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i am for phil

This thread is still goin.

Is the issue that Phil (and many more of us) have some sort of hate or discrimination against homosexuals? Or could it be that a large part of our society has a problem with people that disagree with their own belief on the subject?

Phil doesnt hate gays, he said quite the opposite and since none of us have personally seen him relate to them one on one, who's to say he doesnt love them?

I also dont agree with sexual immorality, or crippling drug abuse, or lying, cheating, divorce etc...but does that mean I hate all others that do? Absolutely NOT! I'm an offender of these from time to time as well, while I dont live in or or find peace in that lifestyle, I myself have committed such things so how could I hate or look down on others for it?!

Why r we arguing over this? The outcry should be in the hypocrisy of our society. People expect us Christians to embrace their values and beliefs, compromising our own? How is this even fair that we shouldnt have our own opinion about things? Is my belief that loving others despite their wrongdoings, giving them full acceptance, a bad thing for our society? The way I see it, Phil has a belief, and others r outcrying at his belief, condemning him for it despite the fact that his belief poses no threat to society and breaks no law. Sounds like a form of oppression if u ask me..

And I agree with everything KingKong said just now, not that my opinion even matters.
 
fueledpassion said:
This thread is still goin.

Is the issue that Phil (and many more of us) have some sort of hate or discrimination against homosexuals? Or could it be that a large part of our society has a problem with people that disagree with their own belief on the subject?

Phil doesnt hate gays, he said quite the opposite and since none of us have personally seen him relate to them one on one, who's to say he doesnt love them?

I also dont agree with sexual immorality, or crippling drug abuse, or lying, cheating, divorce etc...but does that mean I hate all others that do? Absolutely NOT! I'm an offender of these from time to time as well, while I dont live in or or find peace in that lifestyle, I myself have committed such things so how could I hate or look down on others for it?!

Why r we arguing over this? The outcry should be in the hypocrisy of our society. People expect us Christians to embrace their values and beliefs, compromising our own? How is this even fair that we shouldnt have our own opinion about things? Is my belief that loving others despite their wrongdoings, giving them full acceptance, a bad thing for our society? The way I see it, Phil has a belief, and others r outcrying at his belief, condemning him for it despite the fact that his belief poses no threat to society and breaks no law. Sounds like a form of oppression if u ask me..
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Very wise words and I agree 100% with this post.
 
What I don't understand is, to me sexuality is a private matter therefore why is it necessary to be outspoken about which team your batting for?

All the marches and bumper stickers almost makes me think less of the homosexual part of our society not because of ther choices but how they portray those choices just to show they are different.
 
Phantom Z said:
What I don't understand is, to me sexuality is a private matter therefore why is it necessary to be outspoken about which team your batting for?

All the marches and bumper stickers almost makes me think less of the homosexual part of our society not because of ther choices but how they portray those choices just to show they are different.
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Fair point. I dont recall the entire interview w/ Phil but didnt they ask him?
 
fueledpassion said:
Fair point. I dont recall the entire interview w/ Phil but didnt they ask him?
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Yep and they suspended him for stating his belief. Freedom of speech goes a long way anymore it seems.

Let a homosexual verbally attack a Christian though, I bet the media makes nothing of it and no suspension.
 
kingk0ng said:
Yep and they suspended him for stating his belief. Freedom of speech goes a long way anymore it seems.

Let a homosexual verbally attack a Christian though, I bet the media makes nothing of it and no suspension.
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you notice that it is only christian beliefs that are under attack....islam says that homosexuality is punishable by death, but they don't have the balls to go after islam....i think these pro-gayers know that christians are an easy target, if they really wanted to do something let them go on islamic websites and call them bigots and homophobes....it aint goin happen!!!!
 
They're just as despicable in my eyes
 
Piston Honda said:
They're just as despicable in my eyes
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then you need to tell them that!!!

i want to see you on the news protesting treatment of women and gays, holding a big sign....OUTSIDE A MOSQUE!!!


i don't really want to see that piston...i have too much LOVE for you to see you get blown up!!!
 
