but if the govt is going require the checks, they should at the very least have a system thats worth a damn to use.
i cant tell if im agreeing with you cause your right or if its cause im so brain dead from multitasking for the past few hours lol
southpaw23
Well-known member
universal checks or standardized checks?? i think they should be standardized and made mandatory sure. but if the govt is going require the checks, they should at the very least have a system thats worth a damn to use.
i cant tell if im agreeing with you cause your right or if its cause im so brain dead from multitasking for the past few hours lol
Lol. Well surely the current system can't be worth a damn, since it allowed a convicted murderer to legally acquire weapons. But ya know, it must be a government conspiracy. I'm sure infowars will get to the bottom of this and tell us it's a flag operation. :/
ax1
Legend
So he had guns, he did not commit a crime. Not saying this guy should have guns...but just saying. They are capitalizing over something that never happened.
The big indicator is that he has a "history of mental illness" which tell us he had been taking them suicide pills that the mainstream media hides from the American people to protect their sponsors.
ax1
Legend
Why not? Did they try to restrict whats more dangerous in society (proven by the FBI) for him to purchase a hammer?
southpaw23
Well-known member
MANotaur
Well-known member
ax1
Legend
Yes, I saw that. Why didnt they mention his prescription history?
southpaw23
Well-known member
ax1
Legend
Most of these mass shooting the shooters are on strong psychiatric drugs. For example some of the major ones such as the Columbine shooting, The Colorodo Theater shooting, and slowly coming out the Newton shooter they are all on psychiatric drugs when in the inserts themselves have listed violent outbursts and suicide as some of the side effects which these facts are always hidden from the mainstream media.
ax1
Legend
I need details of the incident to have an opinion.
MANotaur
Well-known member
what is a strong phychiatric drug?? are you talking about a specific class of drug or what??
some people take paxil for premature ejaculation issues...should they be prevented from owning a gun?
i take lexapro cause i have GAD...should that be flagged so i cant buy a gun?
im just curious as to what drugs they were on becaus if it was the same drug cause if a certain drug is the common denominator then either the drug needs to be taken off the market cause its causing people to shoot people and other **** or they need to make sure the people that are on it are locked up so they cant do it
southpaw23
Well-known member
You'll get use to AX, he's the resident forum guy who write batsh*t crazy things. Lol. I embrace him nevertheless. Of course I think the background check program should be worth a damn, which is why I strongly advocate for it. But you can't tell me, in a current system where a convicted murderer is able to stockpile weapons, including an AK, that this current system works?
southpaw23
Well-known member
OMG man, seriously and I even try with you. Lol. What details do you need? Here goes...he killed his mom and was convicted and served time for it. Got out and began legally stockpiling weapons, which he should not have been able to, if the system wasn't broken. I just did your homework for you.
ax1
Legend
In all seriousness I do not want violent criminals who abused their privileges to be able to purchase drugs. Then again, if this dude killed his mom he should be behind bars for life thats what I support. I support hard prison time.
When it comes to background checks, the ones who get restricted the most are law abiding citizens.
MANotaur
Well-known member
it obviously doesnt work lol i just think that the very people that are bitching and moaning about it are the ones that arent lifting a finger to fix the problem.
ax1
Legend
I just disagree with the solution...I want convicted murders in prison for life, or labor camp.
southpaw23
Well-known member
Agreed. Irrespective of that, he should NOT have been able to legally purchase firearms, especially on a murder conviction. WTF is so difficult to understand about that? He walked into a gun store and purchased weapons, a licensed gun store mind you. Did you read the letter he had written in his room? "The monster wants to come out." C'mon man, even reasonable people can agree that stricter controls needs to be in place that would prevent someone like this from purchasing weapons.
