HAVOC/EPISTANE Libido

Libido and Sexual Performance Change

  • went up

    Votes: 79 34.2%

  • stayed the same

    Votes: 62 26.8%

  • went down

    Votes: 90 39.0%
  • Total voters
    231
scorpiond said:
Check out some of the current Havoc logs either here or at bb.com, I remember reading about those guys dosing dhea
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I tried the DHEA think with Havoc and it didn't help. It might of made it worse. I think 4AD would make a better stacker with this or test.
 
Also, it is essential that you are taking in plenty of the following:

Zinc, Magnesium, calcium, Selenium, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and getting plenty of sun (or supplementing with Vitamin D...but preferrably the first.)
 
well ill update again later but as of now, in week 2 of epi......crazy libido and boners galore lol. i havent gone over 40mg yet but noticed the boost even at 10-20mg. Ill see if it drops off like alot of people have said.
 
has anyone stacked Havoc and Epistane? If so was it a good stack? how much did you gain?
Mmowry, did u run 2 cycles of epistane in a row?
 
I have to give my input now. I used epidrol and for the first week my libido was super high i was getting boners left and right and couldnt stop my sexual desire, it was great. Second week was much of the same and third week was more than my norm but less than week1&2. Fourth week it began to drop but im still able and willing, just not so many surprise random erections.
 
For me my libido went up in the first 2 weeks with havoc. The 3rd week it was normal and in the 4th week i had no desire to have sex what so ever my libido was gone and my girlfriend was pissed......
 
I just finished my M-Drol (superdrol) and I noticed good wood all the way through, I still am going now into PCT, but it died down a little bit.

I remember that when I took the Originial JW (I heard it had traces of D-Bol in it), it actually KILLED my libido by week 5 which was strange. I took some hottie home from the gym, started nailing her, then was like "WTF..it's softing up on me". Defintely wasn't cool, but I got the job done.
:bb3:
 
RwhJR3 said:
I just finished my M-Drol (superdrol) and I noticed good wood all the way through, I still am going now into post cycle therapy, but it died down a little bit.

I remember that when I took the Originial JW (I heard it had traces of D-Bol in it), it actually KILLED my libido by week 5 which was strange. I took some hottie home from the gym, started nailing her, then was like "WTF..it's softing up on me". Defintely wasn't cool, but I got the job done.
:bb3:
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this is about havoc/epistane or epi like compound libido.

its alright tho. JW probably killed your libido because of estrogen suppression. Never heard of there being trace dbol in it.
 
Interesting results on libido.

Another thing is Fenugreek has helped my libido even during cycle.

I have been playing with the 7wk idea, but stacked wtih pp/zol overlaping at wk 4. Im very curious, now esp if the drop is assoicated with wk 3-4 and gets worse over the duration.
 
pistonpump said:
I have to give my input now. I used epidrol and for the first week my libido was super high i was getting boners left and right and couldnt stop my sexual desire, it was great. Second week was much of the same and third week was more than my norm but less than week1&2. Fourth week it began to drop but im still able and willing, just not so many surprise random erections.
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I'm pulsing Epidrol, and I must say I have the same experience with you, it started high, and now it has declined as the weeks pass, I'm on my fifth week at the moment.
 
Solitude said:
I'm pulsing Epidrol, and I must say I have the same experience with you, it started high, and now it has declined as the weeks pass, I'm on my fifth week at the moment.
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haha we are alike libido wise then, actually ive seen the same with a few others and epidrol. I just hope it doesnt take a long time to comeback after cycle...i remember my little stint with sdrol....had great libido then i had trouble gettting it back for months! Epi better not do this.
 
pistonpump said:
haha we are alike libido wise then, actually ive seen the same with a few others and epidrol. I just hope it doesnt take a long time to comeback after cycle...i remember my little stint with sdrol....had great libido then i had trouble gettting it back for months! Epi better not do this.
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Yeah you're right, I'm kinda worried now, if I feel that it takes a long time to get back normally then I'll do some strong post cycle therapy with clomid or nolva.
 
JZ7757 said:
Interesting results on libido.

Another thing is Fenugreek has helped my libido even during cycle.

