i am for phil

Phantom Z said:
Honest question since I've never worn your shoes, did your own flesh and blood coming out make you think "phewww that was a close one!" Seriously, Just like you said your brother didn't choose to be chastised by society it could have been you going through that just so you could follow your heart.

In regards to the subject at hand, how often has it been said hetero's with the same beliefs as Phil are, closed-minded, bigots, homo phobes, the list goes on? Why is it okay to sling negativity one direction and not the other?
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No, but then again I don't frequently find myself having those type of dumbass thoughts. See when you're not very intelligent you may have thoughts like that, but I can only imagine they would come from someone REALLY small minded. Who said someone was slinging negativity in one direction? Did you not see the part where Phil likened homosexuality to bestiality? In fact without that comment this thread wouldn't exist and the whole general chat would be better for it.

Seriously do you think when you get turned on by a woman, "I could have been gay?"

Doesn't cross my mind ever. In fact I think the whole world would be a lot better if what adults did in the bedroom was their own business. I don't care how Phil's gross looking self bangs his wife. I don't care what position they use. I don't care if he has anal sex with her (though it would be ironic, plenty of heteros do). I don't assume many people care what my fiance and I do in the bedroom? So I'm not sure why the need for his comments. I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about what penises that aren't my own are doing, maybe a lot of straight guys do? Certainly seems like a lot of straight guys who are bothered about gays guys think A LOT about other guys junk and where they are putting it.

My only question is why the obsession if you're straight with other guys junk? I just don't get it, honestly. I post on another political forum and this one straight Catholic guy constantly posts youtube videos talking about the dangers of gays. I told him once that he talked about gays way more than any gay guy I have ever met.
 
Abs: You're REALLY embarrassing yourself in this thread. I don't imagine you care, but all you're doing is hurting the side you're supposedly rooting for.
 
kingk0ng said:
Yep and they suspended him for stating his belief. Freedom of speech goes a long way anymore it seems. Let a homosexual verbally attack a Christian though, I bet the media makes nothing of it and no suspension.
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Freedom of speech is not the freedom to say whatever you want without repercussions. It is the right to avoid governmental persecutions and loss of assets from stating an opinion. Phil was not arrested or had the government take his things. Ergo his freedom of speech was not impacted.
 
Phantom Z said:
Honest question since I've never worn your shoes, did your own flesh and blood coming out make you think "phewww that was a close one!" Seriously, Just like you said your brother didn't choose to be chastised by society it could have been you going through that just so you could follow your heart. In regards to the subject at hand, how often has it been said hetero's with the same beliefs as Phil are, closed-minded, bigots, homo phobes, the list goes on? Why is it okay to sling negativity one direction and not the other?
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Because the closed-minded bigots are wrong. You can't infringed on another persons rights because you don't like it. It's like me being upset because you are doing a workout I don't like. It doesn't matter because as long as my life is not infringing on your rights, I can say do and act how I please. As long as your life is not infringing on my rights. You can do act and say whatever you want. That's why people can believe gay marriage is wrong and a man and a woman can get married in a church. It is also why people can know that a person is entitled to be able to marry whoever they want and a woman can marry a woman. The moment that has an opinion changed from I think gaY marriage is wrong to I think a law should be made to keep them from marrying, changes someone to a bigot.
 
fueledpassion said:
Living for Christ isnt a religion. Its very clear in the New Testament actually. No disrespect but It helps to know what ur talkin about. There are perpetrators in all religions and faiths. For the Christian faith, that would look like a Pharisee & Sadducees...you know, the ones who killed Jesus because of their faith. So now, you say the Christians do these hanus crimes when in fact we worship the Godman who was killed by exactly the same type of people you mentioned above. It doesnt add up because: Reality check, the majority of "christians" are not really Christians. If that were true than Mathew 7 would be incorrect and the world would be a FAR FAR better place than it is today.
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Not trying to start...but the "reality" is the Romans killed the Jesus character, not the Jews. The Jews turned him in for upsetting and attempting to alter their religious hierarchy, which would have forced some high ranking religious officials of the time a major loss of power and money.

Crucifixion was a roman punishment, not a Jewish one. AT the time in the area, Jewish capital punishment was nothing more than stoning.

