Homemade preworkout

scroll41

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Hey everyone. I am trying some different things in my own pre workout. Hoping i can get some improvements on my stack!!

Ag sulfate 1g
Dmae 400mg
Alpha gpc 200mg
Tyrosine 2g
Alcar 1g
Theanine 300mg
Caffeine 250 mg

Any tweaks you guys suggest?
 
This is always a fun idea.

Curious how u respond to Theanine and what ur reasoning is for adding it. I use it once in a blue moon as a sleep aide personally.
 
scroll41 said:
Hey everyone. I am trying some different things in my own pre workout. Hoping i can get some improvements on my stack!!

Ag sulfate 1g
Dmae 400mg
Alpha gpc 200mg
Tyrosine 2g
Alcar 1g
Theanine 300mg
Caffeine 250 mg

Any tweaks you guys suggest?
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I personally like more for pumps in my preworkouts. I like your nootopics, definitely an area I don't often cover with mine. I like 200-300 caffieine, 6g l citrulline, a nice amount of vegetable glycerin (I just squueze in)lol, 2g l tyrosine, 25g karbolyn, 2.5g taurine, 1 g agmatine, and sometimes 25mg ephedrine.

Then I do an intra with 50-100g karbolyn, 15-20g EAAs, 25 -50g whey hydrolosate (depending on diet), 10g l glutamine, 5g creatine, 2.5 betaine, 2.5g taurine, 6g beta alanine(on and off), more vegetable glycerin, 50-100mg caffiene (depending on dose of stims preworkout), some Crystal light for flavoring.

Some things I've been using that might try to incorporate more: peak02 xtend perform is an awesome product with excellent flavoring.

I really want to try out teacrine.
 
Something I feel helps with strength is Creatinol O Phosphate. I think it really helps strength endurance. Also, do you already take creatine and betaine anhydrous?
 
EMPIREMIND said:
I personally like more for pumps in my preworkouts. I like your nootopics, definitely an area I don't often cover with mine. I like 200-300 caffieine, 6g l citrulline, a nice amount of vegetable glycerin (I just squueze in)lol, 2g l tyrosine, 25g karbolyn, 2.5g taurine, 1 g agmatine, and sometimes 25mg ephedrine.
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Bro thanks for nootropics compliment. I'm trying to make it cost effective as I have some friends who want to buy from me (buying in bulk cause God knows brand name supplements are way over priced).

I do plan to put 4g of citruline Malate. Probably gonna put glutamine in my protein. I'll probably add taurine in for myself (not in the stack I'm selling to my noob buddies lol)

Gonna use creatine and beta alanine in my post workout with my BCAA

Got my own flavoring system ����
 
celc5 said:
This is always a fun idea.

Curious how u respond to Theanine and what ur reasoning is for adding it
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It's supposed to cancel out negative effects of caffeine. I may use less of it actually. It's supposed it's supposed to be 2:1 caffeine ration, from what I remember. But I feel this is too much
 
scroll41 said:
A good pre workout. Focus and intensity
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scroll41 said:
Yes sirr. 4g is added. May bump 2 6g later
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I always like 6.

For intensity, maybe look to increase the caffeine a little bit? Otherwise, for focus, it looks like it should do the trick as is currently. Since you already are going to take the BA and creatine post workout, the above looks decent to me. Personally, I prefer BA pre or intra with the feeling I get from it.
 
compan said:
I always like 6.

For intensity, maybe look to increase the caffeine a little bit? Otherwise, for focus, it looks like it should do the trick as is currently. Since you already are going to take the BA and creatine post workout, the above looks decent to me. Personally, I prefer BA pre or intra with the feeling I get from it.
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Yeah I may order more cit Malate in bulk to get a cheaper cost and use 6g. You get a feeling other than tingly skin? Lol

I may try 275 or 300mg of caffeine
 
scroll41 said:
No I am using citruline Malate
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very different dosing needed for citrulline malate than l-citrulline.

citrulline malate (1:1...which is what it is unless noted otherwise) is 56.6% citrulline if bonded, and only 50% if non-bonded (unfortunately often the case).

Citrulline malate 2:1 is 72.32% citrulline if bonded, and only 66% if non-bonded.


This means in order to reach the 4-6g L-Citrulline goal, you need to take significantly more than 4-6g
 
scroll41 said:
Bro thanks for nootropics compliment. I'm trying to make it cost effective as I have some friends who want to buy from me (buying in bulk cause God knows brand name supplements are way over priced).

