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Help with my first Superdrone LV cycle.

AmericanJambo

AmericanJambo

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OK, I'm 34. 6'0". 196 pounds. About 13% BF. I've been lifting for a solid 5 years. I've never done a cycle of anything so this is my first. I purchased the "Superdrone Muscle Stack" from Primordial Performance. This kit includes:
Superdrone LV
Liver Juice
Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade
Toco-8
EndoAmp

The recommended dosage with this kit/pct is as such:

Week 1 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily)
Week 2 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily)
Week 3-6 : SD-LV (1ml, twice daily), Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily), Toco 8 (1 Scoop)
Week 7-8 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily), Toco 8 (1 Scoop), Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade (5ml, twice daily. 5 days on, 2 days off), EndoAmp (1 scoop)
Week 9-10: Toco 8 (1 Scoop), Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade (5ml, twice daily. 5 days on, 2 days off), EndoAmp (1 scoop)

I'll also be taking fishoil, flaxseed oil and liquid calcium w/vit D.

Now my question is this, since the LV technology makes the SD 50% more bioavailable and 1ml=10mg of SD, that would mean this cycle would be like taking 30mg of regular SD daily which is way more then any SD cycle I've seen. As this is my first cycle of anything I was thinking that maybe .5ml twice daily for the first week (which would be 10mg of LV or the equilivant of 15mg of regular SD) and .75ml (which would be 15mg of LV or the equilivant of 22.5mg of regular SD) for the rest 3 would be a better cycle for me. Any thoughts?

Rob
 
I`m running a similar cycle(see Starting Cycle Sunday thread) but if you are a first time user I would recommend doing Superdrone weeks 4-6 for 3 weeks. 4 weeks of normal Super is very taxing on the liver. 4 weeks of this may be too much.
 
go for the .5ml two times each day. 10mg's is enough to see gains, and minimize sides. and after the first week, you can up the dose to 20mg if you feel you need it, but I think you can get through with 10mg for your first cycle.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. So what are the first symptoms of sides/shutting down should I be looking for. I'm extremely in tune with my body so I notice even small changes quickly. Also in regards to running only 3 week instead of 4 for my first cycle, on average of course, what type of gains could I hope for? Thanks for answering all the noob questions. I've done a lot of research about the effects, side effects and what not but this is all great info.
 
some things you'll look for is, lethargy or tiredness, lack of sex drive, and the biggest thing you might notice is your testes shrink to about half their normal size.
 
jbryand101b said:
some things you'll look for is, lethargy or tiredness, lack of sex drive, and the biggest thing you might notice is your testes shrink to about half their normal size.
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That sounds awesome! Can't wait for that. So how typical are these sides? I've read conflicting info on just about everythig when it comes to SD. Some places I'll read it has almost no instance of sides, other places say it's high in sides.

I'll be stating out at 1ml a day instead of 2ml a day or the first week or two. Depending upon how well I tollerate it I might bump it up to 1.5ml a day for the last week or two. Not sure If I'm going to run it for 3 or 4 weeks. Might do 1ml/1.5ml/1.5ml or 1ml/1ml/1.5ml/1.5ml.
 
at 10mg each day, you shouldn't notice any sides like back/calf pumps. esp. if you have a good diet.

but once you get to 20mg, thats when you begin to feel the sides for sure.
and thirty, it's guranteed. unless your a lucky handful.
 
I would go for .5 or even .25 mate to start and then work up to 20 daily. You dont even have to go up to 20. Some people run cycles on 5 mg. Sides can be pretty harsh. Atleast with me. Superdrol is a very effective product and is to beleived that dosed at low doses works the best. Just a Thought. Sides would include high blood pressure, colesterol, lethargic, some people say shutdown, but others it might not effect. Me on the other hand i get more of a sex drive. But i normally pulse superdrol. Which is what im going to do with this same product your using on superdrone lv.

