HiTech Pro IGF-1 log

user567 said:
I have said from day 1, I hate anecdotal crap but had to post my experience with the crazy pumps. Again I do take Cialis before workouts and this does help give pumps. 2 weeks in the pumps are still there and are still incredible.

Nothing else noticed at this point except pumps and some soreness. No weight gain etc .. In another week I will get my bloods again to check IGF-1 levels. At the end of the day the blood test will tell the true story.
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like i said earlier, due to the short halflife of IGF-1, please try to time your blood test appropriately so we can see what it does at its best case scenario. dose ~2 hours prior to your test.
 
Juicedeez utz said:
Try to draw bloods 90 mins after ingestion (if delivery method is correct) this will give you the highest blood concentration of its working.
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VaughnTrue said:
like i said earlier, due to the short halflife of IGF-1, please try to time your blood test appropriately so we can see what it does at its best case scenario. dose ~2 hours prior to your test.
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90-120 minutes. 90 might be cutting it a bit quick, but within the 90-120 minute window we should be good to go.
 
Sorry for lack of updates. Been dealing with hurricane in South Florida. Its a mess

Anyway I will try to get bloods done this week as its week 4. Pump is still there but again could be Cialis and pre work out. Just havent noticed this much before.
 
user567 said:
Sorry for lack of updates. Been dealing with hurricane in South Florida. Its a mess

Anyway I will try to get bloods done this week as its week 4. Pump is still there but again could be Cialis and pre work out. Just havent noticed this much before.
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I just posted a set of bloods on the front page, check em out!
 
I got my bloods done today. I will have results Monday. Took my dose about 90 minutes before blood draw. Its been 4 weeks on the product.
 
user567 said:
I got my bloods done today. I will have results Monday. Took my dose about 90 minutes before blood draw. Its been 4 weeks on the product.
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Damn..can't wait !
 
Eager to see the blood work results
 
Here are the final results. I modified the initial post

Here they are:
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Took this product for 4 weeks. Then got my 2nd bloods done. Took my dose 90 minutes before getting my 2nd bloods done.

Here are the follow up bloods:
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The initial bloods were done by Quest Diagnostics so the references range is different than my 2nd bloods which were done by LabCorp. They are both in ng/ml so the number is the number. As you can see my numbers went down for some reason.

Draw your own conclusions. I did have a buddy who didnt want to post doing this along side of me and his bloods also show no gain. I will see if he will let me post his. $300 experiment between the product and the bloods
 
user567 said:
Here are the final results. I modified the initial post

Here they are:
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Took this product for 4 weeks. Then got my 2nd bloods done. Took my dose 90 minutes before getting my 2nd bloods done.

Here are the follow up bloods:
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The initial bloods were done by Quest Diagnostics so the references range is different than my 2nd bloods which were done by LabCorp. They are both in ng/ml so the number is the number. As you can see my numbers went down for some reason.

Draw your own conclusions. I did have a buddy who didnt want to post doing this along side of me and his bloods also show no gain. I will see if he will let me post his. $300 experiment between the product and the bloods
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user567 said:
Here are the final results. I modified the initial post

Here they are:
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Took this product for 4 weeks. Then got my 2nd bloods done. Took my dose 90 minutes before getting my 2nd bloods done.

Here are the follow up bloods:
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The initial bloods were done by Quest Diagnostics so the references range is different than my 2nd bloods which were done by LabCorp. They are both in ng/ml so the number is the number. As you can see my numbers went down for some reason.

Draw your own conclusions. I did have a buddy who didnt want to post doing this along side of me and his bloods also show no gain. I will see if he will let me post his. $300 experiment between the product and the bloods
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Err....maybe it only appears to be lower because the reference range is different? I'm hoping there is a reason other than what we fear.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Err....maybe it only appears to be lower because the reference range is different? I'm hoping there is a reason other than what we fear.
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hm i could see this actually.. unless the scale is unbiased and the number that is provided is a concrete number

i.e
scale of 1-5
Scale of 1-10

the number 4 in the top scale would be better then a 7 in the bottom scale
 
rowz4broz said:
hm i could see this actually.. unless the scale is unbiased and the number that is provided is a concrete number

i.e
scale of 1-5
Scale of 1-10

the number 4 in the top scale would be better then a 7 in the bottom scale
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Right..so maybe all is not lost..not sure how all this works but looking at the first number 164, its at the half way mark on a scale that goes up to 328..but looking at the second number, 128 , you are over the half way mark to 216 which is their high end reference number. (if that makes any sense).
 
Were these labs drawn before first dose and then again 90 min post dose or before the 4 weeks and then after 4 weeks?
 
Both numbers are in ng/ml

Ignore the reference numbers! Before 164ng/ml to after 128ng/ml

The first bloods were drawn before starting the product 4 weeks prior
 
jameschoi said:
How much lean mass did you gain in 4 weeks?
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Didnt notice any muscle gain. My weight stayed roughly the same. Lost 1 pound.