I would suggest however, people really investigate the stories of the Jesus character by actually researching Mithras, Sol Invictus, and even some of the Dionysus myths. All of which predate Jesus.
 
Years back in Buffalo, a Christian shot and killed Dr Bernard Slepian for performing legal abortions. I doubt it would have happened if not for religious beliefs of the shooter. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc... They're all capable of horrific acts, solely motivated by their religious upbringing.
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If the man shot and killed someone unproved then obviously he wasn't a christian. Just because he claimed to be one doesn't mean that he was. If he was a christian, then he would have been following the word of GOD and not committed murder.
 
Geoforce said:
It's NOT a free speech case? How are people still screwing this up?

If I go to my boss tomorrow and tell him to **** off and die and I get fired my free speech has not been violated.

Phil was ALLOWED to make his comments, he did NOT go to jail. A&E was FULLY within their right to reprimand him for his behavior IF they so desired. They did, then they did not. At NO point was his freedom of speech violated or even at jeopardy. Freedom of speech does not mean say whatever you want with no repercussions.

Damn, was everyone asleep in government class?
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The fact is Phil should have been able to voice his opinion WITHOUT consequence. The fact that he was suspended for giving his honest answer to a question should not have led to a suspension. If homosexuals were offended by his comments, then don't watch the show; it's that simple. No one forced anyone to watch the television show.

The fact is that if it were reversed and christians would have been on the attack, nothing would have been done.

Freedom of speech is not the freedom to say whatever you want without repercussions. It is the right to avoid governmental persecutions and loss of assets from stating an opinion. Phil was not arrested or had the government take his things. Ergo his freedom of speech was not impacted.
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Not impacted by the government itself (yet), but A&E punished him for using his American right. It saddens me as a US Marine veteran see a man get suspended from television for using a right that I myself and many other risked their lives for.

And for the atheists posting their nonsense about us christians "reconsidering" our beliefs, don't waste your time. My belief in GOD goes far beyond your "research".

This discussion is going to get nowhere. I myself am dropping out of the never ending pointless discussion. You guys believe what you want and the rest of us will believe what we want. There's several bodybuilding and weightlifting topics to be discussed. :)
 
kingk0ng said:
The fact is Phil should have been able to voice his opinion WITHOUT consequence. The fact that he was suspended for giving his honest answer to a question should not have led to a suspension. If homosexuals were offended by his comments, then don't watch the show; it's that simple. No one forced anyone to watch the television show.

The fact is that if it were reversed and christians would have been on the attack, nothing would have been done.



Not impacted by the government itself (yet), but A&E punished him for using his American right. It saddens me as a US Marine veteran see a man get suspended from television for using a right that I myself and many other risked their lives for.

And for the atheists posting their nonsense about us christians "reconsidering" our beliefs, don't waste your time. My belief in GOD goes far beyond your "research".

This discussion is going to get nowhere. I myself am dropping out of the never ending pointless discussion. You guys believe what you want and the rest of us will believe what we want. There's several bodybuilding and weightlifting topics to be discussed. :)
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First off thank you for your service. I come from a military family myself and the debt owed to people who serve cannot ever be repaid. However, what you fought to protect was not even an issue in this regard. You did not fight for something like this. Honestly it has no bearing on freedom of speech. Absolutely 0. If my boss asks me what I think about something and I reply we should exterminate all brown haired people in the office I may be fired for that. And if I am fired my freedom of speech was NOT infringed.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you want when you want and never have to answer for it. Phil is allowed to express his opinion. He did not go to jail for it. A&E has the right as his employer to punish him for that speech if they see it fit. They did, then did not.

At NO point was freedom of speech an issue in this regard. Never, nada, zilch, zip. You are fully allowed to have the opinion that A&E was in the wrong and I won't criticize you for that. You can't be mad about his right being violated because it never was.
 
I am for Piston Honda
 
Geoforce said:
First off thank you for your service. I come from a military family myself and the debt owed to people who serve cannot ever be repaid. However, what you fought to protect was not even an issue in this regard. You did not fight for something like this. Honestly it has no bearing on freedom of speech. Absolutely 0. If my boss asks me what I think about something and I reply we should exterminate all brown haired people in the office I may be fired for that. And if I am fired my freedom of speech was NOT infringed.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you want when you want and never have to answer for it. Phil is allowed to express his opinion. He did not go to jail for it. A&E has the right as his employer to punish him for that speech if they see it fit. They did, then did not.

