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agreed! plus it's easier to monitor loss/growth, IMO...and you will require less of your regrowth products, as you wont lose much on the hair shafts...not to mention short hair is easier to maintain and can actually "hide" some recession, at least by not drawing the eye to it....
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Yep, nothing spells "Im balding" like a comb over.:) Look at the dude from The Transporter ,Jason Statham, obvious MPB but he carries it well by keeping his hair really short:
 
BigVrunga said:
Yep, nothing spells "Im balding" like a comb over.:) Look at the dude from The Transporter ,Jason Statham, obvious MPB but he carries it well by keeping his hair really short:
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ditto for bruce willis and a handful of others. it also helps to be perpetually cast as a complete badass who kills EVERYONE :)

so, my recommendation on concealing MPB is to kill a bunch of terrorists, drug dealers and assorted misfits and ne'er-do-wells.
 
i'll post again, this is the best stuff ever..
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shading, I ordered Toppik and another one as well, honestly, you could lose 50% of your hair and appear to have a full head of with this stuff.. I'm using it until I get the hairline fixed

hairline looks better than it did in 8th grade
 
oh it doesn't feel like anything,, it's shading (nearly makeup) but you can swim with it.. just wash it out - I've bought some others that actually add density to the hair.

google reviews for: Dermmatch, Toppik, Prothick - all are supposed to be awesome
 
I went to my doctor and he gave me nizoral 15 % gel solution. i asked for azelaic acid 2 %. I went to the pharmacy and they dont carry it. they told me to call back tomorrow morning. There going to call my doctor and try to order it. However if my insurance doesnt cover it , im not paying for it.

Ill just get ket powder whenever one of these sites on here carries it. but my doctor made a good point he said these companys that carry it, could mix it with another solution. thats why its important to find a company you trust.
 
Another Emu oil update:

Been using it about 2 weeks now. Ive noticed the amount of hair lost in the AM during showering, etc has decreased over the past 14 days. This morning, after vigourouslyapplying Nizoral, shampooing, conditioning, towel drying, and minoxidil application...I lost 2 hairs. And really making an effort to massage my scalp hard, too.

Its interesting, but still not enough time to say that its the Emu Oil that's doing it. Another 4 weeks of this and Ill be a believer.

BV
 
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Apple cider vineger is supposed to be a remedy for almost everything , including hairloss.

Someone on this tthis said to put olive oil in my hair i tryed that.

This thread is great

my hairs thick and healthy.
 
Interesting on Apple Cider vinegar Smeton! Supposedly you're supposed to drink it:

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Have you tried it?

BV
 
and another little update for me - i am using dutasteride and fluridil and the itching is completely gone and has been for almost a week now. in the afternoons i mix my crappy WSHCP spiro cream with regular thin lotion (to make it applicable) and rub that in. i also added some bold base transdermal (fun!) - i guess i am getting ****y!

did everyone read the thread on EF about boldenone reacting with 5BR almost exclusively, and not 5AR? interesting - it will convert to a 1-Test analog in the skin and prostate.
 
did everyone read the thread on EF about boldenone reacting with 5BR almost exclusively, and not 5AR? interesting - it will convert to a 1-Test analog in the skin and prostate.
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I did read that. Does anyone know what the conversion % is? Boldenone isnt known to be very androgenic - I'd assume its pretty small.
 
So far the dutasteride is amazing.
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hopefully it fills in and i dont need a transplant for another 6-8years
 
Any side effects from the duta CED? That toppik looks interesting...I dont really need it at the moment but there are some 'trouble spots' on my head I thought about filling in with one of these type of products. Can you really run your hands through your hair and everything?


BV
 
I've used dutas for 1.5 yrs. At .5mg per day it's more effective than 1mg of finas. But my hair continued to thin while on either medication, but at least the hairloss slowed down. At 1.5mg/day dutas, the hairloss slowed a lot but the thinning did not stop.

reduced libido is the only side of either drug that I encountered. With 1.5mg of dutas, say goodbye to your sex life. 2.5mg dutas should completely stop hairloss and even grow back hair, as it suppresses ~99% of DHT, but you'd probably have the libido of a 90 yr old man in a coma.
 
