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If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

Take it somewhere else.
 
Admin said:
....which has nothing to do with thread until you conveniently brought it up. I know your post history...you spend quite a bit of energy pointing out the negatives of other companies.

If you want to talk about the future of the industry and it's legal hurdles, make a thread about it or better yet, write an article and I will make sure it gets noticed....but doing inside this thread looks....suspicious.
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Thanks for posting what I have been thinking. I really don't see why this needs to go down a path of legality and the like in this thread.
 
So how about that Folli?
Lol

Still enjoying the hell out of mine, still unsure if I want to take a break after 2 bottles
 
Geez, go away for a couple of days and end up reading 3 pages of nonsense.

But in regards to the new competing product, any successful product is going to have imitators, but I'm not seeing enough of a price difference to justify switching from something that I am using and know for sure that it works to a product that is a knock off...
 
I lift with my dad once or twice a month and after him telling me on Sat that "something was different about me, but he couldn't put his finger on it other than he thought I grew.." (lol) made me decide I will never be without.
 
I don't know what is wrong with me... I have just started Follidrone by opening one cap to take only 1/4 of it and I got a kind of headache (I have cervical arthritis so I don't know if this is related) and fatigue that lasted 2 days. I have a tendency to be very sensitive to any supplement that is why I always try to use a smaller amount... Also today, my left shoulder is painful. So what is wrong with me? Why do I have side effects with supplements that most of people don't... :-(
 
MacWanted said:
I don't know what is wrong with me... I have just started Follidrone by opening one cap to take only 1/4 of it and I got a kind of headache (I have cervical arthritis so I don't know if this is related) and fatigue that lasted 2 days. I have a tendency to be very sensitive to any supplement that is why I always try to use a smaller amount... Also today, my left shoulder is painful. So what is wrong with me? Why do I have side effects with supplements that most of people don't... :-(
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You took 1/4 of one cap of the supplement, and were tired for multiple days, and are attributing joint pain days later to that?

The placebo is strong with this one.
 
kisaj said:
I lift with my dad once or twice a month and after him telling me on Sat that "something was different about me, but he couldn't put his finger on it other than he thought I grew.." (lol) made me decide I will never be without.
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the part of the story he's not going into is how his Dad asked to try some but miserly kisaj refused
 
De__eB said:
Your empathy for MAN Sports until their board presence was dismantled, followed by your constantly down-talking the brand once you weren't getting free product from them any more make me more sympathetic towards your opinions and make me want to purchase more products you recommend.
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My apathy towards MAN began long before I quit, then their board presence disappeared.

I will have a easy time sleeping tonight knowing that you are the watchdog of the supplement industry.
 
I will vouch for Follidrone, unless that turns people off from buying it.
 
Piston Honda said:
My apathy towards MAN began long before I quit, then their board presence disappeared.

I will have a easy time sleeping tonight knowing that you are the watchdog of the supplement industry.
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Kind of hurts ones credibility to shill hard for a brand and immediately disparage them once you're off the roster.

I will have an easy time sleeping tonight, because Nimbus Abyss is a great product.
 
De__eB said:
Kind of hurts ones credibility to shill hard for a brand and immediately disparage them once you're off the roster. I will have an easy time sleeping tonight, because Nimbus Abyss is a great product.
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*yawn*
 
De__eB said:
You took 1/4 of one cap of the supplement, and were tired for multiple days, and are attributing joint pain days later to that?

The placebo is strong with this one.
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On what do you base your answer? Do you have scientific elements to share with us? My symptoms are real and I cannot imagine that a placebo effect is the cause. I did not train since the strange feeling in my head and I do not train heavy.
 
MacWanted said:
On what do you base your answer? Do you have scientific elements to share with us? My symptoms are real and I cannot imagine that a placebo effect is the cause. I did not train since the strange feeling in my head and I do not train heavy.
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all your symtoms are the complete opposite of what follidrone actually promotes. maybe you need to look at your overall health. have you tried taking follidrone again?
 
