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HIT4ME said:
I think yo-yo dieting actually beneficial to obese people. You heard it here first.
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I highly doubt that. I think, among other things, yo-yo dieting "trains" the body to resist losing weight and to quickly gain it back and then some.

And then there's the emotional toll it takes on an obese person -- they tend to feel like total failures, making it hard to commit to real change.

There are and always will be exceptions, of course.
 
Kaprice said:
I highly doubt that. I think, among other things, yo-yo dieting "trains" the body to resist losing weight and to quickly gain it back and then some.

And then there's the emotional toll it takes on an obese person -- they tend to feel like total failures, making it hard to commit to real change.

There are and always will be exceptions, of course.
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Yeah...The thing is...Obese people have unrealistic expectations to go from 50% body fat to 10% and stay there. What trains someone to be obese is being obese. What makes them feel like failures is the fact that people are telling them how unhealthy yo-yo dieting is. If yo-yo dieting was part of the plan to a small degree, how are you a failure?

For someone who has completely screwed themselves by being 40+% body fat for extended periods of time...You are going to have yo-yo. I've seen so many people lose 100+ pounds only to gain it back and then give up. If they expected some rebound...And then started up again ....Their mentality would change.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not saying lose 100 pounds, gain it all back and do it all over again. I am saying that if you go from 300 to 200 and then back to 220...And then get back in line...That is better than gaining 20-30 and thinking your diet failed and throwing in the towel.

Plus there are a lot of metabolic pathways that get messed up being obese, adjust and improve during a diet but aren't exactly normal after a long diet. Look at Glut4 as 1 example. Cut out carbs for a long time and you become insulin resistant. Do this for 100 pounds of fat loss and you've moved from one end of the spectrum to the other.. better to rebound a little and get a little closer to normal, then go again (which will require a shorter diet and less insulin resistance) - and keep pushing lower and lower.

Of course, this is kind of the idea behind starvation mode too.
 
Well, you're using a very different definition of yo yo diet than is used in the mainstream. I think there are few people that consider losing 100 and gaining 20 back as yo yo dieting.

More common is doing a liquid cleanse or a potato diet or vegetarian to lose, say, 50 pounds and then the stop the fad diet and go back to eating the way they were and they gain back the 50 (in a short time) plus another 10.

According to Webster:

Medical Definition of yo–yo dieting
: the practice of repeatedly losing weight by dieting and subsequently regaining it

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What you're talking about really is just the need to educate people about how diets really work and to accept that if you stop doing the extreme thing that lost you the weight, you're going to gain SOME of it back, but that as long as you don't go back to the kind of eating that made you fat to begin with, you're fine and shouldn't panic.
 
Kaprice said:
Well, you're using a very different definition of yo yo diet than is used in the mainstream. I think there are few people that consider losing 100 and gaining 20 back as yo yo dieting.

More common is doing a liquid cleanse or a potato diet or vegetarian to lose, say, 50 pounds and then the stop the fad diet and go back to eating the way they were and they gain back the 50 (in a short time) plus another 10.

According to Webster:

Medical Definition of yo–yo dieting
: the practice of repeatedly losing weight by dieting and subsequently regaining it

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What you're talking about really is just the need to educate people about how diets really work and to accept that if you stop doing the extreme thing that lost you the weight, you're going to gain SOME of it back, but that as long as you don't go back to the kind of eating that made you fat to begin with, you're fine and shouldn't panic.
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I get the feeling that Kaprice is doing the right thing. He is losing little by little over a prolonged time, instead of rushing it like we do.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I get the feeling that Kaprice is doing the right thing. He is losing little by little over a prolonged time, instead of rushing it like we do.
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Thanks. I know I could be doing much better but I find I'm enjoying my life right now. My response to Hit about yoyo dieting was from the heart and personal experience. I've gone through it, maybe a dozen times. I work my butt off; I deprive myself of every enjoyment; I play the martyr at parties; and I lose 15 to 25 pounds. By that time I'm sick of going without so I act like an untrained dog who's pulling at his leash and who is finally let go -- the dog goes wild and doesn't listen to anyone. That was me. A bag of chips. A tub of ice cream. Pounds of candy. And then what took me 3 months to lose is back in 2 weeks.

