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…I was wondering if it be beneficial as a stand-alone stack. Also would I need cycle support and a pct afterwards without stacking sarms?
Thank you so much. I’m 30 and weigh 175-180lbs. I have only tried hi tech superdrol before in the past. What realistic results can I expect from just the super andro 1 and 4? I’d like to pack on some muscle and get closer to 200lbs. I was planning on doing just two pumps of each like the label says. Would that be sufficient or do I need to up the dosage? Thanks again.Hello sir, it certainly is beneficial. These convert to legit Testosterone and 1-test. They work standalone
Cycle support can never hurt, but with something that mild you may not even need it.
You def want to use PCT as these are suppressive but generally speaking these are much more mild then anabolic steroids would be.
Some OTC PCTs could work, depending on age, cycle history, health etc. I personally have my clients use Clomid and/or nolva for 2-3 months minimum after any run, but thats your call
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Good luck sir
I don't remember the doses per pump, but I'd do a minimum of 150 mg of both and up the dose if felt like it, at some point. If experiencing lethargy, low mood, low libido or stuff like that, then would increase the 4-Andro. If wanting more strenght/growth, then increase the 1-Andro, or both.
Don't over analyse or create specific expectations on what kind of results you could should get. Just train hard, have your diet on point, eat enough and see where it gets you and enjoy the run.
Thank you for the advice. It is much appreciated. I have a tendency to over analyze everything.I don't remember the doses per pump, but I'd do a minimum of 150 mg of both and up the dose if felt like it, at some point. If experiencing lethargy, low mood, low libido or stuff like that, then would increase the 4-Andro. If wanting more strenght/growth, then increase the 1-Andro, or both.
Don't over analyse or create specific expectations on what kind of results you could should get. Just train hard, have your diet on point, eat enough and see where it gets you and enjoy the run.
I have a saying; better serm, than sorry, lol. But I do think with 1-Andro it's best to use a serm. Clomid or Nolva. Our board sponsors MA research and Supreme labs should have you covered. @Smont and @cheftepesh1 can help you with any questions regarding those and can provide discount codes.Thank you for the advice. It is much appreciated. I have a tendency to over analyze everything.
Do you think an OTC pct be sufficient afterwards?
I have a saying; better serm, than sorry, lol. But I do think with 1-Andro it's best to use a serm. Clomid or Nolva. Our board sponsors MA research and Supreme labs should have you covered. @Smont and @cheftepesh1 can help you with any questions regarding those and can provide discount codes.
If you want to make the run a little more fun and maybe add to the strenght, you could add in Epiandro and create a kind of 'classic Andro stack'. This is not necessary by any means, but just a thought, if interested. Since you already have 2 TD's in, an oral Epiandro would probably be more practical. CEL Stano Plex is a good one.
Thank you so much for the recommendations. This is exactly what I was looking for. I have been worried about how to find Nolva if I needed it. Also I think I will add epi as well. You’re a life saver.I have a saying; better serm, than sorry, lol. But I do think with 1-Andro it's best to use a serm. Clomid or Nolva. Our board sponsors MA research and Supreme labs should have you covered. @Smont and @cheftepesh1 can help you with any questions regarding those and can provide discount codes.
If you want to make the run a little more fun and maybe add to strenght, you could add in Epiandro and create a kind of 'classic Andro stack'. This is not necessary by any means, but just a thought, if interested. Since you already have 2 TD's in, an oral Epiandro would probably be more practical. CEL Stano Plex is a good one.
With the epi added to the stack do I need to stagger what and when I take? Do I take them all for up to 8 weeks or do I take the 1 andro and 4 andro then start the epi later? Also if I use nolva do I need to start on pct during my last week on cycle?I have a saying; better serm, than sorry, lol. But I do think with 1-Andro it's best to use a serm. Clomid or Nolva. Our board sponsors MA research and Supreme labs should have you covered. @Smont and @cheftepesh1 can help you with any questions regarding those and can provide discount codes.