MacWanted said:
On what do you base your answer? Do you have scientific elements to share with us? My symptoms are real and I cannot imagine that a placebo effect is the cause.
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Based off guess, Follidrone contains somewhere around 200mg of (-)-epicatechin.

If you consumed 1/4 of a cap, that puts you around 50mg of epicatechin.

I do not see any record of a single case of acute toxicity from 50mg of any catechin compound anywhere in any literature.

Given the incredibly broad consumption of significant amounts of catechin compounds via numerous natural products in which they occur, it is outlandishly unlikely that you would experience multiple days of fatigue, headache, and begin experiencing shoulder pain days later from a single dose of that amount.

Side note. Why the hell would you open a capsule and take 1/4 of it?
 
MacWanted said:
I have a tendency to be very sensitive to any supplement that is why I always try to use a smaller amount... (
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[video=youtube;844DzynPG-w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=844DzynPG-w[/video]
 
De__eB said:
Based off guess, Follidrone contains somewhere around 200mg of (-)-epicatechin.

If you consumed 1/4 of a cap, that puts you around 50mg of epicatechin.

I do not see any record of a single case of acute toxicity from 50mg of any catechin compound anywhere in any literature.

Given the incredibly broad consumption of significant amounts of catechin compounds via numerous natural products in which they occur, it is outlandishly unlikely that you would experience multiple days of fatigue, headache, and begin experiencing shoulder pain days later from a single dose of that amount.

Side note. Why the hell would you open a capsule and take 1/4 of it?
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Because I am cautious.

Question to you, given the fact that most of people do not get sides from vaccin. Based on your logic, does Guillain-Barré syndrome is a placebo effect?? Rare cases can occur so why not me with Follidrone and maybe in general myostatin blockers?
 
MacWanted said:
Because I am cautious.

Question to you, given the fact that most of people do not get sides from vaccin. Based on your logic, does Guillain-Barré syndrome is a placebo effect?? Rare cases can occur so why not me with Follidrone and maybe in general myostatin blockers?
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Are you a hypochondriac?

You seem like a hypochondriac.

If 50mg of a catechin compound was enough to cause significant multi-day side effects then there would be a documented history of said effects given that epicatechin can be found in significant quantities in:

-Chocolate
-Tea
-Grapes
-Apples
-Pears
-Peaches
-Literally thousands of other things
 
MacWanted said:
I don't know what is wrong with me... I have just started Follidrone by opening one cap to take only 1/4 of it and I got a kind of headache (I have cervical arthritis so I don't know if this is related) and fatigue that lasted 2 days. I have a tendency to be very sensitive to any supplement that is why I always try to use a smaller amount... Also today, my left shoulder is painful. So what is wrong with me? Why do I have side effects with supplements that most of people don't... :-(
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HIGHLY doubt the Follidrone did this. especially at 1/8th the dose.
If anything (-)-epicatechin is anti inflammatory.
Headache and shoulder pain is likely from the pre existing condition you mentioned.
 
What the hell is going on today? All the threads I'm subbed to are riddled with the most bizarre posts I've seen in a while.
 
MacWanted said:
I don't know what is wrong with me... I have just started Follidrone by opening one cap to take only 1/4 of it and I got a kind of headache (I have cervical arthritis so I don't know if this is related) and fatigue that lasted 2 days. I have a tendency to be very sensitive to any supplement that is why I always try to use a smaller amount... Also today, my left shoulder is painful. So what is wrong with me? Why do I have side effects with supplements that most of people don't... :-(
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Well rule number 1) did you see your doc before using?
 
De__eB said:
Are you a hypochondriac?

You seem like a hypochondriac.