I only have so much time in the day
 
Years back in Buffalo, a Christian shot and killed Dr Bernard Slepian for performing legal abortions. I doubt it would have happened if not for religious beliefs of the shooter. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc... They're all capable of horrific acts, solely motivated by their religious upbringing.
 
Touey said:
""You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them. But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it."

"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

Such confidence we have through Christ before God. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

You want to know who God is then read what Christ had to say. He is the New Covenant - the Old (covenant) Testament is no longer valid. So do not reference it.

Homosexuality, adultery, murder, stealing, envy, gluteny are all sin and seperate us from God. Christ offers all of us sinners reconcilliation with God.

When people who don't know the bible use the bible to invalidate the bible it is quite silly.

Sadly most have no idea of what faith is because it is counter-intellectual and counter-logical/reasonable and therefore they reject it. Sadly far too many very intelligent people are victims of themselves. They have great intellectual capacity to define and metaphore what a paradox principle is yet are completely and hopelessly powerless to live by it.

Inserting religion and mythology into a faith discussion is foolish. Discussing faith with someone who has no idea what faith is or how to practice it is equally foolish.

"Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become fools so that you may become wise."

I have absolutely the same proof you do. None. But "the substance of things hoped for by the evidence of the unseen" have been abundant in my life. "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." It does not say mind, logic, reason or any other faculty. All of those faculties contradict time after time after time. I cannot find Him on my terms.


My God is a creator and nurturer - He created me perfectly and nurtures esteem just as your father should. Do you have a son or daughter whom your brought into the world whom you tell "you are my second or third most greatest". No. That would be counter instinctive and counter productive.


Blaming sin for the absence of a God is naive.

As far as alien life - my faith and knowledge of my God does not cause me to become ignorant nor do I dismiss that there may very well be other life in this vast universe that God created. Alien by definition means foreign. It does not mean that my same creator did not also create them and nurture them just as he has me.

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known."---All posts made by David Dunn



humanities ever changing perceptions for right pale when without Light they trod along upon journey of gift called life
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thebigt said:
if i understand you right, you are saying that if YOU thought homosexuality was wrong you would be speaking out AGAINST it louder than anyone?



and i would like to believe i would have stood up for the jews in hitlers nazi germany...talk is cheap!!! it is easy to say what you might have done, since we will never know!!!

remember my friend, the older generations are what made this country great, i would not be so eager to put them down...and i am including blacks, asians, latinos and women in that....also to be honest i am sure a fair amount of homosexuals played a role in the greatness of this country, but to say this current crop of youngsters are better than previous generations is horsecrap!!! i don't believe that YOU even believe that nonsense!!!!
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thebigt said:
do you even have a clue? phil goes on to say that even though he doesn't understand homosexuality, and his core belief tells him it is wrong...that we should love them anyways....quit hating on phil, it seems you are the one without any love...STOP HATING!!!!

if phil can have love for homosexuals, why can't you have some love for phil?
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thebigt said:
i grew up poor in a mixed race urban neighborhood, we had blacks/whites/latinos, and a few asains...the one thing we ALL agreed on was that homosexuality was wrong, no one i knew growing up thought it was acceptable...it's just the way it was!!!

to our credit many of us are much more tolerable now than then, we are making an effort to be more understanding...but i can't speak for anyone else, all i can say is it is hard to change the way you have thought about something your entire life!!!
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kingk0ng said:
I tried not to get involved in this argument, but since I posted in the thread earlier I keep receiving notifications and can't help but read some of what is being posted. I'll continue my silence, but to this quoted post above, thank you.

I agree 100% with Phil Robinson on his statement, but Christian beliefs, as always, are tossed around by nonbelievers to make us appear that we wish to sacrifice homosexuals, because our bibles tells us it is wrong.

