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RegisterJr said:
Question. I’ve read the online data, but to YOU:

1. what’s the biggest difference between test e and cyp?

2. Why do you do both, and;

3. Why choose double of one (e) over the other?
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Test E and test C are damn near identical and many people swap interchangeably. Test is test.
However, 1-test cypionate is not test but rather dihydroboldenone (DHB). Easily to confuse this with the nomenclature.
 
RegisterJr said:
Question. I’ve read the online data, but to YOU:

1. what’s the biggest difference between test e and cyp?

2. Why do you do both, and;

3. Why choose double of one (e) over the other?
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I have only ever used testosterone enanthate, and no ester (TNE) recently a little as a preWO. Ester merely determines the speed of release into the bloodstream. However, anecdotally, test cypionate is commonly reported by users to hold a bit more water using it compared to enanthate (which has a fairly similar half-life) and propionate (a shorter half-life of about 2 days). If you have heard of Sustanon, that is a blend of various fast, long, and very long esters that some people happen to prefer.

To address the other two questions, I am not doing both esters for my testosterone. 1-testosterone cypionate is aka DHB, dihydroboldenone, & it’s a completely different steroid. If you have ever heard of the prohormone 1-Andro, this is the potent target hormone you’re after when consuming that. It does not convert to estrogen, nor does not increase prolactin. It’s famous for leaving painful lumps at the injection site, but I have had no issues with that from this bottle.
 
You can always learn something from Hyde
 
SkRaw85 said:
Test E and test C are damn near identical and many people swap interchangeably. Test is test.
However, 1-test cypionate is not test but rather dihydroboldenone (DHB). Easily to confuse this with the nomenclature.
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Hyde said:
I have only ever used testosterone enanthate, and no ester (TNE) recently a little as a preWO. Ester merely determines the speed of release into the bloodstream. However, anecdotally, test cypionate is commonly reported by users to hold a bit more water using it compared to enanthate (which has a fairly similar half-life) and propionate (a shorter half-life of about 2 days). If you have heard of Sustanon, that is a blend of various fast, long, and very long esters that some people happen to prefer.

To address the other two questions, I am not doing both esters for my testosterone. 1-testosterone cypionate is aka DHB, dihydroboldenone, & it’s a completely different steroid. If you have ever heard of the prohormone 1-Andro, this is the potent target hormone you’re after when consuming that. It does not convert to estrogen, nor does not increase prolactin. It’s famous for leaving painful lumps at the injection site, but I have had no issues with that from this bottle.
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Thank you both, this answers my questions!
 
Hyde said:
Day 14 of Oral Push
BW 265.0

Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes!

I’ve concluded that Dbol immediately destroys my gut health. Only made it a couple days on it and it immediately started giving me heartburn, killed my appetite, constantly felt full eating less food (like my gut motility had shut down & nothing was digesting normally). Bodyweight dropped from 265.2 to 263, then 262 yesterday, when I pulled the plug. Consumed no orals all day & never experienced the heartburn, indigestion or total lack of appetite the Dbol had caused. Ate like it was my job and woke at 265.0 again. Dbol caused me this issue the last time I used it within about 5 days, with no other orals.

Instead, @Rocket3015 made a point & his argument won out. Pinned 600mg/2.4ml of deca in my left VG to frontload it. Frontloading is a terrible growth strategy, but in this context the purpose is to hopefully get the joint support faster (some clinicians have HRT patients frontload deca around 400mg specifically when being used for joint relief) as well as serve as a total mg taper to help hold recent gains from the oral push (the high exposure increased androgen receptor count too, making gear more efficient afterwards for a while). Plus it sets the vial up to run out near the meet if I use it at 200-250/wk here on.

Also took 40mg Var before bed last night without issue, and probably will through the weekend to continue to promote joint repair.