What I'm doing right now is very slow but I never ever feel deprived or hungry. If there's a party or someone in the family brings home a treat, I allow myself to enjoy it -- I just make sure I stop when I'm satisfied and not when I'm in a sugar coma.

I've found I'm very happy with a single scoop of ice creme or a handful of chips. And I can stop and not feel deprived and it doesn't put 10 pounds back on me.

This is the longest I've stuck with something -- ever. I've been "watchful" for over a year now. Over that time, I've gone from 267 pounds to 231. And the 231 is easy to maintain.

It's been great.

Still planning on getting to 215 by mid summer, so I AM going to have to step it up. But for me, it's been a much better experience to do it without hating the journey.
 
Kaprice said:
Well, you're using a very different definition of yo yo diet than is used in the mainstream. I think there are few people that consider losing 100 and gaining 20 back as yo yo dieting.

More common is doing a liquid cleanse or a potato diet or vegetarian to lose, say, 50 pounds and then the stop the fad diet and go back to eating the way they were and they gain back the 50 (in a short time) plus another 10.

According to Webster:

Medical Definition of yo–yo dieting
: the practice of repeatedly losing weight by dieting and subsequently regaining it

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What you're talking about really is just the need to educate people about how diets really work and to accept that if you stop doing the extreme thing that lost you the weight, you're going to gain SOME of it back, but that as long as you don't go back to the kind of eating that made you fat to begin with, you're fine and shouldn't panic.
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Yeah, you got me. But wouldn't that make a great article? Yo-Yo Dieting is GOOD FOR YOU!



hairygrandpa said:
I get the feeling that Kaprice is doing the right thing. He is losing little by little over a prolonged time, instead of rushing it like we do.
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It is one strategy and it is certainly with merit. If you can keep it up. I think there are many different situations and different tools. I think some people go to extremes eating over long periods of time, and it takes something pretty extreme to get them back on track - like me. But that's the thing - it's about having tools at your disposal. Some people use a drill to drive screws. I never drive a screw with a drill. It just isn't the right tool for the job.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Stop whining about some ouchies and work around the problem.

Just you wait! I'm currently cutting, using the magic of cardio. This time I really mean it (again, LOL).
I prefer to be a big bald, hairy dude with a shower cap, -instead of a whiny fat guy with a pink purse, doing yo-yo diets.
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Well before i would call you a ddouch!

But old pops your right...

I had back pain a blown hip and banged up shoulder.. Now im back training.. And yes i still get some pain but its much much better.. And im happy now..

Before i was a dark angry person with violent tendencys
 
HIT4ME said:
Some people use a drill to drive screws. I never drive a screw with a drill. It just isn't the right tool for the job.
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Of course you don't. You seem to be hard wired to do everything the hard (and painful) way. I can see you driving your screws with a pair of pliers!
 
Kaprice said:
Thanks. I know I could be doing much better but I find I'm enjoying my life right now. My response to Hit about yoyo dieting was from the heart and personal experience. I've gone through it, maybe a dozen times. I work my butt off; I deprive myself of every enjoyment; I play the martyr at parties; and I lose 15 to 25 pounds. By that time I'm sick of going without so I act like an untrained dog who's pulling at his leash and who is finally let go -- the dog goes wild and doesn't listen to anyone. That was me. A bag of chips. A tub of ice cream. Pounds of candy. And then what took me 3 months to lose is back in 2 weeks.

What I'm doing right now is very slow but I never ever feel deprived or hungry. If there's a party or someone in the family brings home a treat, I allow myself to enjoy it -- I just make sure I stop when I'm satisfied and not when I'm in a sugar coma.

I've found I'm very happy with a single scoop of ice creme or a handful of chips. And I can stop and not feel deprived and it doesn't put 10 pounds back on me.