I do not hate homosexuals, as GOD commanded us all to love one another as he has loved us, but it is wrong in his eyes; therefore, I will not stand for it and say "it's right". The bible teaches us to love the sinner, but hate the sin; just because we don't agree with being gay doesn't mean we hate homosexuals.

I think the best approach here on this matter is for you all to agree to disagree. I mean this argument will change absolutely nothing, so in a way it is kind of pointless. Just my thoughts. :)



Young man please do not change your lifelong beliefs to impress some random people on the internet. Stand tall in your faith, just as Phil has. Even Jesus Christ himself was criticized for standing for what was right; why would any of us be treated any differently in standing on his word?
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fueledpassion said:
This thread is still goin.

Is the issue that Phil (and many more of us) have some sort of hate or discrimination against homosexuals? Or could it be that a large part of our society has a problem with people that disagree with their own belief on the subject?

Phil doesnt hate gays, he said quite the opposite and since none of us have personally seen him relate to them one on one, who's to say he doesnt love them?

I also dont agree with sexual immorality, or crippling drug abuse, or lying, cheating, divorce etc...but does that mean I hate all others that do? Absolutely NOT! I'm an offender of these from time to time as well, while I dont live in or or find peace in that lifestyle, I myself have committed such things so how could I hate or look down on others for it?!

Why r we arguing over this? The outcry should be in the hypocrisy of our society. People expect us Christians to embrace their values and beliefs, compromising our own? How is this even fair that we shouldnt have our own opinion about things? Is my belief that loving others despite their wrongdoings, giving them full acceptance, a bad thing for our society? The way I see it, Phil has a belief, and others r outcrying at his belief, condemning him for it despite the fact that his belief poses no threat to society and breaks no law. Sounds like a form of oppression if u ask me..

And I agree with everything KingKong said just now, not that my opinion even matters.
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kingk0ng said:
Very wise words and I agree 100% with this post.
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fueledpassion said:
Fair point. I dont recall the entire interview w/ Phil but didnt they ask him?
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kingk0ng said:
Yep and they suspended him for stating his belief. Freedom of speech goes a long way anymore it seems.

Let a homosexual verbally attack a Christian though, I bet the media makes nothing of it and no suspension.
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thebigt said:
you notice that it is only christian beliefs that are under attack....islam says that homosexuality is punishable by death, but they don't have the balls to go after islam....i think these pro-gayers know that christians are an easy target, if they really wanted to do something let them go on islamic websites and call them bigots and homophobes....it aint goin happen!!!!
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Piston Honda said:
They're just as despicable in my eyes
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Touey said:
believe none of what the eye may see they are asunder as day is to night
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you know Honda everyone here have love for you why else you think we take the time..


"I mean this argument will change absolutely nothing, so in a way it is kind of pointless. Just my thoughts." - who knows my friend Who knows
 
Piston Honda said:
I only have so much time in the day
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that is good...you don't want to mess with muslims....much better [AND SAFER] for you to just mess with us christians, lol....muslims might put a jihad on ya!!!
 
Piston Honda said:
Years back in Buffalo, a Christian shot and killed Dr Bernard Slepian for performing legal abortions. I doubt it would have happened if not for religious beliefs of the shooter. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc... They're all capable of horrific acts, solely motivated by their religious upbringing.
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some:
governments do dispicable things....lawyers do dispicable things...doctors do dispicable things...police do dispicable things...yes, even school teachers do dispicable things...

point being there are bad apples in every walk of life!!!

in the NAME of religion should not be confused with religion....in the course of history i would think that many people have done many horrific acts in the name of religion that GOD is not very happy with!!!!!!!!!
 
kingk0ng said:
Yep and they suspended him for stating his belief. Freedom of speech goes a long way anymore it seems.

Let a homosexual verbally attack a Christian though, I bet the media makes nothing of it and no suspension.
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The media will look "deeper" to find out what the Christian did to provoke the homosexual to verbally attack.
 
