how much t3 for the first cycle?
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Hey Doc do you think any Research brand of T3 Is good or is there a good one out there?
How would one cycle T3 Once only dosage? Also can you cheat sometimes on T3? Since it is so catabolic?
would using superdrol help with saving muscle? Or should i drop it? because superdrol adds to much water weight.
Oh also T3 works the moment you use it correct?
How would one cycle T3 Once only dosage? Also can you cheat sometimes on T3? Since it is so catabolic?
would using superdrol help with saving muscle? Or should i drop it? because superdrol adds to much water weight.
Oh also T3 works the moment you use it correct?
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I use T4 these days, but I do see that IBE has T3 pretty cheap. I haven't tried his personally, but you might start there. Take the whole dose on an empty stomach at least 1hr before food. I set my morning alarm 1hr early to take it, then get up to shower and eat an hr after that. You gain water on SD?! That's interesting. I'd still use it, T3 is very catabolic at 50-75mics/day. You can eat above average (cheat) and still lose weight if you're training hard and frequently, but an anabolic is needed if you wanna burn serious fat and still hold your muscle. It usually starts working very fast alright, like within 12hrs you can start to feel a dose. Start at 12.5-25mic's/day and work up using the same increments about every 7-10days. It can be cardiotoxic so take it slow! Stay hydrated and expect a big libido bump initially.
I use T4 these days, but I do see that IBE has T3 pretty cheap. I haven't tried his personally, but you might start there. Take the whole dose on an empty stomach at least 1hr before food. I set my morning alarm 1hr early to take it, then get up to shower and eat an hr after that. You gain water on SD?! That's interesting. I'd still use it, T3 is very catabolic at 50-75mics/day. You can eat above average (cheat) and still lose weight if you're training hard and frequently, but an anabolic is needed if you wanna burn serious fat and still hold your muscle. It usually starts working very fast alright, like within 12hrs you can start to feel a dose. Start at 12.5-25mic's/day and work up using the same increments about every 7-10days. It can be cardiotoxic so take it slow! Stay hydrated and expect a big libido bump initially.
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Boss_K said:
It binds with proteins in the gut that render it inactive. Plus, it's such a small dose, it can actually get "lost" in certain types of vegetable matter/fiberous foods. 1hr before or 4hrs after food is standard for max oral absorbtion. Also, take it at the same time every day no matter when you decide that should be.
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DR.D said:
On a oral syringe how can i take it instead of the pump it saids here
"The concentration 125 mcg/ml and the bottle contains 30 ml. Measuring for research is simplified as the pump dispensor works out to about 1 pump per 25 MCG's."
on a syringe how much does 25mcg equal?
t_dot_porkchop
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hey dr. d
when taking a higher dose of cytomel (like 75mcg ED), should you take the whole dose at once on an empty stomach? that seems high to me....
when taking a higher dose of cytomel (like 75mcg ED), should you take the whole dose at once on an empty stomach? that seems high to me....
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Boss_K said:
Not once you're adjusted to it. Just take a few weeks to feel good with it and ramp up very slowly. It will increase pulse rate but that's something you can accommodate if you take your time. Remember to drop the dose back down and basically start over when you switch to the empty stomach protocol. It'll be like night and day. I take mine in the AM all in one dose and it's perfectly effective. T3 has a 2.5 day half-life! That means you only need to take it once a day. Theoretically, you could dose EOD and be just fine, so it's pointless to dose more than once a day. What happens is that you end up wasting most of the second dose because you've already eatten that day. Just make sure your stomach is empty and do it all in the morning. Give it a try and you'll see. I've been taking thyroid hormones for the last 13 years!
t_dot_porkchop
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thanks dr d.....all in dose makes sense!
another Q: are the T3-shits a reality or just over-exagerated?
another Q: are the T3-shits a reality or just over-exagerated?
Poobah
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I find it over exaggerated, If anything for me they are like a thick sort of pordge that just sort of falls out of my ass.... but that cleared up too after about a week during my first run... So far this cycle, I haven't really had that problem, I'm still ramping up though... I do feel it stirring occasionally though.
