IGF-1 worth it?

is IGF-1 worth it? price to benefiets?

  • yes the stuff is great

    Votes: 107 75.9%

  • no what a waste

    Votes: 34 24.1%
  • Total voters
    141
PumpingIron said:
I wasn't all too impressed with my first go-round with it. But I am planning on giving it another go in the near future, maybe during this post cycle therapy...

I voted "No" but I see it more of a middle ground.
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Exactly like my chinchilla's experience...

He got 50 mcgs bilaterally for 6 weeks during pct. Other than lethargy and a noticeable metabolic advantage :burg: , his frame looked the same. Although, results with IGF use may not manifest during the cycle.

I will give him another round of treatment with some epi, next year :thumbsup: .
 
hurdlemaker said:
I fill the igf up to the 4th line on the slin pins and then fill up the bacteriostatic water to the 30th line
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I go with 2:1 NaCl to Igf ratio.

I use two slin pins, one/side. 20-25mcg/pin, load the igf in .5cc pins, then add some NaCl, and then get a nurse (yeah you heard it, a nurse, that's the best part of it) to inject my lab rat.
 
They say a high dose of EPA is as good as IGF ; it’s anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1 from what I understand. Id go with GHRP6 and MGF.
 
It has been worth it from my one cycle with it. The cycle was not run very well, I did the IGF every day and in retrospect I realize this was a waste and unnecessarily shut down natural production.

This time I'm running it 4 days a week (immediately PWO) and going to keep going for 5-6 weeks at 30-40mcg split bilat.

I'll also be dove tailing (ie the last 1-2 weeks will be concurrent) with GHRP-6 and Hexaralin each at 100-150mcg a night (together sub Q). I'll run that for 2-4 weeks or whatever my finances allow.

I would love to find a cheap source for Hexaralin (hint hint!).

I'll be sure to report on my experience, peace ya'll!
 
pistonpump said:
Is this stuff really worth it price to benefiets in your opinion?
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Just depends. I think it is well worth the money. Be sure it use when cycling. I would suggest usinf 50mcg/day the first month of cycle and the 100mcg/day 20 days after cycle or PCT. You will retain all the gains and more.:rant:
 
N4cer said:
Effects are seemingly much less when using this generic Chinese crap as opposed to the GroPep.
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Not all of us can afford GroPep N4cer ;)

I have seen and used quite a bit of igf over the past couple of years. I miss the pre-ORD days fo sho!

I have used GroPep and generic chinese. I do think the GroPep was better but I have seen (not ran) 97-98% chinese igf that I would say would be very close to GroPep.

Igf is a great peptide but I do get tired of the lethargy.

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Nothing has pointed to IGF CAUSING such a thing. That's like people accusing steroids for hair loss. If your predisposed for it the process just speeds up.
 
jminis said:
Nothing has pointed to IGF CAUSING such a thing. That's like people accusing steroids for hair loss. If your predisposed for it the process just speeds up.
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Yeah! 'Cause if that were true, Jminis would have cancer in his penis since he did a hardcore regimen of penile IGF injects.
 
djbombsquad said:
They say a high dose of EPA is as good as IGF ; it’s anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1 from what I understand. Id go with GHRP6 and MGF.
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Where did you hear that EPA is as good as IGF-1. If that's true I should be injecting fish oil.:gotsearch
 
as long as you have good igf and use enough it is well worth it. i have used it many of times and loved the results. i know alot of people that are cheap and try to get away with shooting 40mcgs a day so they dont have to buy 2 or 3 bottles and then wonder why they are not having good results. 50mcgs shot twice a day works great for me
 
i voted yes. im now opening my mind to the notion, that many others have, that good old IGF-1 injected several times a day is better than LR3 because it stays site specific and does not go systemic. After this next course im doing(mgf+lr3 igf-1) im going to do an mgf+igf-1(non lr3) to compare the difference and see if there is any site specific growth.
for the same reasons I also feel that regular mgf injections may be more effective than less frequent peg-MGF ones.

I dont mind being a pin cushion, a few years back I did a long pgf2a course, nothing will ever compare to how bad that **** makes you feel. lol on my first day I really believed I was going to be found dead on the shitter. :D
 
I have been reading on another forum that IGF DOES NOT cause hyperplasia and its main intent is for muscle hypertrophy. I reading the debate as it goes on but any more info showing IGF does or does not cause hyperplasia would be a great benefit, because if it does not cause hyperplasia then I would feel it is useless for that is the only reason I would take it for.
 
