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offredjo

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I would like to pick everyone’s brain as I’m doing research online but I’d rather have input from actual experienced users.

I’m 39 years old and have only done one prohormone cycle (if you would even call it that). In the past i’ve stacked 1000mg of Epiandrosterone (oral) with 450 mg of 11-kt (transdermal) for 8 weeks and I saw a great leaning/hardening effect on my body composition. I want to take it up a notch but I have never done a methylated compound before so I want people’s opinion on what to do next as well as a few questions I have...

1) I was thinking of running a Hexadrone and Epiandrosterone stack. I've been researching this but still have some questions. I've read that Hexadrone needs to be utilizing a 6-a isomer to be effective...is that true?
2) Would anyone know where I can find legit Hexadrone utilizing a 6-a isomer? If so can you pm me. I’m new to this and not sure who is reputable to buy from.
3) I would run Epiandrosterone at 900mg (each cap I have is 300mgs so I would take 3 caps a day) but I don't know what I should run Hexadrone at? Any suggestions?
4) Or would you guys suggest I go the methylated route and run Epistane with Epiandersterone instead?

My goal is to add lean muscle mass and to shed body fat. Im not at all heavy so I just want to shed a few extra lbs (maybe about 5-8lbs) and get to a learner/dryer look.
I'm still trying to learn as much as I can but google can only offer so much insight. I feel I always learn so much more here on Anabolic Minds from people who have a ton of ACTUAL experience. Thanks for any help you guys can provide.

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Hex is pretty weak, haven't read hardly any good reviews of it, and if you can even find it probably overpriced. Epi is good at high doses. There are some legit pros like DMZ and msten available. Best thing cutting is getting diet down or increasing activity to get tdee up.
 

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just have a search on all the compounds your considering and you’ll find multiple logs on most that will give you the dosages and good cycle info. Personally I liked epistane but I did run it with trest which you may not want to deal with by the sounds of it.

We do all respond differently as well so one persons experience doesn’t guarantee you’ll get the same. Just need to bear that in mind.

I’m assuming pinning test is out for you (as that would be likely the best option) so I’d look at: 1-andro (stacked with 4-Andro or 4-ad), epistane (again with something to offset lethargy), m sten, anavar, tbol
 
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I’m just going to say it because nobody else here has yet: if you use steroids, you’re going to ever increase the odds you’ll need TRT. You’re almost 40. Cycling now is going to very likely give you rather low T. Do you even know your blood values now? Cycling becomes a lifestyle that very typically ends in TRT. So if you can’t bear the thought of weekly injections forever, let me dissuade you!

And if you are fine with that, you may even already be a good candidate to receive legal doctor-supervised HRT. Some of those places can get you set up with all kinds of goodies. Some test, aromasin, get your thyroid hormones optimized. Could be worth looking into.
 

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Thanks for the advice. I’m very healthy. Got bloods done two years ago and can’t remember my levels but I remember the doctor showing me them and saying they were optimal levels and very impressive for a 37 year old (my age at the time)

Let me give everyone a little background so you guys understand why I’m asking. I’ve always been ridiculously fit being under 6% body fat. I have even been in ESPN’s 1 of 1 documentary where I was cast specifically for my physique, having them film me exercising so they could zoom in on specific muscle groups. I’ve always had an 8 pack (not 6 lol) being so lean. I’ve even competed in a strongman competition and was by far the most shredded individual competing. I’ve even been cast in some low budget movies that I was cast in specifically for my physique...Basically I’ve always taken my training and diet very seriously.

Then last September, my wife and I lost our son. It took a massive toll on me and my wife. I got depressed and stopped working out and stopped eating healthy. I found it hard to have motivation to do anything because I was struggling with our loss. I put on some weight, not much, but to someone who was always know by family and friends for his healthy lifestyle and shredded physique, it was more weight then I was accustomed too.

