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CincyKiller45 said:
No part of the Bible speaks of homosexuality as we know it today. I am a Christian and I believe the most important part of being a Christian is to learn of the circumstances the authors were facing when the books were composed. It was written in a specific time in history and under unique circumstances. The Bible in no way, shape, or form speaks of homosexuality as it pertains to today. In that time it was common practice for fathers to sodomize their youngest boy, then that boy did the same to his youngest son. Absolutely repulsive for todays standards. The word homosexuality did not even exist during that time. Paul, in Romans, was upset because Christians were using the temples as orgies, not because of the type of orgies that were occurring. It's not present in the Ten Commandments. Jesus never spoke of it. If it were such a terrible sin, don't you think the Son of Man, Jesus Christ himself would speak of it? The last time I read the four canonical Gospels, I'm pretty sure Jesus spoke of other sins. Not to mention it isn't present in the other non-canonical, "Gnostic", gospels.

Main point: You have to read the scripture in the context of which it was written. The Bible is much more clandestine than most people realize.

I cannot comprehend how a man could not love a woman, but thats how they were born. I find it very hypocritical that some Christians can condemn these people to hell and still look in the mirror everyday as if they're any better.

Phil also had the right to speak his opinion without being chastised. Though the foundation of which differs from mine.

Longest post of my career, I feel better now.
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eh????

Leviticus 18:22

New International Version (NIV)


22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

also, im not promoting this site or ministry but it lists many of the other references against homosexuality:

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Oh, I see... These are facts. Boy, I thought these were opinions about deviant behavior. :rolleyes:
 
abs322 said:
eh????

Leviticus 18:22

New International Version (NIV)

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

also, im not promoting this site or ministry but it lists many of the other references against homosexuality:

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Funny enough, it says in leviticus that I can stone a neighbor who doesn't keep Sabbath. Should I do that too?
 
Once again, why are we beholden to something written thousands of years ago? That's like saying arginine is the best pump agent pre-workout. Time and science have proven that wrong and you'd be a fool to persist believing so.
 
[video=youtube;UT-2O46VPzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT-2O46VPzk[/video]
 
AE14 said:
Funny enough, it says in leviticus that I can stone a neighbor who doesn't keep Sabbath. Should I do that too?
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if you live in a Israelite/Islamic practicing community and the neighbor has agreed to follow your laws.. .go for it.. however the non jews (goyim) are usually used to do the work on the Sabbath (Friday night to Saturday - evening to morning is one day) for the practicing "reform" type jews here in the USA. They also use technology to bend the rules (auto light dimmers, etc..)

check out the laws for the messianic kingdom... Laws Of kings and Wars:

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Before the "Jewish" (version) messiah arrives there will be the return of Elijah the Prophet who was taken up by god in a whirlwind (spaceship?). This is why the 1st questions asked to John the Baptist were inquiring if he was Elijah or the prophet, since this was a precursor to the coming of the messiah ben david or final anointed king of Israel, also the messiah king was not supposed to die.

Now on the other hand, the Dead Sea Scrolls are very different from the messianic prophecies in the Tanach & mentions a Priest & a King to lead the war between the Sons of Light and Sons of darkness fought with the angels at their side and then set up the messianic kingdom. Freemasons are waiting for the return of Hiram Abiff, and the Islamic faith is waiting for the return of the Mahdi.
 
AE14 said:
Oh, I see... These are facts. Boy, I thought these were opinions about deviant behavior. :rolleyes:
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would you like to get into the biological & health issues of deviant sexual behavior? since when is a penis designed to go where you excrete feces or eat food? Since when is anal scarring and colostomy bags good for public health or the spread of infectious diseases? Is this how we are to raise our children, to teach them these actions are okay to be politically correct? This is a ethical and moral issue before we even touch on the religious aspect of it. Like I said, with our big brains we have a tendency to pervert what is a natural and biological occurrence in order satisfy lusts and pleasures. The penis and vagina were designed to excrete waste & reproduce.
 
abs322 said:
would you like to get into the biological & health issues of deviant sexual behavior? since when is a penis made to go were you excrete feces or eat food? Since when is anal scarring and colostomy bags good for public health or the spread of infectious diseases? Is this how we are to raise our children, to teach them these actions are okay to be politically correct? This is a ethical and moral issue before we even touch on the religious aspect of it.
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You're going way off the deep end here. Wouldn't having sex for any reason besides procreation also fall into this category? What if you pull out?
 
