Imagine taking P-Slin Twice a day! OMG-Bulk is here!

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poopypants said:
LMAO thats too funny :toofunny: <--- see too funny smiley agrees.

So sick, I started laughing when it hit the chorus and the dino closes his(her) eyes and starts rockin out, lol.
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Damn, now you made me watch it AGAIN, and I promised myself I would NOT :lol:
 
Might this be up today?
 
Im so affraid I will miss this train so Ive been into nutra website like every other minute since monday. WHEN is it coming:aargh: No sleep in days:frustrate
 
i'd hit it.. oops wait, wrong thread..

heck yes we are interested.
 
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should be up today or tomorrow the latest..

Had to go out of town but will have the final protocol done by monday and posted on the forums.
 
In Stock

w00t! In stock at NP. Is this a short-run powder, or will you be considering keeping it available at NP in the long term? Regardless, very excited about the deal. Thanks Jacob!
 
Finally, I secured a PSLIN stack !
 
MrZ said:
picked up 3!! Yes months on P-slin!!

Why is it dosed at 400 mg's when caps come in 500 mg's??

Z
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I asked the same question a minute ago in a different thread ..

PSlin caps = 500mg/cap.

USpowder PSlin Bulk = 21 grams ( .5 grams) = 42 servings @ 500mg/serving ..

Right ?
 
vikinginc said:
I asked the same question a minute ago in a different thread ..

PSlin caps = 500mg/cap.

USpowder PSlin Bulk = 21 grams ( .5 grams) = 42 servings @ 500mg/serving ..

Right ?
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O sh$T, I forgot this very exciting point of the bulk Deal.

To be correct, this is actually a better deal because I upped the super active extract of Lagerstroemia speciosa and excluded the gymnena.

Why? Gymnema is used to help beta cell regeneration in the pancrease but since, we are dosing P-SLIN twice a day, we want to maximize GLUT4 increase with insulin and P-SLIN and this how we will create the steady state anabolic enviroment around our workouts.

Regular P-SLIN has 300mgs of LS and with bulk, you are receiving 400mgs!

You may not believe me now until you are about 4-5 days in, but you are about to experience a pharmacuetical effect.

Believe me or not but I was talking to a bodybuilder yesterday that compared 2 caps of P-slin to 3 ius of insulin....Of course insulin can kill you and P-SLin cannot because we are WORKING independent of insulin.....
 
MrZ; said:
Next question? How can you possibly make 80 doses at 400 mg's from 21 g???? More like 52,5?
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You are right with the arithmetic. Consider 80 doses something like the maximum number of doses from the tub! :)
 
strategicmove said:
You are right with the arithmetic. Consider 80 doses something like the maximum number of doses from the tub! :)
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I guess the number of doses could be endless if you take really small doses. What I want is 80 effective doses and the question is if 262,5 mgs is an effective dose?? If not I dont understand ...

Thats half he capped dose and Im nor sure the higher amount of LS will make that enough.

So what will it be? doses 400 mgs and 52.5 doses or 80 doses at 262.5 mg's????

Its like buying a tub of 90 caps finding out its only 60 in it:blink:
 
MrZ; said:
I guess the number of doses could be endless if you take really small doses....
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I am sure you realize the sense in which I meant my comment. :)

MrZ; said:
What I want is 80 effective doses and the question is if 262,5 mgs is an effective dose?? If not I dont understand ...

Thats half he capped dose and Im nor sure the higher amount of LS will make that enough...
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The capped version of P-Slin has about 30mg of pure corosolic acid. Yet, it was not designed to be taken several times daily. From this point of view, the bulk version may not be dosed at the same amount as the capped version, if the user aims at several doses per day. Hence a lower dose of, say, 262.5mg several times daily is not ineffective. You can also shoot at 400mg per dose at less daily frequency than 262.5mg.
 
guys, 265 should be more then enough to get a great effect, specially when dosed 2x's a day and the compound effect builds up.

When we beta tested the Pslin was in much smaller doses and we took 2 caps to start and then ventured to higher doses.... the difference between 2 and 3 caps was very little and dosing higher then 3 caps at once brought no more effect IMO and was more dependent on what you ATE with it then anything.

The final production dose was said to be between the 2 and 3 cap mark from the beta version so I can say without a doubt that 265 compared to 300 is still going to be VERY effective... remember its more dependent on WHAT you eat with it and the timing used. should be GREAT dosing this 2x ed.... still waiting on some expendable finances though :(
 
USPLabs said:
It's all about making muscle very fast:burg::box:

coming to the NP forum near you MONDAY!
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hahaha nice...question, how would bulk p-slin work dose timing wise with someone who chooses whole foods pre and post w/o ...for example

pre w/o --1 cup oats cooked, apple and 2 scoops whey

post w/o- 2 cups skim milk, scoop of whey, 1/2 cup oats cooked
 
poopypants said:
guys, 265 should be more then enough to get a great effect, specially when dosed 2x's a day and the compound effect builds up.