If 50mg of a catechin compound was enough to cause significant multi-day side effects then there would be a documented history of said effects given that epicatechin can be found in significant quantities in:

-Chocolate
-Tea
-Grapes
-Apples
-Pears
-Peaches
-Literally thousands of other things
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Not in the amount that you would get with a supplement. And I am not hypochondriac. Recently I got very dry skin with betaine anhydrous that was with other ingredients. I figure out this since after starting getting better I drunk beet juice and the dry skin was back. My skin was so dry that it was leaving by pieces. Would consider that as placebo effect also in this case?
 
brundel said:
HIGHLY doubt the Follidrone did this. especially at 1/8th the dose.
If anything (-)-epicatechin is anti inflammatory.
Headache and shoulder pain is likely from the pre existing condition you mentioned.
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Agreed but it might has exacerbated them, maybe blood flow increase. I did test my blood pressure and it was lower than usual. 10.7 instead of 12.7
 
todd muelheim said:
What the hell is going on today? All the threads I'm subbed to are riddled with the most bizarre posts I've seen in a while.
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THere are certain people who post in threads specifically just to-
-cause problems
-Make non contributing statements with nothing to do with the thread content
-Waste our time and the time of the people who have to read over 4 pages of garbage to get past their useless posts


The last 24 hours has been full of this. THere are clear contributors. Hopefully we can continue to have a good discussion regarding follidrone without more useless posts. People can see it for what it is though.
 
MacWanted said:
Agreed but it might has exacerbated them, maybe blood flow increase. I did test my blood pressure and it was lower than usual. 10.7 instead of 12.7
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Its possible vasodilation can cause headaches but its unlikely this is the cause.
Are you taking any drugs?
Not narcotics..well...I supposed narcs are bad as well but dont mention it here.
But...antidepressants.
NSAIDS? Opiate pain killers?
arthritis drugs?
 
brundel said:
Its possible vasodilation can cause headaches but its unlikely this is the cause.
Are you taking any drugs?
Not narcotics..well...I supposed narcs are bad as well but dont mention it here.
But...antidepressants.
NSAIDS? Opiate pain killers?
arthritis drugs?
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No nothing of that. Just a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis, low hemoglobin, low hdl. I am a smoker and I have 41.

I was so hopping that it would work for me when reading so many positive feedback, my bad...
 
todd muelheim said:
What the hell is going on today? All the threads I'm subbed to are riddled with the most bizarre posts I've seen in a while.
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Todd, ditto. I've noticed the same. The buzz surrounding epi[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]catechin has unleashed some low-information trolls on AM. Getting unbearable. I frequent this board because it isn't infested with adolescent clowns, which seems commonplace on the "other" board...

I ordered Follidrone (still waiting for Planetary Nutrition to deliver) as well as the new product from Aviva (NP has shipped). I will try them both over the course of the next several months and share my feedback. Will remove all confounding variables to gauge effectiveness. When I'm done, I will share my findings. By that time, hopefully the board returns to the high-quality discussions we're used to...


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Joshlm69 said:
You cant say hundreds of independent logs, majority of them orignally being skeptics, is placebo my friend, im sure when people started logging follidrone, a few of the people just wanted to see it fail to shut down all the ludicrous claims. Turns out it was all true. Have you taken follidrone yet? no. so do yourself a favour and keep your opinion to yourself until you've personally tried and tested it. Don't be a sheep
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Dont be a sheep? Isnt the consensus the Follidrone is the truth? So wouldnt a sheep be someone who believes in the hype? My post wasnt even just about follidrone, but practically EVERY product released receives rave reviews about how its the new holy grail and everyone should jump on it. And if youre honestly one of those "check the logs bro" types, then I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you too.
 
todd muelheim said:
What the hell is going on today? All the threads I'm subbed to are riddled with the most bizarre posts I've seen in a while.
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It's what happens when people have to wait for more Follidrone to arrive...idle supplement taking hands make work for the devil. Makes me glad I've never repped or started my own supp company.

Pre-ordered my 2 bottles. May run one towards the tail end of my topical trest and Dianabol cycle to see if it gives it a last minute boost, then run the second bottle during and after PCT.
 
MacWanted said:
No nothing of that. Just a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis, low hemoglobin, low hdl. I am a smoker and I have 41.