This is the longest I've stuck with something -- ever. I've been "watchful" for over a year now. Over that time, I've gone from 267 pounds to 231. And the 231 is easy to maintain.

It's been great.

Still planning on getting to 215 by mid summer, so I AM going to have to step it up. But for me, it's been a much better experience to do it without hating the journey.
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Even though I agree with your approach, it's hard for me to copy it.
It's a personality issue. My way of life demands fast results, if not, I lose interest.
Everything I do seems to others extreme, because it happens fast.

I'm a "Blitzkrieg" guy, LOL
 
Kaprice said:
Thanks. I know I could be doing much better but I find I'm enjoying my life right now. My response to Hit about yoyo dieting was from the heart and personal experience. I've gone through it, maybe a dozen times. I work my butt off; I deprive myself of every enjoyment; I play the martyr at parties; and I lose 15 to 25 pounds. By that time I'm sick of going without so I act like an untrained dog who's pulling at his leash and who is finally let go -- the dog goes wild and doesn't listen to anyone. That was me. A bag of chips. A tub of ice cream. Pounds of candy. And then what took me 3 months to lose is back in 2 weeks.

What I'm doing right now is very slow but I never ever feel deprived or hungry. If there's a party or someone in the family brings home a treat, I allow myself to enjoy it -- I just make sure I stop when I'm satisfied and not when I'm in a sugar coma.

I've found I'm very happy with a single scoop of ice creme or a handful of chips. And I can stop and not feel deprived and it doesn't put 10 pounds back on me.

This is the longest I've stuck with something -- ever. I've been "watchful" for over a year now. Over that time, I've gone from 267 pounds to 231. And the 231 is easy to maintain.

It's been great.

Still planning on getting to 215 by mid summer, so I AM going to have to step it up. But for me, it's been a much better experience to do it without hating the journey.
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Brother - you are doing great. The untrained dog analogy is good. The thing is, I have the same experience as you, but in reverse - I've lost weight slow and I would get 10 pounds off or 20 pounds, and then get stuck FOREVER, or even gain back, or whatever. It wasn't until I started doing extreme things that things really started to change. The funny thing is, for the most part, it's all mental. I don't feel deprived usually. Usually what sets me off is having reached a certain point and then just kind of, allowing myself to do things. I start eating junk and it just takes over. When I'm dieting, I honestly rarely want that stuff. I don't really feel deprived at all. I just don't want it. It's hard to explain.

I also think, people see that I do extreme things and they think it's a short term thing. I've been dieting, really, for the past 4+ years. Not all at once, not all fasting. I started slow...started exercising, lost 50 pounds, stalled out, gained back 10, stuck there. And like you said, it was easy to maintain, but I was still morbidly obese. Then I went on the PSMF and got down to 178, then went off, got to 215 and literally felt fat as hell (a weight that had previously felt lean to me on the way down), did that last log, got to 165, rebounded to 192 (around) and I REALLY feel fat at that weight now. Now, I'm hoping to make another run toward 160, make some gains, and hopefully the next rebound will be 180 or 175 (or not at all) . I'm using short bursts as part of long term strategy, but it just fits my mentality better. I think it may also fit my situation better because I've screwed my body from being a 150 pound guy in a 300 pound body for so long.

In the end, I just don't have the stamina to do it the way you are.....
 
I may also have come to the conclusion that most fat burning supplements are a waste of money. Not that they don't do ANYTHING, just that the improvement isn't significant enough to justify the costs.

The supplements I intend to stick with are those that help me with BEHAVIOR. So, if they give me more energy, more focus, and/or suppress my appetite, I consider them useful. But it's the modified behavior that makes furthers the fat loss, not the supplements themselves.

I've taken a bunch of EvoMuse internal and topical products and a bunch of Get Diesel products and I can't point to any significant fat loss or muscle building.

To that end, here's what I like and will continue to use:

Octadrene Hard Core.

EC
Nos Ether
Some sort of BCAA
Nootrol
Dream N Grow
Nicorette
 
DennisTheDane said:
Well before i would call you a ddouch!