At NO point was freedom of speech an issue in this regard. Never, nada, zilch, zip. You are fully allowed to have the opinion that A&E was in the wrong and I won't criticize you for that. You can't be mad about his right being violated because it never was.
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OK, fair enough on the freedom of speech issue.

How's this for fair play though. Do you think the same consequences would have happened if it were the other way around and a homosexual would have verbally bashed a christian? I doubt it.
 
kingk0ng said:
OK, fair enough on the freedom of speech issue.

How's this for fair play though. Do you think the same consequences would have happened if it were the other way around and a homosexual would have verbally bashed a christian? I doubt it.
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I'm not sure. I wouldn't support it. I don't think two wrongs make a right. I don't think people would want to trade with homosexuals for how society treats them though in almost any case. Made to feel like a lesser and awful person because of who you are biologically sexually attracted to? I don't think any of us heteros would think that was very fair if homosexuality was the norm.
 
kingk0ng said:
OK, fair enough on the freedom of speech issue. How's this for fair play though. Do you think the same consequences would have happened if it were the other way around and a homosexual would have verbally bashed a christian? I doubt it.
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it isn't fair and I do not support the double standard. I'm a believer that every single person should me treated equal. The issue stems from though being a majority against a minority.
 
Geoforce said:
First off thank you for your service. I come from a military family myself and the debt owed to people who serve cannot ever be repaid.
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lol...very interesting. i may be wrong[i think it has happened once before, lol] but it appears to me that the majority of the phil supporters are guys who have served in the military, myself included....and the anti phil guys seem to be guys who chose not to serve.

not going to make any judgements here, just thought it was interesting....did you serve GEO? how about you PISTON? what about it JOSH? you guys seem to be the most ardent anti phil guys, imo.

btw-thank you for allowing me to have the opinion that A@E was in the wrong, but not sure you haven't been critical of that opinion.
 
benmayro said:
it isn't fair and I do not support the double standard. I'm a believer that every single person should me treated equal. The issue stems from though being a majority against a minority.
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this means you are not for every single person being treated equally if you assign 'special' privilege's to minoritys....
 
thebigt said:
this means you are not for every single person being treated equally if you assign 'special' privilege's to minoritys....
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I am for it. It isn't how it though. I gave my opinion and what I strive to help the world become and than I also stated how it actually is. You misinterpreted my last post. Basically Christians can get married anywhere they wanted, but can't really talk bad about homosexuals. Homosexuals can't get married everywhere, but have more leeway in the stating their opinions. Is it fair? no. Is it equal? No. Do I agree with it? No way at all. I believe everyone should he able to get married and they shouldn't talk bad about other people just because they are different than them
 
Basically I want a world that straight people don't dislike gay people just because they are gay and vice versa. Where religious and atheists do the same. And all skin colors too. Like what MLK said but expanded. Of a world, where people are not judged on the color of their skin, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, but on the content of their character. I don't give a flying f what someone is as long as they are a good person.
 
thebigt said:
lol...very interesting. i may be wrong[i think it has happened once before, lol] but it appears to me that the majority of the phil supporters are guys who have served in the military, myself included....and the anti phil guys seem to be guys who chose not to serve.

not going to make any judgements here, just thought it was interesting....did you serve GEO? how about you PISTON? what about it JOSH? you guys seem to be the most ardent anti phil guys, imo.

btw-thank you for allowing me to have the opinion that A@E was in the wrong, but not sure you haven't been critical of that opinion.
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The vast majority of the population does not to serve and let's not do a disservice to our troops by assuming they all share the type of views Phil does. Some people who serve are Republicans and some are Democrats. I should know one of my best friends was an Army Ranger and is far to the left on most issues, much more than I am (I'm libertarian on most things). Some troops are anti-gay marriage some are pro. Some are pro-choice, some are pro-life.

Of course I have been critical of that opinion bigt, Phil likened homosexuality to bestiality, one of the more cruel statements I believe someone could make. Again, he likened who people are born to love to bestiality. I can't fathom how someone could say that about a fellow human.