If you want to make the run a little more fun and maybe add to strenght, you could add in Epiandro and create a kind of 'classic Andro stack'. This is not necessary by any means, but just a thought, if interested. Since you already have 2 TD's in, an oral Epiandro would probably be more practical. CEL Stano Plex is a good one.
I would run them all from the start (and have). But if you want to save money or for some other reason don't have/get enough Epiandro, then put it in the latter part of the run, so you'll finish with the most amount of androgens. 600 mg of oral Epiandro is considered the minimun effective dose by many. 600 mg - 1 200 mg a typical range. Oral Epiandro is fast acting and a bit 'short lived', so the best timing is preWO. I suggest trying out 300 mg preWO the first time and if no issues (like BP spike or anxiety that some may get), then try 600 preWO next time and if you choose to go higher, try that amount preWO. If higher amounts at once give you some issues, then you can divide it to morning and preWO. On non training days just take when most practical, like in the morning or morning and noon. Or if the amount of Epiandro you acquire is not enough to use daily, then take only preWO. I like to run daily from start to finish though.With the epi added to the stack do I need to stagger what and when I take? Do I take them all for up to 8 weeks or do I take the 1 andro and 4 andro then start the epi later? Also if I use nolva do I need to start on pct during my last week on cycle?
Thank you so much for your timely and very detailed responses. You are awesome. I ordered a couple bottles of the Stano. Planning to pick up the nolva from ma research like you said. Again, thank you. I greatly appreciate it.I would run them all from the start (and have). But if you want to save money or for some other reason don't have/get enough Epiandro, then put it in the latter part of the run, so you'll finish with the most amount of androgens. 600 mg of oral Epiandro is considered the minimun effective dose by many. 600 mg - 1 200 mg a typical range. Oral Epiandro is fast acting and a bit 'short lived', so the best timing is preWO. I suggest trying out 300 mg preWO the first time and if no issues (like BP spike or anxiety that some may get), then try 600 preWO next time and if you choose to go higher, try that amount preWO. If higher amounts at once give you some issues, then you can divide it to morning and preWO. On non training days just take when most practical, like in the morning or morning and noon. Or if the amount of Epiandro you acquire is not enough to use daily, then take only preWO. I like to run daily from start to finish though.
Start your Nolva the day after your last Andro dose. 20/20/20/20 so 20 mg daily for 4 weeks is what I usually do. 20/20/10/10 is also a popular dosing scheme for Nolva. But it's worth to note, that Wesley said above, that he has his clients typically use a serm 2-3 months.. Before (during) and after bloods would tell the story best.
No problem mate = ) I've gotten help here too, this is a good forum, welcome to AM. I think code "smont" gives some discount on the MA site.Thank you so much for your timely and very detailed responses. You are awesome. I ordered a couple bottles of the Stano. Planning to pick up the nolva from ma research like you said. Again, thank you. I greatly appreciate it.
Morning day 4:
Ended up getting to the PO box Monday, started Tuesday.
Only day four, not feeling anything crazy. Been applying the andro to shoulders and ursa to arms/ribs in AM, andro to shoulders and arms in PM.
Personal life and mood have been turbulent for a month now, but seems unaffected.
May drop the E-control as someone pointed out I don't need it with a non aromatizing substance.
I weight in at 163.8lbs this morning, that seems to be an outlier though. I didn't eat all of my food yesterday, and the rest of the week I've still been hanging around 166-167 when weighed. Vascularity unchanged, abs did look better in mirror, though that may have been the sunlight.
lifts and stamina seem unchanged for now and I don't expect any noticeable changes till after the two week mark.