When we beta tested the Pslin was in much smaller doses and we took 2 caps to start and then ventured to higher doses.... the difference between 2 and 3 caps was very little and dosing higher then 3 caps at once brought no more effect IMO and was more dependent on what you ATE with it then anything.

The final production dose was said to be between the 2 and 3 cap mark from the beta version so I can say without a doubt that 265 compared to 300 is still going to be VERY effective... remember its more dependent on WHAT you eat with it and the timing used. should be GREAT dosing this 2x ed.... still waiting on some expendable finances though :(
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is that an old avy of you poop?
 
StrategicMove, in your expert opinion, what would the optimal dose be when taking twice daily (carb dosing as well)? What about days where I only get a chance to dose once? I'm looking for a focus on effectiveness rather than cost control in this question. I realize, poopy, that you are saying 265mg per dose would be 'adequate', but I'm digging for the most optimal dosing :P And thank you for your input as well.

Before I realized the formula is different than the caps, I was planning to just follow the bottle protocol, but it appears I need your expert help here.

Thanks in advance!
 
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USPLabs said:
To be correct, this is actually a better deal because I upped the super active extract of Lagerstroemia speciosa [LS] and excluded the gymnena.
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Regular P-SLIN has 300mgs of LS and with bulk, you are receiving 400mgs!
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strategicmove said:
The capped version of P-Slin has about 30mg of pure corosolic acid.
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Trying to do the math for the consumers out loud here; the 300mg of LS in regular PSlin converts into 30mg of pure corosolic acid (CA), therefore the LS is 10% CA. A 400mg dose should provide 40mg of CA, and from 21g we would expect 2.1g of pure CA correct?

Also confirming the LS is extracted for the CA, and not for any other extracts correct?
 
MrZ said:
Next question? How can you possibly make 80 doses at 400 mg's from 21 g???? More like 52,5?
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I'm not sure who said it was 80 doses....I just said you can double dose P-SLIN for 1 month with the reccomended protocol of 1 day off a week.

With that said 1 box of PSLIN has 9 grams of our LS extract...
 
USPLabs said:
I'm not sure who said it was 80 doses....I just said you can double dose P-SLIN for 1 month with the reccomended protocol of 1 day off a week.

With that said 1 box of PSLIN has 9 grams of our LS extract...
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It was posted with the writeup at Invalid Link Removed . I'm not sure where we got that from, I just post up the good news :type:

If the general consensus is that 80 doses is a bit unrealistic, I can get it edited to perhaps 60 doses, or whatever you recommend.
 
so whats going to be the best method to change from dosing pslin 15 minutes before carbs to having it with meals can you do both
 
Steveoph said:
Trying to do the math for the consumers out loud here; the 300mg of LS in regular PSlin converts into 30mg of pure corosolic acid (CA), therefore the LS is 10% CA. A 400mg dose should provide 40mg of CA, and from 21g we would expect 2.1g of pure CA correct?

Also confirming the LS is extracted for the CA, and not for any other extracts correct?
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bump!

is there (10%) 40mg corosolic acid per 400mg dose in bulk pslin?
 
SokVichet; said:
StrategicMove, in your expert opinion, what would the optimal dose be when taking twice daily (carb dosing as well)? What about days where I only get a chance to dose once? I'm looking for a focus on effectiveness rather than cost control in this question. I realize, poopy, that you are saying 265mg per dose would be 'adequate', but I'm digging for the most optimal dosing :P And thank you for your input as well.

Before I realized the formula is different than the caps, I was planning to just follow the bottle protocol, but it appears I need your expert help here.

Thanks in advance!
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There are many factors that would make an optimal dose for everyone difficult to pin down. There are several options. You can do the 400mg serving twice daily, with 8-10 hours in-between doses. Take one day off during the week. You could also do the now famous :D 265mg serving three times daily, with about 6-8 hours in-between. You may also take a day off on this protocol, if you wish. You could, of course, experiment on other protocols. Aim at 60g - 100g of carbohydrates (complex and some simple).

There are several studies that may be useful to look at, if you have not seen them already.

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Biol Pharm Bull. 2008 Apr;31(4):651-5.

Dietary corosolic acid ameliorates obesity and hepatic steatosis in KK-Ay mice.

Yamada K, Hosokawa M, Yamada C, Watanabe R, Fujimoto S, Fujiwara H, Kunitomo M, Miura T, Kaneko T, Tsuda K, Seino Y, Inagaki N.

Department of Diabetes and Clinical Nutrition, Kyoto University Graduate School of Medicine, 54 Shogoin-Kawaharacho, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto , Japan.