I was so hopping that it would work for me when reading so many positive feedback, my bad...
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It probably will work for you. Not at 1/8th of the dose though!
And considering you have -a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis, do you think its your pre existing condition causing the headache and pain or a product you ate 8 times less than the standard dose for. It just doesnt make any sense man.
a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis can cause headache and joint pain right?
FD cannot as far as I know.
Since you have a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis its pretty much 100% that this is the cause.
 
brundel said:
It probably will work for you. Not at 1/8th of the dose though!
And considering you have -a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis, do you think its your pre existing condition causing the headache and pain or a product you ate 8 times less than the standard dose for. It just doesnt make any sense man.
a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis can cause headache and joint pain right?
FD cannot as far as I know.
Since you have a history of ulnar nerve entrapment, arthritis its pretty much 100% that this is the cause.
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I am going to receive some cosamin (chondroitin used in studies) soon. Let see if this improves my joints before trying follidrone again
 
MacWanted said:
I am going to receive some cosamin (chondroitin used in studies) soon. Let see if this improves my joints before trying follidrone again
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Not to be a jerk but a quick glance at your post history tells quite a story...perhaps you might be better off sticking to food, hard work and rest as opposed to any supplements of any kind ever.
 
todd muelheim said:
Not to be a jerk but a quick glance at your post history tells quite a story...perhaps you might be better off sticking to food, hard work and rest as opposed to any supplements of any kind ever.
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I agree with this. MacWanted, it appears that almost every supplement you take gives you bad side effects. I'm convinced the majority are in your head.

This follows a long with this study here: Invalid Link Removed

Review of alleged reaction to monosodium glutamate and outcome of a multicenter double-blind placebo-controlled study.

Geha RS1, Beiser A, Ren C, Patterson R, Greenberger PA, Grammer LC, Ditto AM, Harris KE, Shaughnessy MA, Yarnold PR, Corren J, Saxon A.


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Abstract


Monosodium glutamate (MSG) has a long history of use in foods as a flavor enhancer. In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has classified MSG as generally recognized as safe (GRAS). Nevertheless, there is an ongoing debate exists concerning whether MSG causes any of the alleged reactions. A complex of symptoms after ingestion of a Chinese meal was first described in 1968. MSG was suggested to trigger these symptoms, which were referred to collectively as Chinese Restaurant Syndrome. Numerous reports, most of them anecdotal, were published after the original observation. Since then, clinical studies have been performed by many groups, with varying degrees of rigor in experimental design ranging from uncontrolled open challenges to double-blind, placebo controlled (DBPC) studies. Challenges in subjects who reported adverse reactions to MSG have included relatively few subjects and have failed to show significant reactions to MSG. Results of surveys and of clinical challenges with MSG in the general population reveal no evidence of untoward effects. We recently conducted a multicenter DBPC challenge study in 130 subjects (the largest to date) to analyze the response of subjects who report symptoms from ingesting MSG. The results suggest that large doses of MSG given without food may elicit more symptoms than a placebo in individuals who believe that they react adversely to MSG. However, the frequency of the responses was low and the responses reported were inconsistent and were not reproducible. The responses were not observed when MSG was given with food.

In essence, people can in fact bring upon symptoms when they have a real strong sense that a supplement can cause a particular issue even if the supplement does not or can not cause the issues. It is the wonder of the human brain.

However, as so many products seem to give you bad sides, even if they do not really exist, perhaps it is best for you to avoid supplementation.
 
I am 47 with severe arthritis in my shoulders & neck. I've been on folli for almost 2 weeks now & have no ill sides at all. As a matter of fact, today was one of my best leg days in a long time. No headaches in my head , just voices telling me to order more folli.
 
rhino67jg said:
I am 47 with severe arthritis in my shoulders & neck. I've been on folli for almost 2 weeks now & have no ill sides at all. As a matter of fact, today was one of my best leg days in a long time. No headaches in my head , just voices telling me to order more folli.
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This is likely the only time I would recommend listening to voices in your head lol.
 
I have heard that if you rub vaseline on your face prior to administration youll grow faster. You HAVE to wear it to the gym for the results to happen though.

I have not heard of anything inhibiting absorption.
 
I'm not sure what this chap is talking about, my placebo effect at 1/16 of a serving preworkout has been fantastic haha

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