But old pops your right...

I had back pain a blown hip and banged up shoulder.. Now im back training.. And yes i still get some pain but its much much better.. And im happy now..

Before i was a dark angry person with violent tendencys
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Pain is tough. I'm just whining - my pain is MINIMAL next to what you and HGP have been through (and many others on this board). These are just over use strains and such. Nothing that hinders my abilities at all.

Kaprice said:
Of course you don't. You seem to be hard wired to do everything the hard (and painful) way. I can see you driving your screws with a pair of pliers!
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You know what the problem with pliers is? There's NO MOTOR.

The proper tool to drive a screw with is an Impact Driver. Try it. You will never use a drill for anything other than drilling again.

hairygrandpa said:
Even though I agree with your approach, it's hard for me to copy it.
It's a personality issue. My way of life demands fast results, if not, I lose interest.
Everything I do seems to others extreme, because it happens fast.

I'm a "Blitzkrieg" guy, LOL
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Like I said, different tools for different people....

I like that. "Blitzkrieg" guy. Can I change my username??
 
Kaprice said:
I may also have come to the conclusion that most fat burning supplements are a waste of money. Not that they don't do ANYTHING, just that the improvement isn't significant enough to justify the costs.

The supplements I intend to stick with are those that help me with BEHAVIOR. So, if they give me more energy, more focus, and/or suppress my appetite, I consider them useful. But it's the modified behavior that makes furthers the fat loss, not the supplements themselves.

I've taken a bunch of EvoMuse internal and topical products and a bunch of Get Diesel products and I can't point to any significant fat loss or muscle building.

To that end, here's what I like and will continue to use:

Octadrene Hard Core.

EC
Nos Ether
Some sort of BCAA
Nootrol
Dream N Grow
Nicorette
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You're right to a large degree. Lots of people expect too much out of supplements. The evomuse stuff is the only stuff I've purchased more than once with my own money. Very few ingredients have much impact.

hairygrandpa said:
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Great, now I have to go eat a box of donuts.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Even though I agree with your approach, it's hard for me to copy it.
It's a personality issue. My way of life demands fast results, if not, I lose interest.
Everything I do seems to others extreme, because it happens fast.

I'm a "Blitzkrieg" guy, LOL
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What you're doing clearly works for you -- and that's the key.
 
HIT4ME said:
Pain is tough. I'm just whining - my pain is MINIMAL next to what you and HGP have been through (and many others on this board). These are just over use strains and such. Nothing that hinders my abilities at all.



You know what the problem with pliers is? There's NO MOTOR.

The proper tool to drive a screw with is an Impact Driver. Try it. You will never use a drill for anything other than drilling again.



Like I said, different tools for different people....

I like that. "Blitzkrieg" guy. Can I change my username??
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Dont get me wrong lad! I did my fair share of whining.. And cursing the world! But im done now.. Some how i found my way back. Okay im taking a trip to the dark side but shjiit i need my muscle back.. Was whining about the ten kilos of fat i put on and how the world was a bad place and every thing was against me.. But trust me brohimbo.. You can do this.. We are here for you..Yeah we take a piss at you now and then..But its hard love bro

I have aaaaaaalot of fat ti shred now.. But fuack it muscle first then i can alter my diet... WE CAN DO IT SAY IT WITH ME BRO
 
DennisTheDane said:
Dont get me wrong lad! I did my fair share of whining.. And cursing the world! But im done now.. Some how i found my way back. Okay im taking a trip to the dark side but shjiit i need my muscle back.. Was whining about the ten kilos of fat i put on and how the world was a bad place and every thing was against me.. But trust me brohimbo.. You can do this.. We are here for you..Yeah we take a piss at you now and then..But its hard love bro

I have aaaaaaalot of fat ti shred now.. But fuack it muscle first then i can alter my diet... WE CAN DO IT SAY IT WITH ME BRO
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When did this turn into a chick flick?

