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Zero Tolerance

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Over the years, I've tried lots of drugs.. Never anything extreme like Heroine or Crack/Cocaine, but lighter things like Marijuana, Mushrooms a couple of times, LSD 2 or 3 times.. Even Ecstasy once before I knew exactly what was in it..

So.. The curious person I am - I decided to try Salvia Divinorum. Go ahead. YouTube it.

WTF'F?!?!

One second I'm sitting there waiting to feel something.. The next, I'm trying to pull myself out of a wall back into reality. From the waist down - which I could not see - was back "home" - though at the time, I didn't remember where that was - and from the waist up, I was sideways sticking out of a paneled wall from the house I lived in up until six years old.

There was some woman in my old house trying to convince me to come all the way through. It was terrifying because I was slowly doing just that. At one point, only the knees down were left in my old reality - whatever that was. The scariest thing is, during this time, I had no idea that THIS wasn't reality. I had no recollection that I'd just smoked Salvia. To me, this was what life was - whatever it was. And somehow, after all my panicking, the woman "let" me go back.

I didn't "see" anything of the room or chair I was sitting at. Or the desk I was sitting in front of. Nothing. This wasn't a hallucination - I was completely in another dimension. People say they "see" things or have out of body experiences.. I was totally somewhere else. It's strange to think my eyes were wide opened and I saw nothing that was actually in front of me. (Yes, I'm 100% positive my eyes were opened)

Luckily for me, it only seemed to last a few seconds - though it actually lasted a full five minutes - like it's supposed to. MOST people say it felt like hours that they were under. I must have taken a very light dose. But what's so scary is there was no warning. I was just sitting there waiting for this "experience" and before I could even begin to wonder "when" it's going to "hit me", I was struggling in the wall.

Very, very wierd.. If you're considering trying Salvia Divinorum, you might want to think twice.. Will I do it again? Yes. I'll give it another shot. But I have to find a way to keep myself secured. They say you should have a 'sitter' to make sure you don't hurt yourself - but I'm a pretty big guy and I don't want to end-up possibly hurting my sitter.

During this experience, I did unlock and open the door in the room I locked myself in. That's not good - because there's stairs not too far outside the door.. I need to figure out a better way to experience this.. Maybe next time I'll "go" where this lady was trying to take me...
 
I'll be staying a long ways away from that stuff! Just the idea of hallucinogens gives me the creeps. I know I would freak out big time! I prefer the nice lightheadedness of pain killers.

Thanks for the warning/description of that stuff.
 
I have used salvia a few times, I didn't get a whole lot out of it.

Like you I shy away from anything too serious.

Like they say in "knocked up":
If it grows from the ground, it's probably okay......."[/quote]

But this salvia stuff is pretty notorious for "bad trips". Good thing they only last about 5 minutes
 
After watching basically ALL the Salvia videos on YouTube, I was really curious as to what *I* would see. Some people go into laughing fits. Some people see hallucinations like walls melting or everything being 'plastic'. Some people see demons.. The Mayans use this in their healing methods..

Of course, there is NOTHING of a "high" at all. It's in NO way a party drug. It's something to use to see your inner self and/or the things in your mind that you don't see in conscious reality.

What's very odd is how some people who do Salvia in a room with other people simultaneously - see some of the same hallucinations in the exact same spot in a room as others. Almost as if the experience is somehow trans dimensional. Like there are actually some things in existence that we cannot see without being in the state of mind that Salvia Divinorum puts you in...

It really is very interesting.. And legal.. For now...
 
Of course, there is NOTHING of a "high" at all. It's in NO way a party drug. It's something to use to see your inner self and/or the things in your mind that you don't see in conscious reality.
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If that **** is a way to find your inner self i'll stick to my current hallucination of reality...
 
ahhhhh....... i remember the good old days when SS and i would eat about 8 hits of acid and head out to find the meaning to life.
 
