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Hyde’s Strength Odyssey

Nice work on pushing the weight up! 267+ here you come! Got to love that sick PR on good mornings!
 
Hyde said:
6/30/22
BW 262.2

5 min walk
Bird Dogs
Side Planks

BW Squats, Back Extensions, Cable Pullthrus
2x25 each

Frontsquat
45x5
135,225,275,315x3
+belt
345x3

Legpress
+360,450,540x25

GHR
3x10
1x21 PR

Good Girl Machine
70,110,130x15

Acquiring mass successfully: I am 10lbs heavier than 2 weeks ago on this day.

Pinned 100mg TNE a couple hours or so preWO. I won’t be buying any more. It doesn’t really seem to increase performance noticeably, just raise my heart rate & make me the sweatiest guy in the gym. I wanted 365x3, but something told me to shut it down & move on. Did take a lifetime best on the GHR at this difficulty setting, out of nowhere.
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21 GHRs?!?! Hot damn son
 
SkRaw85 said:
21 GHRs?!?! Hot damn son
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What’s really crazy is how hard they were…I was really toasted after the heavy fronts and high rep legpress, and I just wanted to pull of 5x10 because I knew I couldn’t handle 12s. I was taking long rests, sucking wind & soaked with sweat. When I crawled up for that 4th set, the right song must have come on and I was in so much agony at the thought of doing a 5th set I just decided to try to keep repping until I got 20 or my hamstrings totally gave out.

I was still sore in my hams for 4 days, right into GHRs at the start of yesterday’s lower body training
 
So here’s some interesting drug chat for anyone interested in what other guys back in the day have done with gear cycles when competing at the top of the world level.

Talking with Scott Smith yesterday, he was telling me how initially in the off-season he would take 2 Dbol per day (10mg total). Later he stopped that and switched his cruise to 1cc of test per week. They would take it for 3 weeks, take a week off, then rotate esters. So 3 weeks of sustanon, week off, 3 weeks enanthate, week off, 3 weeks of cypionate. He made it sound like this approach was fairly common in powerlifting. This would have been late 90s early 00s IPF, back when he was competing against Ed Coan and such and everyone wore single ply and they barely drug-tested anyone.

Then when he was 12 weeks out from comp, he would take 3cc each of test & tren per week. It didn’t matter the dosage or ester, whatever he got it was a cc of each on mon/wed/fri. So initially Parabolan at 76mg tren hex/ml, but later on it could be 200mg/ml tren e. The cycle was flat and stayed that dose all 12 weeks up to the meet.

Then, the interesting part to me, was something he got from Fred Hatfield - Dr. Squat, who was both a champion lifter and extremely scientific & methodical about his training and drug use. Fred taught him to wave his orals: he would take a tab each of Dbol (5mg) and Halotestin (10mg) daily for a week. Next week, 2 each per day, and bumped to 3 each daily for a 3rd week. Then 2 weeks of just a half tab each (2.5mg & 5mg, respectively), then 2 weeks totally off them. Repeat once more to peak for the meet.

Example - Dbol & Halo mg
Wk1 5 & 10
Wk2 10 & 20
Wk3 15 & 30
Wk4 2.5 & 5
Wk5 2.5 & 5
Wk6 off
Wk7 off
Wk8 5 & 10
Wk9 10 & 20
Wk10 15 & 30
Wk11 2.5 & 5
Wk12 2.5 & 5, as much as you like on meet day

The highest total he ever did, he used Anadrol instead of Dbol because he couldn’t get ahold of any, and Cheque Drops would be used near comp too if available - assuming you had partners that understood what you were doing when you were just out of your mind with anger. Methyltest was a favorite occasional preWO.

So cruising about 200mg test for months or a true TRT dose of Dbol, then give or take a gram total of test & tren, with orals waved throughout the cycle in the 12 weeks precomp. I was most worried about the frequent use of halotestin on the liver, but it’s been cardiovascular problems like clogged arteries requiring stents that have crept up, not liver issues, for him.
 
Interesting, that’s the first time I’ve heard that protocol. I knew that a lot of power lifters were using anadrol, halotestin, methyl test, and cheque drops back then, but man that had to be hard on their system. I could see Cardiovascular problems and maybe even kidney issues. I’m sure they had a hard time with blood pressure too.
 