Since the stuff is liquid you will be able to dose really really low if you want. thats what i would do and work your way up. Make sure to have some dhea for the lethargy. Pm if you have any problems bro!
 
jbryand101b said:
I didn't say whats that, i said why is that?

I know why a serm would be needed, i just want to see if he knows.
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oh? im being tested? lol..

you're taking superdrol, i highly doubt anything OTC will help you recover. I like PP but i just cant fathom OTC PCT for superdrol. If someone can explain please do.
 
i see. sounds like your going from what you've heard, and not experience.

depending on the dose and time on cycle, will depend on if a serm would be wise.
but it's always smart to have it on had just in case.

sd @ 10mg e/d wouldn't require a serm, and would provide lean, easily maintainable gains.

I've yet to run the t.r. stack, but I just got mine in the mail today, and will be running it in addition to nolva after comming off an 8 week cycle of sd bridged into pro dienolone/pstanz.
I have faith in the tr stack, and am sure it will greatly aid in the recovery. after i run it, i'll be able to tell if the nolva was needed or not.
 
jbryand101b said:
i see. sounds like your going from what you've heard, and not experience.

depending on the dose and time on cycle, will depend on if a serm would be wise.
but it's always smart to have it on had just in case.

sd @ 10mg e/d wouldn't require a serm, and would provide lean, easily maintainable gains.

I've yet to run the t.r. stack, but I just got mine in the mail today, and will be running it in addition to nolva after comming off an 8 week cycle of sd bridged into pro dienolone/pstanz.
I have faith in the tr stack, and am sure it will greatly aid in the recovery. after i run it, i'll be able to tell if the nolva was needed or not.
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yeah i dont have experience with sdrol yet..bu soon i will. but maybe its jsut me but tren and 1-t both needed serms for me. i tried otc for tren and didnt recover right. sdrol is alot more harsh.
 
So the more I read the more I'm intrigued by bridging Superdrol into another PH such as Epi/Tren etc. I was thinking about bridging my 3 week Superdron LV cycle into 3 weeks of Epi to solidify my gains. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
 
AmericanJambo said:
So the more I read the more I'm intrigued by bridging Superdrol into another PH such as Epi/Tren etc. I was thinking about bridging my 3 week Superdron LV cycle into 3 weeks of Epi to solidify my gains. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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Good idea but I don't think its a good idea if its your first cycle. Maybe add methyl 1d to your cycle to make pct easy
 
After a bit more Epi research I'm concerned about the hairloss. I found a good deal on some CEL X-Tren. I was thinking about this cycle.
Superdrone LV 1ml/1ml/1ml/0/0/0
Tren 0/0/60mg/90mg/90mg/90mg
 
AmericanJambo said:
OK, I'm 34. 6'0". 196 pounds. About 13% BF. I've been lifting for a solid 5 years. I've never done a cycle of anything so this is my first. I purchased the "Superdrone Muscle Stack" from Primordial Performance. This kit includes:
Superdrone LV
Liver Juice
Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade
Toco-8
EndoAmp


The recommended dosage with this kit/pct is as such:

Week 1 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily)
Week 2 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily)
Week 3-6 : SD-LV (1ml, twice daily), Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily), Toco 8 (1 Scoop)
Week 7-8 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily), Toco 8 (1 Scoop), Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade (5ml, twice daily. 5 days on, 2 days off), EndoAmp (1 scoop)
Week 9-10: Toco 8 (1 Scoop), Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade (5ml, twice daily. 5 days on, 2 days off), EndoAmp (1 scoop)

I'll also be taking fishoil, flaxseed oil and liquid calcium w/vit D.

Now my question is this, since the LV technology makes the SD 50% more bioavailable and 1ml=10mg of SD, that would mean this cycle would be like taking 30mg of regular SD daily which is way more then any SD cycle I've seen. As this is my first cycle of anything I was thinking that maybe .5ml twice daily for the first week (which would be 10mg of LV or the equilivant of 15mg of regular SD) and .75ml (which would be 15mg of LV or the equilivant of 22.5mg of regular SD) for the rest 3 would be a better cycle for me. Any thoughts?