This concludes the big oral push, but I might keep eating hard this week to see if I can yet hit 270. Shame I’m out of Mk, because that would surely do it.
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That is how that anavar was treating me. The moment I started taking it my digestion went to a crashing halt and the heartburn was no joke. My food felt like it was sitting in my stomach. Soon I stopped the next day my gut felt immediately better.
 
khall1974 said:
That is how that anavar was treating me. The moment I started taking it my digestion went to a crashing halt and the heartburn was no joke. My food felt like it was sitting in my stomach. Soon I stopped the next day my gut felt immediately better.
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Well, sometimes Var is faked with Dbol for sure. I mean your source I would inherently trust, but the truth with Var IME is you never really know unless you test the exact batch. I have gotten Var from someone prior that I trusted & it was legit, next batch a year or so later was Dbol, then third time was legit again. Good dude too; I absolutely do not believe he intended it.

Take a bunch at once and see if you can get back pumps! If so it’s probably Dbol lol
 
7/10/22
BW 262.6

5 min walk

Cable Rope Facepulls, Tri Pressdown, Low Row
44/38/71 4x25 each

Swissbar Dynamic Bench
vs single Monster Miniband run under the bench
45x10
95,145x3
185 5x3 mid, 3x3 wide
235x3 wide

High Incline Rack Lockout from nose
45,135,225x3
275,295x1 PR

Low Incline Williams Extensions
35,45,55x10
65 2x8 PR

Very Low Incline NG DB Press
70x25,30

KB Bottoms-Up Press
15x10

Well, the bodyweight increase dropped back off. Pretty sure I’m kind of settling around here, but that’s still about 10lbs net over 3 weeks. Good training today; saw some definite personal bests in my tricep strength. Going to try to settle back into a bit more routine diet, not so 100% trash like it’s been hopefully. So I may lose more weight, but as long as training is solid I’m happy.
 
If only I could give you the 5lbs I would like to loose.
 
Happy belated Birthday…….I quit getting updates, I should have paid better attention.
Looks like the PR train is still rolling along.
 
7/11/22

5 min walk
Bird Dogs
Side Planks

GHR alt w/ Back Extensions
3x10/15

Rack Pull from Lowest Pin
135,225x3
315,405x1
+belt
475,525,555x1

BB Rows
225x12
275x8
305x6
315x5 PR

Good Girl Machine
60,100x15
140x12,15

GHR
1x25 PR

585 is my PR at the lowest pin, but now that I’m pulling heavy every Monday I definitely did not want to go 100%. Haven’t done BB Rows in eons, so I was really happy to discover both my strength on them now & especially that my low back could handle them without pain or fatigue like previously. I was also tickled to see a lifetime best on GHR. I think I need to start adding some load to these finally.
 
Killing it as usual in here. Good knowledge to learn regarding your DBol intolerance. One more thing to not waste your money on.
 
Couldn’t tell by that weight, 315 lbs for 5, that you haven’t been doing BB Rows, and a PR at that. Just goes to show how our strength can grow indirectly on an exercise from working a well balanced program.
 
We had a giant all-nighter maintenance event we executed Monday night/Tuesday morning for work. My team is a small, special-ops type of crew; we’re entirely remote, and nearly everyone still made the pilgrimage to meet due to the severity of this transition. It went over without a hitch thankfully, and was a great learning experience.

That being said, I got less than 3 hours total of naps in Tuesday, so waking up Wednesday after a proper sleep I felt totally unrecovered to attempt max effort bench. Got some sushi in yesterday and planning a combo lower/upper session tonight instead to account for less recovery this week.
 
Hyde said:
We had a giant all-nighter maintenance event we executed Monday night/Tuesday morning for work. My team is a small, special-ops type of crew; we’re entirely remote, and nearly everyone still made the pilgrimage to meet due to the severity of this transition. It went over without a hitch thankfully, and was a great learning experience.

That being said, I got less than 3 hours total of naps in Tuesday, so waking up Wednesday after a proper sleep I felt totally unrecovered to attempt max effort bench. Got some sushi in yesterday and planning a combo lower/upper session tonight instead to account for less recovery this week.
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Good call on holding out a day or two on bench. You definitely don’t want to attempt any kind of max on too little rest, that’s quick way to get a potential injury….rest and live to lift another day.
 
