I am convinced that there is no need to cycle m-drol

Is this working like that ?

If lets say, 2mg of SD is androgenic as 10mg of testosterone (FOR EXAMPLE) and your body produce 100mg a week, will your body only substract the 10mg of androgenic propretie of SD and continue to produce the other 90mg like normal ?

I really dont know, that why I want some experts to weigh in, so these theories can start being developed and tested
Id like to think it was that simple at least in theory, it can give us a way to estimate anabolic, androgenic, and suppressive effects. A way to titrate effects.
No doubt these compounds have varying amounts of anabolism, androgenicity, and suppression. The thought of being able to manipulate them positively is a very alluring idea. This was the whole idea behind a Q ratio. In medicinal practices, much higher doses are used which will cause suppression regardless. Patho These hormones werent developed with the bodybuilder in mind whose purposes are more aesthetic. Anyway
This is not the way that steroids are typically used. They are used expecting a great deal of suppresion with explosive gains, taking PCT into account for harm reduction, BUT WHAT IF, JUST IF.......
the scales can be tipped in favor of growth with minimal suppression, while gaining more anabolism, unit for unit, than would be lost.




AN ANABOLIC PARABLE:
Think of your test production as a factory full of workers. This factory can only hold a limited number of workers. There are 2 kinds jobs in the factory, production and logistics. You have your original "A" workers. They know how to do both jobs in the factory, but they work slow. Also they are part of a union, and when too many of them are layed off, the A workers will go on strike. "B" workers, work extremely fast, 4X as fast, have no union and can be brought in to work for cheap. The problem is the only job they can do is production. They cannot do logistics so the factory will shutdown eventually without "A" workers there to keep it running. "A" workers can be replaced by machines but these machines will never run smoothly and always need maintnance. There is no good replacement for union workers. The big question is how many "A" workers can you replace with "B" workers and keep everything running smooth, while maximizing production, and avoiding a strike or the cost of buying machines??

INTERPRETATION:
You are the factory owner
"A" workers represent Testosterone
"B" workers represent Superdrol
The union represents your HTPA axis
Machines represent TRT or HRT
Production is muscle building
Logistics is androgenic effects: libido, mental health, energy (sans lethargy
A worker strike is Shutdown

ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS:
"A" workers vacation:
Lay A workers off temporarily, but call it a vacation, and pay for a cruise for them, keeping the union happy. B workers will produce massive production but there will be a big mess to clean up when they return. So it might take a while to clean up. Also the union gets upset when workers go on too many or too long of vacations because they dont get their union fees for when "A" dont work
SERM are the vacation cruise offered to A workers to return
Suppression is the mess to clean up

I hope you all enjoyed reading that as much as I did writing it.




It seems like on a xy scale, testosterone has a linear anabolism to suppression ratio of 1:1

While high anabolic/ low androgenic compounds have a linear anabolism to suppression ratio of 2:1 - 10:1

This is in theory. In practice linear trends are rarely seen, and can only be used as approximations

If we can break it down mathematically into units of anabolism, suppression and androgenocity, we can approximate units of test displaced, units of anabolism gained, units of endegenous test lost/maintained.

WILL THIS WORK????????? I HAVE NO IDEA
 
the endocrine system does not work like simple arithmatic. It is much much much more complicated than 1-1=0 or 1+1=2.
 
thanks for the intelligent post unreal. I actually love the pulse I am doing right now. Like I said, I am doing the least amount of m-drol I have heard of anyone taking and I am getting great results. M-drol half life is 6-8 hours so I take it imediately pre-workout. My results tell me that a majority of my gains have not come because my body is in a constant anabolic state or "on cycle" persay, but because I am dosing right when my body can benefit the most from it. I do not continuously have m-drol in my blood at such a low dosage of 10 mgs ever 48 hours. This is where my theory of taking one dose for a lagging bodypart once a week comes to mind. Or if that seems excessive then even twice a month.

And just to clear up any confusion for the retards out there, this thread is beyond basic concepts such as proper time off and pct. So please keep that stuff out of here. If you have something to add that is worth saying please do.