Rob
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Unreal's Guide to Superdrol

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AmericanJambo said:
So how would you run this with a 3 week cycle of Superdrone LV?
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take 3 caps a day. itll help with lethargy and libido. my policy is to always run a compound solo before stacking so you can learn to identify issues and feel how it works itself. if you somehow do decide on tren, and some b-6 and vitex to combat gyno
 
imasleep said:
take 3 caps a day. itll help with lethargy and libido. my policy is to always run a compound solo before stacking so you can learn to identify issues and feel how it works itself. if you somehow do decide on tren, and some b-6 and vitex to combat gyno
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I was looking more at bridging as opposed to stacking.
 
AmericanJambo said:
I was looking more at bridging as opposed to stacking.
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i hate to be the party pooper but how is SD- LV even legal? If its what everyone says it is? Im not knocking it, i plan to order some myself. Im just wondering how legit this can even be if the well known REAL sh*t is so illegal...
 
AmericanJambo said:
I was looking more at bridging as opposed to stacking.
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Regardless, as a first time user of superdrol, the size/strength you get should be through the roof as it is.
Jaysannn22 said:
i hate to be the party pooper but how is SD- LV even legal? If its what everyone says it is? Im not knocking it, i plan to order some myself. Im just wondering how legit this can even be if the well known REAL sh*t is so illegal...
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It's the methylated version of masteron, even though they have different characteristics. The FDA doesn't watch the supplement industry closely so until someone effs up, that's the only time they jump in to illegalize a compound.
 
imasleep said:
Regardless, as a first time user of superdrol, the size/strength you get should be through the roof as it is.
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I'm not really looking for greater gains, I'm just looking to solidify and keep my gains. I don't want to put on 15-20 pounds just to lose 10 of them.
 
AmericanJambo said:
I'm not really looking for greater gains, I'm just looking to solidify and keep my gains. I don't want to put on 15-20 pounds just to lose 10 of them.
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that would be more on your pct and after though. id increase cals by 500 on pct, keep lifting heavy, take creatine, a natty, bcaas to sip on all day..anything to stay as anabolic as possible for at least pct and a month more.
 
imasleep said:
Regardless, as a first time user of superdrol, the size/strength you get should be through the roof as it is.


It's the methylated version of masteron, even though they have different characteristics. The FDA doesn't watch the supplement industry closely so until someone effs up, that's the only time they jump in to illegalize a compound.
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now see that makes sense except where you said its a clone of Masteron. I kept hearing its a clone of Superdrol???
 
Jaysannn22 said:
ok cool. But isn't masteron a cutting agent? not necessarily a bulking agent?
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from PP website:
Methyldrostanolone is a C-17 alpha alkylated steroid, originally developed by the American pharmaceutical company Syntex. This steroid is already active and does not require conversion. Methyldrostanolone is the 17aa version of the injectable steroid drostanolone (Masteron). This extra methylation makes this steroid about 3-4x more anabolic than Masteron, and slightly more anabolic than oxandrolone (Anavar). Due to the dimethylation, the toxicity of methyldrostanolone is greater than most other oral steroids.
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imasleep said:
from PP website:
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Masteron is a derivative of DHT (as you can tell from its chemical name: 2a-methyl-dihydro-testosterone propionate), but what they fail to tell you is that DHT and its derivatives are commonly used in treatment of certain forms of breast cancer (see the etymology here: MASTectomy, gynocoMASTia, MASTeron, get it?). Masteron is not clinically used for weight gain (as is common with most steroids), so this makes it a very unique steroid from that perspective. Unfortunately, much of the information on Masteron available in medical journals doesn´t focus on weight or strength gain or even fat loss, for those reasons. Most information on Masteron focuses on it´s use in treating certain forms of breast cancer, and it does this reasonably well.(4)(5) To give you an idea, Masteron + Tamoxifen actually fared better than Chemotherapy for immediate objective responses from patients (8).So? What does this tell us? Well, this makes it a very exciting drug for a lot of reasons. Clearly it won´t aromatize at all nor will it have progesteronic sides, remember, Nolvadex (and most ancillaries) are used to reduce estrogen for breast cancer patients, so a drug used to treat breast cancer obviously wouldn´t convert to estrogen...and in fact Masteron may interact with the aromatase enzymes to inhibit aromatization of other steroids into estrogen, and may additionally interact with estrogen (as a "blocker" of sorts) at the receptor site. (4)(5) This is how it helps to combat breast cancer, obviously, but this could also be part of the reason that Masteron is considered a "cutting" or "Pre-contest" drug. -Steroid.com :question:
 