Kind of wild, one cc 3 times a week regardless of the mg/ml alongside that oral plan.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Fuggin heroic oral dosing there
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Yeah I said didn’t you have horrible lack of appetite doing Tren and orals for 12 weeks? He said you just get it down anyway, regardless of your hunger. Looking at the determination in his eyes, I could see what made him the elite lifter he was.

gphagan1 said:
Interesting, that’s the first time I’ve heard that protocol. I knew that a lot of power lifters were using anadrol, halotestin, methyl test, and cheque drops back then, but man that had to be hard on their system. I could see Cardiovascular problems and maybe even kidney issues. I’m sure they had a hard time with blood pressure too.
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That’s all I could think of; the bp on that stack for months.

It’s an important point to note that Scott reminded me of when I asked about Hatfield’s oral protocol, was that Tren wasn’t around yet when Hatfield was competing & running his orals that way. If stuff Broderick Chavez says is accurate (who trained as a teenager at the gym with Hatfield & Tom Platz), was that Hatfield ran a modest base of testosterone and used other “more advanced” steroids like Deca & Primo for the bulk of his stack.

Scott also mentioned Ed Coan took a lot of ****, more than himself, allegedly. He didn’t go into details though lol
 
Hyde said:
Yeah I said didn’t you have horrible lack of appetite doing Tren and orals for 12 weeks? He said you just get it down anyway, regardless of your hunger. Looking at the determination in his eyes, I could see what made him the elite lifter he was.



That’s all I could think of; the bp on that stack for months.

It’s an important point to note that Scott reminded me of when I asked about Hatfield’s oral protocol, was that Tren wasn’t around yet when Hatfield was competing & running his orals that way. If stuff Broderick Chavez says is accurate (who trained as a teenager at the gym with Hatfield & Tom Platz), was that Hatfield ran a modest base of testosterone and used other “more advanced” steroids like Deca & Primo for the bulk of his stack.

Scott also mentioned Ed Coan took a lot of ****, more than himself, allegedly. He didn’t go into details though lol
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Man, that would have been an awesome gym. The knowledge those guys were passing around would have been worth your weight in gold. Haven’t seen Tom Platz name in a while… He had the biggest quads I’ve ever seen…..The original Quadzilla.
 
gphagan1 said:
Man, that would have been an awesome gym. The knowledge those guys were passing around would have been worth your weight in gold. Haven’t seen Tom Platz name in a while… He had the biggest quads I’ve ever seen…..The original Quadzilla.
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Tom Platz is the reason I started lifting !!
 
gphagan1 said:
Yep one of the originals or as the kids like
to say OG.
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Yes it bugs the crap out of me, we have a need to shorten everything, we are even to lazy to type OK now it's just K :mad:
 
Rocket3015 said:
Yes it bugs the crap out of me, we have a need to shorten everything, we are even to lazy to type OK now it's just K :mad:
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Yeah seriously - back then, orals were ran for months at a time, and now these kids are lucky to make it 4 weeks before they bail
 
Hyde said:
Yeah I said didn’t you have horrible lack of appetite doing Tren and orals for 12 weeks? He said you just get it down anyway, regardless of your hunger. Looking at the determination in his eyes, I could see what made him the elite lifter he was.



That’s all I could think of; the bp on that stack for months.

It’s an important point to note that Scott reminded me of when I asked about Hatfield’s oral protocol, was that Tren wasn’t around yet when Hatfield was competing & running his orals that way. If stuff Broderick Chavez says is accurate (who trained as a teenager at the gym with Hatfield & Tom Platz), was that Hatfield ran a modest base of testosterone and used other “more advanced” steroids like Deca & Primo for the bulk of his stack.

Scott also mentioned Ed Coan took a lot of ****, more than himself, allegedly. He didn’t go into details though lol
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Only one way to GOAT status….
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Thursday 7th July

The days are ticking by while I enjoy my kids’ time at home from school. Next week will be busy so I’m happy to take this mini holiday. Yesterday I left the office at 10am and we watched minions before I took my boy to a birthday party. There were lots of Dads there from school, six of them belonging to the local rugby club so we played a game of touch with the boys that mutated into a little game of sevens with dads only. It got rough, and all the dads who play were on the on one team being absolute jocks. I was being gentle until I got pincer tackled by two of them, with one of them asking, “are you ok old man?”. I saw red. I could feel every blood vessel in my body dilate at the same time and there was no pain as I picked myself up and returned to the start line. None of these guys are within 30kg of me in BW, and we were playing a backyard where there was nowhere to run, and playing bare foot which gives the heavier guy a massive traction advantage. I might as well have been playing with kids - at one point I picked up one of the dads who tried to tackle me and threw him at another incoming dad. The whole time I was growling and spitting and laughing maniacally. I scored 3 tries and defended against several. We stopped playing once the score was even, it was like a truce lol. Covered in bruises today and right ankle is trashed, but I feel like it was a great chiropractic session - body feels unified.