MANotaur
Well-known member
**** prison or labor camps...hook there nuts to a car battery and dump an electrolyte dense liquid all over them....quick cheap and easy...or if your gonna do prison...buy a dessert island somewhere...blindfold em, fly there asses out, and drop them off and never look back...problem solved
MANotaur
Well-known member
and stricter control wont do anything....fixing a background check problem will...but like i said...the people who are cryin the loudest are doing the least to fix the problem, or at the very least taking the lazy way out
southpaw23
Well-known member
Awesome guys, now that we're done feeding their nuts to Komodo dragons, let's stay on topic and discuss how a person like this was able to legally acquire firearms, including an AK.
ax1
Legend
I dont disagree with you...but the whole scenario never should have happened because he should have been in prison. He never should of even had the opportunity any more to be put out in a free society.
MANotaur
Well-known member
they were able to get the guns cause the current check system is flawed and it needs to be fixed....and at least we know what to do with them when they **** up
southpaw23
Well-known member
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Why are you pointing out an AK? What makes that semi automatic rifle more devastating than a Semi Automatic 30-06?
And let's not get the arguement twisted. Expanding Background checks only focuses on one target group, the law abiding.
If ol boy wanted a gun, an arsenel, or a gernade launcher... does anyone believe he would have stopped the minute NICS came back with a big ol NO?
And be aware, the background check system (NICS) is setup by the FBI.. the state has no hand in it.
ax1
Legend
Just another example how goverment cant do anything efficiently.
Maybe the private sector (I dont know who runs the current if its private or not) can compete to get a contract to supply the appropriate technology/system.
MANotaur
Well-known member
and thats the problem...the FBI is incharge of it...they cant even get there own buget and payroll right how do you expect them to manage a database like that??
and an AK is more devestating cause its russian...you obviously havent seen rocky
ax1
Legend
Thats my concern....having Big Bro looking after us is going to effect the big majority law abiding the most.
southpaw23
Well-known member
You support a right without knowing all of the details as to how it's being supported? Lol. Nice. Federal government has no involvement here, which should make you happy. It's state regulated, but here's the kicker, there is no uniformity as to how these laws are enforced or lack thereof, it falls upon the state in question. Now when there is a failure on the state level, maybe, just maybe it's time to....think you know where I'm going with this.
ax1
Legend
You cant find a solution to everything. Best find other solutions, criminals get their guns or alternative weapons, druggies get their drugs, prostitutes will prostitute.
Best reduce restrictions especially concealed carries. Teach our kids how to use weapons responsibly and the art of self defense so they can grow maturely with these weapons. When one of these nut cases run into a movie theater to go on a shooting spree plenty of people will bust a cap in his brain real quick.
Personal reliance is far more dependable than having government protect us.
southpaw23
Well-known member
Yes and that information is provided by the state, which in this case did not occur, hence the reason why this individual was not flagged. I could care less about arguing over what constitutes an assault weapon. The point is, he should not have been able to purchase multiple firearms had the state informed the FBI. There are procedures in place for this and they were not enforced in this case.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
You kind of skimmed over the part before. So since that system failed, we are to expect expanding it will fix the issue? Sort of like how we are spending our way out of debt?
As for the AK statement, I only ask that is because the term assault weapon is a made up term to demonize a very broad group of weapons. Since you mentioned that in a grimm tone, you seem to not be aware of the debate at hand (The "Assault" weapons ban). That is the very narrative that certain organizations/people with an agenda wish to perpetuate.
ax1
Legend
These need to be more studied by a well funded independent science panel. I dont want to jump to conclusions (although I may sound as if I come across that way, Im not) as this may or may not be a contributing factor. The fact that in most cases of mass shooting there are prescription drugs involved it should be included in every dialogue. Media and government do not address these issues.
southpaw23
Well-known member
I referenced it as an AK, because that is how it was described in the article. I don't attempt to draw up my own narrative, despite the fact that I myself don't embrace the gun culture, I respect and support their rights to own/carry/purchase/possess. There was a failure at the state level to keep weapons out of this person's hands, that needs to be addressed.
ax1
Legend
More incentive to have criminals buy guns black market, or make their own assault weapon with a 3D printer, or learn to make home made bombs.
How much money did we spend on the war on drugs and how far did that go along?
jimbuick
Legend
Like the British did to Australia? Lol
MANotaur
Well-known member
exactly!! problem is there were indegenous people there...and that was too big an island...im talkin like....maybe a 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile pile of sand in the pacific along the equator...tops!