Thought I was subscribed to this but not getting any notifications. Certainly one of the most knowledgeable guys left here.
 
rascal14 said:
Thought I was subscribed to this but not getting any notifications. Certainly one of the most knowledgeable guys left here.
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You got that right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
gphagan1 said:
Good call on holding out a day or two on bench. You definitely don’t want to attempt any kind of max on too little rest, that’s quick way to get a potential injury….rest and live to lift another day.
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It really did pay out well; definitely was a lot stronger waiting until I was ready. I was looking forward to it all day at work Thursday instead of just trying to survive it.

rascal14 said:
Thought I was subscribed to this but not getting any notifications. Certainly one of the most knowledgeable guys left here.
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Welcome back!
 
7/14/22
BW 262.6

5 min walk
Bird Dogs
Side Planks

Lying Leg Curl
70,90,110x15

Cable Rope Facepulls & Tri Pressdown
40 2x25 each

13” Low Boxsquat
45 3x5
135,225,315,365x3
+belt
415,455x3 PR
480,500x3 PR

Benchpress
vs Light Band under bench
45x10
95x5
135x3
185,235,255,275,295,315x1 PR
325 MISS

Suitcase Carries
70, 80 db x1 trip each per side
45 bumper x1 trip per side to failure

KB Swing
53 2x25

I am exactly 10lbs heavier than when I did this low box triple a month ago, and I barely managed 450x3 then. I added 50lbs to this movement in 4 weeks, as well as accomplishing more top end volume overall, which is a terrific ratio of bodyweight to power increase for me. Just needed to bring up my hams, low back, & abs.

First time maxing against a light band under a bench; hard to gauge the tension on this setup but it weighted up HARD the top half of the press.

This was a great day.
 
Hyde said:
7/14/22
BW 262.6

5 min walk
Bird Dogs
Side Planks

Lying Leg Curl
70,90,110x15

Cable Rope Facepulls & Tri Pressdown
40 2x25 each

13” Low Boxsquat
45 3x5
135,225,315,365x3
+belt
415,455x3 PR
480,500x3 PR

Benchpress
vs Light Band under bench
45x10
95x5
135x3
185,235,255,275,295,315x1 PR
325 MISS

Suitcase Carries
70, 80 db x1 trip each per side
45 bumper x1 trip per side to failure

KB Swing
53 2x25

I am exactly 10lbs heavier than when I did this low box triple a month ago, and I barely managed 450x3 then. I added 50lbs to this movement in 4 weeks, as well as accomplishing more top end volume overall, which is a terrific ratio of bodyweight to power increase for me. Just needed to bring up my hams, low back, & abs.

First time maxing against a light band under a bench; hard to gauge the tension on this setup but it weighted up HARD the top half of the press.

This was a great day.
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Your killing it big guy……500x3 on low box squat, time for the mic 🎤 drop after that.💪
 
Awesome work, congrats on all the PR's!
 
Bad news gang.

Son has developed some kind of respiratory virus. We’ve been to a prompt care, the ER twice, and now flown to a children’s hospital in an adjacent city where we will be staying a couple nights for sure. Tested negative for pneumonia, RSV, COVID. They guess a cold (Rhino/Enterovirus) that’s taken a turn for the worst is the culprit but still doing some more testing. He’s on oxygen and fluid IV and doing pretty well.

So no training today, I assume none tomorrow, but I’m expecting my son to recover well in time with the care here.
 
When your kid is sick, you will do anything to help them get better, do what you need to do, the iron will be there when he's back to his best !!
 
Hyde said:
Bad news gang.

Son has developed some kind of respiratory virus. We’ve been to a prompt care, the ER twice, and now flown to a children’s hospital in an adjacent city where we will be staying a couple nights for sure. Tested negative for pneumonia, RSV, COVID. They guess a cold (Rhino/Enterovirus) that’s taken a turn for the worst is the culprit but still doing some more testing. He’s on oxygen and fluid IV and doing pretty well.

So no training today, I assume none tomorrow, but I’m expecting my son to recover well in time with the care here.
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Prayers for your son and you and your wife….hopefully all is well.🙏
 
Hyde said:
Bad news gang.