Dirty Dan said:
Hail Satan.
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the word "ha satan" means "adversary" in hebrew... if you were an adversary to someone or something you were a ha satan. People confuse Lucifer (light bearer) with a fallen angel when there is no mention of him in the "bible". There is a verse that mentions a fallen human king who fell like the daystar (venus) which erroneously is translated as a fallen angel Lucifer. the names of the angels who rebelled are mentioned in The Book of Enoch and the Urantia Book. The only place that mentions Lucifer as being a fallen angel is masonic literature which is not readily available to the public. I know Albert Pike (famous occultic freemason) mentions Lucifer the light bearer in his book morals and dogma but it is not a representative of the masonic order, just one person. There was a story in a masonic writing that mentioned the crown of Lucifer being snatched from his head and thrown to Earth but I don't remember all the specifics. The book of Enoch is a great read for the expanded Genesis story of the giants, the flood and the angels & sirens that fell from grace:

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Rodja said:
You're going way off the deep end here. Wouldn't having sex for any reason besides procreation also fall into this category? What if you pull out?
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I'm not saying I follow that reasoning, but technically that's what they are there for, hell I love a good blowjob from my girlfiend.. ;)
 
some theorize that Jesus is Horus who is also Venus or the daystar. Jesus calls himself the the bright & shining daystar in Revelation, some say he is actually Lucifer trying to get worshipped as the main Israelite god (Yahweh) as most Christian already do. That's not even touching on the pagan influences and similarities like Mithra, Apollonius of tyanna, etc.., some already mentioned in earlier posts by other members. Greek & Sumerian mythologies are very easily assimiliated into judeo Christian stories. Personally I don't think the new testament belongs attached to the old testament, its almost like someone/something read the old testament and condensed their summary of it with some modifications and tweaks which almost mock it and then tried to make it fit by hammering a square peg into a round hole. the real question is why??? to fool or trick someone? to change the course of evolution? to reprogram the cylons?
 
some theorize AnabolicMind shall become like old clubs Anthony Trollope's day and let those only in whom have some worthwhile to say
 
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abs322 said:
I'm not saying I follow that reasoning, but technically that's what they are there for, hell I love a good blowjob from my girlfiend.. ;)
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So you're just a hypocrite? If a penis isn't designed to go into a place where one eats food why are you putting it there?

IS THIS HOW YOU WANT TO RAISE THE KIDS? A WORLD WHERE BLOWJOBS ARE OK?!?!?! Why don't we just teach them to hate people who do something differently from them? Why don't we teach them to despise people who don't come to the same conclusions in regards to religion? That sounds like a much more moral and ethical way to live.

Then again I wouldn't expect you to get it. After all you've used your parts in a way they were never intended to be used. How disgusting. We should jail the blow job receivers who haven't figured out that that is not how we use those parts!
 
Piston Honda said:
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honda on touey he need get back on some real truth so touey /find some American music for he relate may be obvious he not getting through on touey speak

[video=youtube;4o6hN8rxnPY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o6shN8rxnPY[/video]
 
Geoforce said:
So you're just a hypocrite? If a penis isn't designed to go into a place where one eats food why are you putting it there?
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Or why did the Grand Designer put it so close to where we also defecate? That's the real question!
 
Piston Honda said:
Or why did the Grand Designer put it so close to where we also defecate? That's the real question!
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Oh don't get me wrong I love to get blowjobs from my fiance. She's awesome at it. Doesn't mean it isn't MORALLY HORRIFIC. Sick of this PC culture.

Is it possible to turn the sarcasm on higher?
 
Touey said:
honda on touey he need get back on some real truth so touey /find some American music for he relate may be obvious he not getting through on touey speak

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I can't pretend to understand you Touey
But I like the video my friend.
 
flightposite said:
Hold up.... Lol how did race get involved? I'm black and agree that homosexuality is a sin as well. I guess that makes me and all my black/mixed family racist.
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Phil Robertsons insinuation that blacks were quite happy in the Jim Crow South is what brought race into it

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field .... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word! ... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."
 
Geoforce said:
We should jail the blow job receivers who haven't figured out that that is not how we use those parts!
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Sadly, in some states the act of oral or anal sex is a felony.

That is what happens when you have lawmakers you rely on their religious teachings more than they do reason and rationality.
 
Geoforce said:
So you're just a hypocrite? If a penis isn't designed to go into a place where one eats food why are you putting it there?

IS THIS HOW YOU WANT TO RAISE THE KIDS? A WORLD WHERE BLOWJOBS ARE OK?!?!?! Why don't we just teach them to hate people who do something differently from them? Why don't we teach them to despise people who don't come to the same conclusions in regards to religion? That sounds like a much more moral and ethical way to live.