Corosolic acid (CRA), a constituent of Banaba leaves, has been reported to exert anti-hypertension, anti-hyperinsulinemia, anti-hyperglycemia, and anti-hyperlipidemia effects as well as to induce anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidative activities. The aim of this study was to investigate the inhibitory effects of CRA on the development of obesity and hepatic steatosis in KK-Ay mice, a genetically obese mouse model. Six-week-old KK-Ay mice were fed a high fat diet for 9 weeks with or without 0.023% CRA. Nine-week CRA treatment resulted in 10% lower body weight and 15% lower total fat (visceral plus subcutaneous fat) mass than in control mice. CRA treatment reduced fasting plasma levels of glucose, insulin, and triglyceride by 23%, 41%, and 22%, respectively. The improved insulin sensitivity in CRA-treated mice may be due on part to the increased plasma adiponectin and white adipose tissue (WAT) AdipoR1 levels. In addition, CRA treatment increased the expression of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor (PPAR) alpha in liver and PPAR gamma in WAT. This is the first study to show that CRA treatment can contribute to reduced body weight and amelioration of hepatic steatosis in mice fed a high fat diet, due in part to increased expression of PPAR alpha in liver and PPAR gamma in WAT.

PMID: [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Life Sci. 2006 Nov 25;79(26):2474-9. Epub 2006 Aug 17.

Corosolic acid prevents oxidative stress, inflammation and hypertension in SHR/NDmcr-cp rats, a model of metabolic syndrome.

Yamaguchi Y, Yamada K, Yoshikawa N, Nakamura K, Haginaka J, Kunitomo M.

Department of Pharmacology, School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences, Mukogawa Women's University, 11-68, Koshien Kyuban-cho, Nishinomiya , Japan. [email protected]

Corosolic acid (CRA), a constituent of banaba leaves, has been reported to have anti-inflammatory and hypoglycemic activities. The aim of this study was to determine the effects of CRA on metabolic risk factors including obesity, hypertension, hyperinsulinemia, hyperglycemia, and hyperlipidemia together with oxidative stress and inflammation, all of which are characteristic of the SHR/NDmcr-cp (cp/cp) (SHR-cp) rat, an animal model of metabolic syndrome. Six-week-old male SHR-cp rats were fed a high fat diet containing 0.072% CRA for 14 weeks. Treatment with CRA lowered blood pressure, which was elevated in control animals, by 10% after 8 weeks, and serum free fatty acids by 21% after 2 weeks. CRA treatment resulted in decreases in the levels of the oxidative stress markers thiobarbituric acid-reactive substances and 8-hydroxydeoxyguanosine by 27% and 59%, respectively, after 2 weeks. CRA treatment also reduced the levels of myeloperoxidase markers, 3-nitrotyrosine and 3-chlorotyrosine by 38% and 39%, respectively, after 10 weeks, and tended to decrease the levels of high sensitivity C-reactive protein, a marker of inflammation, after 6 weeks. However, CRA had no effect on weight gain or hyperglycemia. These results demonstrate that CRA can ameliorate hypertension, abnormal lipid metabolism, and oxidative stress as well as the inflammatory state in SHR-cp rats. This implies that CRA can be beneficial for preventing atherosclerosis-related diseases that are an increasing health care problem worldwide.

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Diabetes Res Clin Pract. 2006 Aug;73(2):174-7. Epub 2006 Mar 23.

Effect of corosolic acid on postchallenge plasma glucose levels.

Fukushima M, Matsuyama F, Ueda N, Egawa K, Takemoto J, Kajimoto Y, Yonaha N, Miura T, Kaneko T, Nishi Y, Mitsui R, Fujita Y, Yamada Y, Seino Y.

Department of Diabetes and Clinical Nutrition, Graduate School of Medicine, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan. [email protected]

Corosolic acid (CRA) is a substance extracted from Lagerstroemia speciosa L. and has been reported to have biological activities in in vitro and experimental animal studies. In this study, 31 subjects were orally administered 10mg CRA or a placebo, on different occasions, in a capsule 5min before the 75-g oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) in a double-blind and cross-over design. Nineteen subjects had diabetes, seven had impaired glucose tolerance, one had impaired fasting glucose, and four had normal glucose tolerance according to the 1998 WHO criteria. There were no significant differences in plasma glucose levels before and 30min after the administration. CRA treatment subjects showed lower glucose levels from 60min until 120min and reached statistical significance at 90min. In this study, we have shown for the first time that CRA has a lowering effect on postchallenge plasma glucose levels in vivo in humans.

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So can we actually understand the difference between capped P-Slin and the bulk P-slin?

It says the capped P-slin is Engineered Extract from Lagerstroemia Speciosa) & Gymnemic Complex.

Bulk is just the Lagerstromeia Speciosa?

What would the Gymnemic have added in the capped?

What are the differences in methods of action between the capped and the bulk?

Can these points be addressed?
 
R-Mac said:
is that an old avy of you poop?
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well its a "new" avi actually.... but its a cut out I just did of an old pic right when I started working out... lol.

A whopping 140lbs at the exact same height I am now... 50lbs def makes a BIG difference.
 
here's a link:
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