I do plan to put 4g of citruline Malate. Probably gonna put glutamine in my protein. I'll probably add taurine in for myself (not in the stack I'm selling to my noob buddies lol)

Gonna use creatine and beta alanine in my post workout with my BCAA

Got my own flavoring system ����
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SNS has high quality bulk supplements if you wanted to go a trusted brand route.
 
scroll41 said:
Yeah I may order more cit Malate in bulk to get a cheaper cost and use 6g. You get a feeling other than tingly skin? Lol

I may try 275 or 300mg of caffeine
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It's the tingly skin, which usually goes away after saturation, but I'm terribly inconsistent sometimes so it seems I always get the tingles.
 
VaughnTrue said:
very different dosing needed for citrulline malate than l-citrulline.

citrulline malate (1:1...which is what it is unless noted otherwise) is 56.6% citrulline if bonded, and only 50% if non-bonded (unfortunately often the case).

Citrulline malate 2:1 is 72.32% citrulline if bonded, and only 66% if non-bonded.


This means in order to reach the 4-6g L-Citrulline goal, you need to take significantly more than 4-6g
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I am using citruline Malate 2:1

Do you recommend l citruline over cit mal 2:1?

I thought it was pretty well known that cit Malate was superior to l cit
 
scroll41 said:
I am using citruline Malate 2:1

Do you recommend l citruline over cit mal 2:1?

I thought it was pretty well known that cit Malate was superior to l cit
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I disagree STRONGLY that L-Citrulline is inferior to Citrulline Malate.

Think about it, Citrulline Malate is Citrulline + Malic acid. That means the beneficial aspects of it are due to the L-Citrulline because Malic acid is not exactly a proven ergogen.

This means a more pure Citrulline source > than a less pure Citrulline source.


IF your 2:1 Cit Malate is bonded, you have 72.32% L-Citrulline (however I would bet my left nut it's actually 66%) which means if you want 4g of Citrulline you need to take ~6g. And if you want the suggested 6g L-Citrulline you'd need 8.5g


L-Citrulline > Cit Malate 24/7
 
I use Modern BCAA with 3G HMB-CA, 3G Hydromax, 6g L-Cit, 100mg caffeine, 24mg Ephedrine, 4mg Alpha Yohimbine.

Great energy and pump. Plus I do 18/6 IF and train fasted in AM.

You have pretty nice nootropic additions though
 
scroll41 said:
Thanks bro dmae is on the way. Should be here Thursday..

Modern bcaa is naaaaasty lol

Hydromax=glycerol??
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Several bulk sellers sell hydromax. I picked some up for pretty cheap.

Currently using Pink Lemonade Modern BCAA. Tastes like crystal light lol. Great in my book.
 
VaughnTrue said:
very different dosing needed for citrulline malate than l-citrulline.

citrulline malate (1:1...which is what it is unless noted otherwise) is 56.6% citrulline if bonded, and only 50% if non-bonded (unfortunately often the case).

Citrulline malate 2:1 is 72.32% citrulline if bonded, and only 66% if non-bonded.


This means in order to reach the 4-6g L-Citrulline goal, you need to take significantly more than 4-6g
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From what I read citruline helps with pumps and cit Malate helps with strength
 
VaughnTrue said:
most people only take a few grams. I am a fan of the ingredient, but it is not necessary whatsoever.
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Well at this point my pre workout has a decent focus and energy stack. I have ag sulfate for pumps. Maybe I should lower ag sulfate and add some glycerol to get the best pump?
 
scroll41 said:
Is hydromax just glycerol?
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GMS (Glycerol Mono Sterate), HydroMax and Vegetable Glycerine are all in essence the same. VG is a sweet syrup, cheap and helps if you have a lot of bulk powders in your mix. HydroMax is the higher absorbable version of GMS, powder form. GMS is usually like little tiny granules​.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
GMS (Glycerol Mono Sterate), HydroMax and Vegetable Glycerine are all in essence the same. VG is a sweet syrup, cheap and helps if you have a lot of bulk powders in your mix. HydroMax is the higher absorbable version of GMS, powder form. GMS is usually like little tiny granules​.
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from what I know, the bioavailability does not change between HydroMax and GMS, simply a higher % of active glycerol on a g/g basis
 
VaughnTrue said:
from what I know, the bioavailability does not change between HydroMax and GMS, simply a higher % of active glycerol on a g/g basis
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I figured since it was less needed for the same effect it was better absorbed by the body. But what your saying sounds right. 65% if iirc no?
 
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