Son has developed some kind of respiratory virus. We’ve been to a prompt care, the ER twice, and now flown to a children’s hospital in an adjacent city where we will be staying a couple nights for sure. Tested negative for pneumonia, RSV, COVID. They guess a cold (Rhino/Enterovirus) that’s taken a turn for the worst is the culprit but still doing some more testing. He’s on oxygen and fluid IV and doing pretty well.

So no training today, I assume none tomorrow, but I’m expecting my son to recover well in time with the care here.
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There is nothing worse than when your kids get sick beyond your ability to provide care. Hope you guys are doing ok.
 
Thank you, everyone. The night went well, they have his supplemental air pressure down to just 2L flow, and he’s taken pedialyte and now milk without issue. They have stopped supplementing IV fluids and cleared him to eat regular food when it arrives shortly. So we’ll be transferred out of intensive care into a step down unit today for sure.
 
Hyde said:
Thank you, everyone. The night went well, they have his supplemental air pressure down to just 2L flow, and he’s taken pedialyte and now milk without issue. They have stopped supplementing IV fluids and cleared him to eat regular food when it arrives shortly. So we’ll be transferred out of intensive care into a step down unit today for sure.
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Great News !!
 
Hyde said:
Thank you, everyone. The night went well, they have his supplemental air pressure down to just 2L flow, and he’s taken pedialyte and now milk without issue. They have stopped supplementing IV fluids and cleared him to eat regular food when it arrives shortly. So we’ll be transferred out of intensive care into a step down unit today for sure.
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Wow sorry to hear that, I'm sure it can be pretty scary. RSV is no joke so I'm glad to hear that's not the case.
 
My son recovered powerfully after a good night’s rest and being rehydrated with fluids. He basically didn’t need the oxygen they were giving at all yesterday and was able to eat and drink well. He was getting so rambunctious with his strength back they not only skipped the intermediate unit, but sent the general pediatric doctors to evaluate & conclude he was ready for discharge. He was jumping in his chair and dancing to music before they even came to see him he was so normal again. We left the hospital by 6pm and he’s continued to be his happy normal energetic self.

His breathing was extremely distressed Saturday night and especially Sunday day; he came to the ER with respiration rate at 60-70 breaths per minute, belly heaving away, but Monday you certainly couldn’t tell anything had been wrong! O2 levels at 95-100% and respiration down to 20-30, heart rate down form 200 to 100-120.

Insurance today said the airlift, even when ordered by doctors as medically necessary, isn’t covered, and those run $12-25,000 allegedly, so we will see what kind of bill we get and how negotiations go privately on that But I’m not worried about it. I have a suspicion it will 1/10th of that when we explain it’s not covered by insurance, same as my bicep re-attachment was.
 
On that note, I tore the top of my left bicep partially last night on my top set of deficit deadlifts. As soon as I locked out 525, I felt the tear and immediately dropped the bar & grabbed my arm. It’s still attached and functional as far as I can tell, but it hurts if I engage it with my arm stretched out all the way or if I jerk it (opening the car door at normal speed for example). I had to have someone unload my bar for me & bagged the rest of training. I already can’t curl this arm completely or keep the bicep continually activated generally in a flex due to my elbow mobility issue, so I doubt surgery will be a useful solution.

I am going to see the surgeon who repaired my distal tendon next Thursday to address both the elbow and torn bicep. Not expecting miracles, but he’s truly an expert & I would appreciate his counsel.

It’s kind of upsetting I suppose; this is definitely a disappointing experience, but things could be a lot worse. My son is healthy again and I still have routine use of my arm/hand so I’m pretty grateful!
 
Hyde said:
My son recovered powerfully after a good night’s rest and being rehydrated with fluids. He basically didn’t need the oxygen they were giving at all yesterday and was able to eat and drink well. He was getting so rambunctious with his strength back they not only skipped the intermediate unit, but sent the general pediatric doctors to evaluate & conclude he was ready for discharge. He was jumping in his chair and dancing to music before they even came to see him he was so normal again. We left the hospital by 6pm and he’s continued to be his happy normal energetic self.