chainsaw said:
I have been reading on another forum that IGF DOES NOT cause hyperplasia and its main intent is for muscle hypertrophy. I reading the debate as it goes on but any more info showing IGF does or does not cause hyperplasia would be a great benefit, because if it does not cause hyperplasia then I would feel it is useless for that is the only reason I would take it for.
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the original study with IGF-1 (not LR3 version) in mice proved hyperplasia, after they dissected the infused muscles and counted the number of fibres so im still with the belief it does but as I said im of the thinking that LR3 becomes systemic and hence we are not seeing these effects.
 
pumbertot- You dont belive igf/hgh/mgf can cause hyperplasmia in humans? Only certain animals?..
 
vitor said:
pumbertot- You dont belive igf/hgh/mgf can cause hyperplasmia in humans? Only certain animals?..
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no on the contrary, i do believe. but im of the opinion that when gropep made the LR3 version, it took away some of the anabolic properties of the original IGF-1 peptide which was identical to the body's own version. also site specific growth was more likely with non LR3.

with mgf im just not sure yet but ive heard more positive results from the non-peg version. maybe pegylation has altered the peptide too greatly? i know 2 people very well that have made incredible site specific growth to their biceps, tris and delts with regular mgf. I mean freaky size differences in the space of a few months so my money is on that form.

hgh im unsure of with hyperplasia but certainly hypertrophy and fat loss make it very worthwhile imo.
 
pumbertot said:
no on the contrary, i do believe. but im of the opinion that when gropep made the LR3 version, it took away some of the anabolic properties of the original IGF-1 peptide which was identical to the body's own version. also site specific growth was more likely with non LR3.

with mgf im just not sure yet but ive heard more positive results from the non-peg version. maybe pegylation has altered the peptide too greatly? i know 2 people very well that have made incredible site specific growth to their biceps, tris and delts with regular mgf. I mean freaky size differences in the space of a few months so my money is on that form.

hgh im unsure of with hyperplasia but certainly hypertrophy and fat loss make it very worthwhile imo.
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So why did Gropep make LR3, and is there any original IGF around?
 
stankydanky said:
so is there any point in using igf-1 RH over the igf-1 LR3 version?
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thats the 6 million dollar question i guess. it can be argued both ways. but Grunt makes a strong point in the usefullness of LR3 which is hard to argue against.

i have seen localised growth from LR3, I cant say yet if its hyperplasia though I will surely find out,by seeing how much muscle i retain, when I cant train for the 4 month period following my pec repair in June this year.
 
pumbertot said:
thats the 6 million dollar question i guess. it can be argued both ways. but Grunt makes a strong point in the usefullness of LR3 which is hard to argue against.

i have seen localised growth from LR3, I cant say yet if its hyperplasia though I will surely find out,by seeing how much muscle i retain, when I cant train for the 4 month period following my pec repair in June this year.
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lets be on honest, there is no way you will be able to tell if your gains came from hyperplasia or hypertrophy.
 
stankydanky said:
lets be on honest, there is no way you will be able to tell if your gains came from hyperplasia or hypertrophy.
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well i would argue that if i hold more size when not training than i did last time I was out injuerd this would be evidence of hyperplasia over hypertrophy as you would end up the same size untrained if it was only hypertrophy.
 
pumbertot said:
well i would argue that if i hold more size when not training than i did last time I was out injuerd this would be evidence of hyperplasia over hypertrophy as you would end up the same size untrained if it was only hypertrophy.
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I agree. It shows at LEAST an increase in myonuclear number, a direct result of fusion of myoblasts which only IGF-1 can trigger.
 
I think at $100/mg for good quality IGF-1 the stuff is dirt cheap for what it does. At $200/mg it becomes arguable and at $300/mg you have to be stinking rich for it to be worth your while.

For me the breaking point is $150/mg.
 
Grunt76 said:
I think at $100/mg for good quality IGF-1 the stuff is dirt cheap for what it does. At $200/mg it becomes arguable and at $300/mg you have to be stinking rich for it to be worth your while.

For me the breaking point is $150/mg.
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yes it is indeed. in fact over here in australia, its more cost effective than AAS due to the inflated prices. oh how i remember the good old days back in the UK when I paid £3 for an amp of organon sust.:think:
 
agent8 said:
Where did you hear that EPA is as good as IGF-1. If that's true I should be injecting fish oil.:gotsearch
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The capacity of EPA to block excessive muscle protein breakdown is powerful; it’s anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1. What a lot of bodybuilders don’t realize is that their muscles produce a specific form of IGF in response to heavy weight training. As far as fish oil you can google it I am sure. I can't seem to find the study right now.
 
EPA blocks excessive muscle breakdown by reducing the activity of the major biochemical pathway that results in the destruction of muscle protein and loss of muscle mass. Regular use of EPA may help prevent excessive muscle protein breakdown during heavy training programs.

Secondly, although inflammation is an essential part of immune activation, excessive inflammation produced by intense exercise can result in poor recovery, chronic joint pain and muscle loss. By reducing excess inflammation within muscle and connective tissue will provide the athlete with a big head start in terms of recovery from exercise. EPA is particularly effective at doing this.