You don't think you have been critical of people who have an opposing opinion to Phil? You started a THREAD about it after all man. I've never said you can't voice an opinion that A&E was in the wrong, but in a thread where you started it to talk about it you seem to be shocked some people take the other side.
 
thebigt said:
lol...very interesting. i may be wrong[i think it has happened once before, lol] but it appears to me that the majority of the phil supporters are guys who have served in the military, myself included....and the anti phil guys seem to be guys who chose not to serve.

not going to make any judgements here, just thought it was interesting....did you serve GEO? how about you PISTON? what about it JOSH? you guys seem to be the most ardent anti phil guys, imo.

btw-thank you for allowing me to have the opinion that A@E was in the wrong, but not sure you haven't been critical of that opinion.
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Ad homiem

And to be clear, I am not anti phil or pro muslim or whatever strawman fallacy you decide to pull out. I am simply anti fu(ktard. His position os objectively wrong anf has an unbelievable amount of supporters who share his level of bigotry.

What I am is pro-reason. I will and have object to any orrational nonsense that is spewed especially when it is as damaging as his nonsese
 
benmayro said:
Basically I want a world that straight people don't dislike gay people just because they are gay and vice versa. Where religious and atheists do the same. And all skin colors too. Like what MLK said but expanded. Of a world, where people are not judged on the color of their skin, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, but on the content of their character. I don't give a flying f what someone is as long as they are a good person.
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Kudos to you. I can see no reason why so many people have an objection to this line of thinking.
 
thebigt said:
lol...very interesting. i may be wrong but it appears to me that the majority of the phil supporters are guys who have served in the military, myself included....and the anti phil guys seem to be guys who chose not to serve. not going to make any judgements here, just thought it was interesting....did you serve GEO? how about you PISTON? what about it JOSH? you guys seem to be the most ardent anti phil guys, imo. btw-thank you for allowing me to have the opinion that A@E was in the wrong, but not sure you haven't been critical of that opinion.
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the majority of the troops that have enlisted in the past 15 years have democratic and liberal views. The only real part of the military that is overwhelmingly republican is the older officers.
 
benmayro said:
I am for it. It isn't how it though. I gave my opinion and what I strive to help the world become and than I also stated how it actually is. You misinterpreted my last post. Basically Christians can get married anywhere they wanted, but can't really talk bad about homosexuals. Homosexuals can't get married everywhere, but have more leeway in the stating their opinions. Is it fair? no. Is it equal? No. Do I agree with it? No way at all. I believe everyone should he able to get married and they shouldn't talk bad about other people just because they are different than them
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and how do you propose to do this? you cannot legislate behavour and thought!!! people are going to think the way they are going to think regardless of what a law tells them they are suppossed to think, unless you live in a military state where you are not allowed to have thoughts or opinions.

personally i take offense at the government or anyone else for that matter trying to tell me what i am suppossed to think, i like to think for myself, no matter how misguided some might think it to be!!! if i am opposed to homosexuality as long as i am not personally doing or promoting violence then that should be my right...


btw...have you served?
 
benmayro said:
the majority of the troops that have enlisted in the past 15 years have democratic and liberal views. The only real part of the military that is overwhelmingly republican is the older officers.
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DUDE.....i am very liberal on many things!!! what makes you think you can't be liberal and be against homosexuality? don't believe everything you hear on cnn or msnbc, lol.
 
thebigt said:
DUDE.....i am very liberal on many things!!! what makes you think you can't be liberal and be against homosexuality? don't believe everything you hear on cnn or msnbc, lol.
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in many other posts i argue with many of the same guys i agree with about homosexuality....
 
JudoJosh said:
Ad homiem

And to be clear, I am not anti phil or pro muslim or whatever strawman fallacy you decide to pull out. I am simply anti fu(ktard. His position os objectively wrong anf has an unbelievable amount of supporters who share his level of bigotry.

