How long have you been on TRT?

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I am on for 6 years.

Shrunken balls, prostate pain, liver stress.

150mg per week.

I am coming out, 25mg clomifen ED, 5~10mg Cialis ED, Laxogenin 100mg ED, Tukesterone 200mg ED, ARA 500mg PWO, Creatine, this is my PCT, loving it.
Were you on Test Cypionate intramuscular?

Never heard of this causing liver stress
 
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Were you on Test Cypionate intramuscular?

Never heard of this causing liver stress
Actually it causes on many individuals. Just google it and u gonna see.

im gonna lay low for a while, i am keeping my lbs. so everything is fine.

Ill do some bloods in about one or two months and see how my liver is.
 
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@Rocket3015 have you ever had an issue with elevated SHBG? Or anyone else in this thread for that matter...

I am still waiting on some bloodwork to check mine, but it seems relatively common for those on TRT...
No problems with SHBG ....
 
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Actually it causes on many individuals. Just google it and u gonna see.

im gonna lay low for a while, i am keeping my lbs. so everything is fine.

Ill do some bloods in about one or two months and see how my liver is.
What were your total T and free T levels when your liver readings were elevated?

Also what was your E2?
 
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Do most people on this board goto Men's TRT clinics or primary doctor?

My insurance makes me get a referral for an endocrinologist or urologist. And it's been like pulling teeth to get anywhere.
 
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Do most people on this board goto Men's TRT clinics or primary doctor?

My insurance makes me get a referral for an endocrinologist or urologist. And it's been like pulling teeth to get anywhere.
Find an integrative medicine practice.
 
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Family Doctor!
If your family dr is up on the latest TRT practice, then you’re very lucky. Most family dr’s will give you androgel and send you on your way with no follow-ups and no other labs.
 
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If your family dr is up on the latest TRT practice, then you’re very lucky. Most family dr’s will give you androgel and send you on your way with no follow-ups and no other labs.
Mine family doc didnt hesitate to give me some test cyp, but his protocol ideas are outdated. I'm attempting to ask for things a little at a time to groom into a good trt doc...haha
 
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Mine family doc didnt hesitate to give me some test cyp, but his protocol ideas are outdated. I'm attempting to ask for things a little at a time to groom into a good trt doc...haha
Basically what I did. I basically said yes to whatever he wanted to do, dosed it how I wanted and thought was best after researching thoroughly and then when I got my labs done and he was pleased with the levels, I broke the news on how I was actually administering and he was pleasantly surprised and said “I guess I have some research to do”
 
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Best thing about my Family Dr. he screwed up my last script and gave me 6 refills rather than the 2 I should have gotten !!
 
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Basically what I did. I basically said yes to whatever he wanted to do, dosed it how I wanted and thought was best after researching thoroughly and then when I got my labs done and he was pleased with the levels, I broke the news on how I was actually administering and he was pleasantly surprised and said “I guess I have some research to do”
Haha nice.
 
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Best thing about my Family Dr. he screwed up my last script and gave me 6 refills rather than the 2 I should have gotten !!
Excellent.

There is a well respected TRT clinic nearby that charges around $250 a month, but they dont take my insurance.

So, I am going to put a little work in with the family doc and zero copays. Especially since at least I'm already in the test cyp.
 
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Excellent.

There is a well respected TRT clinic nearby that charges around $250 a month, but they dont take my insurance.

So, I am going to put a little work in with the family doc and zero copays. Especially since at least I'm already in the test cyp.
That sounds like a good plan that won't break the bank.
 
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5 years - no way stopping ever, lol. all health markers great at age 50+. cardio or weights every day - 98% "clean" diet = great health.