Zero Tolerance said:
Never anything extreme like Cocaine, but lighter things like Marijuana, Mushrooms, LSD, Ecstasy
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I don't see how blow is that much more extreme than what you've done :p


My salvia experience was nowhere near as vivid as yours, I'm thinking I had a weak extract.
 
what extract did you use? The highest I have ever gone was 10x and I start laughing really hard and have no idea whats going on for those 5minutes. I haven't tried the stuff in years, but it was definitely an experience. Like you said, it just hits you like a rock. On your second hit you usually are thinking I wonder how long I have to wait and then the next thing you are wondering what the hell is going on. Maybe someday i'll try the 20x and have an out of body experience that many speak of.
 
I remember something else. As I was coming back to reality, I unlocked and opened the door. I looked out after a step or two but that's it. I came back into the room and looked around having absolutely no idea who or where I was. This lasted a couple of minutes until everything came back slowly...

I also have to mention that when I was trying to pull myself back into reality - as I mentioned up above - I didn't really know 'what' was on the other side of that wall - where my feet were. I just felt it was better than where I was going.

When I was coming back to reality, I looked out the window and that didn't mean anything to me. I had no idea where I was. I felt like I was in an attic.

I think it would have been a good idea to have some music playing. That would have grounded me.. The silence made everything that much more real. It's really amazing how real everything seemed and how I knew absolutely nothing of how I got there, how long I'd been there, etcetera...
 
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I bought 3.1g of salvia 10x, good ****. I wont type my stories it takes to long. Iv only done 2 illegal drugs, weed and coke. Honestly coke is WAAY over rated. Ya it makes you stay up all night, and talk alot but thats it. For the money it really isnt worth it, but I like it going into my nose and down my throat.
 
I don't like doing anything addictive.. LSD isn't like that at all.. Marijuana feels almost the same as alcohol to me. Mushrooms are kinda weak - but fun.. Ecstasy was a mistake. I would not have done that if I'd known exactly what it was. I smoked a joint laced with Angel Dust once. That was retarded.. I didn't care for it. I consider crack/cocaine and heroine the 'big leagues'...

My Salvia extract was 20x.. Pretty strong but not the strongest... Too strong for a first time..

moklepaul said:
I don't see how blow is that much more extreme than what you've done :p


My salvia experience was nowhere near as vivid as yours, I'm thinking I had a weak extract.
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**** when I first did coke it was 3 of us and we split 6 grams. It was my first time and I did it for 11hrs straight. Get a towel wet and sniff some of the water to clear out ur nostral, MMMM good. As for addiction that is for the weak. Only addiction I have is girls!
 
When smoked, what exactly is the active in the vapor form?

My scariest trip was more like the movie Jacobs Ladder type trip. I have not flashed back in a very very long time, which is good :)
 
FYI: Some intelligent folks here discussing the same drug for treating ADHD and low libido.

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Just an FYI. With the amount I took, one gram would last me 10 times or more.. You need almost nothing of this stuff to get what I got...
 
Salvia.....i found this when i was in the military bought an ounce of regular leaves and some 10x, 20x, and the "horsekiller" 40x.

If you dont do you research on it you wouldnt know that it needs to be lit with the light the whole time (high heat) to activate the stuff then you must hold in for as long as you can.

First experience was a laughing trip. Then just like that i was out of it and completely normal like wtf!

I smoked this **** for about 2 months, turning other people on to it in the dorms. It was funny. You build tolerance to it pretty quick, at least i did.

Ive had aural hallucinations, and visual. Some were just damn right weird, in fact they all were. One time i thought i was a shopping cart outside of a grocery store and this fat ugly ladie was walking towards me. I started saying "no, no, noooo" as she picked me from the line of shopping carts and wheeled me off....then i was just laughing. That was just one of the trips.

I think it will stay legal. It could be potentially dangerous tho because sometimes you just dont know what you are doing. Driving on salvia would def. not be good at all.
 
ReaperX said:
Has anyone tried Absynth (sp?) I know it is avail. in Europe.
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I just tasted some of that a couple weeks ago. We have a freind from Russia, he goes back on business a few times/yr. He brought three bottles back after his last trip. We only tried the weaker of the stuff. Very weird!! Coats the inside of your mouth with this funky warm feeling. I didn't have enough to get in any mind trips though. Maybe next time we go up.
 