What I am is pro-reason. I will and have object to any orrational nonsense that is spewed especially when it is as damaging as his nonsese
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just remember this, my friend...when i signed on for the military i was defending your right to call me a 'fu[ktard]' and 'bigot'....only in america!!!!


enjoy each and every one of those precious rights and privileges you chose not to sacrifice for!!!
 
thebigt said:
and how do you propose to do this? you cannot legislate behavour and thought!!! people are going to think the way they are going to think regardless of what a law tells them they are suppossed to think, unless you live in a military state where you are not allowed to have thoughts or opinions.

personally i take offense at the government or anyone else for that matter trying to tell me what i am suppossed to think, i like to think for myself, no matter how misguided some might think it to be!!! if i am opposed to homosexuality as long as i am not personally doing or promoting violence then that should be my right...

btw...have you served?
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Where is he advocating legislating that? It seems as if the only people who want to control people are those who think the government should make marriage illegal if someone happens to be gay. Why is that? Why should the government force people who are gay to be ostracized? Seems to me as if the government should stay out of those decisions.

That's all people have been saying in this thread so far. Why not leave homosexuals alone? No one says you need to like it. No one says you need to do it. No one says you can't be opposed to it. In this thread people have argued vehemently against homosexuality and then said "we can't have our opinion!?" when someone argues counter to that.

Why can't we let consenting adults do as they please? Why is it anyone else's business?

I don't think whether or not someone has served means a hill of beans in this thread and I fail to see why you bring it up. His opinion is no less valued or devalued more based on whether or not they served.
 
thebigt said:
and how do you propose to do this? you cannot legislate behavour and thought!!! people are going to think the way they are going to think regardless of what a law tells them they are suppossed to think, unless you live in a military state where you are not allowed to have thoughts or opinions. personally i take offense at the government or anyone else for that matter trying to tell me what i am suppossed to think, i like to think for myself, no matter how misguided some might think it to be!!! if i am opposed to homosexuality as long as i am not personally doing or promoting violence then that should be my right... btw...have you served?
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on a military scholarship. Full ride
 
Geoforce said:
Why can't we let consenting adults do as they please? Why is it anyone else's business?
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there have been homosexuals for as long as i have been alive, like you until recently i really gave it little thought. but the 1st time i heard that slogan....

'we're here we're queer get used to it'

was a game changer for me....like i said before i like to make my own decisions without it being thrown in my face!!! to me that was paramount to telling me what i HAD to do....

imo that slogan goes way beyond having an opinion, i find it every bit as offensive as you seem to find what phil said!!!
 
benmayro said:
on a military scholarship. Full ride
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wait until service is completed, then we will talk...you have to pay your dues and do your time to be included....


west point? annapolis?
 
thebigt said:
wait until service is completed, then we will talk...you have to pay your dues and do your time to be included.... west point? annapolis?
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I prefer to keep that private.
 
I think for the most part everyone should just agree to disagree. This thread has been 22 pages and neither party seems to be giving in.

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thebigt said:
there have been homosexuals for as long as i have been alive, like you until recently i really gave it little thought. but the 1st time i heard that slogan....

'we're here we're queer get used to it'

was a game changer for me....like i said before i like to make my own decisions without it being thrown in my face!!! to me that was paramount to telling me what i HAD to do....

imo that slogan goes way beyond having an opinion, i find it every bit as offensive as you seem to find what phil said!!!
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Similar to how people say if I don't believe I will burn in hell for eternity? How long has that been "thrown" in people's faces? I have tried to point out what I think is a clear double standard at times in this thread. I don't know how often it has been heard, but I have tried to present it.

Gay people have been around for forever. If society treated them as valued individuals that slogan would never exist. You want people to stop talking about gays? Have people like Phil shut up about it. When you have equality you don't have to hear about inequality.
 
thebigt said:
lol...very interesting. i may be wrong but it appears to me that the majority of the phil supporters are guys who have served in the military, myself included....and the anti phil guys seem to be guys who chose not to serve.

not going to make any judgements here, just thought it was interesting....did you serve GEO? how about you PISTON? what about it JOSH? you guys seem to be the most ardent anti phil guys, imo.

btw-thank you for allowing me to have the opinion that A@E was in the wrong, but not sure you haven't been critical of that opinion.
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Just throwing this out there, I am not for Phil. Before this thread happened, I didn't even know who he was.


I'm not sure what your obsession with serving or not serving is, are their opinions worth less than yours because you served and they didn't? I would say no. We are all Americans, and we are all people, so not one of us has any opinion that is greater (or lesser) than anyone else's.

That type of thinking is what started every type of discrimination.