EPA is essential to the manufacture of an entire series of prostaglandins (short lived muscle growth factors), that work to reduce muscle inflammation. A rich source of EPA in the diet helps to reduce inflammation. This means faster recovery and a greater anabolic effect from training.

Finally, EPA helps to build a bigger, leaner physique by promoting insulin sensitivity in muscle. Insulin is a key transporter of nutrients into cells. Efficient insulin metabolism is the cornerstone of building a lean, healthy, physique. High dose EPA promotes an insulin-sensitizing effect in tissue, even in healthy people that do not have diabetes. That means more calories are directed towards lean tissue for recovery and growth while less calories are stored as body fat.
 
djbombsquad said:
The capacity of EPA to block excessive muscle protein breakdown is powerful; it’s anti-catabolic effects are shown to be even more potent than IGF-1. What a lot of bodybuilders don’t realize is that their muscles produce a specific form of IGF in response to heavy weight training. As far as fish oil you can google it I am sure. I can't seem to find the study right now.
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i think you are smoking too much crack if you think EPA will build muscle better than IGF-1.
 
pumbertot said:
i think you are smoking too much crack if you think EPA will build muscle better than IGF-1.
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ROFL I so agree...

Another comparison is r-ALA, an incredible antioxidant and nutrient partitioner on its own, but comes nowhere near what IGF-1 does for you...
 
curqleez said:
Not worht the risk. I have heard of brain tumors caused by igf.
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I have been using IGF-1 LR3 for a little over 2 weeks now. 40 mcg bilaterally immediately pw. I have had absolutely no results besides serious lethargy. I'm so damn tired it's ridiculous, no stamina or endurance whatsoever. Other than that my appetite has not changed, no fat loss, and certainly no lean mass.
 
tshaw024 said:
I have been using IGF-1 LR3 for a little over 2 weeks now. 40 mcg bilaterally immediately pw. I have had absolutely no results besides serious lethargy. I'm so damn tired it's ridiculous, no stamina or endurance whatsoever. Other than that my appetite has not changed, no fat loss, and certainly no lean mass.
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Tshaw, how is your diet? You reconned in acetic acid?

Your results are surprising considering it's been 2 weeks and you haven't seen anything. My protocol is the same as yours, and weight is up 9lbs by day 11.

I am not sure what others have experienced by week 2, but let's not forget this is a substance designed for longer-term results.

Can anyone else comment on Tshaw's lack of results thus far?
 
insulin LIKE !

Iam commenting in the reply that said random blood sugar crashes. I used humulin R and I ll have to say that I would have random blood sugar drops even days later. oral prohormones or hormones whatever like methyl one d always seemed to make it more frequent. My theory is that once the body gets used to accepting more carbs into the cell, once you get a little used to that, it seems like even when your not taking slin or IGF 1 (IVE never done it) the muscles still are able to suck up carbs like crazy and leave you depleated. I guess this is what occurs in NORMAL people like us using this stuff for gains. Ive also heard that igf 1 had some ho hum results but the r3 version guys gained alot.

Ive got about 120ius of growth, how would you incorporate igf1 r3 use with the GH? Iam plannning on doing those in between cycles of steroids.
 
Pirate Grim said:
Iam commenting in the reply that said random blood sugar crashes. I used humulin R and I ll have to say that I would have random blood sugar drops even days later. oral prohormones or hormones whatever like methyl one d always seemed to make it more frequent. My theory is that once the body gets used to accepting more carbs into the cell, once you get a little used to that, it seems like even when your not taking slin or IGF 1 (IVE never done it) the muscles still are able to suck up carbs like crazy and leave you depleated. I guess this is what occurs in NORMAL people like us using this stuff for gains. Ive also heard that igf 1 had some ho hum results but the r3 version guys gained alot.

Ive got about 120ius of growth, how would you incorporate igf1 r3 use with the GH? Iam plannning on doing those in between cycles of steroids.
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pin both immediately pwo into muscle trained along with some slin. localised growth is enhanced. receptors for all are upregulated immediately pwo.
 
papapumpsd said:
Tshaw, how is your diet? You reconned in acetic acid?

Your results are surprising considering it's been 2 weeks and you haven't seen anything. My protocol is the same as yours, and weight is up 9lbs by day 11.

I am not sure what others have experienced by week 2, but let's not forget this is a substance designed for longer-term results.

Can anyone else comment on Tshaw's lack of results thus far?
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I would opine that food intake is lacking in his case, or his product is bunk.
 
Does any one on here that has taken igf1 notice any negative feed back from it. as in it shuts down your bodys natual suply of it or it shuts you down from making hgh?
 
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