Thanks for the input, lifthardheavy. If that's what it comes to - Ill shave my head before I sacrifice any of my sex drive.:)

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
Thanks for the input, lifthardheavy. If that's what it comes to - Ill shave my head before I sacrifice any of my sex drive.:)

BV
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thats what i do.:lol: Im going to get my MPB anyway cuz i have receeding hairline now at 22 so i say the hell with hair.:sad: nah i know when i get older i will want a full head of hair but i have shaved my head for so long already. its just so much easier. I think it makes me look bigger anyway and more crazy looking haha
 
Let me get this right. I have heard that 5AR enzymes are located in diffrent parts off your body for example in your skin, skalp, prostate etc and does not circulated in your blood stream as testosterone does, right or wrong?

Lets say u produce 2000 hormones of testosterone and u have 100s of 5ARs in your scalp! 100 testo hormones will interact with 100 5ARs and convert too 100 DHT.

Then lets say u run a cycle and elevated your testo till 20000. Still with 100 5ARs in your head. Then i still get 100 hormones of DHT right ?
 
Btw found an answer for this one!

Some other thouhts i would like too bring up:

One really strange think to me is, testosterone peak occurs in the age of 20 and I suppose DHT conversion would be at its highest then aswell! And as we get older the testosterone level keeps falling aswell as DHT, aswell as the HAIR! Why is that, it makes no sense to me!?
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Yeah the testosterone and DHT levels lowers as u get older thats right. Why we shed is because the sensitivity increases during diffrent times. For some the "sensitivity gene" has an early influence, for some late! Some said take John Travolta for example who ever thought he would shed any at all, in his case sensetivity started in late age!
 
pistonpump said:
thats what i do.:lol: Im going to get my MPB anyway cuz i have receeding hairline now at 22 so i say the hell with hair.:sad: nah i know when i get older i will want a full head of hair but i have shaved my head for so long already. its just so much easier. I think it makes me look bigger anyway and more crazy looking haha
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LOL - i 100% agree. super short hair is the way to go! it does make you look bigger, too...and certainly less approachable, which works for me :)

i dont know how much 5BR activity there is for bold, BigV. what i get from EQ (veins, slight bloat, no libido impact, smallish strength gains, very few sides) is NOTHING like what i get from 1-T (huge strength gains, no libido, "hit by a train" lethargy, hairloss), so maybe you're right about it being a small amount.

another little update - i am going to push the envelope with this topical approach. i dropped the dutasteride last 2 days. libido increase was quick (i AM on a lot of test!), no itchies yet but i will monitor closely. we may have a winner here. i have my fingers crossed - i would love to get the full test feeling and effects, although i am a little worried about the aggression - my coworkers dont need that!

on a side note - if this works, i may choose later to eliminate my own DHT in a future cycle (considering it's not anabolic at all in skeletal muscle, and really rough on the scalp) in favor of something like primo which is...i guess i wont get the libido support, but then again my gf wont mind; i hit her up for it more than she wants as it is. just a thought - why risk it with lots of DHT when you can replace with an anabolic that will do more? although i may just go with my nandrolone/clostebol idea (will not produce much, if any, strong metabolites to impact the scalp as the clostebol doesnt reduce and the deca reduces to DHN which is super weak)....here's hoping it doesnt end up like tbol, which on paper should NOT hit hairlines (4-chloro should block 5A and 5B reduction, the latter of which should be the dominant, as discussed earlier with EQ), but has been shown to for a number of prone people.
 
Nomen said:
Let me get this right. I have heard that 5AR enzymes are located in diffrent parts off your body for example in your skin, skalp, prostate etc and does not circulated in your blood stream as testosterone does, right or wrong?

Lets say u produce 2000 hormones of testosterone and u have 100s of 5ARs in your scalp! 100 testo hormones will interact with 100 5ARs and convert too 100 DHT.