Only these last 2 months have I started working out and eating healthy again. I’m seeing body comp changes quicker then I thought so that got me even more motivated. I figured since I’m 39 years old and I’m not getting any younger, I would like to speed up the process a little but NOT use anything harsh or methylated if I can.

I just want to feel good about myself like I used too.
Also my wife is pregnant again so that has helped put me back in a positive mind frame. If you recommend not trying strong prohormones then I won’t. I trust this forum and was looking for advice to get myself feeling and looking back to the way I used too. I have no problem doing it the old fashion way like I have in the past. Just wanted people with more experience’s advice.
Thanks though as I love anabolic minds and how everyone is always offering help. Love this community!
 
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Thanks for the advice. I’m very healthy. Got bloods done two years ago and can’t remember my levels but I remember the doctor showing me them and saying they were optimal levels and very impressive for a 37 year old (my age at the time)

Let me give everyone a little background so you guys understand why I’m asking. I’ve always been ridiculously fit being under 6% body fat. I have even been in ESPN’s 1 of 1 documentary where I was cast specifically for my physique, having them film me exercising so they could zoom in on specific muscle groups. I’ve always had an 8 pack (not 6 lol) being so lean. I’ve even competed in a strongman competition and was by far the most shredded individual competing. I’ve even been cast in some low budget movies that I was cast in specifically for my physique...Basically I’ve always taken my training and diet very seriously.

Then last September, my wife and I lost our son. It took a massive toll on me and my wife. I got depressed and stopped working out and stopped eating healthy. I found it hard to have motivation to do anything because I was struggling with our loss. I put on some weight, not much, but to someone who was always know by family and friends for his healthy lifestyle and shredded physique, it was more weight then I was accustomed too.

Only these last 2 months have I started working out and eating healthy again. I’m seeing body comp changes quicker then I thought so that got me even more motivated. I figured since I’m 39 years old and I’m not getting any younger, I would like to speed up the process a little but NOT use anything harsh or methylated if I can.

I just want to feel good about myself like I used too.
Also my wife is pregnant again so that has helped put me back in a positive mind frame. If you recommend not trying strong prohormones then I won’t. I trust this forum and was looking for advice to get myself feeling and looking back to the way I used too. I have no problem doing it the old fashion way like I have in the past. Just wanted people with more experience’s advice.
Thanks though as I love anabolic minds and how everyone is always offering help. Love this community!
My deepest condolences for your son. To be clear, I love anabolics and am not judging your thought to use. I just want you to be educated so you understand the very real potential you may need TRT if you shut yourself down temporarily at 39.

Some supplements to be looking at that may help you slightly:

-10mg boron (lower SHBG to increase free test)
-200mg 7Keto-DHEA (will increase hunger but nice for leaning & non-suppressive)
-500-750mg Berberine (lower fasting blood glucose, improve insulin sensitivity)
-4-6g quality fish oil is also big for supporting healthy insulin sensitivity

For a temporary cutting phase, dosed 2-3x daily:
Ephedrine (12.5-25mg)
Caffeine(80-200mg)
Aspirin (81mg baby)
Yohimbine (whatever you tolerate, 2mg+)


It’s harsh on the heart, but Clenbuterol or Albuterol can be used for a short period to roast bodyfat off while sparing muscle. Clen at even 40mcg daily will start leaning me out. This would have no effect on your hormones.

If you are serious about trying exogenous androgens, dry DHT-based compounds that do not aromatize to estrogen or act on the progesterone receptors are the least suppressive. A guy doing 4-6 weeks of Epiandrosterone, 3AD, or Winstrol (in order of potency and suppression) only will have a decidedly easier time recovering than if there was any testosterone derivatives or 19-Nors involved. But it sounds like you should probably stay natural. You can accomplish your goals without a cycle.
 

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My deepest condolences for your son. To be clear, I love anabolics and am not judging your thought to use. I just want you to be educated so you understand the very real potential you may need TRT if you shut yourself down temporarily at 39.