Anecdotal comments: I felt I was getting more cut and defined. My abs are really popping out right now. Again probably all in my head
 
user567 said:
Didnt notice any muscle gain. My weight stayed roughly the same. Lost 1 pound.

Anecdotal comments: I felt I was getting more cut and defined. My abs are really popping out right now. Again probably all in my head
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numbers dont lie.

what bothers me is that the previous blood work that was put out shows a significant increase in igf-1. I wonder what the difference maker between the 2 results could be.
 
these results are extremely surprising. My main questions is with the difference in labs, there is some major differences in testing methodologies. It is a negative result here for us all to see, but I would like to see the same consistency as the first bloods showing all variables (like diff labs) removed
 
That's disappointing. I was waiting to see this log because oral IGF-1 sounded too good to be true. Still, it's not super surprising to me that a peptide hormone wouldn't be particularly bioavailable when taken orally. I definitely won't pick any up unless we see a bunch of better blood logs.
 
I'm very disappointed to see this as well (I'm very sorry, I honestly want the products to work for everyone who uses them and pays good money for them).

I personally have not paid to have any blood work done (I don't have the time right now honestly) but I can say that I'm at the start of Week 3 and feeling like an absolute god on this stuff. Sleep is excellent, recovery is everything I could hope for (being as old as I am and training as heavy as I am) and I feel much leaner in the mornings and much more dried out. I can say I haven't noticed too much in terms of size gains, or that I look "way bigger" or anything like that, but I can tell this is doing SOMETHING for me.

But the numbers do have me scratching my chin a bit. I wonder if the true measure is somewhere in between the two tests (the first guys bloods and now this guys) or which way is more likely. We will have to wait for some more I guess.




-Spaz
 
Quest Diagnostics and Lab Corp are both reputable. Your reaching if you think the numbers are not accurate. As I mentioned I had a buddy alongside of me do the bloods as well but he didnt want to post. His bloods are roughly the same pre and post, they did not decrease like mine. I am begging him to let me post his bloods. He used LabCorp for both his blood tests.

I dont want this to turn in to a bash fest on me or even Hi-Tech. It didnt work for me or my friend. Perhaps it will for others. I did this to contribute to the community because I am tired of the logs with no scientific data to back it up. They are useless. Lets hope more bloods come out that show different results.
 
More bloodwork is required. N= 2 not enough to draw conclusions. I'm not sure that difference in the lab used would be that significant given we would be looking for sizeable, not marginal, increases from an I G F 1 product. But more bloodwork could prove me wrong. Definitely no longer interested in logs of this product without bloodwork
 
user567 said:
Quest Diagnostics and Lab Corp are both reputable. Your reaching if you think the numbers are not accurate. As I mentioned I had a buddy alongside of me do the bloods as well but he didnt want to post. His bloods are roughly the same pre and post, they did not decrease like mine. I am begging him to let me post his bloods. He used LabCorp for both his blood tests.

I dont want this to turn in to a bash fest on me or even Hi-Tech. It didnt work for me or my friend. Perhaps it will for others. I did this to contribute to the community because I am tired of the logs with no scientific data to back it up. They are useless. Lets hope more bloods come out that show different results.
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no one is bashing you at the moment. just looking to eliminate variables to get the most up to date info
 
user567 said:
Quest Diagnostics and Lab Corp are both reputable. Your reaching if you think the numbers are not accurate. As I mentioned I had a buddy alongside of me do the bloods as well but he didnt want to post. His bloods are roughly the same pre and post, they did not decrease like mine. I am begging him to let me post his bloods. He used LabCorp for both his blood tests.

I dont want this to turn in to a bash fest on me or even Hi-Tech. It didnt work for me or my friend. Perhaps it will for others. I did this to contribute to the community because I am tired of the logs with no scientific data to back it up. They are useless. Lets hope more bloods come out that show different results.
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I'm happy you posted you experience, I was expecting this anyway, thanks!
 
It could go back to one point from the first set of labs, if your numbers are low, it will help. If your numbers are fine to begin with, it may not help you any. Whether that's the case or not, it's nice seeing more labs are popping up. It may be worthwhile to get your IGF tested before buying the product and if you're low, then give it a shot.
 
user567 said:
Quest Diagnostics and Lab Corp are both reputable. Your reaching if you think the numbers are not accurate. As I mentioned I had a buddy alongside of me do the bloods as well but he didnt want to post. His bloods are roughly the same pre and post, they did not decrease like mine. I am begging him to let me post his bloods. He used LabCorp for both his blood tests.

I dont want this to turn in to a bash fest on me or even Hi-Tech. It didnt work for me or my friend. Perhaps it will for others. I did this to contribute to the community because I am tired of the logs with no scientific data to back it up. They are useless. Lets hope more bloods come out that show different results.
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Thanks for sharing. Probably safe to say you won't be purchasing another bottle..
I was surprised to see your results as it was looking so promising due to anecdotal reports of effects that would indicate that this was delivering. I was tempted to buy this several times. Needless to say, I am going to hold tight and just stick with my MK-677 for now..
 