I have been playing with the 7wk idea, but stacked wtih pp/zol overlaping at wk 4. Im very curious, now esp if the drop is assoicated with wk 3-4 and gets worse over the duration.
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It is interesting that fenugreek increased libido on cycle. I don't understand how fenugreek does this because people say that it increases prolactin.
 
Solitude said:
I'm pulsing Epidrol, and I must say I have the same experience with you, it started high, and now it has declined as the weeks pass, I'm on my fifth week at the moment.
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You may want to take POST Cycle Support on the off days. With the Icariian and Trans-Resveratrol in it you may be pleasantly surprised. We have reports from guys whose libido took a dive and then within days of taking the POST Cycle Support on the off days they were good to go.

IMO it would be better to start it from the get go as I did and am having ZERO libido issues, actually just the opposite.


CROWLER
 
Havoc just made me loose my interest in porno, which freed up some spare time LOL. I still nailed my GF every time she came over ;)
 
So to recap this thread...those with libido issues while on Epi should try adding:

Post Cycle Support and/or DHEA

Correct?

Mine went down when on Havoc...so I think i will try adding both PCS and DHEA next time during an Epi Pulse.
 
Cordeen said:
So to recap this thread...those with libido issues while on Epi should try adding:

Post Cycle Support and/or DHEA

Correct?

Mine went down when on Havoc...so I think i will try adding both PCS and DHEA next time during an Epi Pulse.
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DHEA made it worse for me. PCS will probably do the trick though.
 
I did a seven week cycle of havoc and my sex drive decreased but it was not a massive decrease. 1AD had a more pronounced effect than Havoc for me.
 
Sup guys....Somewhat simular experience here.

I ran a sub-par 5wk Epi/Trn stack in November, and my libido went down a little during the first two weeks (epi alone), then really crashed for the remaining three weeks. I chalk that up to the TRN mostly, though. Otherwise, Epi was impressive...pretty much side free.
 
Epidrol KILLED my libido and function at 2 weeks dosing 30mgs.
Next time I will pulse it and add a test booster or PCS from AI.
 
ive taken 3 cycles of this compound the first 2 were epistane ran straight. and im currently in my fifth week of pulsing epidrol....for all of the cycles regardless of the dose my libido went crazy high for the first 2 weeks i can last for ever and do it over and over again....then it goes downhill from there, and after 3 weeks i start to get premature ejaculation and cant control when i wanna bust like i usually can....ive noticed after the 3 week mark that libido is higher within the few hrs after taking the dose,
 
Epistane gave me random wood all day long for 2-3 weeks then the libido dropped. Added in DHEA after that, about 150mg worth, and there was no need for me to dig into my aspire stash or anything of the sort, even though I went really high on my epi dose. Funny thing was morning wood never really stopped for me throughout (and I went a long time on it) but then again I was taking hcg. In pct now, still taking dhea and morning wood is still there. Libido's been better though.

Oh, and side effect wise, I had shedding on epi, no acne, but acne started when I threw in the dhea. Had some BP issues in the start, but I was running zol alongside for a couple weeks, wasn't worth it so I dropped that and things were fine after. Also noticed some headaches and weird cramping when going higher on the doseage. But it was higher than the typical dose (60mg for last 2 weeks) so I don't think it'd be a normal side. I've tried pulsing in the past, and imo, it was worse on shutdown than a normal cycle has been in the past. I still think it's safer to run a typical cycle, no pulse, and adding in hcg or PCS/sustain at minimum (throughout) to let you bounce back faster/easier.
 
dsade said:
For those that find libido dropping, have you tried adding in DHEA?
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Dsade, Are you suggesting this because there will be some estrogen conversion with the dhea? In which case, are you thinking the libido loss is due to crushing estrogen with havoc/epi?

Looking at the poll results, this is crazy how the same compound effects everyone drastically differently.
 
I agree...it's weird how some have increase & some have decrease libido. Hormonallly I don't understand how taking exogenouos (sp) testosterone can increase libido. I always thought outside Test is suppressive! That's the way it was for me!
 
lol funny how many peopl ehave different reactions to compounds! my libido has stayed the same and im in my 4th week of epi.

this week and last week have been at 40mg too! sad thing is i dont think im a strong responder to epi...only about a 5lb gain n weight, but have leaned out a bit and strength on all lifts have gone up quite a bit.

i thinkin about a cycle of superdrol soon...wonder how small doses would do on my libido since i was okay with epistane?
 