Then lets say u run a cycle and elevated your testo till 20000. Still with 100 5ARs in your head. Then i still get 100 hormones of DHT right ?
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no. more test generally means more DHT and more estrogen. actually i believe the DHT rise on cycle will be even greater proportionally than the test rise.

you have alot of 5AR enzymes in these tissues. many likely arent activated with normal hormone levels. if you flood them with test, you're going to get more DHT.
 
Yeah, the conversion happens so fast that the more test you supply the more DHT you'll get. I dont think 5AR can get saturated to the point where it stops working, at least with testosterone.

i dont know how much 5BR activity there is for bold, BigV. what i get from EQ (veins, slight bloat, no libido impact, smallish strength gains, very few sides) is NOTHING like what i get from 1-T (huge strength gains, no libido, "hit by a train" lethargy, hairloss), so maybe you're right about it being a small amount.
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Ive never run Boldenone before, but I think my next cycle (coming up pretty soon here), is going to be moderate dose of test base/bold base transdermal. I had thought about throwing some 1-test in the mix as well - but I dont want to risk it, even with the addition of finasteride and everything else I use. I think Ill keep my 1-test usage short and on the low side, with low doses of 4AD to combat sides. Ive run it like that with much sucess (like you said - big time strength gains) and no impact on the hairline.

BV
 
now this may be a dumb question but proviron is oral DHT correct? If that is true than it would be the worst of all to take if you have balding issues correct?
 
pistonpump said:
now this may be a dumb question but proviron is oral DHT correct? If that is true than it would be the worst of all to take if you have balding issues correct?
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it could be argued that either of the following are orally available DHT products:

mestanolone (17a-DHT aka MDHT aka oral masteron)
proviron (1-methyl-DHT)

and yeah, both are rough on hairlines for those that are prone.

truthfully, winny isnt far from oral DHT, either....neither is anavar for that matter. superdrol and anadrol are pretty close, also.
 
well i will see soon enough as i plan to use proviron I will watch hairline very closely. I just think it is an awesome addition to a test based cycle.
 
BigVrunga said:
Any side effects from the duta CED? That toppik looks interesting...I dont really need it at the moment but there are some 'trouble spots' on my head I thought about filling in with one of these type of products. Can you really run your hands through your hair and everything?


BV
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yep so far so good and a losing ~80% less hair in the shower too. On 700mg of prop too.

get toppik if your crown is slightly thin - it is amazing
 
get toppik if your crown is slightly thin - it is amazing
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Yeah, my front and crown are slightly thinner than the other parts of my hair in direct sunlight - I might give toppik a try. Thanks bro!

BV
 
I have been thinking of this with treatmeants, medications etc alot too much i guess... affecting me in a negative way(perhaps mentioned this before). Anyways I think that it would be intressting to know the main cause of why its so hard to figure out a proper treatmeant. Whats the biggest issue/obstacle to overcome before there can be a treatment? Is it such a advance process or perhaps not enough research is being done, I dont know but would like to! Though nowdays Ihave started to think that pharmacutial companies dont want to figure out a treatmeant because that would not benifit them. They would lose sales from lots of topicals, pills etc maybe even transplants? Whats our thoughts on that, its medical issue or not of intresset for pharmas?

Anyways seems to be some kind of process going on: Invalid Link Removed
 
Everything is simply not known about the complete cause of hair loss, yes they know DHT plays a major role, but if that were the only culprit you would probably have tons of people growing back full heads of hair just by using dutasteride.
 
Also for most people using only topicals, will likely not acheive the results they are after. If DHT is one of the main resons we lose hair, then what topicals are being used to block that? Azeliac Acid? All of the studies I`ve seen are in vitro, so it may not even truly work in humans...read all the heated debates on hair loss boards about it.

Yes there are some good topicals for DHT and general androgen blocking (Spiro, RU) but the half life is too short. Multiple applications would likely be necesary for good regrowth (more than two per day)...and that is just too much for most peple to deal with.