Personally, I agree with most of what Ben/Josh/Geo have said. I don't personally understand homosexuality, and I choose to not involve myself with homosexuals (it creeps me out). But, for the most part, I don't care what they do, it's their life.
 
jimbuick said:
Just throwing this out there, I am not for Phil. Before this thread happened, I didn't even know who he was.


I'm not sure what your obsession with serving or not serving is, are their opinions worth less than yours because you served and they didn't? I would say no. We are all Americans, and we are all people, so not one of us has any opinion that is greater (or lesser) than anyone else's.

That type of thinking is what started every type of discrimination.


Personally, I agree with most of what Ben/Josh/Geo have said. I don't personally understand homosexuality, and I choose to not involve myself with homosexuals (it creeps me out). But, for the most part, I don't care what they do, it's their life.
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ok...we disagree, not the 1st time and very sure it won't be the last....thanks for posting!!!
 
thebigt said:
just remember this, my friend...when i signed on for the military i was defending your right to call me a 'fu[ktard]' and 'bigot'....only in america!!!!


enjoy each and every one of those precious rights and privileges you chose not to sacrifice for!!!
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I dont understand.. Did I once belittle the military or the sacrifices those that serve has made? Hell, did I even bring it up at all? This is another one of your strawman. It is irrelevant to the topic of discussion here. Unless your position is that individuals who serve are immune for criticism?
 
happy happy happy

looking forward to the start of season 5 of duck dynasty tomorrow night, phil is featured prominently in the show!!!

objective of thread has been accomplished...big thanks to everyone who participated in thread, rather we agreed or not it was very interesting. differences of opinions are bound to happen in life, but in the end we are all mere humans regardless of beliefs or opinions....
 
I served and I am not for Phil nor his beliefs. I know many of my fellow brothers that have served have the same views as I do. I still don't understand the correlation you're trying to make T.

Also, am I the only one who found it ludicrous to compare Christians being anti-homosexual to a homosexual who might be anti-Christian?! A homosexual who might be anti-Christian would be questioning your beliefs et al.......A Christian who is anti-homosexual is, in essence, questioning a homosexual's very existence. Being gay isn't a belief anymore than being black or blonde or Irish or Italian is.
 
Geoforce said:
No, but then again I don't frequently find myself having those type of dumbass thoughts. See when you're not very intelligent you may have thoughts like that, but I can only imagine they would come from someone REALLY small minded. Who said someone was slinging negativity in one direction? Did you not see the part where Phil likened homosexuality to bestiality? In fact without that comment this thread wouldn't exist and the whole general chat would be better for it.

Seriously do you think when you get turned on by a woman, "I could have been gay?"

Doesn't cross my mind ever. In fact I think the whole world would be a lot better if what adults did in the bedroom was their own business. I don't care how Phil's gross looking self bangs his wife. I don't care what position they use. I don't care if he has anal sex with her (though it would be ironic, plenty of heteros do). I don't assume many people care what my fiance and I do in the bedroom? So I'm not sure why the need for his comments. I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about what penises that aren't my own are doing, maybe a lot of straight guys do? Certainly seems like a lot of straight guys who are bothered about gays guys think A LOT about other guys junk and where they are putting it.

My only question is why the obsession if you're straight with other guys junk? I just don't get it, honestly. I post on another political forum and this one straight Catholic guy constantly posts youtube videos talking about the dangers of gays. I told him once that he talked about gays way more than any gay guy I have ever met.
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the main problem is the forced acceptance that they are trying to achieve.. many, many, many people do not think it is a normal sexual behavior, do not want it promoted to their children as a normal alternative lifestyle, do not want their tax money being used to pay for same sex medical benefits, pensions etc.., do not want to see this crap on tv of two guys kissing, do not want their churches to be forced to change religious doctrine, do not believe marriage is for same sex deviants, do not want same sex marriage recognized as valid, do not want to be condemned as biggots or haters when the disgusting unnatural actions they are opposing serve no place in a normal society and most of all do not want special protected classes being legislated to try and legitimize and give preferential treatment to an unhealthy, abominable lifestyle.
 
AE14 said:
Not trying to start...but the "reality" is the Romans killed the Jesus character, not the Jews. The Jews turned him in for upsetting and attempting to alter their religious hierarchy, which would have forced some high ranking religious officials of the time a major loss of power and money.