I was reading Alien's post, what makes the Salvia only last 5 minutes ? Does it have a extremely low metabolic half-life ? I remember when I had some 'green' awhile back I got really paranoid and that lasted for about 1.5-2 hrs. It made me sluggish in respect alcohol, but it was not a feeling I'd like to expierence again (unlike beer). Just curious.
 
I read a lot of stories of people 'becoming' things. Like shopping carts and loafs of wonder bread. It's wierd. But another thing I've heard is that your tolerance to Salvia Divinorum DECREASES as you use it. I've never heard (or read) of anybody building a tolerance to it. And I've been doing a whole ton of reading lately.

This is very unique stuff. I'm still mentally buzzing about my experience. It's like I saw the best movie I've ever seen and I still can't get it off my mind. My experience was short but extremely real.

Another interesting tidbit.. I read this on the Mind and Muscle site:

Humans are being bombarded CONSTANTLY by all outside energy, and our brains do a fantastic job at filtering what we receive into something we can relate to, removing all the weird ****. Psychedelics decrease some of the filtering.
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That makes sense to me. My experience must have been something in the back of my subconscious mind that I never think about. I freaked out and somehow pulled myself out of the 'trip' - and came back relearning life/the world over the next 5 minutes...

pistonpump said:
Salvia.....i found this when i was in the military bought an ounce of regular leaves and some 10x, 20x, and the "horsekiller" 40x.

If you dont do you research on it you wouldnt know that it needs to be lit with the light the whole time (high heat) to activate the stuff then you must hold in for as long as you can.

First experience was a laughing trip. Then just like that i was out of it and completely normal like wtf!

I smoked this **** for about 2 months, turning other people on to it in the dorms. It was funny. You build tolerance to it pretty quick, at least i did.

Ive had aural hallucinations, and visual. Some were just damn right weird, in fact they all were. One time i thought i was a shopping cart outside of a grocery store and this fat ugly ladie was walking towards me. I started saying "no, no, noooo" as she picked me from the line of shopping carts and wheeled me off....then i was just laughing. That was just one of the trips.

I think it will stay legal. It could be potentially dangerous tho because sometimes you just dont know what you are doing. Driving on salvia would def. not be good at all.
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ReaperX said:
I was reading Alien's post, what makes the Salvia only last 5 minutes ? Does it have a extremely low metabolic half-life ? I remember when I had some 'green' awhile back I got really paranoid and that lasted for about 1.5-2 hrs. It made me sluggish in respect alcohol, but it was not a feeling I'd like to expierence again (unlike beer). Just curious.
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The actual mechanism of salvia is unknown. Some believe that it opens a doorway to other dimensions. Once the doorway is open, the consciousness is free to experience reality outside of the one in which we normally live our lives. The lack of a familiar structure causes the consciousness, which becomes anxious outside its normal habitat, to rebuild reality to a more familiar state.

So, technically once you enter an altered state of consciousness you can stay there as long as your mind will allow,...at least that's the mystical interpretation !
 
Has anybody heard of any bad trips, and what happened. The whole thing about expanding reality and opening doors is very interesting. I'd just be affraid of a bad trip and going on some murder spree then spending the rest of my life in a padded cell!
 
Yeah, salvia is the only drug that actually has a reverse tolerance. The more you use it, the more f'ed up you get on it...

The local head shops around here only sell the leaves, the only place to get the extract is online most of the time...the extract is what you want. And DO NOT PM ME ASKING WHERE TO GET NEWBIES!!!!

You gotta use a butane torch lighter and smoke out of a water bong to get full effects. Used to battle addiction with many hard drugs back in my teen years, I'm glad I'm all done with it now. Wish I could say the same for others...
 
CRUNCH said:
Has anybody heard of any bad trips, and what happened. The whole thing about expanding reality and opening doors is very interesting. I'd just be affraid of a bad trip and going on some murder spree then spending the rest of my life in a padded cell!
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ive heard of people being in voids where nothing exist just blackness.....sounds nuts
 
CRUNCH said:
Has anybody heard of any bad trips, and what happened. The whole thing about expanding reality and opening doors is very interesting. I'd just be affraid of a bad trip and going on some murder spree then spending the rest of my life in a padded cell!
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The trip only lasts about five minutes.. You can't go all too crazy in that amount of time. The best way to do Salvia is to smoke it in a water pipe. Available at any head shop or online. People talk about how harsh it is when smoked.. I used a water bong with cold water and I didn't even feel the smoke go in. I've smoked cigarettes in the past and this was as easy as breathing in fresh air...