52mg every other day (averages to 180mg/week but allows not to need any AI) <--- this new protocol being done due to negative health impacts of AI's in males, as work done by Dr. Rousier show. Dr.s Kominiarek and Nichols already started doing this way - Dr. Crisler (RIP) was last hold-out, but he too was going to start dropping AI with his patients too, after trying on self. Anecdotally with me, no AI helped tremendously with tendons/ligaments - can stretch way further now - test for me was the stretch where it kind of indian-style but soles touching - and you try to press knees to floor. before trt (AI) knees go all the way down... after AI knees well off floor and pain when trying... off AI and knees back down to floor. Dr. Kominiarek have DEXA in office - he see bad bone density loss in 40+ men on AI.
so is there no healthy level of AI ?
 
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What were your total T and free T levels when your liver readings were elevated?

Also what was your E2?
Total T was around a thousand and free test was above normal levels but i dont remember numbers unfortunately

E2 was in place, but i was taking A.I, when i dont it gets slightly elevated like 6.0 on a maximum of 5.0 for men
 
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Total T was around a thousand and free test was above normal levels but i dont remember numbers unfortunately

E2 was in place, but i was taking A.I, when i dont it gets slightly elevated like 6.0 on a maximum of 5.0 for men
What E2 test are you taking? Usually the test most guys get has a different scale. On the test I’m referring to, the range to be in the is the low 20’s.

Also, having your total T and free T at a high level as yours was could be an issue. Not everyone does well in the upper levels. More definitely isn’t better when it comes to TRT. Maybe try to lower your T levels and it may help.
 
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I ended up going to the TRT clinic near my home today.

The doctor was pretty shocked how low my total T was from my bloodwork a month back. He did a bunch more bloodwork today, and I may begin treatment next week.

He seemed concerned about possible pituitary problems, and he is checking my prolactin. He said elevated prolactin can be a sign of a pituitary problem.
 
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I ended up going to the TRT clinic near my home today.

The doctor was pretty shocked how low my total T was from my bloodwork a month back. He did a bunch more bloodwork today, and I may begin treatment next week.

He seemed concerned about possible pituitary problems, and he is checking my prolactin. He said elevated prolactin can be a sign of a pituitary problem.

The only thing I will caution is Those Clinic Soul Purpose is to MAKE MONEY !!
 
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The only thing I will caution is Those Clinic Soul Purpose is to MAKE MONEY !!
I disagree somewhat... I know they are there to make money, but the doctor was very upfront about everythibg and much more knowledgeable than my primary care doctor.

He even suggested I work with him for a couple months to get my hormones in order, and then return to my primary care doctor. At that point, I can explain the protocol that is working, and see if my doctor will be in board.

I have a good feeling my primary doctor will be on board. He didnt hesitate to prescribe the test cyp. He means well, just doesn't have to level of expertise I need right now.

Also, I dont know if I would have been able to convince my doctor to order all of the labs im getting done at the clinic, and only for $100.
 
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I disagree somewhat... I know they are there to make money, but the doctor was very upfront about everythibg and much more knowledgeable than my primary care doctor.

He even suggested I work with him for a couple months to get my hormones in order, and then return to my primary care doctor. At that point, I can explain the protocol that is working, and see if my doctor will be in board.

I have a good feeling my primary doctor will be on board. He didnt hesitate to prescribe the test cyp. He means well, just doesn't have to level of expertise I need right now.

Also, I dont know if I would have been able to convince my doctor to order all of the labs im getting done at the clinic, and only for $100.

Good, Glad you found someone you feel comfortable working with !!
 
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I disagree somewhat... I know they are there to make money, but the doctor was very upfront about everythibg and much more knowledgeable than my primary care doctor.

He even suggested I work with him for a couple months to get my hormones in order, and then return to my primary care doctor. At that point, I can explain the protocol that is working, and see if my doctor will be in board.

I have a good feeling my primary doctor will be on board. He didnt hesitate to prescribe the test cyp. He means well, just doesn't have to level of expertise I need right now.

Also, I dont know if I would have been able to convince my doctor to order all of the labs im getting done at the clinic, and only for $100.

Good, Glad you found someone you feel comfortable working with !!
 
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Good, Glad you found someone you feel comfortable working with !!
Thanks man.