:)
 
Kaprice said:
Hit, I'm offended at your cultural appropriation. Sore hips belongs to people over 50. I'm going to go spend some time in my safe place to recover. In the meantime, you need to undergo sensitivity training.
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"Sore hips belongs to people over 50." Well then, guess you don't know what it's like to be in your 20s and have the aches and pains of someone 2-3 times that age! No sensitivity training required. Just the older one gets, the more those aches and pains become more and more than they did years ago. Some of us walk around in perpetual pain that is enough to make a less stronger person scream or want to die, but it's done. Simply because there is no other option.

Carry on, Jeff...
 
Rosie Chee said:
"Sore hips belongs to people over 50." Well then, guess you don't know what it's like to be in your 20s and have the aches and pains of someone 2-3 times that age! No sensitivity training required. Just the older one gets, the more those aches and pains become more and more than they did years ago. Some of us walk around in perpetual pain that is enough to make a less stronger person scream or want to die, but it's done. Simply because there is no other option.

Carry on, Jeff...
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Lol....Yeah...KAPrice was joking and giving me a hard time. He is an OLD A SS dude and he hurts all over haha. I can laugh at him now....

But I'm glad SOMEONE has my back. Thanks Rosie.
 
HIT4ME said:
Lol....Yeah...KAPrice was joking and giving me a hard time. He is an OLD A SS dude and he hurts all over haha. I can laugh at him now....

But I'm glad SOMEONE has my back. Thanks Rosie.
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WHAT!!!! We have your back... ;)
 
Whaaaa? Joint pain under 50?! That's absurd!

*says the 21 year old with a ****ed up and operated on shoulder...

Seriously age =/= freedom from pain and the ability to move. Certain mechanical processes, such as dislocating a shoulder, can expidite the aging process.
 
ChocolateClen said:
Whaaaa? Joint pain under 50?! That's absurd!

*says the 21 year old with a ****ed up and operated on shoulder...

Seriously age =/= freedom from pain and the ability to move. Certain mechanical processes, such as dislocating a shoulder, can expidite the aging process.
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Im 36 and i have a bad knee. A bad shoulder and a bad hip and a bad back ;) I keep going like the little train that could! :D

But srsly pain and age dont always add up
 
DennisTheDane said:
Im 36 and i have a bad knee. A bad shoulder and a bad hip and a bad back ;) I keep going like the little train that could! :D

But srsly pain and age dont always add up
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21, just got told my left shoulder will need surgery in a few years as well due to impingement via the labrum having been **** up wrestling.
 
ChocolateClen said:
21, just got told my left shoulder will need surgery in a few years as well due to impingement via the labrum having been **** up wrestling.
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Damn son. That aint cool :(
 
ChocolateClen said:
21, just got told my left shoulder will need surgery in a few years as well due to impingement via the labrum having been **** up wrestling.
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Who needs shoulders anyway? They attract pesty women to lean against, eew!
 
ChocolateClen said:
Yeah lol the right ****er is being a pain in the ass and won't heal like wolverine. Figured I'd be done by now -.-
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You need some cannabisoil for the pain!

And deffo some chill on the shoulder
 
ChocolateClen said:
lol there's no pain, the fuccker just won't move. Who knew you'd lose muscle after immobilizing it for 6 weeks.
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What about Shockwave treatment?
 
DennisTheDane said:
WHAT!!!! We have your back... ;)
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Yeah, I know. You guys are all great. I wish I had such a tight crew in real life. Although... hairygrandpa scares me. Maybe because we are alike in many ways and I fear seeing what I will become in 10 years. Haha.
 
bighulksmash said:
Welcome home DennisTheDane
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bighulksmash! How the heck you been? The avatar is showing some significant progress! Nice work.

Today's weigh in:

Bodyweight: 187.4 pounds
Bodyfat %: 24.2%

My starting weight on sunday was 192.7 pounds, on Saturday I was 193.6 pounds. Going from the 192.7 - that's 5.3 pounds of weight lost this week. Obviously plenty of water weight. I suspect that will turn into 2 pounds a week pretty quick.
 