Yeah, I'd say I had a bad trip. And if you look on YouTube, you'll find a few bad trips. But, nonetheless, they're interesting. I thought I'd never want to do salvia again for about 5 minutes.. But after really thinking about what happened, I'm very interested in exploring more.

When all is said and done, it's pretty harmless.. It's like having a really bad dream. It's just a dream. No matter what happens during the short 5 minutes or so, you'll be back in safe reality right away.

I remember as I was 'coming back' and still not knowing where the hell I was - feeling extremely relieved to know that my life wasn't really what I was just experiencing...

You MUST somehow record yourself. It's very interesting to watch movements you make and things you do. It helps you remember where you were at what time during the event. For example.. I distinctively remember turning my head 'back' looking at the wall I was coming out of - and during the recording, I see that happen. This allowed me to understand where I was in 'the trip' AND in reality simultaneously...
 
lifted said:
You gotta use a butane torch lighter and smoke out of a water bong to get full effects.
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I read that a lot as well but I used a regular lighter and got very powerful affects with a fairly light dose. I could have inhaled more smoke. I also see (on YouTube) people with regular lighters achieving excellent results - more than one could ask for.

So I'm not all that sure about the whole butane torch lighter thing. I'm certain that I don't need one...
 
Have you ever thought about what it would be like to wake up one day and be ten years old? Realizing that the entire 20, 30 (or whatever) years you had experienced was all just a dream?

That's one of the feelings I had that crossed my mind during this 'trip'. For some time while I was in that 'wall', I had this feeling that 'this' wasn't truly my reality and that I was dreaming - but that when I woke up, I'd be in that house - because THAT reality felt very real.

Anyone who tries to describe the Salvia Divinorum experience has trouble like I'm having. But I'm posting everything that comes to my mind (of the experience) for reference...

I find that some of these bodybuilding message boards have the most intelligent people on them. And anyone who finds superdrol (heh) interesting might find my postings/experiences useful...
 
Zero Tolerance said:
Have you ever thought about what it would be like to wake up one day and be ten years old? Realizing that the entire 20, 30 (or whatever) years you had experienced was all just a dream?
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What if, you were the total consciousness of the universe and you forgot?...and then you forgot that you had forgotten?

What if ,what you thought was your life was an implanted construct, that draws its power from fear and conflict?

Would you go back to sleep ?

What if, you were not dreaming ???

What if, we are all just the imagination of ourselves?
 
An interesting quote I just found in regards to the Salvia Divinorum trip...

To be shaken out of the ruts of ordinary perception, to be shown for a few timeless hours (hours?) the outer and inner world, not as they appear to an animal obsessed with survival or to a human being obsessed with words and notions, but as they are apprehended directly and unconditionally, by Mind at Large - this is an experience of inestimable value to everyone and especially to the intellectual.
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I find those quotes written to make everyone seem like they are on some higher plane of existance...funny. I can tell you a lot of things that can happen to you in 5 minutes ofa trip where you aren't in control of what you do or experience.

I'm not knocking you guys for doing what you do/done but try not to make it sound like 5 minutes isn't enough time to get into trouble. Any parent can tell you otherwise. :)
 
Yeah, you ARE right.. I shouldn't have thought otherwise.. Like I said, I could have very easily fallen down my flight of stairs.. You really need to be secure in a safe area - unable to go walking around in the street, for example.. A sitter is a good idea but that scares me too...

Jayhawkk said:
I find those quotes written to make everyone seem like they are on some higher plane of existance...funny. I can tell you a lot of things that can happen to you in 5 minutes ofa trip where you aren't in control of what you do or experience.