I re-read what you wrote, and it still seems that you were considering doing the once per week, but I thought I read 3 x per week is what you were doing at this current time. I.E. wo x 3 per week, sd pre workout. This would be when your body could benefit from it most, around wo, correct? That would be 3-4 times per week. This is where I've drawn the conclusion of being on 12 months out of the year. Is that not what it would amount to?
 
What we need is somebody to get baseline bloodwork, then follow this intermittent dosing protocol and get bloodwork again at 4 weeks. Then, compare that to a standard 4-week cycle.
 
What causes more harm... higher dose + shorter cycle, OR lower dose + longer cycle?

It has to be combo of dosage (D) and cycle length (L). But, which has the greater influence? Is it a 1:1 D/L ratio? 2:1? 1:2? etc... Unless people have tried the extended "pulse" cycle and got bloodwork done, we can't really make any conclusions.
When you are considering the approaches, you have to look at what you intake, diet wise also. What will he be able to do easier? Will he be able to sustain a complete, 100% healthy diet (considering all bases, ancillaries, diet, etc) while on this substance for 4 weeks, or will he be able to sustain a complete and healthy diet for 10 weeks?

I do not know about the Op, but MOST PEOPLE could probably do it for 6 weeks at the most. Your intake of poor diet, along with a methyl, and stress, highly contributes to poor lipid values as well. Also, you have to take into account the length and the opportunity for many other mishaps to happen. Usually, a person can get by with a 4 week oral cycle vs. a 10 week oral cycle. It leaves less to chance. I'd look into what Bfiddy is saying here because it holds merit.
 
Umberto: Great posts; however, please refrain from using yellow, for it is hard to read.

To the OP (Dynomite): I've had some pretty intelligent conversations with you through PM's, so I know you have a strong grasp on hormonal products and the environment that is created within from their uses. I am interested in seeing what you can possibly garner from your hypothesis, and would love to see actual blood work to compliment such a unusual routine. You have my attention.
 
When one considers long term use of oral steroids consider that Arnold had quadruple by pass and I would imagine there may be some correlation - or not.

It may just be my more mature perspective - knowing very well that I am not invincible - that I encourage serious consideration when using such.
 
man i thought op was gonna say he hated mdrol. i dont see a reason to cycle it...because i can take 5mg and feel my liver melting lmao. and it makes me so irratable
 
Dynomite, it sounds like you've done some good research. I am all for your idea. Please keep us updated. A log would be greatly appreciated!
 
while doing this low dose cycle with a short half life would a person benifit from a test booster before bed?
 
I appreciate all of the encouragement guys. I wish that I could get bloodwork done but I work in Iraq and we don't have a full blown medical facility on my post. We have a medic but thats it. If we get sick or require more medical attention than the medic can provide then we have to go to Dubai which means no paycheck.

Sorry I am just not in the position to do this right now guys. Plus I would like to complete my current pulse right now. Speaking of which......

I would like to note some observations about my current m-drol cycle which is now about 2 and a half weeks long. I have gained 1 pound in the last 4 days (which I am very happy with). But why do gains slow down? Is it because the andogen receptors get desensitized? I am not interested in increasing the 10 mg dosage. I would rather take a week or 2 off, let my lipids recover, my androgen receptors clear up, and start again for another 2-3weeks. Is this a viable alterative to upping the dosage?
 
When one considers long term use of oral steroids consider that Arnold had quadruple by pass and I would imagine there may be some correlation - or not.

It may just be my more mature perspective - knowing very well that I am not invincible - that I encourage serious consideration when using such.

i might be wrong but i belive he admited that he had heart problems before he ever picked up steroids - i just cant remember where i read it
 
I am not familiar with that. Can you give the basic jist of it?

Well, its not exactly the same as what you're talking about, but it reminded me of the extended use of low-dosed Methylated steroids, as you are proposing.

So, The idea is that you can run a low dose of Dbol for extended periods without HPTA shutdown. (say around 90% functionality)

Mainly used POST cycle along with PCT i believe. A lot of people lose cycle gains during PCT, so the theory is to use 10 mgs of DBOL with your pct. The low dose of Dbol will still enable you to regain hpta function (90%) while keeping all your gains.

The theory states that by using it in the morning, when your Testosterone levels are highest, you somehow "trick" your body, telling it that no exogenous hormones are being used.