Then again I wouldn't expect you to get it. After all you've used your parts in a way they were never intended to be used. How disgusting. We should jail the blow job receivers who haven't figured out that that is not how we use those parts!
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why am I a hypocrite, I didn't say you cant get a blowjob.. I was just pointing out that the penis is not meant to go into a orfice filled with sharp teeth, bacteria rich saliva and enzymes used for digesting food.. we aint even talkin bout whats in the ole poop shoot... The problem is that we try and justify what we know is wrong instead of just owing up and saying "well you're right, I know it don't belong there and is probably harmful but I don't care cause I like it".. sure our big brains can find workarounds that the rest of the animal kingdom cant figure out like inventing condoms, medicine for std,'s, etc. but that doesn't change the fact that the initial behavior is not natural or healthy or doesn't have consequences, we have just gotten good at normalizing or desensitizing it.

now in the case of blowjobs, if you think about the actual action/mechanics taking place I doubt there are many girls who haven't been slutified in their teen years who actually like having a kielbasa shoved down their throat until they gag for 20-30 minutes, have their jaw lock and lips swollen and then have sperm /semen shot all over their face.. unless of course they've been trained that way, had some kind of trauma or abuse when younger or just want the attention and are trying to please their lover. I mean we could look at the psychological end of it and come up with many reasons but that's another subject.

all im saying are some things are just common sense if you look at whats going on and what its meant for, that doesn't mean you cant do it, but don't try and have a debate of why its okay when every piece of science shows its not, just say you don't care and you like it just like smoking, drugs, etc..
 
abs322 said:
but don't try and have a debate of why its okay when every piece of science shows its not....
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please dont use science as the justification for your ignorance. Especially since you clearly fail to grasp basic scientific concepts
 
JudoJosh said:
Phil Robertsons insinuation that blacks were quite happy in the Jim Crow South is what brought race into it

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field .... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word! ... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."
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i grew up poor in a racially mixed neighborhood on the near southside of indianapolis in the 60-70's. went to school with blacks, had dinner in their houses, they had dinner in mine. we were poor, but didn't even know it because everyone around us lived the same way. in those days the poor blacks i knew went to church on sunday, and had religious icons in their homes, faith was very important to both black and white.

we had our problems, that is part of the human experience...but we shared one thing in common, life goes on and i consider my childhood a good one and look back on it fondly. when i run into old friends and acquaintances from my youth both black and white we usually share a laugh from those days.

some of the poorest people, living in the worst of conditions have been the happiest...conditions in the phillipines in late 70's thru mid 80's would be considered unbearable to most americans, but those were the happiest most faith based people i have ever met.
 
abs322 said:
why am I a hypocrite, I didn't say you cant get a blowjob.. I was just pointing out that the penis is not meant to go into a orfice filled with sharp teeth, bacteria rich saliva and enzymes used for digesting food.. we aint even talkin bout whats in the ole poop shoot... The problem is that we try and justify what we know is wrong instead of just owing up and saying "well you're right, I know it don't belong there and is probably harmful but I don't care cause I like it".. sure our big brains can find workarounds that the rest of the animal kingdom cant figure out like inventing condoms, medicine for std,'s, etc. but that doesn't change the fact that the initial behavior is not natural or healthy or doesn't have consequences, we have just gotten good at normalizing or desensitizing it.

now in the case of blowjobs, if you think about the actual action/mechanics taking place I doubt there are many girls who haven't been slutified in their teen years who actually like having a kielbasa shoved down their throat until they gag for 20-30 minutes, have their jaw lock and lips swollen and then have sperm /semen shot all over their face.. unless of course they've been trained that way, had some kind of trauma or abuse when younger or just want the attention and are trying to please their lover. I mean we could look at the psychological end of it and come up with many reasons but that's another subject.

all im saying are some things are just common sense if you look at whats going on and what its meant for, that doesn't mean you cant do it, but don't try and have a debate of why its okay when every piece of science shows its not, just say you don't care and you like it just like smoking, drugs, etc..
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Penis isn't meant to go in a place but you do it anyways? Who decides where exactly a penis is supposed to go? Is there a tribal council somewhere? Is a penis supposed to go in your hand if you masturbate? What if you don't wash it? What if you use Germ-X? Or is masturbation like blowjobs one of those things where you've said it's wrong but you don't mind being a hypocrite on that either?