Here are the details for the rest of the IML stack, excluding the 1-andro:
"Ultra Male"
E-control
- Prolensis® (Bulbine Natalensis PE 10:1 Extract) – 200mg
- Fenusol® (Fenugreek Seed Extract) – 200mg
- Urtica Dioica (Stinging Nettle PE 10:1 Extract) – 125mg
- Maca Root (PE 20:1 Extract) – 125mg
- Bioperine® – 10mg
Cycle support
- Androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione – 25mg
- Chlorophytum Borivilianum (50% extract) – 250mg
- Indole-3-carbinol (I3C) – 200mg
Anabolic matrix
- Milk Thistle (Silybum Marianum) – 500mg
- Glutathione (GSH) – 400mg
- Artichoke (4:1 extract) – 300mg
- Hawthorne Berry – 300mg
- Saw Palmetto (Serenoa Repens) – 200mg
- Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) – 100mg
- Celery Seed (Extract) – 100mg
- Grape Seed (Extract) – 100mg
- Tribulus Terrestris (40% Extract/20% Protodioscin) – 450mg
- Maca Root (PE 4:1 Extract) – 300mg
- Tongkat Ali (PE 20:1 Extract) – 250mg
- Diindolylmethane (DIM) – 200mg
- Chrysin (5,7-Dihydroxyflavone) – 100mg
- 5-DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone) – 15mg
- Bioperine® – 10mg
Kind of intimidated/skeptical of how minimal the MA site is. Is their stuff legit? Also they don’t really give an explanation of what anything is. Would you add anything to the 1and 4 and + epi stack? Want to maximize my results.No problem mate = ) I've gotten help here too, this is a good forum, welcome to AM. I think code "smont" gives some discount on the MA site.
They have a good reputation. Amount of info on site probably due to the nature of the products (RC).Kind of intimidated/skeptical of how minimal the MA site is. Is their stuff legit? Also they don’t really give an explanation of what anything is. Would you add anything to the 1and 4 and + epi stack? Want to maximize my results.
Thanks a lot man. You’re the best. I would’ve been lost without all your help. I feel like I owe you a bottle of something.They have a good reputation. Amount of info on site probably due to the nature of the products (RC).
From a maximizing results POV, I can't think of anything to add (unless adding more gear, but it's a different cycle then). It's allways good to have an AI on hand, when running anything hormonal, although probably no immediate need for it for that stack, but you never know. Many like to add support supps, like OL K1ngs Shield or solo NAC and stuff, but those are not for maximizing results.
Well we do have a whisky thread going on and I've been looking to try some new flavors Lol, jk, we're good.Thanks a lot man. You’re the best. I would’ve been lost without all your help. I feel like I owe you a bottle of something.
Hey sorry to bother you again. I just discovered apex alchemy and they have the BOGO sale going on. Would any of those products work alongside what I have now? Or any of those I could use as a replacement for what I already have to extend my cycle?Well we do have a whisky thread going on and I've been looking to try some new flavors Lol, jk, we're good.
@Smont is very good at explaining...if you have questions about MA stuff he is the guy to ask.Kind of intimidated/skeptical of how minimal the MA site is. Is their stuff legit? Also they don’t really give an explanation of what anything is. Would you add anything to the 1and 4 and + epi stack? Want to maximize my results.
Kind of intimidated/skeptical of how minimal the MA site is. Is their stuff legit? Also they don’t really give an explanation of what anything is. Would you add anything to the 1and 4 and + epi stack? Want to maximize my results.
The reason there site is limited is because he only puts out products he believes work and trusts the source.Hey sorry to bother you again. I just discovered apex alchemy and they have the BOGO sale going on. Would any of those products work alongside what I have now? Or any of those I could use as a replacement for what I already have to extend my cycle?
i thought he said he had some questions about MA products, that was why i tagged you?And I'm not just saying that about ma, that goes for every other company here as well. Ive been a member on this forum for over 10 years. I wouldn't associate myself with a company I didn't trust and I will even go as far as saying that I'm willing to vouch for the other board sponsors that I have nothing to do with.
Apex is great. I don't think I'd personally necessary add anything to the PH stack though Let the Andros do the work. This of course doesn't mean you can't or won't benefit of any, but I would personally just go with the Andros and go for Apex and other natty stuff after the run.Hey sorry to bother you again. I just discovered apex alchemy and they have the BOGO sale going on. Would any of those products work alongside what I have now? Or any of those I could use as a replacement for what I already have to extend my cycle?