Not sure if the theory is bunk or not, but its widespread.

Only 10 mgs was used which was enough to keep you in an anabolic state, keeping your gains from the previous blast cycles.

I found the article....

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I also recall reading that Arnold had a preexisting heart condition
 
Well, its not exactly the same as what you're talking about, but it reminded me of the extended use of low-dosed Methylated steroids, as you are proposing.

So, The idea is that you can run a low dose of Dbol for extended periods without HPTA shutdown. (say around 90% functionality)

Mainly used POST cycle along with PCT i believe. A lot of people lose cycle gains during PCT, so the theory is to use 10 mgs of DBOL with your pct. The low dose of Dbol will still enable you to regain hpta function (90%) while keeping all your gains.

The theory states that by using it in the morning, when your Testosterone levels are highest, you somehow "trick" your body, telling it that no exogenous hormones are being used.

Not sure if the theory is bunk or not, but its widespread.

Only 10 mgs was used which was enough to keep you in an anabolic state, keeping your gains from the previous blast cycles.

I found the article....

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Nice post. Thanks for the source.

Its an interesting idea.
 
Well, its not exactly the same as what you're talking about, but it reminded me of the extended use of low-dosed Methylated steroids, as you are proposing.

So, The idea is that you can run a low dose of Dbol for extended periods without HPTA shutdown. (say around 90% functionality)

Mainly used POST cycle along with PCT i believe. A lot of people lose cycle gains during PCT, so the theory is to use 10 mgs of DBOL with your pct. The low dose of Dbol will still enable you to regain hpta function (90%) while keeping all your gains.

The theory states that by using it in the morning, when your Testosterone levels are highest, you somehow "trick" your body, telling it that no exogenous hormones are being used.

Not sure if the theory is bunk or not, but its widespread.

Only 10 mgs was used which was enough to keep you in an anabolic state, keeping your gains from the previous blast cycles.

I found the article....

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Thanks for that. What could be used instead of dbol?? Something with a short half life like dbol???
 
Is there anything with a shorter half life than Sdrol?

Not really I think Superdrol and Epi/Havoc have the shortest half lives among the OTC products. I don't think it gets much faster... This is why i have tried putting my SD powder in olive oil shots. I figure if i can't make the half life any faster, at least I can make the absorption faster.
 
Not really I think Superdrol and Epi/Havoc have the shortest half lives among the OTC products. I don't think it gets much faster... This is why i have tried putting my SD powder in olive oil shots. I figure if i can't make the half life any faster, at least I can make the absorption faster.

interesting idea.

how is your SD cycle going?
 
Not really I think Superdrol and Epi/Havoc have the shortest half lives among the OTC products. I don't think it gets much faster... This is why i have tried putting my SD powder in olive oil shots. I figure if i can't make the half life any faster, at least I can make the absorption faster.

Holy Frick! Is it working?? Never even thought of that. Also I wonder how this looks on bloodwork.... Hmm... Anyone else try this?
 
Not really I think Superdrol and Epi/Havoc have the shortest half lives among the OTC products. I don't think it gets much faster... This is why i have tried putting my SD powder in olive oil shots. I figure if i can't make the half life any faster, at least I can make the absorption faster.

Pure SD powder, or are they caps you popped open...because filler would be a helluva thing to inject.
 
Im guessing not oral lol

OOO im dumb. Olive oil would pure pure healthy fats, so it would highly speed up the absorption...Would this work with pretty much most orals? I mean to have a lil dish prepared for before dosing with olive oil?
 
interesting idea.

how is your SD cycle going?

It seems to speed up the kick in time, usually did 1-2 pills, but it got harder for me to tell as I got deeper into my cycle and ended up just feeling pumped and jacked almost 24/7, it's harder to notice anything "kicking". I wanted more people to try this out and report on how well it worked; I made a thread about it.

My cycle is about to end. It went well, lost several bf% while adding a considerable amount of strength. I'll make a thread about it soon.
 
It seems to speed up the kick in time, usually did 1-2 pills, but it got harder for me to tell as I got deeper into my cycle and ended up just feeling pumped and jacked almost 24/7, it's harder to notice anything "kicking". I wanted more people to try this out and report on how well it worked; I made a thread about it.