His breathing was extremely distressed Saturday night and especially Sunday day; he came to the ER with respiration rate at 60-70 breaths per minute, belly heaving away, but Monday you certainly couldn’t tell anything had been wrong! O2 levels at 95-100% and respiration down to 20-30, heart rate down form 200 to 100-120.

Insurance today said the airlift, even when ordered by doctors as medically necessary, isn’t covered, and those run $12-25,000 allegedly, so we will see what kind of bill we get and how negotiations go privately on that But I’m not worried about it. I have a suspicion it will 1/10th of that when we explain it’s not covered by insurance, same as my bicep re-attachment was.
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There's ways to lower medical bills you already know, was it an actual private airlift? I've always heard $75-100k for air lift so $12-25k looked good to me lol

Both my parents have spent a good portion of time working in or around medical insurance for hospitals. I can always ask them if they know of any loop holes. I know in college the easy way out was a hardship letter saying "im in college, no money, I can pay $200 or nothing at all"

Big thing is make sure you get some sort of payment plan set up if you can't afford the lump sum, so it doesn't go to collections. (you're older and more wise than me I don't know why I'm acting like I'm going to say something you don't already know lol)

The good thing is the boy is healthy, who cares about the money or medical debt in the US, that systems fucked as it is. Pay $20 a month till you die if you have to, in pennies.
 
Hyde said:
My son recovered powerfully after a good night’s rest and being rehydrated with fluids. He basically didn’t need the oxygen they were giving at all yesterday and was able to eat and drink well. He was getting so rambunctious with his strength back they not only skipped the intermediate unit, but sent the general pediatric doctors to evaluate & conclude he was ready for discharge. He was jumping in his chair and dancing to music before they even came to see him he was so normal again. We left the hospital by 6pm and he’s continued to be his happy normal energetic self.

His breathing was extremely distressed Saturday night and especially Sunday day; he came to the ER with respiration rate at 60-70 breaths per minute, belly heaving away, but Monday you certainly couldn’t tell anything had been wrong! O2 levels at 95-100% and respiration down to 20-30, heart rate down form 200 to 100-120.

Insurance today said the airlift, even when ordered by doctors as medically necessary, isn’t covered, and those run $12-25,000 allegedly, so we will see what kind of bill we get and how negotiations go privately on that But I’m not worried about it. I have a suspicion it will 1/10th of that when we explain it’s not covered by insurance, same as my bicep re-attachment was.
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Hyde said:
On that note, I tore the top of my left bicep partially last night on my top set of deficit deadlifts. As soon as I locked out 525, I felt the tear and immediately dropped the bar & grabbed my arm. It’s still attached and functional as far as I can tell, but it hurts if I engage it with my arm stretched out all the way or if I jerk it (opening the car door at normal speed for example). I had to have someone unload my bar for me & bagged the rest of training. I already can’t curl this arm completely or keep the bicep continually activated generally in a flex due to my elbow mobility issue, so I doubt surgery will be a useful solution.

I am going to see the surgeon who repaired my distal tendon next Thursday to address both the elbow and torn bicep. Not expecting miracles, but he’s truly an expert & I would appreciate his counsel.

It’s kind of upsetting I suppose; this is definitely a disappointing experience, but things could be a lot worse. My son is healthy again and I still have routine use of my arm/hand so I’m pretty grateful!
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Thank God your son is ok…that’s awesome. It’s amazing how resilient kids are, one day it could feel like life or death, 2 days later jumping, dancing, and running like nothing ever happened.
Man, sorry to here about the torn bicep, those are never any fun. It’s a shame too, because everything seems to have been coming along so well. Hopefully your Doctor can get you in to repair it, and recovery won’t take too long.
 
rascal14 said:
There's ways to lower medical bills you already know, was it an actual private airlift? I've always heard $75-100k for air lift so $12-25k looked good to me lol

Both my parents have spent a good portion of time working in or around medical insurance for hospitals. I can always ask them if they know of any loop holes. I know in college the easy way out was a hardship letter saying "im in college, no money, I can pay $200 or nothing at all"

Big thing is make sure you get some sort of payment plan set up if you can't afford the lump sum, so it doesn't go to collections. (you're older and more wise than me I don't know why I'm acting like I'm going to say something you don't already know lol)

The good thing is the boy is healthy, who cares about the money or medical debt in the US, that systems fucked as it is. Pay $20 a month till you die if you have to, in pennies.
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It was the helicopter owned by the children’s hospital they were transferring him to. They said they couldn’t get an ambulance in a timely fashion (it’s a 35 min drive) due to staffing/availability, and wouldn’t let me drive him due to the IV & O2.