VaughnTrue said:
these results are extremely surprising. My main questions is with the difference in labs, there is some major differences in testing methodologies. It is a negative result here for us all to see, but I would like to see the same consistency as the first bloods showing all variables (like diff labs) removed
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I actually agree with Vaughn here, for me it's hard to compare apples to oranges in this scenario. Vaughn any chance at your company sponsoring another set of bloods for the same company use? I think if the results appear as you hope they do it would be huge for you guys.
 
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but the reference ranges do matter. Labs have different reference ranges to adjust for accuracy differences etc
 
To me..two different labs adds a variable in the equation
 
cobri66 said:
To me..two different labs adds a variable in the equation
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Yeah I would agree with that. The reference ranges are different, that's what stands out to me. Which isn't a big deal I guess, but when comparing bloods it may make a difference.
 
Then someone else needs to offer up differing bloods. He also stated his friend did both bloods with Lab Corp and showed the same results.
 
I don't see how it could matter if it was using the same units.

Either way, based off his percentile within both ranges, he dropped from 40.6 percentile in the first set, to 37.6 percentile in the second set. Still a drop if I did math correctly.
 
I was on the sidelines but have definitely paused any purchases notwithstanding differences in labs that tested particularly given the price tag. If it were a $30 dollar product I might have shrugged my shoulders and pulled the trigger. But not at $100+.


he has said his friend ran bloodwork at the same labs which it seems is being overlooked. I as a customer would love to see more bloodwork which could suggest the results were anomalous before I dip my toes back in the water. Problem is people may not wish to risk a backlash in the event they get similar results
 
rascal14 said:
I don't see how it could matter if it was using the same units.

Either way, based off his percentile within both ranges, he dropped from 40.6 percentile in the first set, to 37.6 percentile in the second set. Still a drop if I did math correctly.
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Exactly...they don't matter. The results are the results, and they don't have any direct correlation and are not influenced by whatever reference range they choose to put beside it.
 
Honestly is anyone surprised oral igf doesnt work? This would be getting serious buzz not only in the body building world but in the medical world as well. Hi-tech put out 1 press release. If this stuff worked they would be shouting it from the top of every mountain.
 
user567 said:
Honestly is anyone surprised oral igf doesnt work? This would be getting serious buzz not only in the body building world but in the medical world as well. Hi-tech put out 1 press release. If this stuff worked they would be shouting it from the top of every mountain.
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A factor many ignore is that igf-1 is produced locally in muscle tissue. Systemic increases of igf-1 doesn’t necessarily get to target tissues and is a poor indicator of anabolic potential. Injecting within muscle being trained prob right before or after a workout is the best protocol.
 
haha 1 set of blood results showing a positive result = everyone: omg holy grail, must buy, mass gains, wow.
1 set of blood results showing a negative result = machine must be broken, probably didn't shake container before swallowing tabs.

If you're concerned between the difference in labs you do know you can just contact the lab and ask them which machine/protocol they use to analyse igf-1 levels, some machines to have different yield results but its not that massive lol.

Would definitely be interesting to see more bloods, particularly from people starting with lower IGF-1, although as pointed out in this thread, its a costly exercise.

The reference range is not a good means to determine machine accuracy. Companies choose their reference ranges for a number of reasons and several tests have an algorithm to determine which range to apply. Ie. aged 10-20 one set, 20-30 another set, male another set, female another set etc. etc.
 
scump said:
haha 1 set of blood results showing a positive result = everyone: omg holy grail, must buy, mass gains, wow.
1 set of blood results showing a negative result = machine must be broken, probably didn't shake container before swallowing tabs.

If you're concerned between the difference in labs you do know you can just contact the lab and ask them which machine/protocol they use to analyse igf-1 levels, some machines to have different yield results but its not that massive lol.

Would definitely be interesting to see more bloods, particularly from people starting with lower IGF-1, although as pointed out in this thread, its a costly exercise.

The reference range is not a good means to determine machine accuracy. Companies choose their reference ranges for a number of reasons and several tests have an algorithm to determine which range to apply. Ie. aged 10-20 one set, 20-30 another set, male another set, female another set etc. etc.
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Well In my mind, and anyone else’s who thinks critically about supplements or any other topic, the evidence of the claim lands on the one making it. Ie blood work showing contrary to their (supplement company) claims in my mind is evidence against and even if there are some increases in igf-1 systemically I would still be unconvinced of its efficacy because systemic circulation does not necessarily correlate with intramuscular concentrations, especially since cells need this more on a “demand” type basis, not just when you feel like taking the supplement... so anyway unless I see multiple reviews or posts with blood work showing increases, and additionally see large gains in some fashion, I will remain unconvinced, and for the price I suggest others do the same. Please remember the concept of opportunity cost. Spending $100 here means you can’t spend that money elsewhere. And when the price gets closer to the same for Pharma grade igf-1 I further doubt the purpose.
 
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