Good Morning: 60kgx10, 80kgx10, 110kgx10, 120kgx10, 140kgx10 - crippling back pumps here. Had to lie down on the floor

Strict OHP 60kgx10, 80kgx1, 90kgx1, 100kgx no lift - couldn’t get past parallel humerus
Push press: 95kgx1, 100kg 3x1
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Db side lateral raise dropsets 15kg;10kg for 6:8 X4sets

Incline db press 25kg 3x10, 1x16. Allhalf reps: the goal is to build strength off the front rack so only repping the bottom half of the press here.

reverse cable fly 3 plates 3x10 super slow

Seated cable row ‘60’ for 3x14 paused

I’m cooked!
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He done it again 🤣
 
7/6/22
BW 265.2

5 min walk

Cable Curls,Shrugs, Pressdown circuit
33/88/44 4x25 each

Floorpress
45x10
135x5
185,235x3
285,305,325,340,350x1 15lb PR

Widegrip Benchpress
225,255,275,285,295x6

Reverse Pec Deck
70,120x15
140 2x15

Pec Deck
120x50

Speaking of PRs, had a fat one on Floorpress today! Had some Pantera playing and a good energy going this session.

Elbows and knees have been feeling drier/popping last 2-3 days, so it’s time to ditch the Yk11. Mk677 also ran out two nights ago, which makes me feel better about stalling around the 265 mark temporarily. However, I’ll continue run the oral wave thru the week: today I swapped the 25mg of good Var for 40mg of some old untested Var, and dropped the 24mg Yk11 for 25mg Dbol.

Also raised DHB by 50mg today, as I’m 9 weeks out. So weekly oil is now 300 test e, 300 mast e, 150 1-test cyp.
 
Not much longer you got this.
 
Looks like Pantera was the right little mental boost to put you in the “PR” zone.🤘
Your program seems to be going as planned. It’s always a good feeling when Fuel (food), Anabolics, Training, and Mindset all line up.👍

Oh, it was funny Benny logged his day in your log, but it was actually a pretty cool story that I enjoyed. 😂
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Sorry mate! I’m getting too old for this interwebs ****!
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That was still a pretty cool story…..Sometimes us old guys have to throw our weight around to let the youngsters know we still got it. Then the adrenaline wears off and we need a couple of more days of rest and recovery.😎🤕
 
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Hyde said:
7/6/22
BW 265.2

5 min walk

Cable Curls,Shrugs, Pressdown circuit
33/88/44 4x25 each

Floorpress
45x10
135x5
185,235x3
285,305,325,340,350x1 15lb PR

Widegrip Benchpress
225,255,275,285,295x6

Reverse Pec Deck
70,120x15
140 2x15

Pec Deck
120x50

Speaking of PRs, had a fat one on Floorpress today! Had some Pantera playing and a good energy going this session.

Elbows and knees have been feeling drier/popping last 2-3 days, so it’s time to ditch the Yk11. Mk677 also ran out two nights ago, which makes me feel better about stalling around the 265 mark temporarily. However, I’ll continue run the oral wave thru the week: today I swapped the 25mg of good Var for 40mg of some old untested Var, and dropped the 24mg Yk11 for 25mg Dbol.

Also raised DHB by 50mg today, as I’m 9 weeks out. So weekly oil is now 300 test e, 300 mast e, 150 1-test cyp.
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Nice floor press mate. Beast.
 
Hyde said:
Pec Deck
120x50

Elbows and knees have been feeling drier/popping last 2-3 days,
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50 Reps + Holy Cow

Joints Dry = Time To Add Deca
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Nice floor press mate. Beast.
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Thanks! Definitely seems like there’s some positive progress in the bench department based on this.

BennyMagoo79 said:
Yeah first opportunity I’ve had in life to smite a real estate agent with a radiologist.
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This made me laugh so hard!