Using Duta or Finas is a must for adequate results, they are basically the only two products that offer some sort of round the clock protection.
 
Any ideas for me....
I swear its related to my medicine(synthroid) and how much I am on,I started last november, losing not only hair but scalp...it looks like a cradle cap(babies get it)....by december I GI janed my head I got sick of losing so much hair......It got better, and i dont know how, I did nothing different, I started to see a Derm, he had me on i say 7 different creams, shampoos, etc......

It started up again about 2 months ago, all my new hair has gone again, and i am thinking of GI jane again....depressing as hell......

I know it has to do with the cradle cap, any ideas what my body is lacking or producing so much of to cause it???

I have a appt with the University derms(a clinical testing at rhode island hospital) but not till Nov 13th?....If i wait I will be bald, I cry when I brush my hair as its coming out in clumps.......

thoughts before I shave it??
 
Toughchick, that sounds like psoriasis - oil can help with that like with cradle cap. Invalid Link Removed

Emu oil may be good for the scalp - as could the laser light brush.

I have the same kind of thing - but I realized in my case it is seborrheic dermatitis, which even my doctor could not figure out. Just keep chasing it, do not give up.
 
xxtruxx1 said:
Anyone know what could be done to combat hairloss due to Letrozole?
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never heard of that...i would suspect it's caused by increased test, in which case any 5AR inhibition (systemic or topical) will help.
 
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never heard of that...i would suspect it's caused by increased test, in which case any 5AR inhibition (systemic or topical) will help.
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I remember reading somewhere on this board that Letro was harsh on the hairline. I've been on it for a while now (to get rid of some gyno then stayed on to prep before a Prop/Tren cycle) & noticed increased shedding. I have been wearing hats more lately but even then, the shedding was above normal.
 
As u said earlier same_old DHT is not very anabolic though its very androgen. This is because of its very good capability of binding to androgenetic receptors, about 30times better then testosterone! So why does it lack anabolic properties? I have heard that within skeltal muscel tissue theirs an enzyme called 3a-HSD that decompose/(converts?) DHT to 5alpha-androstan-3a,17b-diol?

Could 3a-HSD be a substituet for finastride?
 
Nomen said:
As u said earlier same_old DHT is not very anabolic though its very androgen. This is because of its very good capability of binding to androgenetic receptors, about 30times better then testosterone! So why does it lack anabolic properties? I have heard that within skeltal muscel tissue theirs an enzyme called 3a-HSD that decompose/(converts?) DHT to 5alpha-androstan-3a,17b-diol?

Could 3a-HSD be a substituet for finastride?
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what are you suggesting the advantage would be?

i havent heard of 3a-HSD since the M5AA PH days...i believe they claimed it would be converted to MDHT using that enzyme. M5AA certainly made my head itch, i can tell you that. i dont know what an excess of it would do, though....
 
I am currently looking into a mtrn cutting cycle and I've read that tren can induce hair loss, now I havent heard of anyone losing hair on mtrn I want to keep my hair. I also read that fina doesn't prevent hair loss from tren and that a topical solution would be needed.

I was curious if I should use spiro or nizoral and if one of them would be sufficient to ward off any possible hair loss. Also, what % solution I should get.
Reps for your help, thanks.
 
sogone2day said:
I just noticeD costco sells a 2% minoxidil regrowth formula.
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it's legit too, I saw one guy with unreal results from just costco's minoxidil and 1mg of Finasteride/ED
 
McBurly said:
I am currently looking into a mtrn cutting cycle and I've read that tren can induce hair loss, now I havent heard of anyone losing hair on mtrn I want to keep my hair. I also read that fina doesn't prevent hair loss from tren and that a topical solution would be needed.

I was curious if I should use spiro or nizoral and if one of them would be sufficient to ward off any possible hair loss. Also, what % solution I should get.
Reps for your help, thanks.
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Tren ate on my hair like you wouldn't believe, thankfully I've grown it back. As for Spiro and Nizoral, it varies per person.. but don't count on it man...

