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How to keep estrogen high enough?

klbsa

klbsa

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So I'm an old man now (45) and I am looking to do one or two mild cycles a year of things like primo and var...... I recover VERY quickly from them without losing what I gain. With Test? Not so much...... The recovery is literally months.

I realize that the gear I am looking to do don't aromatize much if any..... If I took a single 10mg dbol before workouts (5 days a week) would the aromatization from that much dbol be enough to give me adequate E levels on var and/or primo?
 
It's a coin toss. I know a guy that does dbol/primo cycles and when he's not on testosterone he needs 50mg dbol per day alongside 800-1000primo.

Now maybe if your primo dose was only 300-400 you might be able to pull of 10mg dbol for estrogen.
 
I actually think there was a recent podcast where Dorian Yates says dbol/primo is his favorite cycle
 
Renew1 said:
Apex-Alchemy has Hyperion, and it is a Great product!
But just curious how many of you would be interested in Apex offering a DHEA only TD?
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While I think TD DHEA is nice and I have used before, I don't really see a reason or situation why I would choose plain DHEA over Hyperion myself.
 
klbsa said:
So I'm an old man now (45) and I am looking to do one or two mild cycles a year of things like primo and var...... I recover VERY quickly from them without losing what I gain. With Test? Not so much...... The recovery is literally months.

I realize that the gear I am looking to do don't aromatize much if any..... If I took a single 10mg dbol before workouts (5 days a week) would the aromatization from that much dbol be enough to give me adequate E levels on var and/or primo?
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Have you tried using Test suspension or TNE? Just saying it shouldn't take you months to recover when you have test in the mix. Since your 45 it would be wise to start thinking about HRT and stop playing around with mild cycles where you have to PCT and send your hormones up and down.

Just my 2 cents. Otherwise if your really stuck on leaving Test out of the equation then 4 andro would be your best option. Dbol/ Trest will aromatize but to my knowledge only into 17a-methylestradiol
 
I remember reading back in the day that oral DHEA converts at a higher rate than TD but not sure if that was Broscience or just regarding the fact it gets into the system in a spike as opposed to absorbing over time.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I remember reading back in the day that oral DHEA converts at a higher rate than TD but not sure if that was Broscience or just regarding the fact it gets into the system in a spike as opposed to absorbing over time.
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From the things that I've read, oral DHEA converts at a higher rate To Estrogen than TD does. And conversely, TD converts at a higher rate to Testosterone than oral does.
 
Renew1 said:
From the things that I've read, oral DHEA converts at a higher rate To Estrogen than TD does. And conversely, TD converts at a higher rate to Testosterone than oral does.
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I also think transdermal location plays a role too?

Traps and clavicle are more testosterone conversion, testicles and the surrounding area more dht, abdominal and high fat areas more estrogen.... Or is that all bro lore
 
Smont said:
I also think transdermal location plays a role too?

Traps and clavicle are more testosterone conversion, testicles and the surrounding area more dht, abdominal and high fat areas more estrogen.... Or is that all bro lore
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There is truth to it, I believe.
I think I've seen Nos talking about it.
But if I remember correctly, one (at least) of the studies I read, they were actually applying the TD DHEA to the abdomen area, when they observed the higher Test for TD vs higher Estro for oral.
So my takeaway was that the mode of DHEA introduction seemed to be more important than the area of the TD application.
 
ugsavage said:
Have you tried using Test suspension or TNE? Just saying it shouldn't take you months to recover when you have test in the mix. Since your 45 it would be wise to start thinking about HRT and stop playing around with mild cycles where you have to PCT and send your hormones up and down.

Just my 2 cents. Otherwise if your really stuck on leaving Test out of the equation then 4 andro would be your best option. Dbol/ Trest will aromatize but to my knowledge only into 17a-methylestradiol
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You are right that dbol aromatizes into basically a synthetic estrogenic compound...... I wonder how much sublingual DHEA I would have to take to get my E levels to acceptable place?
 
Yeah I remember seeing the TD DHEA would go more estro on inside of thighs, and that it was more test / andro conversion on the upper shoulders and back. Either way I heard oral was definitely a good way to get the job done if you need some estrogen. Plus it is pretty darn cheap.

I would start with 50mg a day and adjust from there.
 
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