Yeah it will be totally between us if the insurance doesn’t cover it, and it’s going to be, “let’s negotiate a realistic sum for a family who’s child was in a life or death emergency that you mandated this to, or kick rocks and you won’t see a penny”.

I have a lot of force of personality when it comes to negotiations; I have no intention of being taking advantage of.

gphagan1 said:
Thank God your son is ok…that’s awesome. It’s amazing how resilient kids are, one day it could feel like life or death, 2 days later jumping, dancing, and running like nothing ever happened.
Man, sorry to here about the torn bicep, those are never any fun. It’s a shame too, because everything seems to have been coming along so well. Hopefully your Doctor can get you in to repair it, and recovery won’t take too long.
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I’m assuming there’s nothing useful they will be able to do, with it being the top of it and not a full detachment. But I would love for something to be done about my elbow so I can fully straighten it the final few degrees and curl all the way and be able to incline/overhead press again. My arm not straightening all the way might be ultimately responsible for this tear, honestly. If I need an MRI for that, it could show the bicep situation as well.

I am planning on at least benching still at the meet, and maybe still squat & bench and just pull whatever I can hook safely.

I mean if surgery is actually the right option then yeah I’ll have to pull out and stop the training/blast, but I doubt it at this point.
 
7/18/22

5 min walk
Bird Dogs
Side Planks

Cable Facepulls, Tri Pressdown, Standing Crunch

Squat
45x5
135x3
225,315,365x1
+belt
405,445,475x1

4” Deficit Deadlift
455,495,525x1 PR, bicep tear

Hit an 85% single on free squats as quickly as possible to get some comp practice in with low training impact, and it moved really well. There was supposed to be more training after my PR, dynamic bench & accessories, but none of them seemed like good ideas to attempt when I couldn’t unload my deadlift bar. Will try some benching out tomorrow.
 
Keep your chin up, your son is healthy
 
Mixed bag here for sure. Most importantly glad your mini-me is doing well! Nothing so bad as when your child's health is in question.

I hate to hear about the biceps issue. Just when progress was really picking up. I know you and you will only let this be a speed bump. Good to hear the squats moved well!
 
Oh snap, man! Sorry to hear about the tear. Hope you can get the airlift financials worked out too. But as others have said, main thing to focus on is your son being healthy!
 
Man I tell you guys what, my son is seriously the coolest. His smile is just awesome and he’s at a perfect toddler stage right now where he’s so fun almost all of the time. Wild, but he’s great!

This morning I took 40 minutes to break a sweat & do mobility/rehab work on my arm. I believe I broke up some adhered tissue in my left forearm, did a ton of wrist & bicep stretches, and some very light delt raises throughout to keep my heart rate up. Also tried to stretch my elbow/tricep to lockout, as that really is the contributing issue I believe - because my arm never fully straightens, it overloaded the bicep when it should otherwise be minimally activated. There was honestly some real mobility gained in the curling, none of this was painful, and it appears I have regained mobility to bench with a closer grip without elbow pain, although I only tested this with 30-50lb EZBars. The biggest obstacle seems to be regaining the ability to straighten my arm fully, but I hope the ortho can point me in the right direction next Thursday.

For now, I just want to keep doing bodyweight curls & stretches to flush my bicep frequently in case it is a muscle belly injury and not a tendon issue, since that would be more time sensitive to remodeling.
 
Rough week mate!

Glad to hear your son bounced back so quickly!

Here’s hoping that biceps tear won’t bother you too much in the long run. Maybe it was your body warning you to address that dodgy elbow.
 
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