It depends on your goals but if you are looking to get cut-up run a moderate dose of test with an AI - you'll have to do cardio but honestly you will get those Tren-like results. That's my opinion, I seeming to be doing it as we speak. The only thing different is no hairloss but not as much strength.
 
i've been on M-TRN for 2 weeks and nothing to speak of in the way of hairloss...and i am prone, but using fluridil solo.

sidenote - for a few days i used WSHCP's topical spiro cream and noticed an almost immediate drop in muscle fullness and libido. needless to say i dropped it and have been using the fluridil only, applied throughout the day. seems to be working fine.
 
CEDeoudes59 said:
Tren ate on my hair like you wouldn't believe, thankfully I've grown it back. As for Spiro and Nizoral, it varies per person.. but don't count on it man...

It depends on your goals but if you are looking to get cut-up run a moderate dose of test with an AI - you'll have to do cardio but honestly you will get those Tren-like results. That's my opinion, I seeming to be doing it as we speak. The only thing different is no hairloss but not as much strength.
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Would throwing some topical 4ad be sufficient instead of test?
 
It depends on your goals but if you are looking to get cut-up run a moderate dose of test with an AI - you'll have to do cardio but honestly you will get those Tren-like results. That's my opinion, I seeming to be doing it as we speak. The only thing different is no hairloss but not as much strength.
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Good advice for the MPB challenged CED. I plan to do this myself shortly - been cutting too long but dont want to stop until Im ~7%. A moderate dose of test, Aromasin, and Finasteride should be a great way to recomp while that last bit of fat comes off.

BV
 
same_old said:
what are you suggesting the advantage would be?

i havent heard of 3a-HSD since the M5AA PH days...i believe they claimed it would be converted to MDHT using that enzyme. M5AA certainly made my head itch, i can tell you that. i dont know what an excess of it would do, though....
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At least what I have heard the hormone thats formed from the enzyme 3a-HSD is suppose the be lot more nonandrogenic then DHT! Iam not sure its "converted" as u said!


Skeletal muscle is unique from other androgen dependent tissues in the body. It actually contains little or no 5-AR, so little or no DHT is actually formed in the muscle. In addition to this, any DHT that is formed, or that is already present in the blood and travels to the muscle, is quickly deactivated by an enzyme called 3alpha-hydroxysteroid reductase (3a-HSD)
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Good read on DHT, quote from this site aswell: Invalid Link Removed

My suggestion is: If u had 3a-HSD enzymes in your scalp their would be less DHT binds to androgen receptors because they would be deactivated! Sort of the same function as finastride though it prevents DHT in another phase! Ofcourse this assumes that the enzymed formed is softer for the scalp then DHT!
 
Nomen said:
At least what I have heard the hormone thats formed from the enzyme 3a-HSD is suppose the be lot more nonandrogenic then DHT! Iam not sure its "converted" as u said!

Good read on DHT, quote from this site aswell: Invalid Link Removed

My suggestion is: If u had 3a-HSD enzymes in your scalp their would be less DHT binds to androgen receptors because they would be deactivated! Sort of the same function as finastride though it prevents DHT in another phase! Ofcourse this assumes that the enzymed formed is softer for the scalp then DHT!
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so again, what is it that you suggest 3a-HSD would do that finasteride doesnt?

DHT's role in genital health alone is enough to make me work VERY hard to avoid suppressing it systemically.

did i mention my balls grew back to pre-cycle levels when i dropped the dutasteride? now that's just odd....libido is obviously much stronger, too, to the detriment of my GF. :bruce1:
 
Ive been using WWHP finasteride, which isnt a very accurate dose due to the eye dropper for measurement. I discontinued use about a month ago and my libido and ejaculate volume skyrocketed. I plan to try using it again, but only if I can get an exact dose which is why im getting a script for it next week.

Honestly, if finasteride messes with my sex drive I just wont use it - regardless of whether I need it to save my hairline. Id rather be a bald sex fiend than a hairy shlub :D

BV
 
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