Phantom Z said:
The media will look "deeper" to find out what the Christian did to provoke the homosexual to verbally attack.
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the media much of today is driven out of ideology and acceptance among whom they seek acceptance and greed
 
kingk0ng said:
Yep and they suspended him for stating his belief. Freedom of speech goes a long way anymore it seems.

Let a homosexual verbally attack a Christian though, I bet the media makes nothing of it and no suspension.
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It's NOT a free speech case? How are people still screwing this up?

If I go to my boss tomorrow and tell him to **** off and die and I get fired my free speech has not been violated.

Phil was ALLOWED to make his comments, he did NOT go to jail. A&E was FULLY within their right to reprimand him for his behavior IF they so desired. They did, then they did not. At NO point was his freedom of speech violated or even at jeopardy. Freedom of speech does not mean say whatever you want with no repercussions.

Damn, was everyone asleep in government class?
 
thebigt said:
if i understand you right, you are saying that if YOU thought homosexuality was wrong you would be speaking out AGAINST it louder than anyone?



and i would like to believe i would have stood up for the jews in hitlers nazi germany...talk is cheap!!! it is easy to say what you might have done, since we will never know!!!

remember my friend, the older generations are what made this country great, i would not be so eager to put them down...and i am including blacks, asians, latinos and women in that....also to be honest i am sure a fair amount of homosexuals played a role in the greatness of this country, but to say this current crop of youngsters are better than previous generations is horsecrap!!! i don't believe that YOU even believe that nonsense!!!!
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I think being more accepting of people is a positive and not a negative. Our greatest ancestors were racists and sexists. I'm not saying they didn't do great things, I'm not saying they were awful people. I'm not saying they ALL felt this way.

We are more accepting than they are and that is a positive. Minorities, women, all have opportunities that no one would have dreamed possible back then. The current generation is more accepting of people who are different from than than any other generation. That is an absolutely tremendous thing for society.
 
Geoforce said:
It's NOT a free speech case? How are people still screwing this up?
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please do not take this personally it is only has anyone ever noticed when the Gospel gets a little close to home others are willing to go back forth side to stepping afoot to backfoot sally anything just change the subject!!
 
Touey said:
please do not take this personally it is only has anyone ever noticed when the Gospel gets a little close to home others are willing to go back forth side to stepping afoot anything jus change the subject!!
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The gospel never hits close to home with me, I don't believe in it. I was exposed as a youth, it doesn't make rational sense as an adult and I don't believe. I could care less if someone comes to a different conclusion to me. Arguing about religion is absolutely pointless. No one will become or not become a believer based off something they read on an internet forum.

I wasn't trying to change the subject. Just don't call things a free speech issue when they aren't a free speech issue. At NO point was his freedom of speech in question. Freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want whenever you want and their will be no consequences for what you choose to say. It wasn't even INTENDED to say that.
 
Geoforce said:
The gospel never hits close to home with me, I don't believe in it. I was exposed as a youth, it doesn't make rational sense as an adult and I don't believe. I could care less if someone comes to a different conclusion to me. Arguing about religion is absolutely pointless. No one will become or not become a believer based off something they read on an internet forum.
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you belittle internet forum why.. I have seen people tell thing they would not to spouse nor closet friend.. the forum matters not the form matters not the Truth matters much
 
Piston Honda said:
Years back in Buffalo, a Christian shot and killed Dr Bernard Slepian for performing legal abortions. I doubt it would have happened if not for religious beliefs of the shooter. Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc... They're all capable of horrific acts, solely motivated by their religious upbringing.
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Living for Christ isnt a religion. Its very clear in the New Testament actually. No disrespect but It helps to know what ur talkin about. There are perpetrators in all religions and faiths. For the Christian faith, that would look like a Pharisee & Sadducees...you know, the ones who killed Jesus because of their faith. So now, you say the Christians do these hanus crimes when in fact we worship the Godman who was killed by exactly the same type of people you mentioned above. It doesnt add up because:

Reality check, the majority of "christians" are not really Christians. If that were true than Mathew 7 would be incorrect and the world would be a FAR FAR better place than it is today.
 