I'm not knocking you guys for doing what you do/done but try not to make it sound like 5 minutes isn't enough time to get into trouble. Any parent can tell you otherwise. :)
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My first trip I was sitting at my computer. 2 hits later I was outside leaning on a fence talking to my brother laughing my ass off. I came back to reality and I was still at my computer:(

Second time I did 3 hits layed down on my bed and closed my eyes. I started sweating and there was these 2 giant rings rolling over me pushing me far into my bed, it was nuts, I took a nap after that one.

I did it again last weekend I beleive outside. It was just like a black world, I didnt see or hear nothing I was just out The other guy said he was hearing voice etc etc. GOod times.

I wanna try it in a room with like weird music with black lights going on. Id love to try shrooms but it would suck if I didnt like it and I was stuck in it for 8 hrs. I could do some serious damage if I freaked out.
 
Jayhawkk said:
I find those quotes written to make everyone seem like they are on some higher plane of existance...funny. I can tell you a lot of things that can happen to you in 5 minutes ofa trip where you aren't in control of what you do or experience.

I'm not knocking you guys for doing what you do/done but try not to make it sound like 5 minutes isn't enough time to get into trouble. Any parent can tell you otherwise. :)
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Anybody who experiments with these kind of experiences should have a trustworthy sober friend to be his "sitter"

That is about as responsible as you can be due to the nature of these things. I would not urge anyone to jump into a DMT or Salvia experience...it's not for thrill seekers
 
The only thing that concerns me more than the physical harm is, not knowing the mechanism or active, what kind, if any, damage is taken place in the brain.
 
Chad said:
ahhhhh....... i remember the good old days when SS and i would eat about 8 hits of acid and head out to find the meaning to life.
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ahhhhhhhh been there......:hammer: i had a lot of fun with that stuff back in the day...
 
Zero T,

If I was an Indian Shaman, which I'm not, I might say that you had the experience that you were supposed to and many don't, that Salvia is a female spirit that has things to show you.

Salvia Divinorum is a powerful tool to expand awareness if properly used, in line with what Don Juan did with Carlos Castaneda.

I personally think that people like Terence McKenna are probably right, that hallucinogens were very influential in human brain development.
 
Perhaps the most interesting thing about Salvia is how it works in the brain: nobody knows. It has been theorized to somehow affect the limbic system in the brain, and possibly the somatosensory (parietal lobe), cerebellar and vestibular functions. Beyond that, however, the mechanism by which Salvinorin A causes it's entheogenic effect is unknown. It does not react with any of the known neuroreceptors in the brain, nor any precursors. By all observations, the chemical simply floats up into the brain and dissolves. Even still, it is the most potent hallucinogen found in nature (threshold dose is 200 micrograms. LSD-25's threshold dose is more like 20ug, but then, it's not found in nature like LSA).

B5150 said:
The only thing that concerns me more than the physical harm is, not knowing the mechanism or active, what kind, if any, damage is taken place in the brain.
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I don't know if much matters to the user, but as I understand it, Salvia's primary active, salvinorin A, is a selective Kappa Opioid agonist, tweaking receptors that are usually activated during REM dream sleep. Opium and it's extracted and created kin also activate the Kappa receptors, creating a dreamy mental state, but not selectively.

At less than hallucinogenic doses, it feels like Whippets, Nitrous Oxide, to me with the sensation of spinning, most strongly felt with eyes closed, and sedation. Those effects may be a product of other actives in there.
 
i tried that stuff once.....i took a few hits and nothing....then it hit me at once...i couldnt walk and i was laying in a curled up ball on the floor laughing...kinda weird....then i felt ****ty for an hour
 
I'm definitely interested in learning as much as I can.. The REM part sounds interesting...

Rogue Drone said:
I don't know if much matters to the user, but as I understand it, Salvia's primary active, salvinorin A, is a selective Kappa Opioid agonist, tweaking receptors that are usually activated during REM dream sleep. Opium and it's extracted and created kin also activate the Kappa receptors, creating a dreamy mental state, but not selectively.

At less than hallucinogenic doses, it feels like Whippets, Nitrous Oxide, to me with the sensation of spinning, most strongly felt with eyes closed, and sedation. Those effects may be a product of other actives in there.
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