My cycle is about to end. It went well, lost several bf% while adding a considerable amount of strength. I'll make a thread about it soon.

can't wait to read it.
 
So I have decided that I will end my pulse however I won't be doing it the traditional way. In my 3 weeks cycle of m-drol I gained approximately 9-10 pounds and from what I can see I leaned out a bit too. Remember I did this on 10 mgs EOD. I am amazed and very happy.

I began dosing my Nolva @ 20 mgs last night and will continue dosing 20 mgs until unnecessary. I will not stop taking the m-drol entirely but I will drop the dosage down to 5 mgs EOD. Then I will taper from there over a two week period. I do not feel shut down at all so I plan on this recovery being fast and hopefully I will retain almost all of my gains if not grow a little more while on PCT.

This is a combination of a few very good ideas that I have read in here. Thanks alot for all the great input. I will let you all know how it ends up.
 
I am pretty sure this has already done WITH bloodwork in a thread called Low dose, 5 mg M-drol. The bloodwork showed damage was the same & the conclusion was to run a regolar cycle of M-drol instread
 
I am pretty sure this has already done WITH bloodwork in a thread called Low dose, 5 mg M-drol. The bloodwork showed damage was the same & the conclusion was to run a regolar cycle of M-drol instread

the thread you are refering to has everyday dosages.

I am convinced the damage is not the same because like I said I feel like I don't even need PCT.
 
the thread you are refering to has everyday dosages.

I am convinced the damage is not the same because like I said I feel like I don't even need PCT.


Yes I believe you are right, every day doses of 3-5 mg, so that is roughly the same mgs per week as 10 mgs EOD, possibly even less. The damage was based on bloodwork results. His doctors repeatedly wanted him to see and endocrynologist, they were very concerned. It was a 35 day cycle and he did experience shutdown plus alarming bloodwork panels. Not sure if you don't feel shutdown that this exempts you from problems within the bloodwork. I don't think I would count on it.

I'm not flaming....just received 3 bottles of the stuff on sale for myself, just contributing to the thread.
 
Yes I believe you are right, every day doses of 3-5 mg, so that is roughly the same mgs per week as 10 mgs EOD, possibly even less. The damage was based on bloodwork results. His doctors repeatedly wanted him to see and endocrynologist, they were very concerned. It was a 35 day cycle and he did experience shutdown plus alarming bloodwork panels. Not sure if you don't feel shutdown that this exempts you from problems within the bloodwork. I don't think I would count on it.

I'm not flaming....just received 3 bottles of the stuff on sale for myself, just contributing to the thread.

Yeah I know you aren't flaming. I like reading your posts. I am not surprised at all that taking even a low dose would cause side effects. However I think that an EOD dosage gives your body breaks. I know I don't have bloodwork to prove it but I have been shutdown hard before and I know how it feels. Right now I am not shutdown and if I am it sure isnt nearly as bad as I have been in the past.
 
the doozy was a 4 weeker of m1t. That had me shut down hard. I am not sure if it was because my ancillaries were bogus or what but I think I went through 3 PCTs. That was no fun at all. That is why I have been out of the game for so long and so damn cautious now. I firmly believe in taking the least amount of something that yields results. I look back at M1T and it just makes me sad. I did not keep any of those gains after all the hell I went through.

But it did spark the beginning of a 5 year all natural workout span. I feel that is why I was able to grow so much from such a little dose of M-drol. My body was just begging for some juice lol.
 
As far as your lipid profile is concerned couldnt you look at this as the same as going and eating a big mac or a sirloin burger roughly 2-3 times a week from mcdonalds and jack in the box respectively? With your once a week dosing idea its long term effects on the lipid panel would be (IMO) nullified by cardio and fatty acid consumption.

Also, someone earlier brought this up but you'd have to be strict with diet for a MUCH longer time than your typical cycle. Harder for the majority of us to do. If you feel you could do this I'm in full support of you trying it out :)
 
Also, someone earlier brought this up but you'd have to be strict with diet for a MUCH longer time than your typical cycle. Harder for the majority of us to do. If you feel you could do this I'm in full support of you trying it out :)

why would the diet be any less strict off cycle?
 
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