Touey said:
you belittle internet forum why.. I have seen people tell thing they would not to spouse nor closet friend.. the forum matters not the form matters not the Truth matters much
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I wasn't belittling the forum. Merely religious debates take place all over the internet. How many believers in here will change how they feel based on what an agnostic like me posts? How many atheists will change based on what Muslim posts? A Christian? It's TRULY a fruitless pursuit to argue about religion on here.
 
kingk0ng said:
Young man please do not change your lifelong beliefs to impress some random people on the internet. Stand tall in your faith...
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Geoforce said:
It's TRULY a fruitless pursuit to argue about religion on here.
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Nope not "a fruitless pursuit" when hearts of men seek to help fellow man
 
Geoforce said:
I think being more accepting of people is a positive and not a negative. Our greatest ancestors were racists and sexists. I'm not saying they didn't do great things, I'm not saying they were awful people. I'm not saying they ALL felt this way.

We are more accepting than they are and that is a positive. Minorities, women, all have opportunities that no one would have dreamed possible back then. The current generation is more accepting of people who are different from than than any other generation. That is an absolutely tremendous thing for society.
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dude...why do you think minorities and women have the opportunities they have today? it isn't because of anything todays generation has done...it was because of my generation and preceeding generation marched and picketed and made a stand for equality. look at civil rights marches in 60's and 70's and you will see many whites there in solidarity for HUMAN rights for all....you make my generation out to be scumbags, but instead of talking about it we actually did something about it!!! the 70's, my generation was the generation of gloria stienem and betty friedan how is that for advancing womens rights...we threw out a president for bad behavour..we stopped a war, and preached 'make love not war'...ever hear of a little party called woodstock...plus the best music of all time came out of my generation, todays generation has justin bieber...win goes to 'my generation' as the who would say!!!

WOW....you really DON'T have a clue...my generation was the most liberal generation EVER. and most of us still thought homosexuality was deviant behavour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace brother!!!
 
thebigt said:
do you even have a clue? phil goes on to say that even though he doesn't understand homosexuality, and his core belief tells him it is wrong...that we should love them anyways....quit hating on phil, it seems you are the one without any love...STOP HATING!!!!

if phil can have love for homosexuals, why can't you have some love for phil?
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Love for Phil? Are you being serious here?

9 years ago my older brother came out as gay to our family. He's a highly respected professor and soon to be book author. He has numerous articles and is at the top of his field in his research. Highly successful. He also would drop ANYTHING at a hat to help out a member of society. He volunteers, donates his money to charity, and can probably deadlift more than most of the people on this form (yes he's an avid lifter). I hadn't thought a whole lot about gays when I was 20 years old, but when a member of your family tells you this you start to think about it a bit.

He didn't choose to be gay. You think he would choose to be ostracized, belittled, and made to feel like a lesser person because of who he was sexually attracted to? Who would pick that?! He was born gay. He couldn't control. He dated girls and didn't feel anything. Did any of us choose to be straight? I certainly didn't. Like Phil a woman's vagina makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than a man's anus. We completely agree there. Not an ounce of my being has ever been remotely attracted to a male, but like I said I didn't choose that, it's how I'm wired.

My older brother is in a committed faithful relationship for the last 8 years. How many people can say that? How many heterosexuals? To compare their love to bestiality honestly makes me quite pissed off. I can think of few things as truly awful to say as that. Phil is part of a subset of people who think a creator created my brother as gay and because of this he will be tortured eternally in a lake of fire. Forever. Lake of fire, forever. For the way he was born. For who he loved.