Well it works.. I wouldnt take sd as a pct. Ill pass on that. If thats what they say to do, then have at it buddy. tell me how it goes ill be on the sidelines laughing or with my mouth dropped. i bet my money on laughing though.
 
madds87 said:
Well it works.. I wouldnt take sd as a pct. Ill pass on that. If thats what they say to do, then have at it buddy. tell me how it goes ill be on the sidelines laughing or with my mouth dropped. i bet my money on laughing though.
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Sd as pct?
 
imasleep said:
Sd as pct?
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Hey guys, this is just my take on things. its just speculation. I never said I'm right everyone who opposes is wrong. Im just doing reading ( like most people should do) before asking dumb questions. I am just stating the data as I find it. Fuk, people, whats with all the hostility?
 
Ive never even considered Superdrone for PCT. Interesting, but for now im only using as an on cycle compound. No hostility here, good on folks asking questions and learning.
 
Jaysannn22 said:
i hate to be the party pooper but how is SD- LV even legal? If its what everyone says it is? Im not knocking it, i plan to order some myself. Im just wondering how legit this can even be if the well known REAL sh*t is so illegal...
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Superdrol and it`s clones(M Drol, S Drol, S Roid, etc) is NOT illegal. Neither is Epistane and it`s clones. At least not YET anyway. A lot of companies stopped making it because they don`t want the attention.
 
AmericanJambo said:
OK, I'm 34. 6'0". 196 pounds. About 13% BF. I've been lifting for a solid 5 years. I've never done a cycle of anything so this is my first. I purchased the "Superdrone Muscle Stack" from Primordial Performance. This kit includes:
Superdrone LV
Liver Juice
Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade
Toco-8
EndoAmp

The recommended dosage with this kit/pct is as such:

Week 1 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily)
Week 2 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily)
Week 3-6 : SD-LV (1ml, twice daily), Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily), Toco 8 (1 Scoop)
Week 7-8 : Liver Juice (5ml, twice daily), Toco 8 (1 Scoop), Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade (5ml, twice daily. 5 days on, 2 days off), EndoAmp (1 scoop)
Week 9-10: Toco 8 (1 Scoop), Sustain Alpha Liqua-Vade (5ml, twice daily. 5 days on, 2 days off), EndoAmp (1 scoop)

I'll also be taking fishoil, flaxseed oil and liquid calcium w/vit D.

Now my question is this, since the LV technology makes the SD 50% more bioavailable and 1ml=10mg of SD, that would mean this cycle would be like taking 30mg of regular SD daily which is way more then any SD cycle I've seen. As this is my first cycle of anything I was thinking that maybe .5ml twice daily for the first week (which would be 10mg of LV or the equilivant of 15mg of regular SD) and .75ml (which would be 15mg of LV or the equilivant of 22.5mg of regular SD) for the rest 3 would be a better cycle for me. Any thoughts?

Rob
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everyone is different. I would rec storing the SD and running for 6 weeks at 90mg a day. It was my first ph and i gained 12 lbs all lean. Save the SD for your 2nd cycle in a few mths after that. Then you could run a longer SD cycle, maby bridged into something and be able to access sides / gains more effectively.

also if you look under the two stacks how to dose, when to take liver juice, pct ect.. is all layed out and clearly explained.
 
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