Everyone has a plan - until they get punched in the mouth, as Mike Tyson said.

Rocket3015 said:
50 Reps + Holy Cow

Joints Dry = Time To Add Deca
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I was pretty happy with that set, considering I was whipped and wasn’t going to do Pec Flyes at all.

I am fairly positive it’s the YK11 that was doing it, based on all the reports of tendon failure on it. And I’ve used everything else in the stack without issue, and my AI use has been stable (12.5mg of Exemestane around the Wed & Saturday testosterone administration, which is 150mg per injection).

I have one vial of Deca left, but every time I use it my noodle starts getting softer in 3-4 weeks. Plus lots of bloat and increase in acne, and the need for Caber. This all at 150-200mg/wk. I am kind of saving it for now in case I get some kind of injury. I could probably avoid the sexual sides with a big increase in Masteron, but now we’re talking another 4-500mg weekly. Idk; it’s crossed my mind, but I’m already on 3 oils as it is.
 
jtmass said:
Is it the same with NPP as well? Weak noodle is because Deca is a longer ester?
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I’ve never used NPP. Everyone makes it sound like it’s better, as long as you don’t mind a few more shots (I don’t).

Anecdotally, I have heard more sexual dysfunction stories regarding deca, compared to NPP.
 
7/7/22
BW 263.2

6 min walk
Bird Dogs
Side Planks

BW Squats, Reverse Hypers, Seated Leg Curls
BW/140/doubled miniband 2x25 each

Yukon Bar Dynamic Boxsquat (14”)
+ 105 chain
65x5
155,225x3
275x2
305 8x2

It rained heavily today, so the humidity in the garage was extreme during training - with 2 big fans on me I completely soaked through my sleeveless tee. Didn’t even pretend to attempt more accessory after squats when I was so dehydrated (after 64oz intra with 50-60g HBCD & a gram of salt). This was my birthday, and I really enjoyed jamming out in the garage while squatting after work, after going to a big lunch with my family earlier. A great day to be alive, and God willing I’m looking forward to the next 32 years!

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Happy birthday!
 
Happy Birthday Just a note Birthday Cake is Anabolic !!
 
Day 14 of Oral Push
BW 265.0

Thanks everyone for the birthday wishes!

I’ve concluded that Dbol immediately destroys my gut health. Only made it a couple days on it and it immediately started giving me heartburn, killed my appetite, constantly felt full eating less food (like my gut motility had shut down & nothing was digesting normally). Bodyweight dropped from 265.2 to 263, then 262 yesterday, when I pulled the plug. Consumed no orals all day & never experienced the heartburn, indigestion or total lack of appetite the Dbol had caused. Ate like it was my job and woke at 265.0 again. Dbol caused me this issue the last time I used it within about 5 days, with no other orals.

Instead, @Rocket3015 made a point & his argument won out. Pinned 600mg/2.4ml of deca in my left VG to frontload it. Frontloading is a terrible growth strategy, but in this context the purpose is to hopefully get the joint support faster (some clinicians have HRT patients frontload deca around 400mg specifically when being used for joint relief) as well as serve as a total mg taper to help hold recent gains from the oral push (the high exposure increased androgen receptor count too, making gear more efficient afterwards for a while). Plus it sets the vial up to run out near the meet if I use it at 200-250/wk here on.

Also took 40mg Var before bed last night without issue, and probably will through the weekend to continue to promote joint repair.

This concludes the big oral push, but I might keep eating hard this week to see if I can yet hit 270. Shame I’m out of Mk, because that would surely do it.
 
Good to see you are head back in the right direction! I have yet to find anything that curbs my hunger, maybe I should try Dbol ?
 
Rocket3015 said:
Good to see you are head back in the right direction! I have yet to find anything that curbs my hunger, maybe I should try Dbol ?
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Choline supplementation definitely curbs mine, as does ephedrine, and caffeine to a degree.

Anadrol definitely kills my appetite (why I have been taking before bed), but all orals lower it in time. But the more tough on the liver, the faster they kill my hunger. Dbol is actually causing me indigestion & heartburn.
 
Happy belated birthday!
 
Hyde said:
7/6/22
So weekly oil is now 300 test e, 300 mast e, 150 1-test cyp.
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Question. I’ve read the online data, but to YOU:

1. what’s the biggest difference between test e and cyp?

2. Why do you do both, and;

3. Why choose double of one (e) over the other?
 
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