Phil is a rich guy who had a great idea. He became more rich when a TV network decided to put his family on TV and help script half of what they say. Simply because Phil backtracked at the end doesn't make up for that comment and what he likely believes. Forgive me for not having any love for Phil. If he hadn't had to make his feelings on homosexuals known I wouldn't have had to make my feelings on him known (in fact I had no feelings on him).
 
thebigt said:
dude...why do you think minorities and women have the opportunities they have today? it isn't because of anything todays generation has done...it was because of my generation and preceeding generation marched and picketed and made a stand for equality. look at civil rights marches in 60's and 70's and you will see many whites there in solidarity for HUMAN rights for all....you make my generation out to be scumbags, but instead of talking about it we actually did something about it!!! the 70's, my generation was the generation of gloria stienem and betty friedan how is that for advancing womens rights...we threw out a president for bad behavour..we stopped a war, and preached 'make love not war'...ever hear of a little party called woodstock...plus the best music of all time came out of my generation, todays generation has justin bieber...win goes to 'my generation' as the who would say!!!

WOW....you really DON'T have a clue...my generation was the most liberal generation EVER. and most of us still thought homosexuality was deviant behavour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace brother!!!
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You're REALLY not following my posts. Where did I say it was because of this generation? I simply said they are more accepting than ever. I never gave them credit for the civil rights movement. I even said our generation is more accepting than our ancestors.

Before you post again saying I don't have a clue please try and read a little more carefully. No offense, but you are strawmanning the **** out of me big t :)
 
Geoforce said:
I think being more accepting of people is a positive and not a negative. Our greatest ancestors were racists and sexists. I'm not saying they didn't do great things, I'm not saying they were awful people. I'm not saying they ALL felt this way.

We are more accepting than they are and that is a positive. Minorities, women, all have opportunities that no one would have dreamed possible back then. The current generation is more accepting of people who are different from than than any other generation. That is an absolutely tremendous thing for society.
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i said you don't have a clue because you said this generation is more accepting than mine was...it is easy to be accepting today, hell that is what kids today are told to be....my generation bucked the system and laid the groundwork for todays acceptance. we rewote the gamebook!!!

i am happy you are proud of your brother....and i would hope you would still love him no matter what!!!

if my son had told me he was gay, i would have been very disappointed and tried to convince him otherwise...i would still love every single ounce of his very being, and would give my life for his...but i would still believe that being gay is wrong!!!! i can accept the fact that someone is gay, but i will never accept the thinking that it is a good thing!!!!
 
look honda geo touey get it you know my brother he just told touey today he having his third child I love my brother more then i may even say on some forum but you know what God loves us all more than we may fathom for our brothers
 
thebigt said:
if my son had told me he was gay, i would have been very disappointed and tried to convince him otherwise...i would still love every single ounce of his very being, and would give my life for his...but i would still believe that being gay is wrong!!!! i can accept the fact that someone is gay, but i will never accept the thinking that it is a good thing!!!!
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You may be surprised how that might change you. Look at people like Dick Cheney, Rob Portman, etc for how beliefs can change when someone finds out a loved one is gay. I'm happy that you would love your son and though you will probably never have an idea how you would react (most of us won't), I'm willing to bet you may even change how you viewed it....we will likely never know though.
 
Geoforce said:
when a member of your family tells you this you start to think about it a bit.
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Honest question since I've never worn your shoes, did your own flesh and blood coming out make you think "phewww that was a close one!" Seriously, Just like you said your brother didn't choose to be chastised by society it could have been you going through that just so you could follow your heart.

In regards to the subject at hand, how often has it been said hetero's with the same beliefs as Phil are, closed-minded, bigots, homo phobes, the list goes on? Why is it okay to sling negativity one direction and not the other?
 
Phantom Z said:
Honest question since I've never worn your shoes, did your own flesh and blood coming out make you think "phewww that was a close one!" Seriously, Just like you said your brother didn't choose to be chastised by society it could have been you going through that just so you could follow your heart.