I'm just really hoping I dont have some sort of pituitary problem. The doctor seemed pretty concerned with my test level at the age of 33...

Especially, since I have only run one prohormone cycle about 10 years ago, and i did PCT. So it would be hard to believe that messed up my endocrine system.
 
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Thanks man.

I'm just really hoping I dont have some sort of pituitary problem. The doctor seemed pretty concerned with my test level at the age of 33...

Especially, since I have only run one prohormone cycle about 10 years ago, and i did PCT. So it would be hard to believe that messed up my endocrine system.

I think you will be fine!!
 
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Thanks man.

I'm just really hoping I dont have some sort of pituitary problem. The doctor seemed pretty concerned with my test level at the age of 33...

Especially, since I have only run one prohormone cycle about 10 years ago, and i did PCT. So it would be hard to believe that messed up my endocrine system.

I think you will be fine!!
 
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What E2 test are you taking? Usually the test most guys get has a different scale. On the test I’m referring to, the range to be in the is the low 20’s.

Also, having your total T and free T at a high level as yours was could be an issue. Not everyone does well in the upper levels. More definitely isn’t better when it comes to TRT. Maybe try to lower your T levels and it may help.
Anastrozol 0.5mg, Monday, Thursday ... Great stuff, my E2 was 2.5 last blood
 
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so is there no healthy level of AI ?
Not according to the three doctors above. There YouTube channel called TOT revolution I think, with Jay guy as host. He kind of used car salesman like, but has doctors on that are tops in field. Just got mt bloodwork back: Old protocol: 90mg every 3.5 days w/ .5mg anastrozole each time - E2 mid-upper 30s each time. New protocol with NO AI - E2 at 35. It works (for me at least).
 
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Not according to the three doctors above. There YouTube channel called TOT revolution I think, with Jay guy as host. He kind of used car salesman like, but has doctors on that are tops in field. Just got mt bloodwork back: Old protocol: 90mg every 3.5 days w/ .5mg anastrozole each time - E2 mid-upper 30s each time. New protocol with NO AI - E2 at 35. It works (for me at least).
What u mean not healthy?

Anyways, i stopped TRT, gotta problens with E2 every once in a while, so i had to take it, otherwise got pain in my nipples, lol
 
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2 years. Only about 6 months at actual TRT does. ;)
 
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What will running an oral steroid or prohormone on trt do to your bloodwork?

I know a lot of people time oral cycles according to trt bloodwork; in order to avoid issues with TRT doc.

The idea of being to run an occasional oral cycle without the need for PCT is very intriguing to me...
 
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What will running an oral steroid or prohormone on trt do to your bloodwork?

I know a lot of people time oral cycles according to trt bloodwork; in order to avoid issues with TRT doc.

The idea of being to run an occasional oral cycle without the need for PCT is very intriguing to me...
You just don't want your number to far out of wack when your Dr. looks at your blood work.
 
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What u mean not healthy?

Anyways, i stopped TRT, gotta problens with E2 every once in a while, so i had to take it, otherwise got pain in my nipples, lol
well one 'not healthy' thing, was bone mineral loss in 40 yo men, shown via dexa. showed level of 80 yo. did you watch dr. rouzier's vids? all in there. obviously, if you have breast tissue sensitivity even when doing small amount every day (therapeutic level, not cray high 1300 or something) and not fat (aromatase) - then you have to take AI - but try not to if possible - is the current advice from the leaders in the field.
 
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well one 'not healthy' thing, was bone mineral loss in 40 yo men, shown via dexa. showed level of 80 yo. did you watch dr. rouzier's vids? all in there. obviously, if you have breast tissue sensitivity even when doing small amount every day (therapeutic level, not cray high 1300 or something) and not fat (aromatase) - then you have to take AI - but try not to if possible - is the current advice from the leaders in the field.
Thats Crazy, but ye, i always only took it when i had sore nipples.

Clomid is okey though? Cause i take it 25mg ED, i intend to do this for 2 months at least. If i am patience enough, cause i hate it.
 

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