Crucifixion was a roman punishment, not a Jewish one. AT the time in the area, Jewish capital punishment was nothing more than stoning.

I would suggest however, people really investigate the stories of the Jesus character by actually researching Mithras, Sol Invictus, and even some of the Dionysus myths. All of which predate Jesus.
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correct, they would have brought him before the sanheidren and stoned him to death for religious law violations if any, however the story reads the jews brought him to the romans to be killed for exciting a riot/revolt, which was going on at the time with the Zealots / Sicarii. So.... they still are responsible for his execution since they were given a choice by Pilot to free him and they refused, remember Pilot washed his hands of death and was just trying to quell an angry mob of jews demanding Yahshua's blood, if we are to take the story on its literal reading.
 
abs322 said:
the main problem is the forced acceptance that they are trying to achieve.. many, many, many people do not think it is a normal sexual behavior, do not want it promoted to their children as a normal alternative lifestyle, do not want their tax money being used to pay for same sex medical benefits, pensions etc.., do not want to see this crap on tv of two guys kissing, do not want their churches to be forced to change religious doctrine, do not believe marriage is for same sex deviants, do not want same sex marriage recognized as valid, do not want to be condemned as biggots or haters when the disgusting unnatural actions they are opposing serve no place in a normal society and most of all do not want special protected classes being legislated to try and legitimize and give preferential treatment to an unhealthy, abominable lifestyle.
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Forced acceptance? Or equality of opportunity? My brother is gay. I know him very well. How many gay people do you know well? Why not? Are you afraid of them? Racists are afraid, sexists are afraid, BIGOTS are scared. They are scared of people who are different than them. It sounds like you are scared. From the images you posted it seems like you're scared of something different. You're the one who had to post the sexual images in this thread. You're the one who lacked the maturity to discuss something without resorting to that. You're the one who came off as juvenile.

If you meet and hangout with some gay people see if they try and force you to be gay. See if that happens. Because I know multiple gay people and they are going to my wedding. They didn't force me to be gay. They don't care if I'm gay. They don't care if you're gay. They don't care if you like what they do. They just want the same opportunity as you have.

Why do you want SOME people to have an opportunity and some people not to? Why is that? Explain it to me please. Why am I allowed to get married in a church in Eureka Springs Arkansas in a few months and my brother is not allowed to get married in that entire state? Why? What did HE do wrong? Why is he less than you? Because I can tell from reading your posts he is a MUCH more enlightened individual and intelligent individual than you are at this moment. He makes more money than you I bet. He helps out others MORE than you do I bet. He helps them out far more than me. He's constantly donating and volunteering. bigT brought up soldiers? We are a military family I said. My brother sends care packages and donates for military families ALL THE TIME. I don't do a very good job at either of those. This is anabolic MINDS. Have you ever thought YOU may be the problem? Have you ever wanted to change something about you? I want to be bigger, stronger, leaner. I also want to be more intelligent. It's why I'm here. Why are you here?

I don't want whatever church you go to to not pay taxes and they don't. They are tax exempt. I believe they are breeding hate at your church and I don't think they should be tax exempt hate breeding grounds. Same thing as Westboro Baptist Church. We fund a lot of things I disagree with, deal with it. Are you ok with females getting pensions? How about blacks? At some point that wasn't ok either.

Society changed. It's changing again. It's changing for the better. It's a crying shame you can't see that. Most unintelligent people STRUGGLE to recognize that. You don't have to accept it. They just want the same opportunities. You don't want to see two guys kiss change the ****ing channel dumbass. You don't want to see two gay guys get married don't go to the wedding of them. How many people would argue blacks should still be slaves? How many argue women shouldn't be allowed to hold power positions? At one point these were normal for a society. Things change. We PROGRESS. Only the most unintelligent backwater dumbasses are still against the things I mentioned. Surely you wouldn't want to be associated with them. I'm a rural guy from a rural area living in a rural area. I certainly am not racist or sexist. I'm not homophobic either. Get with the times. This ain't the 1914, it's 2014.

IT DOESN'T EFFECT YOUR LIFE. AT ALL. PERIOD FLAT. You just want to pretend it does so you can hate someone based on how they were biologically born to be. Whatever happened to respect for your fellow humans?
 
after a watch on the new ducks dynasty and I think saw t in the program
 
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