In regards to the subject at hand, how often has it been said hetero's with the same beliefs as Phil are, closed-minded, bigots, homo phobes, the list goes on? Why is it okay to sling negativity one direction and not the other?
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slinging negativity is wrong
 
Geoforce said:
You may be surprised how that might change you. Look at people like Dick Cheney, Rob Portman, etc for how beliefs can change when someone finds out a loved one is gay. I'm happy that you would love your son and though you will probably never have an idea how you would react (most of us won't), I'm willing to bet you may even change how you viewed it....we will likely never know though.
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i am very happy the way things turned out, my daughter in law is expecting their 2nd child in april...happy happy happy
 
thebigt said:
i am very happy the way things turned out, my daughter in law is expecting their 2nd child in april...happy happy happy
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I am happy for this gift it is truly a gift from God
 
Ugh.. this thread hurts my head.
 
thebigt said:
but yet, here you are....again, lol!!!:trout::chairshot:
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do not you see how kind bro is let me tell you where I am from they not like t those serving country to disagreeing
 
Touey said:
do not you see how kind bro is let me tell you where I am from they not like t those serving country to disagreeing
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we don't know that josh hasn't served in the military..........could be he was a real hero!!! out there protecting all those rights and privilages we all enjoy....
 
thebigt said:
we don't know that josh hasn't served in the military..........could be he was a real hero!!! out there protecting all those rights and privilages we all enjoy....
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May be how bout my friend
 
Touey said:
you know touey fall asleep then awake up thinking these more dumb then .. on try for leaving t advice the bro serve he Country on end for you freedom to u post owls../ respect is nowhere but funny to touey t bro never one time that card a call
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Owls are typically associated with wisdom. The goddess Athena was pictured with one on her shoulder. That's some good owl shyte, and that's why I post what you perceive to be dumb as owl shyte. Owl shyte owl shyte owl shyte owl shyte
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Piston Honda said:
Owls are typically associated with wisdom. The goddess Athena was pictured with one on her shoulder. That's some good owl shyte, and that's why I post what you perceive to be dumb as owl shyte. Owl shyte owl shyte owl shyte owl shyte
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Nope owls are more more dumb then owl shyte
 
Geoforce said:
Love for Phil? Are you being serious here?

9 years ago my older brother came out as gay to our family. He's a highly respected professor and soon to be book author. He has numerous articles and is at the top of his field in his research. Highly successful. He also would drop ANYTHING at a hat to help out a member of society. He volunteers, donates his money to charity, and can probably deadlift more than most of the people on this form (yes he's an avid lifter). I hadn't thought a whole lot about gays when I was 20 years old, but when a member of your family tells you this you start to think about it a bit.

He didn't choose to be gay. You think he would choose to be ostracized, belittled, and made to feel like a lesser person because of who he was sexually attracted to? Who would pick that?! He was born gay. He couldn't control. He dated girls and didn't feel anything. Did any of us choose to be straight? I certainly didn't. Like Phil a woman's vagina makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than a man's anus. We completely agree there. Not an ounce of my being has ever been remotely attracted to a male, but like I said I didn't choose that, it's how I'm wired.

My older brother is in a committed faithful relationship for the last 8 years. How many people can say that? How many heterosexuals? To compare their love to bestiality honestly makes me quite pissed off. I can think of few things as truly awful to say as that. Phil is part of a subset of people who think a creator created my brother as gay and because of this he will be tortured eternally in a lake of fire. Forever. Lake of fire, forever. For the way he was born. For who he loved.

Phil is a rich guy who had a great idea. He became more rich when a TV network decided to put his family on TV and help script half of what they say. Simply because Phil backtracked at the end doesn't make up for that comment and what he likely believes. Forgive me for not having any love for Phil. If he hadn't had to make his feelings on homosexuals known I wouldn't have had to make my feelings on him known (in fact I had no feelings on him).
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is this him?

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