Havoc at 30/30/40/40 had some of the best libido enhancement that I've ever had. I typically have a sensitive libido and honestly expected a detrimental effect. I did run 100mg DHEA the entire time. However, I don't suspect that the DHEA is having much effect. I gained 8 pounds with 6 being lean mass according to skinfolds. Only side worth mentioning was strong lethargy.

I bridged into Superdrol with formestane/trione TD combo at a super low dose. Libido is currently unaffected at about 10 days into the SD bridge.

Here is the link to the current page of my log: Invalid Link Removed

The 2nd post on page 1 is regularly updated with statistical progression and weekly summaries in case you don't want to waste time sifting through the entire log.
 
celc5 said:
Havoc at 30/30/40/40 had some of the best libido enhancement that I've ever had. I typically have a sensitive libido and honestly expected a detrimental effect. I did run 100mg DHEA the entire time. However, I don't suspect that the DHEA is having much effect. I gained 8 pounds with 6 being lean mass according to skinfolds. Only side worth mentioning was strong lethargy.

I bridged into Superdrol with formestane/trione TD combo at a super low dose. Libido is currently unaffected at about 10 days into the SD bridge.

Here is the link to the current page of my log: Invalid Link Removed

The 2nd post on page 1 is regularly updated with statistical progression and weekly summaries in case you don't want to waste time sifting through the entire log.
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very nice man! yeh i forgot to mention i have been dosing DHEA about 50mg a day, but i doubt that is a huge factor in how my libido is damn fine while on epi.

sounds like a nice bridge man, ill check her out ;)
 
I think I mentioned this some where on this thread that Epi shut me down...made me limp, very depressing! I am on Dermacrine and it is giving me good morning wood.

Lucky.
 
Im on off day #4 and I have NO Drive whatsoever to even think of it... When i was taking Epi + Trib.. it was REDIC... Like to the point where i'd finish and it'd just plain hurt because i didnt even want it, lol, and now its all gone :(

hopefully in 4 weeks it'll be okay
 
I am on day 8 of havoc and guess it shut me down. My little pirate is swabbing the decks and that is all he has interest in doing.
 
i know nobody likes to get into this business.. but it seems most users report increased libido with epistane.. and libido down from havoc... that being said... epi made me so horny.. every sexy girl i looked at i just wanted to give an old swing in the batters box.. although erections seemed not quite as strong in the 4th week at 50mg.. nothing to worry about.. still was so horny and could perform fine
 
PumpingIron said:
I just want to make sure that everyone understands what libido is...

It seems as though there might be somewhat of a misunderstanding in the poll.

Libido is the want to have sex. Not the ability.
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Yes but I would rather have the ability without the desire than the desire without the ability. As long as it's hard I can fake the desire, but you can't really fake the ability. And having no ability is a little more embarassing.
 
Well 33days Later After Clomid/Trib/Yohimbe and have the URGE more then ever lol, i Feigned it now, Thank god u can bring yourself back to normal :P
 
bigzach1234 said:
i know nobody likes to get into this business.. but it seems most users report increased libido with epistane.. and libido down from havoc... that being said... epi made me so horny.. every sexy girl i looked at i just wanted to give an old swing in the batters box.. although erections seemed not quite as strong in the 4th week at 50mg.. nothing to worry about.. still was so horny and could perform fine
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totally agree there bigzach

my cycle (still on it till Jan 30) started with Havoc bridged to epistane (I f***ed that one up with pill count --long story) and epi was as u said and havoc------kinda shutdown--

on other hand, the gains were opposite with each product--
 
Havoc is a LIBIDO KILLER!!!!!!!1

Havoc KILLED my libido and it took me a month to recover. I made the mistake of using Nolva instead of Clomid and I won't make that mistake again. Not only libido but erection strength was affected as well. Very weak erections.
My gains were GREAT but the libido issue was terrible. Cheers, angel77
 
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