Have you used X-factor?
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TeamSavage
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JJ and Mace - Just out of curiosity, what kind of perks or compensation do you get for being a rep? Do you get paid? Do you get an unlimited supply of products for personal use?
machinehead
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The first time I used 3 expired bottles of the old batch I got for the price of one. I didn't notice anything but other variables were not quite conducive at the time at all.
Second time I used it for 50 days at a gram. It was also the first time I was on UD 2.0 so it's hard the separate the effects, but on my fourth week I got 10 reps on the incline with the 85 pounders on Thursday's workout. For those of you unfamiliar with UD 2.0, Thursday is preceded by 2 glycogen-depleting workouts on Monday and Tuesday and 3 and a half days on 1000 kcal and less than 30 grams of carbs a day. I was around 172 @ 5'9" at the time. The effects diminished sharply the last two weeks though, could have been because of losing too much weight but I did lose a lot of fat back then.
Second time I used it for 50 days at a gram. It was also the first time I was on UD 2.0 so it's hard the separate the effects, but on my fourth week I got 10 reps on the incline with the 85 pounders on Thursday's workout. For those of you unfamiliar with UD 2.0, Thursday is preceded by 2 glycogen-depleting workouts on Monday and Tuesday and 3 and a half days on 1000 kcal and less than 30 grams of carbs a day. I was around 172 @ 5'9" at the time. The effects diminished sharply the last two weeks though, could have been because of losing too much weight but I did lose a lot of fat back then.
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Aeternitatis said:
If you consider Health issues(pros and cons), I rather run Anabolic PumP, PowerFULL, creatine, X-factor, leucine and then switch to activate, 6-oxo, beta alanine/citrulline to a cAMPHIBOLIC, cissus, symmetry, Alpha drive to a Cialabol..etc etc etc so on and so fourth.
Then D-bol, tren, test and suffer high cholesterol, liver values, blood pressure and the novice can sprout some titties and possibly some time behind a 6x6 cage. In a cage with some titties is not the best alternative without PCT.
jjohn
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USPLabs said:
Hehe. You got it buddy
I am also convinced that gains would be pretty awesome with that, and your sides will be minimal. I am lifting for health, and for the girls of course 
I also love the fact that there is no PCT needed on XF, and all the gains stay there too!
Drew1200
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I've run 2 cycle's of x-factor, about to start a third.
1st run (bulk)gained about 8lbs. and lost a little bf% (maybe 1-2%)
2nd run (cut)gained only 4lbs total, but lost atleast 10lbs of fat.
my favorite natural product by far. The 1st run I did I overlapped the last week with a 4 week run of max-lmg and prostanozol. I was more than happy with my gains, between x-factor & the ph's I gained about 16lbs total and easily kept 13-14.
I love the x-factor because the gains are solid, and they stick. I agree with Aeternitis... AA won't ever replace real cycles (works damn well as a bridge though...) but x-factor definitely give's any PH out right now a run for it's money. Gain's are similar, they tend to stick more, and your liver still loves you afterwards.
1st run (bulk)gained about 8lbs. and lost a little bf% (maybe 1-2%)
2nd run (cut)gained only 4lbs total, but lost atleast 10lbs of fat.
my favorite natural product by far. The 1st run I did I overlapped the last week with a 4 week run of max-lmg and prostanozol. I was more than happy with my gains, between x-factor & the ph's I gained about 16lbs total and easily kept 13-14.
I love the x-factor because the gains are solid, and they stick. I agree with Aeternitis... AA won't ever replace real cycles (works damn well as a bridge though...) but x-factor definitely give's any PH out right now a run for it's money. Gain's are similar, they tend to stick more, and your liver still loves you afterwards.
Wanker527
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i tried it and didn't notice much of anything. i did the 1250mg for 40 days cycle, cut out fish oil and anti-inflammatories, but didn't notice anything out of the ordinary as far as DOMS or gains go. should i try an even higher dose for a longer period?
6'2" 185lbs, around 12%bf, and was eating right around 4,000 cals/day which is a tad bit more than usual for me
6'2" 185lbs, around 12%bf, and was eating right around 4,000 cals/day which is a tad bit more than usual for me
dirtydean12
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i'm planning on stacking Mass FX, Hyper H(Syntrax version of X), Inhibit E, and Syntra EC(ecdy) in about a week or two...
Aeternitatis
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^^^:wtf:
As far as ecdy prods go, I prefer Thermolife's E-Bol or Scivation's Anagen.
But let's keep this thing on topic. We're polling about X-factor here. X-Factor: the very best PURE arachidonic acid product on the market. :blink:
As far as ecdy prods go, I prefer Thermolife's E-Bol or Scivation's Anagen.
But let's keep this thing on topic. We're polling about X-factor here. X-Factor: the very best PURE arachidonic acid product on the market. :blink:
jjohn
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dirtydean12 said:
MN:
1 cycle = 250 mg(1 cap) * 200 (2 bottles) = 50000 mg for 100$ = .002 cents each mg. right?
But wait!
Syntrax
1 cycle = 200 mg(1 cap) * 180(2 bottles) = 36000mg for 72$ = .002 cents each mg. What?
So basically, Syntrax is selling the stuff for the SAME PRICE! Buy MN.