Looking forward to your progress friend
 
bro I been going so hard I lose track of the days . Jobless at the moment living off my savings , which is huge lol .... Putting in 6 hrs a day of body work including cardio and training . YOU SIR ARE LOOKING GREAT !!!! :wave: I POSTED A before and after in my log ill tag ya !
HIT4ME said:
bighulksmash! How the heck you been? The avatar is showing some significant progress! Nice work.

Today's weigh in:

Bodyweight: 187.4 pounds
Bodyfat %: 24.2%

My starting weight on sunday was 192.7 pounds, on Saturday I was 193.6 pounds. Going from the 192.7 - that's 5.3 pounds of weight lost this week. Obviously plenty of water weight. I suspect that will turn into 2 pounds a week pretty quick.
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DennisTheDane said:
Not really dude.... We all have a past..Well US have crazy laws...
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Yeah, they tried kicking me out once. Something about me pissing off too many people and not listening to anyone and being too stubborn? I don't know, I wasn't paying attention to them. But no one else would take me, so they're stuck with me.

Anyway - today's update:

Bodyweight: 191.1 pounds
Bodyfat: 25.2%

Yup. Gained about 4 pounds since yesterday. Yup, you guessed it, I had a cheat meal for dinner. My gf wanted some BBQ chicken from this place - it's pretty much chicken so I usually figure it's a good cheat meal, because there is VERY little batter on them (I'm not sure if there is any to be honest, or if they just sear the meat - but I know there is some) and 3 cheese sticks and a couple onion rings. For desert I had to pieces of peanut butter fudge. Only, we usually get 9 pieces of chicken and I eat 5 pieces - but when we were done there were 3 more pieces left and I hate to leave them so I ate them...all in all I'd guess I had 3/4-1 pound of chicken in barbeque sauce.

Normally this meal leaves me feeling fine and I don't gain much weight from it - but after I ate the fudge, about 5 minutes went by and I was FULL. It just hit me. I feel this very rarely and wish I felt it more - but I was done eating. Then I went to bed a couple hours later....and woke up 2 hours into sleep thirsty as hell. Mouth was dry as could be. So I got a BIG glass of water and drank it (at least 24 oz. of water). I went back to sleep. An hour later, woke up again, mouth dry again. Filled the cup again, this time just half, with water and downed it...back to sleep. This went on literally every 60-90 minutes all night. I only had to pee once. I had to have taken in AT LEAST a gallon of water. I am guessing there was some SERIOUS salt or something in what I ate. I certainly didn't eat 4 pounds of food (maybe 2 pounds...not 4!!!) ....so, this morning's weight is pretty meaningless with all that water.

I didn't work out yesterday on the treadmill because my foot is still hurting. I ran for about 7-8 minutes and decided not to push it. This morning I was exhausted from not sleeping and still felt full/sick so I wasn't going to run then either. A couple cheats like that and I won't ever want a cheat again.
 
Today's update:

Bodyweight: 187 pounds
Bodyfat: 25.1%

So, I've lost 3.8 pounds since last Monday and 4.2 pounds since ...um...yesterday. Almost seems like a mathematical riddle.
 
I'm healing. I feel like I WANT to get back in the gym, but I'm going to keep resting.

My foot is about 90%. I was standing next to a post at a building this morning that had been pulled over and the owner was trying to move it back...I gave it a kick without thinking to slide it...and my foot hurt a little after. Oops.

The side of my leg is healing up pretty well. I BARELY notice it now. Normally after sitting for a long period or going up stairs (and worse when combining those two factors) I would really feel it. Now ...it's not bad at all. I think rolling around on a baseball is really helping it. I'm also noticing that when I roll, the spots that have pain are getting smaller and harder to find.

The shoulder...I'm just resting right now. It still hurts. If I put my arm straight out to the side, it hurts. It hurts even worse if I put my arm out to the side while extending my arm than if I already have my arm extended and then lift it laterally. It hurts the shoulder...all over...but actually in my tricep too which I find strange.
 