Please show me all this science out there that shows where penises are allowed and not allowed to go. Seriously, enlighten me here. I had no idea we had such scientific truths out there and research done that we have absolutely proven the places a penis is allowed and not allowed to go. Hell I received oral sex no less than three days ago (she doesn't do it all the time, but I'll take what I can get :)) and I didn't even know scientific journals had proven it wasn't meant to happen there?! Wow.

Common sense says you're pulling virtually everything you've said out your ass (pun intended), but if you have all this science we don't know about I guess I'll have to read it.
 
abs322 said:
try opening a biology book, you can start at a grade school level and work your way up from there...
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so you aren't going to share anything then. Damn, all that science and you can't provide anything.

Disappointing. I thought with the way you'd talked you'd have all sorts of scientific research to back up your points.

The nutty ones always talk a big game and then evade :( How boring.
 
"You know, you two, they're doing wonderful things at mental institutions these days. -Seinfeld
 
thebigt said:
some of the poorest people, living in the worst of conditions have been the happiest...conditions in the phillipines in late 70's thru mid 80's would be considered unbearable to most americans, but those were the happiest most faith based people i have ever met.
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i think those with less then others the ones often happy are they whom realize some have more much more then someone
 
Touey said:
i think those with less then others the ones often happy are they whom realize some have more much more then someone
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they didn't watch a lot of tv...i think the media today tells people how they are supposed to feel!!! people have really become sheep.
 
abs322 said:
here is a nice summary on the dangers of homosexuality: Invalid Link Removed
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That focuses on gay people with AIDS - anyone with AIDS will typically not live as long

Oh, and gays are many times more likely to die early because of MURDER and HATE CRIMES

And "golden showering" and "sadomasochism" - the article ties these together as gay practices, not heterosexual as well

This whole article is anti-gay in its misuse of statistics that clearly focus on one group in society without attributing the practices therein to ALL groups. It proceeds from a fallacious premise that ONLY gays get AIDS, fist each other, urinate on each other, etc.

The true intention of the article is given away quite early on when punishments for homosexuality are mentioned first. The reader then proceeds to process the subsequent "data" in such a way that they equate the "data" subconsciously to the punishment that gays "deserve," without even knowing that they are doing so.

Abs - you have proven yourself to be ignorant, hateful, and just plain stupid. I'm tired of your trolling and especially your misrepresentation of data and numbers to further your anti-homosexuality bigotry which borders on hate crime.
 
Do a Wikipedia search on the Family Research Institute ...oh yeah, it's an evangelical right-wing organization designated as a Hate Crime perpetrator for its "discredited science" in its agenda to portray homosexuality as a "threat" to families
 
kisaj said:
Can't believe anyone is still responding to this abs322 moron at this point.
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I'm not going to let him spread his poison so easily
 
But it's like a 12 year old kid just giggling behind his screen because he knows he is doing nothing but pissing people off. You are much better of a person.

I should take that back because I don't think anyone is actually pissed off since all the posts are so ridiculous that nobody is actually listening at this point.
 
I hope not...people see numbers and statistics and just accept it as true. Jonathan Swift proved that in "A Modest Proposal."
 
thebigt said:
they didn't watch a lot of tv...i think the media today tells people how they are supposed to feel!!! people have really become sheep.
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i think also many affluent liberal whites and some affluent blacks use rhetoric on influencing downtrodden to their cause only to either no fulfillment on promise made or dependency on "their party" thus securing vote but is that much different then to become dependent upon any other thing or program, long term to dependence on other men their govt. their substances is there not much loss of freedom

even now we have the soliciting for getting others on food stamps/push food stamps
 
thebigt said:
never fear...your man hillary will keep your dreams alive....i just hope they are not wet dreams.:nervous:
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I hope so, her balls are bigger than Obama's
 
kisaj said:
And you are a rep for a big company around here? How embarrassing.
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dude... and i thought you were open minded?

it was made in fun, piston honda and i aren't enemies, we just happen to disagree on some things.


you don't happen to work for A@E do you, lol.
 
thebigt said:
dude... and i thought you were open minded?

it was made in fun, piston honda and i aren't enemies, we just happen to disagree on some things.


you don't happen to work for A@E do you, lol.
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the word enemy is a word made by man...i think an enemy is one whom need help the most
 
kisaj said:
And you are a rep for a big company around here? How embarrassing.
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what is embarassing is that i have been called everything from stupid to an idiot for my belief in GOD and the bible, but you take offense at my saying 'you would know'?

after all that has been said...by both sides..... you try and pull an A@E type censorship now......that really is embarassing, imo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
thebigt said:
what is embarassing is that i have been called everything from stupid to an idiot for my belief in GOD and the bible, but you take offense at my saying 'you would know'?
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"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
 
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