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t_dot_porkchop said:
Yeah, Poobah is correct. It's highly variable from person to person, but over time you adjust to the sides. I never had an issue really with that one. My libido goes sky high the first month though! Also, I sometimes get this weird roaring sensation in my head if I ramp the dose too fast. Just take it slow.
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DR.D,
I've never had a problem with ramping up quickly. However, I don't disagree with your advice.
How often do you take/monitor your BBT? I take mine each morning upon waking.
Also, if the temp. is still within a normal range (~98.6), do you still feel 50mcg's is as catabolic as you say? I didn't notice any LBM losses while I was at 50mcg's my last run...
I've never had a problem with ramping up quickly. However, I don't disagree with your advice.
How often do you take/monitor your BBT? I take mine each morning upon waking.
Also, if the temp. is still within a normal range (~98.6), do you still feel 50mcg's is as catabolic as you say? I didn't notice any LBM losses while I was at 50mcg's my last run...
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Blown_SC said:
I often get chest pains as the biggest issue if I ramp too fast. I don’t usually go catabolic at 50, but will at 75 I’m not doing something to support anabolism and eating frequently enough. Everyone is different and the advice I give is designed only as a guide. I don’t what to see someone get hurt, and T3 and clen are two of the ones that you could really mess up with if you don’t play it safe. I just recommend starting slow and get to know the lower doses first before you crank it up. I don’t monitor my temp anymore except when I’m “experimenting� with something else simultaneously. I generally use waking pulse rate to gauge my doses.
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mb27 said:
Not according to the Smith Kline Beecham monograph for Cytomel in the current PDR. The biological t1/2 is 2.5 days.
A word of advice friend, don't trust doctors 100%. I learned years ago that you must become your own doc because that's the best chance you've got to get healthy! 99% of docs don't have experience with the kind of supps and combos we use, they are amazingly clueless. I'd trust the manufacturer’s data here, plus my own personal experience has verified the longer half-life. It can get scary in about 4hrs if you overdose this stuff, and last well over 36hrs.
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Blown_SC
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You know, we always hear about how catabolic T3 is... but at low doses (I'm at 35mcg right now), as long as you keep your temp. reasonable, and consume enough protein (At the bare minimum 1.5g/lb of BW)... most of the "LBM Losses" people notice are from the depleted glycogen effects.... just an observation from personal use...DR.D said:
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Blown_SC said:
I agree totally! When I started chronic thyroid use, I switched from T3 to T4. I take 200-275mcg (depending on the time of year) and it not only keeps my total cholesterol nice and low, but I heal from injuries twice as fast. Not only that, I detox very quickly and have a lower tendency toward depression. As long as you do as you said and get enough protein, your turn-over stays positive. Years of anabolic use can blunt thyroid output. I tell people all the time that it's a good addition if they do it right. I suspect many are borderline hypo and just don't know it.
kwyckemynd00
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I've talked to quite a few advanced competitors who keep T3 in their stack at almost all times at low doses. They all swear by it....DR.D said:
Dr. Jones
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I'm interested in this approach myself, as I've heard that low dose T3 use (12.5mcg - 25mcg ED) will not shut down your thyroid, and also ups protein synthesis and assists with slight fat burning without depleting glycogen stores and leaving your muscles flat. Has anyone else heard of this or had personal experience?kwyckemynd00 said:
DR.D
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Jeff said:
It's all about the same. Only the dose changes with all these different forms. The greatest advantage in T4 is in suppression and overdose. T4 has a buffered effect, so it's much more forgiving in an overdose situation. T4 is also the least suppressive of them all so it's better for long term use.
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DR.D said:
I totally get what you are saying. My info came from the body's natural thyroid hormone T3, not the med cytomel which is the synthetic form as you know. I suffered from a very severe hyperthyroid last year which ripped off over 50lbs from me. My resting heart rate was in the 150s and I was put on beta blockers. Thankfully my levels are in the mid normal range now. Maybe that was what my endo was refering to.
mjfit06
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i just did a serch and this has alot of info i was looking for i have a bottle of t3 and have been taking 25mcg for a week and dont think im going to go higher than 50 mcg. after its gone i have a bottle of t4 what should my dose of t4 be when i switch. also i am on hexarol ang igf1 will this help with muscel loss