Some supplements to be looking at that may help you slightly:

-10mg boron (lower SHBG to increase free test)
-200mg 7Keto-DHEA (will increase hunger but nice for leaning & non-suppressive)
-500-750mg Berberine (lower fasting blood glucose, improve insulin sensitivity)
-4-6g quality fish oil is also big for supporting healthy insulin sensitivity

For a temporary cutting phase, dosed 2-3x daily:
Ephedrine (12.5-25mg)
Caffeine(80-200mg)
Aspirin (81mg baby)
Yohimbine (whatever you tolerate, 2mg+)


It’s harsh on the heart, but Clenbuterol or Albuterol can be used for a short period to roast bodyfat off while sparing muscle. Clen at even 40mcg daily will start leaning me out. This would have no effect on your hormones.

If you are serious about trying exogenous androgens, dry DHT-based compounds that do not aromatize to estrogen or act on the progesterone receptors are the least suppressive. A guy doing 4-6 weeks of Epiandrosterone, 3AD, or Winstrol (in order of potency and suppression) only will have a decidedly easier time recovering than if there was any testosterone derivatives or 19-Nors involved. But it sounds like you should probably stay natural. You can accomplish your goals without a cycle.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the knowledge and advice. I still have 4 bottles of 11-kit on hand so ideally that’s what I would like to run again with the Epiandro since I saw such great results but like I said, my wife is pregnant and I don’t want to risk her absorbing some when it comes to transdermals.

I saw on line the powermyself.com has Epistane and Halodrol in stock. What is your take on those? Are they on the milder side and are they good to add to Epiandro. Also would they cause severe suppression? You definitely know your stuff so I appreciate your advice.
If you think I should stay natural then I think I might just do that. I just love learning about this stuff and seeing if they would potentially be a good fit for me considering what I am trying to achieve.

Again, I really appreciate your advice
 
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate the knowledge and advice. I still have 4 bottles of 11-kit on hand so ideally that’s what I would like to run again with the Epiandro since I saw such great results but like I said, my wife is pregnant and I don’t want to risk her absorbing some when it comes to transdermals.

I saw on line the powermyself.com has Epistane and Halodrol in stock. What is your take on those? Are they on the milder side and are they good to add to Epiandro. Also would they cause severe suppression? You definitely know your stuff so I appreciate your advice.
If you think I should stay natural then I think I might just do that. I just love learning about this stuff and seeing if they would potentially be a good fit for me considering what I am trying to achieve.

Again, I really appreciate your advice
Epistane and Halodrol are milder orals, but decidedly suppressive.

I think you should get on 200mg 7-Keto DHEA daily for 2-3 months since its non-suppressive, oral, cheap, no PCT, no sides (besides hunger), cheap, legal. Jarrow, NOW, lots of great brands. Take an ECA stack, maybe with Yohimbine, watch your diet, maybe take Epiandro strictly preWO 2-3x a week for more intense sessions for a month on then a month off and you will see a boost in leaning and gym performance no doubt. The ECA will help reduce appetite that the 7-Keto may raise.

That’s how I would do it.
 

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All you need is M-Sten (Methylstenbolone).
It adds lean muscle quickly, and it's all dry gains with zero water weight.
I've ran it 3 times all with amazing results.
It is methylated, so liver care is important. I took 1000mg of Tudca with Liv 52 and NAC and had zero liver enzyme issues.
Idk why it's not so popular haha. It's a leaner version of Superdrol
 

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All you need is M-Sten (Methylstenbolone).
It adds lean muscle quickly, and it's all dry gains with zero water weight.
I've ran it 3 times all with amazing results.
It is methylated, so liver care is important. I took 1000mg of Tudca with Liv 52 and NAC and had zero liver enzyme issues.
Idk why it's not so popular haha. It's a leaner version of Superdrol
It's extremely popular.
But given the conversation above, I'd say that Hyde's suggestion is a better fit, in this circumstance.
 

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