HIT4ME said:
I'm healing. I feel like I WANT to get back in the gym, but I'm going to keep resting.

My foot is about 90%. I was standing next to a post at a building this morning that had been pulled over and the owner was trying to move it back...I gave it a kick without thinking to slide it...and my foot hurt a little after. Oops.

The side of my leg is healing up pretty well. I BARELY notice it now. Normally after sitting for a long period or going up stairs (and worse when combining those two factors) I would really feel it. Now ...it's not bad at all. I think rolling around on a baseball is really helping it. I'm also noticing that when I roll, the spots that have pain are getting smaller and harder to find.

The shoulder...I'm just resting right now. It still hurts. If I put my arm straight out to the side, it hurts. It hurts even worse if I put my arm out to the side while extending my arm than if I already have my arm extended and then lift it laterally. It hurts the shoulder...all over...but actually in my tricep too which I find strange.
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Your shoulder thingy sounds like an impingement, what did you do, damn?

[video=youtube;LT3h5VtHDFQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3h5VtHDFQ[/video]

Exercise for you starting at 5:45 .
 
hairygrandpa said:
Your shoulder thingy sounds like an impingement, what did you do, damn?

[video=youtube;LT3h5VtHDFQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3h5VtHDFQ[/video]

Exercise for you starting at 5:45 .
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Thank you for this - awesome video. I watched the entire thing - will try leaning forward while doing laterals. I actually never knew that. I use around 20 pound dumbbells for side laterals, but use a slow raise and lower. I can actually do the motion even with weights without pain. And I don't tip the front down like I'm pouring liquid. But...it is conceivable my form isn't perfect.

I feel like I hurt this shoulder after a busy week. I do these reports for banks when they need opinions of value on a home. I have to drive by a house, take some photos, and then do a report. SOME of the situations are sketchy - foreclosures, etc. Some aren't so sketchy and the people know what's going on. The problem is, I don't know what is what so I try to be as inconspicuous as possible (I've had homeowners actually get in their cars and try to chase me, call the cops, you name it). Sometimes, the house will be on the passenger side and I have to stick my arm straight out to the side to get the camera out the passenger window while I click photos.

A few months ago I had a week where I had a TON of these things to do. Like...30-40 in one week and maybe close to 80 over a couple weeks. Shortly after that is when I noticed the pain in my shoulder. And it's pretty much that motion I would make when putting the camera out at arms length, with my palm facing down or sideways - that hurts. I notice it while using the camera in this fashion, or when my arm is extended with no weight. But lifting never really hurt it AT ALL until last week.

I am not really sure what it is. Some movements that involve rotator cuff rotation cause issues, but internal and external rotation itself doesn't hurt. I can press, but flyes were hurting last week. I can raise my arms overhead just fine.

That guy has a ton of videos with a ton of exercises. I may try a bunch...although I don't have rubber bands at my disposal...
 
hairygrandpa said:
Your shoulder thingy sounds like an impingement, what did you do, damn?
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NO fun :( Try adding torn biceps and supraspinatus tendons to that with constant want to scream because of the burn and pain and tension and pull even when doing absolutely nothing in everyday life and you have a world of pain as you try and grit your way through training because doing something is better than doing nothing even if that something is barely anything and anything might just make it worse but you don't want to stop and do absolutely nothing but you don't want to make it the worst and be put out to not be able to do nothing either ... whew ... pfft ... SIIIIIIIGGGGGGH ...
 
Rosie Chee said:
NO fun :( Try adding torn biceps and supraspinatus tendons to that and you have a world of pain as you try and grit your way through training because doing something is better than doing nothing even if that something is barely anything and anything might just make it worse but you don't want to stop and do absolutely nothing but you don't want to make it the worst and be put out to be able to do nothing either ... whew ... pfft ... SIIIIIIIGGGGGGH ...
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I just recovered from a supraspinatus tear, no fun at all! We all should look for another sport...how about chess? ;)
 
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