Almost all the feedback you receive from AA comes from Molecular Nutrition's product. Just go with the real deal.
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TeamSavage
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jjohn said:Syntrax deserves a kick in the nuts. Stealing other's ideas is not cool at all. Plus, check this out:
MN:
1 cycle = 250 mg(1 cap) * 200 (2 bottles) = 50000 mg for 100$ = .002 cents each mg. right?
But wait!
Syntrax
1 cycle = 200 mg(1 cap) * 180(2 bottles) = 36000mg for 72$ = .002 cents each mg. What?
So basically, Syntrax is selling the stuff for the SAME PRICE! Buy MN. They introduced, and patented AA for increasing muscle mass in humans, and invested money on this.
Please try to avoid Syntrax at all costs. You are hurting us. Sponsor, and AM board at the same time..
Almost all the feedback you receive from AA comes from Molecular Nutrition's product. Just go with the real deal.
Actually, you can get Hyper H for less than $30 per bottle.
If MN patented AA for increasing muscle mass in humans, then how is Syntrax able to sell AA for just that purpose?
I appreciate the fact that MN sponsors the board. But the price of X-Factor is quite high. Perhaps people wouldn't be using Syntrax Hyper-H if X-Factor was reasonably priced? JM2C.
jjohn
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The fact is that they do not have the right to sell it for that purpose. There are legal actions taken for that issue. The reason why it's expensive is that there is a lot of money invested for research for the product:TeamSavage said:
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I will let you read the thread and you can make an informed decision:
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Ziricote
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The idea of patenting something like AA-which is naturally occuring and is in some foods-seems to me a bit far fetched...I can understand MN holding a patent on their blend but I just don't see how MN got a hold of the rights to be the only AA producer.
I'm not hatin', I just can't understand how MN was given the exclusive rights on the active. Was it finders-keepers at the patent office that day?
I'm not hatin', I just can't understand how MN was given the exclusive rights on the active. Was it finders-keepers at the patent office that day?
jjohn
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macedaddy said:
The problem is that Syntrax offers a "Supplement" meant to increase muscle mass. Baby formula is not a "Supplement", and does not state on the bottle that the AA in there is present for a reason. I don't think that BBers will start buying baby formula to help reach their goals :lol:
Hope this clarifies a bit
lilkev42
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I used XF at 1250 for 30 days, then I got sick and decided to stop. I loved the results, eating maintenance, no fish oils, but did not limit my consumption of omega3s through food. Gained around 4-5 lbs. and lost a good bit of body fat. I cant remember how much was lost, but I did love the results. After the new year I will grab another bottle and run what I have left. Headaches were the only sides and that was probably more to do with dehydration than anything.
Aeternitatis
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No, it's a different market and is not applicable.macedaddy said:
Essentially, with the patent that MN has, no one can sell a product containing arachidonic acid marketed towards the health and fitness crowd without first licensing from us. It's that simple. Those who infringe on the patent are taken to court (like Syntrax is right now).
Aeternitatis
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Similar to the patents that USP Labs hopes to be granted.Ziricote said:
East1600Plus
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no but im really thinking about giving it a try
Commonpremier21
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almost tried it awhile ago but the reports of inflammation and acne scared me away...
bLacKjAck.
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GL, MN with your legal battles, I agree with patenting it, if you did the research and you guys were the ones who developed the product, the road for other companies to try to make something similar should have to come through you guys. GL!
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Aeternitatis said:
Yes, correct. THis is a use patent.
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Aeternitatis said:
You will be sued and lose if you market it for the USE MN has the patent on.
p5sky
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macedaddy said:I am looking forward to that write up....
I have not used it yet.
I am planning a 1250mg cycle for 60 days in January. I am going to add Hyperdrol, MassFX, and Retain as well.
It is not recommended to stack with anti-inflammatories such as cissus based products. You may cut the Hyperdrol from your stack.
Aeternitatis
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And our use is for increasing muscle mass in humans... but that doesn't mean one can simply circumvent the patent by claiming that they're selling it as a "hormonal amplifier" or some other equally ambiguous term because the target market is the same: bodybuilding and fitness. If it were so easy to get around use patents, no one would be able to defend themselves against those who would thieve their ideas.USPLabs said:
That's why baby food with AA doesn't count. It's a completely different use and perhaps more importantly, it's a different market.
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UNCnate said:
Do you think the trials are in so that we can use Fish oil and still use x factor? I have not used fish oil for a few months now so I can get a clean start of x factor for 60 days. I really would like to do it for 8 weeks as my work out program is set for 8 weeks with a 1 to 2 week break.
djbombsquad
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New product from MN?jjohn said:
cervasa1977
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great product
djbombsquad
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What is this new product that is comming out from MN?
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It is a main part of a log that I have goin on right now in the Supplement Review forum. Go check it out Invalid Link Removed
Aeternitatis
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2 Tbsp. fish oil? Jesus man! That's a lot. That's about 30 grams of fish oil daily. If you do try XF, take a month or longer to taper down your dose to 2 teaspoons fish oil per day. If you just suddenly add XF right now with such a high fish oil dose or if you suddenly drop the fish oil, you will get some serious side effects.BOHICA said:
Man, that is just too much fish oil. How long have you been dosing that high?