How's the Havoc treating you? Can you comment on differences from your personal experience with epistane? Or will that cause trouble. I'm just very curious to the differences between the 2 beside the theoretical blabla.
Thanks!!
Well, whether it causes trouble or not, I will give you my true comparative opinion. Of course it is only subjective, but it is nonetheless honest:
Strength - Havoc is equal to Epi in the strength department. I enjoyed steady strength gains. Each w/o showed improvement. This is the main thing I look for in a supp. I can put up with a lot of sides, as long as I am getting stronger!
Libido - With Havoc, libido was neutral at best. Epi definitely had a positive support in this area though. This is somewhat variable and depends on the person to a certain extent. For example, I have talked to some that claim Superdrol made them a beast in the bedroom, and others that say they barely thought about sex the whole time they were on, so I guess it's hard to say for certain until you try for yourself.
Mood - This category was dramatically different between Havoc and Epi. I was far more negative on Havoc. I was still focused in the gym and it certainly didn't hurt my training, but my mood was generally irritable and aggressive. Epi makes me focused too but has an exceptional anti-depressant effect with a great resilience to anger, even when provoked, so the contrast was striking in this particular area.
Sides - One side I got on Epi was acne. I had no joint problems, nosebleeds, bloat or gynecological concers with either. Havoc cause some acne too, but not until I reached my highest dose (50mg/d). There seems to be some stomach upset and sometimes headaches with Havoc, but it was not frequent and not bad, if that relationship even existed. Could have just been my allergies or something, so who knows. It was not bad enough to demonstrate a clear association.
Suppression - Not dramatic with Havoc, but certainly more and faster shutdown than with Epi. This may suggest that Havoc is slightly more androgenic mg/mg. I quit the cycle last Sunday (5 days ago now) and am showing rapid recovery though, so that's a plus, though I was only on about 2wks before I quit.
Gyno - Not sure. I didn't have gyno with Havoc when I started so I can't judge it's comparative effects. It certainly did not promote gyno or cause any soreness in that area.
Aesthetics - This was good. Just like strength, it was about equal to Epi. Vascularity was not quite as good, but fat loss, muscle density and overall physical appearance were roughly equal to Epi.
